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On going back to the Moon, why would we even bother?

 
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Sticking nuclear power on the moon....why? There is no air there, we can't breathe there, so why even bother to go there at all? Space defense? Dominating everything, trying to beat other nations going there, to build on the moon, seems like the only reason we would go there, would be to get there and do it first, before anyone else can. That way, the US owns it, cause they did it first?

I don't understand any logical reason we would go back to the moon, there is nothing there.
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I'm a whitey and fully agree..

Whitey on the moon
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Don't worry, NASA & the US haven't even been there a first time.

As for a belief in NASA's capabilities -- well, I admit to not giving it much thought. I concentrate on whether what NASA claims to have built and done could be built and done in that way without violating physics as we know it, standard engineering practice, or logic.

Another way of saying it is, I don't know they did it, but I know if anyone did what they said they did, it would work the way they said it would work.

This is important because the vast majority of Apollo Deniers insist that basic science is being violated all over the place. Since these apparent violations occur not in NASA's descriptions, but in the naive assumptions of the deniers, it provides a useful excuse to teach good science.

I am confident few Apollo Deniers will ever change their opinions. But at least they might come out of the discussion knowing a little more than they did about the world around them.
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The whole purpose that NASA was established, was to make the 'science' believable in the eyes of the world. That was one of NASA's set purposes from 1958. The other purpose working within that supposed believable science,(as far as the world was taught) was to make the simulations and following 'official science' to look as believable as possible.

The Apollo missions were all an intricately constructed work of fiction, in every conceivable way.

Some of the main arguments are over the truth of the 'official science' that NASA teaches as the reality of outer space.

Dangers from the Van Allen Radiation Belts, cosmic & solar radiation in deep space beyond these belts. The radiation levels on the Moon.

Micro-meteorites and larger medium sized meteors in space, and also hitting the Moons surface.

The true temperature extremes of extremely high and extremely low temp differences on the Moon. Also whether the astronauts had the capabilities to survive in those temp extremes with the backpack technology they supposedly possessed.

Other factors dealing with human biology and its proper functioning in space and on the Moon. Can humans survive away from the electro-magnetic influences of the Earth on their physical & mental/spiritual functions.

The effects of micro-gravity of space flight on proper human functioning. Also the effects of lighter gravity(supposedly the Moons 1/6 gravity) on the proper functioning of human biology.

As the Russian space officials have also stated, there are also very many unknowns and dangers of space/deep space fight that may never, and can never be known about; Or even to begin to be discussed in any useful way, as to overcoming these unknown problems.
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I'm a whitey and fully agree..

Whitey on the moon

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wow, that was a hellova video....
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Don't worry, NASA & the US haven't even been there a first time.


As for a belief in NASA's capabilities -- well, I admit to not giving it much thought. I concentrate on whether what NASA claims to have built and done could be built and done in that way without violating physics as we know it, standard engineering practice, or logic.

Another way of saying it is, I don't know they did it, but I know if anyone did what they said they did, it would work the way they said it would work.

This is important because the vast majority of Apollo Deniers insist that basic science is being violated all over the place. Since these apparent violations occur not in NASA's descriptions, but in the naive assumptions of the deniers, it provides a useful excuse to teach good science.

I am confident few Apollo Deniers will ever change their opinions. But at least they might come out of the discussion knowing a little more than they did about the world around them.


The whole purpose that NASA was established, was to make the 'science' believable in the eyes of the world. That was one of NASA's set purposes from 1958. The other purpose working within that supposed believable science,(as far as the world was taught) was to make the simulations and following 'official science' to look as believable as possible.

The Apollo missions were all an intricately constructed work of fiction, in every conceivable way.

Some of the main arguments are over the truth of the 'official science' that NASA teaches as the reality of outer space.

Dangers from the Van Allen Radiation Belts, cosmic & solar radiation in deep space beyond these belts. The radiation levels on the Moon.

Micro-meteorites and larger medium sized meteors in space, and also hitting the Moons surface.

The true temperature extremes of extremely high and extremely low temp differences on the Moon. Also whether the astronauts had the capabilities to survive in those temp extremes with the backpack technology they supposedly possessed.

Other factors dealing with human biology and its proper functioning in space and on the Moon. Can humans survive away from the electro-magnetic influences of the Earth on their physical & mental/spiritual functions.

The effects of micro-gravity of space flight on proper human functioning. Also the effects of lighter gravity(supposedly the Moons 1/6 gravity) on the proper functioning of human biology.

As the Russian space officials have also stated, there are also very many unknowns and dangers of space/deep space fight that may never, and can never be known about; Or even to begin to be discussed in any useful way, as to overcoming these unknown problems.
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It just seems like such a collosal waste of time to be going into space. When people are starving and dying and can't afford basic necessities to even live life comfortably, the cost of food, gas, health care....yet here we are going to the moon and beyond. Who's obsession is it, really? The will of the people? No, we all stand and cheer and send up balloons and celebrate, because we can't accept that earth is the only inhabitable planet in our solar system. Maybe we think that the only way mankind will survive is to escape this rock....the moon is not inhabitable, Mars, is not inhabitable, and if we could terraform Mars, it would take so long and before we could reap the benefits mankind would have made itself extinct long before that...

So, what's the point of deluding ourselves into thinking we are going to survive this? All life exists, and all life lives, and all life dies. As earth will one day simply die.

Life is temporary. Why don't we try to make the ride as pleasant as possible for all mankind while we are here for this fleeting time on earth.

And accept our fate.
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Uh, how about the element helium 3?

Sometimes some of you rattle off these truly worthless opinions based on absolutely nothing.

Maybe study a little chemistry and planetology first?
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i guess they know something we don't
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Don't worry, NASA & the US haven't even been there a first time.
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Sorry, sad but yes they have spent huge resources on winning, but isn't that what life is about?
Or maybe it's appreciation..And smart people are not that intelligent..




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It just seems like such a collosal waste of time to be going into space. When people are starving and dying and can't afford basic necessities to even live life comfortably, the cost of food, gas, health care....yet here we are going to the moon and beyond. Who's obsession is it, really? The will of the people? No, we all stand and cheer and send up balloons and celebrate, because we can't accept that earth is the only inhabitable planet in our solar system. Maybe we think that the only way mankind will survive is to escape this rock....the moon is not inhabitable, Mars, is not inhabitable, and if we could terraform Mars, it would take so long and before we could reap the benefits mankind would have made itself extinct long before that...

So, what's the point of deluding ourselves into thinking we are going to survive this? All life exists, and all life lives, and all life dies. As earth will one day simply die.

Life is temporary. Why don't we try to make the ride as pleasant as possible for all mankind while we are here for this fleeting time on earth.

And accept our fate.
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Maybe due to the fact the mass of Humanity is vain and afraid, it creates a delusional state of mind.
Goes well back to people slaughtering children to win favor with the sun God, same problem and obviose to Humanity now.
As one day it will be obviouse what you are saying will be obvious to most down the track.
Truth will get there heads off the moon, hands of there sun spots and into living..
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The whole purpose that NASA was established...
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It just seems like such a collosal waste of time to be going into space. When people are starving and dying and can't afford basic necessities to even live life comfortably
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NASA's annual budget = 18 billion dollars.

Annual sales of beer = 190 billion dollars.
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Sticking nuclear power on the moon....why? There is no air there, we can't breathe there, so why even bother to go there at all? Space defense? Dominating everything, trying to beat other nations going there, to build on the moon, seems like the only reason we would go there, would be to get there and do it first, before anyone else can. That way, the US owns it, cause they did it first?

I don't understand any logical reason we would go back to the moon, there is nothing there.
 Quoting: ~~**Nightfall**~~


Because if we are ever going to get off this planet and out of this solar system we must first take baby steps.

We Humans are blessed to be part of a double planet system. It affords us with so much, including the very best advantage toward reaching for the stars.

The Moon is a treasure chest of minerals and metals that if we exploit will provide us with more material than all of the material we have every mined from earth - and that is just in the first 100 feet of lunar crust.

Not only does it provide us with metals and minerals in such abundance and nearly just laying around, the moon's slow rotation (a very long lunar day) means that if solar power is going to be used anywhere - the moon is the most ideal place. 3 stations set at three equally distant points along the equator would get cloudless days of about 27 days long, this means that two stations would be bathed in solar radiation at a time.

There is energy and mineral wealth - more than enough to get us to Mars and even beyond.
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Sticking nuclear power on the moon....why? There is no air there, we can't breathe there, so why even bother to go there at all? Space defense? Dominating everything, trying to beat other nations going there, to build on the moon, seems like the only reason we would go there, would be to get there and do it first, before anyone else can. That way, the US owns it, cause they did it first?

I don't understand any logical reason we would go back to the moon, there is nothing there.
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Because of the ancient and advanced alien technology left on the moon.

Clemintine, 1994, picked up massive giants on the moon, not good.

We`ll know about October 9, 2009 if they left.

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