NASA DUMB or NASA FRAUD?

People who ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE PHOTOS--

unlike YOU--

actually see human society.

But you're not looking and not seeing

is your prerogative.

Say what you will; nobody is going to believe you.

You're a crank, whiner and stalker.

Scram.

Emily, you have made claims you can't support, you are clearly scientifically illiterate, and quite possibly utterly insane.

Don't like the facts? Go suck it, you senile old bat.

Insanity is relative, and can only be judged from a specific perspective.From the perspective of 'normal' people I am undoubtably seen as a bit 'off', but then I never claimed to be or desired to be normal in a world where normal means conforming obediently and accepting what I am told without question. From my perspective the two of you seem to be a bit crazy, but then alot of people probably think I am for believing in intelligent design and a creator.



You are not seen as "off," you are seen by people with triple digit IQs as an object of humor.

They are NOT laughing with you, sparky.

Not since the 19th century. Majority of ideas since 1860 proved correct but incomplete. Majority of ideas since 1940 proved correct to within the contemporary error of measurement. The number of well-established theories that have been completely overturned is small.

Maybe, and it's a useless gesture to bet what will happen in the future when niether of us are still living, but I am convinced that in 200 years the majority of what is accepted as scientific fact will be the subject of ridicule just like most of what ao called scientists thought 200 years ago is now. What you've said essentially is that ideas postulated since 1940 have escaped exposure as false simply because there isn't sufficient knowledge gained in 69 years to disprove what was postulated 69 years ago. This does not mean that the world of scientific inquirey has advanced to the point where it is infalible.

Remember, at one time most of the world believed the world was flat and it was people just like me that insisted it wasn't. You can think of what I go through on science forums as a modern day inquisition, the religion being mainstream science. And make no mistake, mainstream science is a faith based religion that's main objective is denial of a creator and intelligent design. To me that is the most illogical of mainstream scientific faith based assunptions.

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This one is strange all over the place, with shadows of what look to be buildings on the horizon and somebody near the little girl grappling with some sort of furry thing (with its feet stuck straight up in the air ... ???)

Really odd. The little girl is the only really recognizable human, and she's a cute little blonde playing in what looks like it must be a mud puddle.

Some of these are hard to figure out.

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What I see is people walking around -- not indicators of desolation.

I see canals, a statue, upright human figures at great distances.

You will see what you expect.

Maybe, and it's a useless gesture to bet what will happen in the future when niether of us are still living, but I am convinced that in 200 years the majority of what is accepted as scientific fact will be the subject of ridicule just like most of what ao called scientists thought 200 years ago is now. What you've said essentially is that ideas postulated since 1940 have escaped exposure as false simply because there isn't sufficient knowledge gained in 69 years to disprove what was postulated 69 years ago. This does not mean that the world of scientific inquirey has advanced to the point where it is infalible.

Remember, at one time most of the world believed the world was flat and it was people just like me that insisted it wasn't. You can think of what I go through on science forums as a modern day inquisition, the religion being mainstream science. And make no mistake, mainstream science is a faith based religion that's main objective is denial of a creator and intelligent design. To me that is the most illogical of mainstream scientific faith based assunptions.


Well, the flat-earth story is a myth. There was never a time in which whatever passed closest to the scientific establishment believed it so. The ancient Greeks figured out a round Earth and even measured the diameter. By the time of Columbus, of course -- well, let's just say Columbus got his math wrong and if there hadn't been The Americas in the way he and his crew would have perished -- exactly as the Sicilian Court and every other educated person predicted.

Actually, though, as Isaac Asimov points out in a (as usual) delightful essay, a theory of a flat Earth is not actually wrong. If you are building a house or leveling a road, you use exactly that assumption. It requires either a larger area, or a need for increased accuracy, before you need to move from the plane. For instance, a survey of the plot this building rests on does not need to account for curvature. A shot I make with a rifle does not need to account for curvature. Even a street map of my entire town does not need to account for curvature. But a survey-level map of the town would, as would gunnery that extended similar distances (say, naval guns firing at a target five miles inland).

The theory of a flat Earth is, then, correct for certain tasks. It is also provable within the error of measurement; until you get out on open water, the effects of local terrain swamp the gentle curvature of the Earth. So it isn't wrong, per se; it is incomplete. And it is wrong out of domain; a flat Earth doesn't work AT ALL for most astronomy.

(Asimov also points out that "round Earth" is in itself a simplification; close enough for most tasks, like charting a great circle route for an airliner, but inaccurate enough to cause problems with something requiring a finer calculation, such as the GPS network. As he puts it, the round-Earth theory is ALSO not wrong, but it is ALSO incomplete.)


And this is how I think the next advance in physics will be. I think the history of physics, by the way, is too short and too wrapped up with the history of Renaissance-Enlightenment-Industrial Revolution to allow any sort of prediction or graphing. I don't think you can say "It will be 'n' number of years between major advances in physics."

In any case, whatever it is will do three things;

A) It will achieve a higher level of accuracy in modeling. Where it will show up in experiments already performed is in the border of what is currently seen as noise. New experiments will have to be devised with higher levels of accuracy to test the new theory.

B) It will connect theories currently un-connected; it will show some underlying and general principle beneath other principles we already understand.

C) It will describe an entire domain we have not previously described.

What it is unlikely to do is show that, say, Ideal Gas Law, or Wein's Law, is wrong; it will merely show them as incomplete; that outside of the domain in which we have been using those laws and holding up their results to reality for hundreds of years, behavior of real systems diverge from those earlier approximations.

Emily, you have made claims you can't support, you are clearly scientifically illiterate, and quite possibly utterly insane.

Don't like the facts? Go suck it, you senile old bat.

Insanity is relative, and can only be judged from a specific perspective.From the perspective of 'normal' people I am undoubtably seen as a bit 'off', but then I never claimed to be or desired to be normal in a world where normal means conforming obediently and accepting what I am told without question. From my perspective the two of you seem to be a bit crazy, but then alot of people probably think I am for believing in intelligent design and a creator.



You are not seen as "off," you are seen by people with triple digit IQs as an object of humor.

They are NOT laughing with you, sparky.

I've heard this repeatedly from so called 'higher intellects'. I'll make the same challenge to you that I did to them, I will bet you whatever you can afford to lose over $10,000.oo that your iq is at least 40 points lower than my own and agree to meet me in Vegas where the bet can be legally adminsitered and documented. Before you say this challenge is hollow, keep in mind I am very serious and see it as an easy way to make 10 grand. The difference between a 110 IQ and a 156 IQ is more frequently than not the cause of our confusion and laughter. People in your IQ range [@110] tend to accept what they hear and ridicule anything that upsets their own limited frame of knowledge and ability to reach independant conclusions. Put your money where your mouth is, I want to go to Vegas again anyway.

There IS an outline around the girl.

And I don't BELIEVE you don't see her.

You have to be deeeeeep in De Nile not to see her.


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Nomuse, how the hell do you have the time to write so many words that nobody reads and even fewer care about? I read what you said out the same type of curiousity that makes people look at a car accident or a plane crash, and out of a sense of guilt knowing no one else would read it and the fact that I inspired you to take the time to respond. I used the flat Earth and the inquisition as a simile [or is it metaphor, I always get those two confused!] for my own plight', I know you are aware of that terminology and it's meaning.

Blah blah blah

People can see what there is and make up their own minds without the help of professional shills.

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This one is strange all over the place, with shadows of what look to be buildings on the horizon and somebody near the little girl grappling with some sort of furry thing (with its feet stuck straight up in the air ... ???)

Really odd. The little girl is the only really recognizable human, and she's a cute little blonde playing in what looks like it must be a mud puddle.

Some of these are hard to figure out.

Blah blah blah

People can see what there is and make up their own minds without the help of professional shills.




You mean someone PAYS you for the shit you post? Amazing!

Blah blah blah

People can see what there is and make up their own minds without the help of professional shills.




You mean someone PAYS you for the shit you post? Amazing!



Maybe it's like the bagpipe player...

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Blah blah blah

People can see what there is and make up their own minds without the help of professional shills.

Does the word apophenia mean anything to you?

I might ask you the same. I know you are well aware that the majority of people who read your posts, including essential all of your supporters, can't follow or don't bother making the effort. You supporters are merely attracted to the central emotional ideas; you would have exactly as much support from them if you said "NASA stinks!" and made no attempt to justify it.

Oddly enough, it appears that your best and most careful readers are those who disagree with you! People like me; who make an effort to understand what you say, and who follow your references and check your work.

I was a Xerox trainer at their Leesburg, Virginia training facility.

DOESN'T MATTER.

I can IDENTIFY a photo which has been MISHANDLED.

That's all we have to prove: incompetence in the photo processing department.

THAT shows the intention to deceive.

All the other sciences are irrelevant.