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IF ISRAEL WANTS BILLIONS IN US FORIEGN AID AND HELP IN FIGHTING ALL OF HER MANY ENEMIES IN WAR...

 
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IF ISRAEL WANTS BILLIONS IN US FORIEGN AID AND HELP IN FIGHTING ALL OF HER MANY ENEMIES IN WAR...
IS IT TOO MUCH TO ASK THAT SHE REFRAIN FROM SHOOTING AMERICANS IN THE HEAD?



JUST SAYING...




wtf
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Hasn't America EARNED the right to protest or criticize you just a little?

Haven't we supported your silly ass for long enough to expect more?

Haven't we given enough for that right?

How much is enough?
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If the US pulled all their funding and let Israel truly be Israel Lebanon, Palestine, Jordan and Syria would be wiped out. Egypt would not be far behind and Iran would up Israel's little ass and that would get real nasty.

The US money has given the US the power to tell Israel to chill, time and time again.

I say stop the funding so all the haters will understand what Israel really is. I imagine it will only make them hate Israel, but then we can be done with all this bullshit.
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For the record, I am down with RP and say the US pulling all foreign funding. Don't force the taxpayers give money for reason they may or may not agree with it. Let them give through charity or special interest groups.
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I think it is naive to believe that Israel has any real power over the US, unless the US chooses it that way.

My thinking on this is, that America is Israel's strongest ally for a reason. And that reason is very likely to be so that America can maintain a foothold in the ME region. Maybe to help secure the oil there.

After all, Russian and some other nations have their eyes firmly set on the region...probably for the same reason. And America uses it's allegiance to Israel to counter this threat, as much as possible.


Israel is also a very good customer of the US defence industry (as are many other nations).

Yes, I firmly believe that America chooses to be such a strong ally to Israel because there is something in it for them.

They are not 'being held over a barrel' by Israel. (forgive the pun).
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If the US pulled all their funding and let Israel truly be Israel Lebanon, Palestine, Jordan and Syria would be wiped out. Egypt would not be far behind and Iran would up Israel's little ass and that would get real nasty.

The US money has given the US the power to tell Israel to chill, time and time again.

I say stop the funding so all the haters will understand what Israel really is. I imagine it will only make them hate Israel, but then we can be done with all this bullshit.
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Are you trying to say that Israel is putting on a "nice guy act" because they want American money to keep piling in?

Fuck.

If this is the nice guy...(shooting people in the head for protesting, running women over with bulldozers etc...)...than I hate to see Israel with no reason to "play nice".

Ugly, ugly, evil little country.
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I think it is naive to believe that Israel has any real power over the US, unless the US chooses it that way.

My thinking on this is, that America is Israel's strongest ally for a reason. And that reason is very likely to be so that America can maintain a foothold in the ME region. Maybe to help secure the oil there.

After all, Russian and some other nations have their eyes firmly set on the region...probably for the same reason. And America uses it's allegiance to Israel to counter this threat, as much as possible.


Israel is also a very good customer of the US defence industry (as are many other nations).

Yes, I firmly believe that America chooses to be such a strong ally to Israel because there is something in it for them.

They are not 'being held over a barrel' by Israel. (forgive the pun).
 Quoting: Lens Flare




bsflag


Your arguement is basically that Israel is America's PROXY in the middle east, that through Israel America keeps it's interest in oil and such...

However the PROXY is the one that does the WORK, not the other way around...

THE PROXY is supposed to TAKE THE RISK, therefore shielding the other country from harm and doing it's bidding in a way that no one suspects the original country and blames the PROXY.

Yet ISrael is, and has been SITTING ON IT'S ASS, while America takes the beating in all of these resourse supplying countries.

Israel sits while America pays money and blood for oil to be diverted from Iraq to...ISRAEL???




Eventually you have to seriously ask yourself...



WHO IS ACTING LIKE THE PROXY HERE???
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If the US pulled all their funding and let Israel truly be Israel Lebanon, Palestine, Jordan and Syria would be wiped out. Egypt would not be far behind and Iran would up Israel's little ass and that would get real nasty.

The US money has given the US the power to tell Israel to chill, time and time again.

I say stop the funding so all the haters will understand what Israel really is. I imagine it will only make them hate Israel, but then we can be done with all this bullshit.



Are you trying to say that Israel is putting on a "nice guy act" because they want American money to keep piling in?

Fuck.

If this is the nice guy...(shooting people in the head for protesting, running women over with bulldozers etc...)...than I hate to see Israel with no reason to "play nice".

Ugly, ugly, evil little country.
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Seriously?!

Somehow only Israel sucks, which they do, but everyone else are freakin saints? If not saints they are pretty, big countries?
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I think it is naive to believe that Israel has any real power over the US, unless the US chooses it that way.

My thinking on this is, that America is Israel's strongest ally for a reason. And that reason is very likely to be so that America can maintain a foothold in the ME region. Maybe to help secure the oil there.

After all, Russian and some other nations have their eyes firmly set on the region...probably for the same reason. And America uses it's allegiance to Israel to counter this threat, as much as possible.


Israel is also a very good customer of the US defence industry (as are many other nations).

Yes, I firmly believe that America chooses to be such a strong ally to Israel because there is something in it for them.

They are not 'being held over a barrel' by Israel. (forgive the pun).




bsflag


Your arguement is basically that Israel is America's PROXY in the middle east, that through Israel America keeps it's interest in oil and such...

However the PROXY is the one that does the WORK, not the other way around...

THE PROXY is supposed to TAKE THE RISK, therefore shielding the other country from harm and doing it's bidding in a way that no one suspects the original country and blames the PROXY.

Yet ISrael is, and has been SITTING ON IT'S ASS, while America takes the beating in all of these resourse supplying countries.

Israel sits while America pays money and blood for oil to be diverted from Iraq to...ISRAEL???




Eventually you have to seriously ask yourself...



WHO IS ACTING LIKE THE PROXY HERE???
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 753177


No, I'm afraid I still have to disagree with you. I still think that the reason comes down to something as simple as this: Oil wealth.


And yes, Israel is a kind of proxy for the US, just as Iran is being used as a kind of proxy for Russia.

Two Superpowers vying for control of a very small region. Why?


In my understanding of history, nations only go to war (conquest), for one of two reasons:

Economic (resources), or religious.

So for a start, I don't really buy into all the 'America supports Israel because America believes that Israel are God's chosen people' line.

And what of Russia (atheistic)? Why are they also jostling for control of the ME?


I maintain that it's for the vast wealth to be had there.

Each side has a vested interest in gaining control of the region.

Geopolitics.

Simplistic, I know. But each Superpower is using it's 'pawns' to gain control of the vast wealth there.


Disclaimer: I may be proved wrong, though...
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Re: IF ISRAEL WANTS BILLIONS IN US FORIEGN AID AND HELP IN FIGHTING ALL OF HER MANY ENEMIES IN WAR...
IS IT TOO MUCH TO ASK THAT SHE REFRAIN FROM SHOOTING AMERICANS IN THE HEAD?



JUST SAYING...




wtf
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SHE??
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No, I'm afraid I still have to disagree with you. I still think that the reason comes down to something as simple as this: Oil wealth.


And yes, Israel is a kind of proxy for the US, just as Iran is being used as a kind of proxy for Russia.

Two Superpowers vying for control of a very small region. Why?


In my understanding of history, nations only go to war (conquest), for one of two reasons:

Economic (resources), or religious.

So for a start, I don't really buy into all the 'America supports Israel because America believes that Israel are God's chosen people' line.

And what of Russia (atheistic)? Why are they also jostling for control of the ME?


I maintain that it's for the vast wealth to be had there.

Each side has a vested interest in gaining control of the region.

Geopolitics.

Simplistic, I know. But each Superpower is using it's 'pawns' to gain control of the vast wealth there.


Disclaimer: I may be proved wrong, though...
 Quoting: Lens Flare



You don't seem to understand what a proxy is, and what it does for the country that uses it...

A proxy is the one that GOES TO WAR, Israel is not at war for this oil, yet the oil is going to come to Tel Aviv anyway, through the efforts of America.

So who is the proxy, and who is the dominant country that reaps the benefit of the proxies effort?

The whole point of a proxy is so that you don't have to get your hands dirty.

So far the US has bumped off 2 of Israels enemies, and Israel has not gotten her hands dirty at all.

Soon, Iran will make three.

And again, Israel will find a way for it's proxy to do the dirty work...

Again Israel will benefit, and do no work, it will achieve it's goal, have it's enemy defeated, and it will not lift a finger.

This is the whole reason to have a proxy county in the first place.

If Israel is America's proxy, than it is a pretty shitty proxy, it does nothing but cost America money, and get it entangled in foreign wars that do not benefit America.

There is a proxy situation going on here, you are just looking at it backwards.

Have an open mind and consider what I'm saying and things will make a lot more sense.
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No, I'm afraid I still have to disagree with you. I still think that the reason comes down to something as simple as this: Oil wealth.


And yes, Israel is a kind of proxy for the US, just as Iran is being used as a kind of proxy for Russia.

Two Superpowers vying for control of a very small region. Why?


In my understanding of history, nations only go to war (conquest), for one of two reasons:

Economic (resources), or religious.

So for a start, I don't really buy into all the 'America supports Israel because America believes that Israel are God's chosen people' line.

And what of Russia (atheistic)? Why are they also jostling for control of the ME?


I maintain that it's for the vast wealth to be had there.

Each side has a vested interest in gaining control of the region.

Geopolitics.

Simplistic, I know. But each Superpower is using it's 'pawns' to gain control of the vast wealth there.


Disclaimer: I may be proved wrong, though...



You don't seem to understand what a proxy is, and what it does for the country that uses it...

A proxy is the one that GOES TO WAR, Israel is not at war for this oil, yet the oil is going to come to Tel Aviv anyway, through the efforts of America.

So who is the proxy, and who is the dominant country that reaps the benefit of the proxies effort?

The whole point of a proxy is so that you don't have to get your hands dirty.

So far the US has bumped off 2 of Israels enemies, and Israel has not gotten her hands dirty at all.

Soon, Iran will make three.

And again, Israel will find a way for it's proxy to do the dirty work...

Again Israel will benefit, and do no work, it will achieve it's goal, have it's enemy defeated, and it will not lift a finger.

This is the whole reason to have a proxy county in the first place.

If Israel is America's proxy, than it is a pretty shitty proxy, it does nothing but cost America money, and get it entangled in foreign wars that do not benefit America.

There is a proxy situation going on here, you are just looking at it backwards.

Have an open mind and consider what I'm saying and things will make a lot more sense.
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I do understand where you are coming from with this. But it still doesn't altogether make sense entirely...and why?


Because it is the 'big boys' that call the shots. Not the little ones.

So again I put it to you....why are two Superpower sides wrestling for control of the same small (but very wealthy) region? And bear in mind that that is a fact....


Now, if what you say is true, that America is Israel's proxy.....would that also mean that Russia is the proxy of Iran...or Syria....since Russia arms them and provides aid to those nations?

No, it don't make sense when you boil it down to it's simplest common denominator.

As I see it, the two 'big boys'...Russia and America, desperately want control of that region. And they have chosen their respective sides to fund in order to try and accomplish that.

The simple and most obvious reasons are often the best. And the most accurate, I think.


So it's more likely that America is using Israel (a pro-Western democracy), to get a foot in the door...just as Russia uses her allies in the region, for the same thing. Rather than it being the other way round.


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