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Health care - you no longer have a say or control over your HC INSIST ON 2ND OPINION!!! Its Your Right

i began noticing the changes in 2007 when they merged medical records/nationalized.

i have fought the system every step of the way. the purpose of this thread is to inform all of you to be watchful of your medical care.

if the ovomitcare passes you will have no control whatsoever.

1. 2007: my son complained his rib hurt. took him to our dr. they thought it was an injurydue to ice hockey. took xrays showed nothing. few days later - 4th of July son goes to hershey med. fever. they say its pneumonia. rx for antibiotics sent him home. son isnt better. back to primary care physician. says kid dont have pneumonia still says its injured rib. back to hershey med er. er doc admits son. 19 days later - they lost 2 lung specimens, sons in coma high fever 105*, theyre doing nothing. i call my dr. he has no privilidges at HMC. tells me to remove him AMA (against medical advice) and bring him to a harrisburg hosp where he does have privileges . hershey peds dr and i lock horns bc ER doc said he could help me get a lung tap to see what kind of pneumonia hes got and they could treat accordingly. peds doc accuses me of being an unfit mother for wanting to tap lung. i pulled a memorex commercial on the guy...bitched his ass out, told him he was fired, to take his intern entourage out of my sons room or i would make a new elevator shaft where he was standing. i go to hosp admin. demand another dr be brought in. as in second opinion. patient bill of rights - hershey med MUST APPROVE ALL SECOND OPINIONS.......federal bill of rights days im entitled but HMC must approve????? they refused me, even at my expense. they claimed they didn't have another peds dr in rotation. i said is pay out of pocket. they refused. hosp admin hands me like 30 gift cards to cafeteria/gift shop as some consolation prize...insulting my intelligence....i handed them off to the parents in ronlad mcdonald house. * i gave them 24 hours to help my son or i was removing him. they threatened to call the welfare on me. i called my dr. he said get the kid out - and he would back me. HMC had 24 hours per my threat. hosp admin did agree. 24 hours later i remove my son. radiologist does find lesions on his outside lower lobe, but i was done. son was removed. my dr treated him appropriately and he was fine a few days later.

2. my daughter who is 18 had annual pap smear in jan. comes back HPV positive. nurse demands she be brought in for gardisil shot. i refuse. i demand second test. im denied. they cite my insurance will only cover one - and their lab. i cite im entitled to 2nd test, at a diff lab...and ill pay out of pocket. im still denied.nurse told me my daughter had to get shot. i said respectfully fuck you - the alternative treatment would be they could freeze off the cells in the cervix. fuck the shot. but i want a second test. i call my dr. then nurse practitioner and i bawl them out. 'jane' issues 2nd test - comes back NEGATIVE. few days later pinnacle health fires her - ******during this bullshit they quoted me that in the last 2 months of girls they did paps on some 12 girls had positive tests - in an amish rural town GTFO....i can see maybe harrisburg bc of drugs/prostitution....this doesn't make sense.

3. while this was going on...my daughters problem was actually urinary tract.....we werent getting anywhere so my mother said she would take my daughter to her OBGYN in mechanicsburg. i said ok. kids insurance wont let her go to any dr. so the visit would be out of pocket. my mothers doctor REFUSED to see my daughter even if i paid cash. that dr doesn't take cash patients. plus citing if insurance found out i paid cash there'd be a problem....since fuckin when am i or anyone else for that matter not allowed to pay cash or get a 2nd opinion?????

4., recently i threaded that i was taking a nerve RX called Lyrica for 5 years due to damage gone to my legs/feet from neuopathy/diabetes (i no longer have diabetes but i still have nerve damage) my insurance company in may denied my refill. told me to take an antidepressant in lieu of lyrica. my dr appealed 4 times, as i did myself....since fuckin when does an antidepressant handle nerve damage???? they have shit on the net saying that wellbutrin now does what lyrica does? BULLSHIT!!! theyre putting out bogus info on meds. even my dr sees this. we lost the appeal.

5. they have been misdiagnosing kids especially with ADHD & bipolar disorder to get kids on these mood stabilizers/antidepressants. they did this to my kids and im privy to it. only recently did my kids therapist agree with me that its all a bunch of high pressure bullshit. dr's are slowly waking up. our primary care dr realized this 5 yrs ago. the shrinks are taking longer.....

be watchful people...theyre fucking with our care here. do not put your trust in disgnosis', or treatment for that matter, so your own homework, pay attention, because this is about control, this is about you and your family.
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Sure you do. Eat healthy. Get sleep. Enjoy life.
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The only way to get an honest second opinion is to not ask for one. Never mention the first opinion. Even then, the doctors today could link records. They will likely give the same opinion.
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The only way to get an honest second opinion is to not ask for one. Never mention the first opinion. Even then, the doctors today could link records. They will likely give the same opinion.
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thats not failsafe most dr's have been blinded by the propaganda the industry has been plugging
political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.
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Simply put...no one watches out for number one like number one.
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Morning Phen!..

Being a home health care provider, caring for the elderly and disabled, Shit like this make's my blood boil. I at least find it satisfying to call out Docters when I recieve a client that has been loaded on all kinds of meds they don't need to be on. I've been somewhat successful in reducing their amounts by a 1/3. But the care Ive seen given to my clients that have had to go to the hospital and return with more problems than when they went in for... Bed sore's, additional programs for occupational and physical therapy and so on.. Beware folks they are in it for THE MONEY!

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Morning Phen!..

Being a home health care provider, caring for the elderly and disabled, Shit like this make's my blood boil. I at least find it satisfying to call out Docters when I recieve a client that has been loaded on all kinds of meds they don't need to be on. I've been somewhat successful in reducing their amounts by a 1/3. But the care Ive seen given to my clients that have had to go to the hospital and return with more problems than when they went in for... Bed sore's, additional programs for occupational and physical therapy and so on.. Beware folks they are in it for THE MONEY!

Ranting Rush
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it is a money plug....money for vax, money for masks, money for tamiflu...note how many pollies bought tamiflu stock or stock in the 5 companies who are marketing the flu vax. coinky dink? i kid you not.

Last Edited by Phennommennonn on 08/26/2009 10:38 AM
political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.
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it is a money plug....money for vax, money for masks, money for tamiflu...note how many pollies bought tamiflu stock or stock in the 5 companies who are marketing the flu vax. coinky dink? i kid you not.


hit the nail on the head. I like the other post you put up earlier too. All relevent to all the shit happening right before the masses blind eye's

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federal patient bills of rights
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Health care - you no longer have a say or control over your HC INSIST ON 2ND OPINION!!! Its Your Right

i began noticing the changes in 2007 when they merged medical records/nationalized.

i have fought the system every step of the way. the purpose of this thread is to inform all of you to be watchful of your medical care.

if the ovomitcare passes you will have no control whatsoever.

1. 2007: my son complained his rib hurt. took him to our dr. they thought it was an injurydue to ice hockey. took xrays showed nothing. few days later - 4th of July son goes to hershey med. fever. they say its pneumonia. rx for antibiotics sent him home. son isnt better. back to primary care physician. says kid dont have pneumonia still says its injured rib. back to hershey med er. er doc admits son. 19 days later - they lost 2 lung specimens, sons in coma high fever 105*, theyre doing nothing. i call my dr. he has no privilidges at HMC. tells me to remove him AMA (against medical advice) and bring him to a harrisburg hosp where he does have privileges . hershey peds dr and i lock horns bc ER doc said he could help me get a lung tap to see what kind of pneumonia hes got and they could treat accordingly. peds doc accuses me of being an unfit mother for wanting to tap lung. i pulled a memorex commercial on the guy...bitched his ass out, told him he was fired, to take his intern entourage out of my sons room or i would make a new elevator shaft where he was standing. i go to hosp admin. demand another dr be brought in. as in second opinion. patient bill of rights - hershey med MUST APPROVE ALL SECOND OPINIONS.......federal bill of rights days im entitled but HMC must approve????? they refused me, even at my expense. they claimed they didn't have another peds dr in rotation. i said is pay out of pocket. they refused. hosp admin hands me like 30 gift cards to cafeteria/gift shop as some consolation prize...insulting my intelligence....i handed them off to the parents in ronlad mcdonald house. * i gave them 24 hours to help my son or i was removing him. they threatened to call the welfare on me. i called my dr. he said get the kid out - and he would back me. HMC had 24 hours per my threat. hosp admin did agree. 24 hours later i remove my son. radiologist does find lesions on his outside lower lobe, but i was done. son was removed. my dr treated him appropriately and he was fine a few days later.

2. my daughter who is 18 had annual pap smear in jan. comes back HPV positive. nurse demands she be brought in for gardisil shot. i refuse. i demand second test. im denied. they cite my insurance will only cover one - and their lab. i cite im entitled to 2nd test, at a diff lab...and ill pay out of pocket. im still denied.nurse told me my daughter had to get shot. i said respectfully fuck you - the alternative treatment would be they could freeze off the cells in the cervix. fuck the shot. but i want a second test. i call my dr. then nurse practitioner and i bawl them out. 'jane' issues 2nd test - comes back NEGATIVE. few days later pinnacle health fires her - ******during this bullshit they quoted me that in the last 2 months of girls they did paps on some 12 girls had positive tests - in an amish rural town GTFO....i can see maybe harrisburg bc of drugs/prostitution....this doesn't make sense.

3. while this was going on...my daughters problem was actually urinary tract.....we werent getting anywhere so my mother said she would take my daughter to her OBGYN in mechanicsburg. i said ok. kids insurance wont let her go to any dr. so the visit would be out of pocket. my mothers doctor REFUSED to see my daughter even if i paid cash. that dr doesn't take cash patients. plus citing if insurance found out i paid cash there'd be a problem....since fuckin when am i or anyone else for that matter not allowed to pay cash or get a 2nd opinion?????

4., recently i threaded that i was taking a nerve RX called Lyrica for 5 years due to damage gone to my legs/feet from neuopathy/diabetes (i no longer have diabetes but i still have nerve damage) my insurance company in may denied my refill. told me to take an antidepressant in lieu of lyrica. my dr appealed 4 times, as i did myself....since fuckin when does an antidepressant handle nerve damage???? they have shit on the net saying that wellbutrin now does what lyrica does? BULLSHIT!!! theyre putting out bogus info on meds. even my dr sees this. we lost the appeal.

5. they have been misdiagnosing kids especially with ADHD & bipolar disorder to get kids on these mood stabilizers/antidepressants. they did this to my kids and im privy to it. only recently did my kids therapist agree with me that its all a bunch of high pressure bullshit. dr's are slowly waking up. our primary care dr realized this 5 yrs ago. the shrinks are taking longer.....

be watchful people...theyre fucking with our care here. do not put your trust in disgnosis', or treatment for that matter, so your own homework, pay attention, because this is about control, this is about you and your family.
 Quoting: Phennommennonn


Thanks Phen...sorry to hear of your various plights, but this is precisely the reason I do not trust the medical industry, and have not seen a doctor in years. Fortunately, I have not had any significant issues and remain healthy, but I suppose I'll probably have to venture back sometime in the near future as I age. I plan to link up with a hopefully like-minded doctor when I do.

I was a "psych tech" at a well known psychiatric hospital in the southeast for a number of years (back in my idealistic/wanna help everyone days), and my experiences there helped me decide that psychiatry was nothing more than an absolute racket. I couldn't even finish my degree and subsequently found myself pursuing business instead.

ALL psychotropic drugs are still very experimental, and the doctors administering them (at the time and probably now) STILL don't know the true impact on human physiology or psychology - and what we do know now ain't good. I watched several individuals get misdiagnosed by doctors that were simply following the pharma line, while essentially focusing on admissions for profit. Practically EVERYONE that entered our doors was "assessed" and admitted. Then, once the insurance dried up, the patient was cured!! Afterwords, the patient was sent home with their prescription of mind-numbing meds, which generally translated into re-admission a few months down the road for longer term care - when the insurance kicked back in.

So, while there have been some exceptional advances in medicine and our general knowledge of the human body, psychology is still a quack science based on nothing but theory and experimentation, and fueled by the pharmaceutical industry for profit. We simply do not know enough about the brain to begin to diagnose and treat the so-called "disorders" so many of us supposedly have.
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it is a money plug....money for vax, money for masks, money for tamiflu...note how many pollies bought tamiflu stock or stock in the 5 companies who are marketing the flu vax. coinky dink? i kid you not.
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well there's the skinny right there. Sure it's a money spinner. Can you imagine the billions that are gonna be generated from sales of medicine alone. What with this and the financial crisis there is a lot of money disappearing into a hole, first Wall St got it, now the health companies. For me you have to ask the question 'what is their game plan?'.

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This is all about the Bush admin cowtowing to Big Pharma a few years back to establish them as the sole provider for your meds.
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ancient warriors brough garlic cloves with them to war.. so eat a plate of any veggies even can veggies will do or 2 baked potatoes with several tablspoon of olive oil poure onto the veggies makes it easier to eat whole uncooked peeled garlic cloves . it is a natural antibiotic . adults eat 5 whole garlic cloves. with potatoes with lots of olive oil .remember that onions and garlic cloves also aid in chest colds but eat with olive oil OR it will BURN your stomach real bad ..
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history has shown us that you cannot trust big pharma nor the medical profession bc they have been compromised. theyre a broken corrupt system - fucking with our foods, causing (us) illness' and misdiagnosing us and mistreating our ailments.

we have to do whatever we can to protect our own best interests and that of our family. even if it means filing appeal after appeal, taking a stand and going public, letter campaigns to advocate groups etc and publicizing their machinations.

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political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.
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If this 'were' true, politicians will get their asses beat, and doctors will be making house calls again. You can't stop the good people.
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Natural, home treatment is the only way to go now unless you need major surgery or actually want their opinion. I was able to come out of my depression simply by EATING RIGHT and a little bit of exercising.

Drug companies, they're evil. Purely evil.
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Natural, home treatment is the only way to go now unless you need major surgery or actually want their opinion. I was able to come out of my depression simply by EATING RIGHT and a little bit of exercising.

Drug companies, they're evil. Purely evil.
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Agreed 100% ... stock up on vitamins/supplements ASAP before Codex.A is implemented ... you can cure almost anything on your own with some intensive web research !
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Natural, home treatment is the only way to go now unless you need major surgery or actually want their opinion. I was able to come out of my depression simply by EATING RIGHT and a little bit of exercising.

Drug companies, they're evil. Purely evil.
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the sinister plot behind big pharma is an abomination
political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.
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Natural, home treatment is the only way to go now unless you need major surgery or actually want their opinion. I was able to come out of my depression simply by EATING RIGHT and a little bit of exercising.

Drug companies, they're evil. Purely evil.


Agreed 100% ... stock up on vitamins/supplements ASAP before Codex.A is implemented ... you can cure almost anything on your own with some intensive web research !
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Natural, home treatment is the only way to go now unless you need major surgery or actually want their opinion. I was able to come out of my depression simply by EATING RIGHT and a little bit of exercising.

Drug companies, they're evil. Purely evil.


Agreed 100% ... stock up on vitamins/supplements ASAP before Codex.A is implemented ... you can cure almost anything on your own with some intensive web research !
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After Codex A is passed, hopefully not, there are still other alternatives.

Pine Needle Tea is a very strong source of quality Vitamin C. More Vit C then an Orange in one normal cup of tea of Pine Needle.

Syrian Rue is a natural MAOi.

Pumpkin Seeds fight worms.

Non filtered Apple Cider Vinegar is tremendously healthy for you.

Ginger Root aids nausea among other things.

Dandelions provide many many uses. It's sap can be used for warts and other skin sores, even antiseptic for smaller skin wounds. The roots are a mild stimulant similar to coffee w/o caffiene. The flowers can be used to make wine. The entire plant is healthy to eat.

Chickweed offers good supplies of Vitamins A, B and C variants along with calcium and potassium.

Seeds of Milk Thistle treat many various Liver ailments. It promotes new liver cell growth and helps rid of dead liver cells. Fantastic for liver damaged patients. Helps prevent liver damage.

And what can top much of this? Stock up on lentil beans. Learn to sprout them, it takes only 2-3 days and can provide you with everything needed to sustain life. 50lbs dried bean can feed one mouth for a year when sprouted properly. It is one of the most healtiest choices to eat only lentil sprouts.

Garlic sprouts act similar to a shot of antibiotics.

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But knowledge such as this stuff can benefit you even if Codex A is enacted.
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This bullshit has been going on for way to long. I think we have all had our experiences with drs. They tried to put my daughter on anti depressents for migraines wtf is that about she took pills for 2 days and felt weird and was not acting like her normal bubbly self~she did not need those meds I took her off.
I went to a pychiatrist and they told me they wouldnt treat me until I went on anti depressents I refused so they tried to sneak one on me. I was having trouble sleeping and they gave me fucking seroquil which is for pychotic episodes they give that drug to ppl to make them more less a zombie~I have seen others on it and they are not right. I took 2 of them and felt so fucking off from it I flushed them and never went back to that dr.

I had the HPV virus was diagnosed 19 yrs ago and they gave me every single treatment twice before they agreed to give me a hystrectomy. It took 10 yrs before they would agree to do it. I had all my kids already and had my tubes tied for awile at that point. I truly believed if I didnt make such a fuss about it they would have let it turn to cancer. IT IS BULLSHIT
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these drugs take away emotion. now 'why' is the big question. if you cannot feel emotion you cant react. if you cant react you cant resist. capice? wink
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these drugs take away emotion. now 'why' is the big question. if you cannot feel emotion you cant react. if you cant react you cant resist. capice? wink
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You are so right no emotions I was on anti depressant before they prescribed me zoloft I started to take them and felt better but after about 6 weeks on them I crashed hard was suicidal the dr just upped the prescription another 50 mg, well it happened again 6 weeks later upped them again. I also had bdy aches, sleeping problems, depression,etc. She had me on over 150 mg per day of that medicine. I told her they obviously are not working on me they make me feel worse. I recieved a letter from her a week later saying she couldnt treat me any longer.
I know they make you stay in the middle no highs no lows just there pretty much. I have been against this type of meds ever since.
I do think there are ppl that are chemically imbalanced and need them but does 90% of america need them~dont think so. Maybe if they can keep us all in a stuper they can do whatever they want to us. Things are just so fucked up right now and Im starting to feel like they are cornering us and there is nothing we can do about it.
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these drugs take away emotion. now 'why' is the big question. if you cannot feel emotion you cant react. if you cant react you cant resist. capice? wink
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Yep, evil stuff.
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the founders of kaiser permenete are the spawn from satan's loins.

they waited for my to get 3 tonsil infections before allowing me to get surgery to remove them, even though my medical records from previous doctors had already strong recommended tonsillectomy due to years and years of strep throat and enlarged lymph nodes in my neck.

first they gave me antibiotics, this froze and delayed the infection for tweek weeks, as soon as I came off the drugs, the infection came back...worse, had to go to the ER get morphine hosts, two iv bags and nice bottle of percocet :)

the infection hide again with he use of a different antibiotic and when it came back the third time, i about flipped shit, i wanted to sue, i was malnourished and dehydrated for two months, i looked pale and skinny the FIRST time i came inf or an infection.

I'll never visit a doctor again in america, for problems big ro small. it's a money-making scheme.
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i cannot believe how ppl who take them think that theyre good. they dont get that this stuff has toxins in it one being fluoride.

tv has been segmenting post pardum, bipolar even ADHD then they do an epilogue after the shows to plug the drugs.
political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.
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Sure you do. Eat healthy. Get sleep. Enjoy life.
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Wise AC. Chocolate and black tea is good to boost immunities and with fresh fruit does not allow tooth decay.
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It is beyond outrageous that the OP was denied the right to pay cash for medical services. Smoke came out of my ears when I read that. I'm a firm believer that all doctors, clinics, hospitals, every form of medical establishment should be required to post their rates for all services. The customer should be given the option to pay cash, no questions asked.
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It is beyond outrageous that the OP was denied the right to pay cash for medical services. Smoke came out of my ears when I read that. I'm a firm believer that all doctors, clinics, hospitals, every form of medical establishment should be required to post their rates for all services. The customer should be given the option to pay cash, no questions asked.
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but dr's are doing this - many but not all. its almost like in the.....is it tarp or cap/trade? where u cant sell ur house on land contract/rent2own it has to be thru a mtg (bank)....so they can keep track of the money. same shit here re medical. they want the control....theyre stripping us of informed choice.
political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.
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Seemed so much easier years ago when I just paid cash and didn't have insurance - once the insurance and HMOs got involved, it got ridiculous.

My son had hydrocephalus, I knew things weren't right with him, but I had recently gotten on an HMO, they kept calling me an over-protective parent and him a hypochondriac - he had a fungal infection of the central nervous system!!

Luckily for us we had a hero neurosurgeon that admitted him into a hospital that wasn't covered by the insurance. It was a battle on all sides, so I know, I also threatened a doctor (his HMO ped) to stay the hell away from him before I tossed her skinny ass out the window.

Turns out after weeks in ICU, the neurosurgeon had all charges waived and retired right after - he fought a good fight for us, but I think he was disgusted by the red tape.
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federal patient bills of rights
[link to 192.211.16.13]

Health care - you no longer have a say or control over your HC INSIST ON 2ND OPINION!!! Its Your Right

i began noticing the changes in 2007 when they merged medical records/nationalized.

i have fought the system every step of the way. the purpose of this thread is to inform all of you to be watchful of your medical care.

if the ovomitcare passes you will have no control whatsoever.

1. 2007: my son complained his rib hurt. took him to our dr. they thought it was an injurydue to ice hockey. took xrays showed nothing. few days later - 4th of July son goes to hershey med. fever. they say its pneumonia. rx for antibiotics sent him home. son isnt better. back to primary care physician. says kid dont have pneumonia still says its injured rib. back to hershey med er. er doc admits son. 19 days later - they lost 2 lung specimens, sons in coma high fever 105*, theyre doing nothing. i call my dr. he has no privilidges at HMC. tells me to remove him AMA (against medical advice) and bring him to a harrisburg hosp where he does have privileges . hershey peds dr and i lock horns bc ER doc said he could help me get a lung tap to see what kind of pneumonia hes got and they could treat accordingly. peds doc accuses me of being an unfit mother for wanting to tap lung. i pulled a memorex commercial on the guy...bitched his ass out, told him he was fired, to take his intern entourage out of my sons room or i would make a new elevator shaft where he was standing. i go to hosp admin. demand another dr be brought in. as in second opinion. patient bill of rights - hershey med MUST APPROVE ALL SECOND OPINIONS.......federal bill of rights days im entitled but HMC must approve????? they refused me, even at my expense. they claimed they didn't have another peds dr in rotation. i said is pay out of pocket. they refused. hosp admin hands me like 30 gift cards to cafeteria/gift shop as some consolation prize...insulting my intelligence....i handed them off to the parents in ronlad mcdonald house. * i gave them 24 hours to help my son or i was removing him. they threatened to call the welfare on me. i called my dr. he said get the kid out - and he would back me. HMC had 24 hours per my threat. hosp admin did agree. 24 hours later i remove my son. radiologist does find lesions on his outside lower lobe, but i was done. son was removed. my dr treated him appropriately and he was fine a few days later.

2. my daughter who is 18 had annual pap smear in jan. comes back HPV positive. nurse demands she be brought in for gardisil shot. i refuse. i demand second test. im denied. they cite my insurance will only cover one - and their lab. i cite im entitled to 2nd test, at a diff lab...and ill pay out of pocket. im still denied.nurse told me my daughter had to get shot. i said respectfully fuck you - the alternative treatment would be they could freeze off the cells in the cervix. fuck the shot. but i want a second test. i call my dr. then nurse practitioner and i bawl them out. 'jane' issues 2nd test - comes back NEGATIVE. few days later pinnacle health fires her - ******during this bullshit they quoted me that in the last 2 months of girls they did paps on some 12 girls had positive tests - in an amish rural town GTFO....i can see maybe harrisburg bc of drugs/prostitution....this doesn't make sense.

3. while this was going on...my daughters problem was actually urinary tract.....we werent getting anywhere so my mother said she would take my daughter to her OBGYN in mechanicsburg. i said ok. kids insurance wont let her go to any dr. so the visit would be out of pocket. my mothers doctor REFUSED to see my daughter even if i paid cash. that dr doesn't take cash patients. plus citing if insurance found out i paid cash there'd be a problem....since fuckin when am i or anyone else for that matter not allowed to pay cash or get a 2nd opinion?????

4., recently i threaded that i was taking a nerve RX called Lyrica for 5 years due to damage gone to my legs/feet from neuopathy/diabetes (i no longer have diabetes but i still have nerve damage) my insurance company in may denied my refill. told me to take an antidepressant in lieu of lyrica. my dr appealed 4 times, as i did myself....since fuckin when does an antidepressant handle nerve damage???? they have shit on the net saying that wellbutrin now does what lyrica does? BULLSHIT!!! theyre putting out bogus info on meds. even my dr sees this. we lost the appeal.

5. they have been misdiagnosing kids especially with ADHD & bipolar disorder to get kids on these mood stabilizers/antidepressants. they did this to my kids and im privy to it. only recently did my kids therapist agree with me that its all a bunch of high pressure bullshit. dr's are slowly waking up. our primary care dr realized this 5 yrs ago. the shrinks are taking longer.....

be watchful people...theyre fucking with our care here. do not put your trust in disgnosis', or treatment for that matter, so your own homework, pay attention, because this is about control, this is about you and your family.
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What a racket!!! Drug and vaccination pushing pimps!! Good for you Phen for ripping their heads off!!





GLP