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Yaltabaoth.created the body of Adam ...Jesus told Adam and Eve to eat of the tree of knowledge

 
Donna
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Yaltabaoth.created the body of Adam ...Jesus told Adam and Eve to eat of the tree of knowledge
JESUS told Adam and Eve to eat of the tree of Knowledge of good and evil...and before you start saying that I am a heritec, think about who would profit from humans not knowing the difference between good and evil?

God wanted us to know the difference so we would choose the good. Satan wanted to keep us blinded so he could lead us down the path of evil

Read this vision from Jesus to his apostle John, if you want to know who you are in Christ Jesus, and what your heritage is, as sons of God.


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"And he(Yaltaboath) said to the authorities which attend him, ´Come, let us create a man according to the image of God and according to our likeness, that his image may become a light for us.´ And they created by means of their respective powers in correspondence with the characteristics which were given. And each authority supplied a characteristic in the form of the image which he had seen in its natural (form). He created a being according to the likeness of the first, perfect Man. And they said, ´Let us call him Adam, that his name may become a power of light for us.

-snip- And all the angels and demons worked until they had constructed the natural body. And their product was completely inactive and motionless for a long time.

"And when the mother wanted to retrieve the power which she had given to the chief archon,(Yaltaboath) she petitioned the Mother-Father of the All, who is most merciful. He sent, by means of the holy decree, the five lights down upon the place of the angels of the chief archon. They advised him that they should bring forth the power of the mother. And they said to Yaltabaoth, ´Blow into his face something of your spirit and his body will arise.´ And he blew into his face the spirit which is the power of his mother; he did not know (this), for he exists in ignorance. And the power of the mother went out of Yaltabaoth into the natural body, which they had fashioned after the image of the one who exists from the beginning. The body moved and gained strength, and it was luminous.

"And in that moment the rest of the powers became jealous, because he had come into being through all of them and they had given their power to the man, and his intelligence was greater than that of those who had made him, and greater than that of the chief archon. And when they recognized that he was luminous, and that he could think better than they, and that he was free from wickedness, they took him and threw him into the lowest region of all matter. -snip-



"And the archons took him and placed him in paradise. And they said to him, ´Eat, that is at leisure,´ for their luxury is bitter and their beauty is depraved. And their luxury is deception and their trees are godlessness and their fruit is deadly poison and their promise is death. And the tree of their life they had placed in the midst of paradise.

"And I (Jesus)shall teach you (pl.) what is the mystery of their life, which is the plan which they made together, which is the likeness of their spirit. The root of this (tree) is bitter and its branches are death, its shadow is hate and deception is in its leaves, and its blossom is the ointment of evil, and its fruit is death and desire is its seed, and it sprouts in darkness. The dwelling place of those who taste from it is Hades, and the darkness is their place of rest.

"But what they call the tree of knowledge of good and evil, which is the Epinoia of the light, they stayed in front of it in order that he (Adam) might not look up to his fullness and recognize the nakedness of his shamefulness. But it was I who brought about that they ate."

And to I said to the savior, "Lord, was it not the serpent that taught Adam to eat?" The savior smiled and said, "The serpent taught them to eat from wickedness of begetting, lust, (and) destruction, that he (Adam) might be useful to him. And he (Adam) knew that he was disobedient to him (the chief archon) due to light of the Epinoia which is in him, which made him more correct in his thinking than the chief archon. And (the latter) wanted to bring about the power which he himself had given him. And he brought a forgetfulness over Adam."

And I said to the savior, "What is the forgetfulness?" And he said "It is not the way Moses wrote (and) you heard. For he said in his first book, ´He put him to sleep´ (Gn 2:21), but (it was) in his perception. For also he said through the prophet, ´I will make their hearts heavy, that they may not pay attention and may not see´ (Is 6:10). -snip-

-snip- . I (Jesus) appeared in the form of an eagle on the tree of knowledge, which is the Epinoia from the foreknowledge of the pure light, that I might teach them and awaken them out of the depth of sleep. For they were both in a fallen state, and they recognized their nakedness. The Epinoia appeared to them as a light; she awakened their thinking. -snip-

-snip- "And when Yaltabaoth noticed that they withdrew from him, he cursed his earth. He found the woman as she was preparing herself for her husband. He was lord over her, though he did not know the mystery which had come to pass through the holy decree. And they were afraid to blame him. And he showed his angels his ignorance which is in him. And he cast them out of paradise and he clothed them in gloomy darkness.-snip- (gloomy darkness = animal skins?)
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12/08/2005 10:15 AM
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metaphore or memorex?
Donna
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>>>metaphore or memorex?>>>

I´m not sure shat you are asking. This was a vision given to Jesus´ Apostle John, from Jesus. This tells of how everything came into being from the Eternal All
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Donna you are a heritic.
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~Smile~
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So you are actually saying that Jesus is Satan. Sorry, but they are enemies and are not the same spirit person. And I hope one day you come to an accurate knowledge of the scriptures. Pray for help from Almighty God.

By the way, Adam and Eve did know good and evil. Eve just wanted to be her own god and decide for herself what is good and bad. And Adam just followed Eve knowing full well what he was doing. This was not a case of them being ignorant. They were thieves who took something that didn´t belong to them. It was not a case of them aquiring knowledge. They already had that. They were well educated.
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I warn everyone who hears the prophetic words in this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book,

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and if anyone takes away from the words in this prophetic book, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city described in this book.

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12 The one who gives this testimony says, "Yes, I am coming soon." Amen! Come, Lord Jesus!

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>>>So you are actually saying that Jesus is Satan>>>


No, that is not what I´m saying....why don´t you read the link that I provided, and then we can discuss this rationally.

Thanks!
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User ID: 8743, you obv iously think the book that the pagan worshiper, Constantine gave you is the only words to go by....How sad!
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Donna, Adam and Eve already knew the difference between good and evil before they ate the fruit. God does not keep us blinded and then hopes that we trip up so He can punish us or even educate us. He educates us and warns us just like He did to the people in Bible times. Before anything happens. Look at Ninevah for one example. Anyway, Eve just really thought she could be a god. And Adam knew full well what had happened but just chose Eve over God. Adam and Eve disobeyed with FULL KNOWLEGES OF WHAT THEY WERE DOING. There is not more to it.
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Constantine didnt give me anything. This book was written by the apostle John. Historians and people who gave their lives have a little more believability than some of the trash you push.
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12/08/2005 10:15 AM
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Of course we can always consider that the story of Adam and Eve has just a figurative meaning without any common point with the real origins of humans on Earth.




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Thessa
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BTW, the fruit was nothing special. It did not give them knowledge. It just *represented* God´s right to rule. That is all. Our first parents were theieves and they selfish. Just proves that perfect people can be complete idiots. Just like the angels who followed Satan were. They knew what they were doing also. Satan tempted them and they took the bait. Perfect beings full of selfishness and wickedness.
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Here you have the Sum 260, from the bottom to the top, from the nght hand to the left, and by the Diagonal; the lesser Number of 260 is 8, the Number of Jesod; as also the Root of the whole Square is 8.

The Symbol of the first Sum is 260, which makes the word Sar, i.e., "he went back," because in going forward the Sum always goes backward through the units.

For Example, if you begin with 2, reckoning the first Column for 8 the Sum will be 268, which is resolved in 7.

If you begin with the 3 (reckoning 8 for the second Column) the Sum will be 276, which resolves into 6. And so of the rest. And so also the number of Purifications increasing, the Weight of thy Water decreases.

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Donna
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>>>>Constantine didnt give me anything. This book was written by the apostle John. Historians and people who gave their lives have a little more believability than some of the trash you push.>>>>

The apostle John in the book of the revelation of Jesus Christ was a vision. Why do you believe that vision is valid, but not this vision of Johns?

The very fact that these manuscripts were hidden away from the corruptors makes it much more valid to me.


Thessa, the vision given to John does not state a time frame, but it goes back to all before there was anything but the Eternal All.
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User ID: 1415, did you even bother to read the link? Please do, if you want to converse intelligently on this thread.
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Of course we can always consider that the story of Adam and Eve has just a figurative meaning without any common point with the real origins of humans on Earth.






Well, people can believe this but science proves it wrong. DNA studies indicate one male and one female ancestor of all mankind. We are all related to one another!! In recent years, scientists have researched human genes extensively. By comparing human genetic patterns around the earth, they found clear evidence that all humans have a common ancestor, a source of the DNA of all people who have ever lived, including each of us.

In 1988, Newsweek magazine presented those findings in a report entitled “The Search for Adam and Eve.” Those studies were based on a type of mitochondrial DNA, genetic material passed on only by the female. Reports in 1995 about research on male DNA point to the same conclusion—that “there was an ancestral ‘Adam,’ whose genetic material on the [Y] chromosome is common to every man now on earth,” as Time magazine put it.

Whether those findings are accurate in every detail or not, they illustrate that the history we find in Genesis is highly credible, being authored by One who was on the scene at the time.
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The eating of the fruit from the tree of good and evil is a metaphor for the development of consciousness...and we´ve been trying to reconcile our opposites ever since.
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Donna,
I. SOURCES OF KNOWLEDGE
ABOUT GNOSTICISM
For many centuries Gnosticism was known almost
exclusively from the writings of Christian opponents.
By the middle of the second century the Roman apolo-
gist Justin had composed a treatise, now lost, in which
he argued that Gnostic movements, inspired by
demons, first arose after Christ´s ascension. The first
Gnostic teacher was Simon Magus (who in Acts 8 is
not depicted as a Gnostic); he was followed by his
disciple Menander and, later on, by Marcion of Pontus.
Justin´s argument is not convincing, for Menander held
himself to be the revealer and can hardly have been
Simon´s disciple, while Marcion´s doctrines had little
to do with either Simon or Menander. Justin was trying
to show the generic development of Gnosticism from
a single, demon-inspired source, and he was uncritically
followed by later antiheretical writers.
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-snip- And all the angels and demons worked until they had constructed the natural body. And their product was completely inactive and motionless for a long time.






From what I am getting here is that this is saying that God did not create Adam but the angels and demons did. This goes against the whole Bible which said God created everything. And there were no demons until AFTER angels decided to follow Satan into disobedience LONG AFTER Adam and Eve sinned. Angels became demons when they came to earth in Noah´s day to mate with the women and not before. They weren´t fallen angels or demons before that.

I´ll just keep to the Bible and to the original language which is free of Constantine´s and the Council of Nicea´s lies. I also don´t need anything in addition to what we already have in the Bible which makes perfect sense to me.
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The Coptic versions
of the Apocryphon of John begin and end with a
framework relating the Gnostic revelation to Christian
tradition. At the beginning, John, the son of Zebedee,
sees a vision on a mountain top; at the end, he tells
his fellow disciples what the savior said to him. In the
middle, however, there is the revelation itself, which
clearly reflects the Old Testament narrative but
reinterprets it drastically. The revealer appears in “a
unity of many forms” and declares himself to be the
Father, the Mother, and the Son; but the ultimate
reality is a spirit of immeasurable light, transcending
all gods. From this spirit proceeded a series of emana-
tions, the lowest of which, Wisdom, produced from
herself an ugly son named Ialdabaoth (presumably a
parody of some form of the name Yahweh). In turn
Ialdabaoth produced twelve angels, each accompanied
by seven more; each of the seven had three “powers.”
Then he made twelve more “authorities” or “princi-
palities,” seven to rule over the seven heavens, five
over the underworld. The total is thus 360 and corre-
sponds with the days in a lunar year. In various lists
the seven world-rulers are assigned slightly different
names, but in essence all are based on names of Yahweh
in the Old Testament (Yahweh, Adonai, Elohim,
Sabaoth). Thus far, only the names suggest any relation
to the Old Testament.
At this point, however, the Apocryphon begins to
correct the Old Testament narrative. It was Ialdabaoth
who said, “I am a jealous god; there is no other god
beside me”—thus proving that other gods really exist.
What was “borne about” (Genesis 1:2 in Greek) was
not the wind or the spirit of Elohim but Ialdabaoth´s
mother, who had just realized that he had emanated
from her. This took place “not as Moses said, Above
the waters.” The seven authorities saw an image re-
flected from the Holy Perfect Father above and said
to one another, “Let us make a man after the image
and after the appearance of God.” They were unable
to give him life, and therefore some of Wisdom´s power
had to be breathed into him before he could stand
upright. The whole story of paradise, largely “not as

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Moses said,” tells of how Ialdabaoth and the others
tried to maintain control over the man.
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User 1415 >>> I also don´t need anything in addition to what we already have in the Bible which makes perfect sense to me.>>>>

Good for you! You can learn nothing from this thread, nor can you add to it! You already know it all! LoL


User 8743..Thank you for that synopsis.
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The God-Shaped Hole

It may be that universal history is the history of
the different intonations given a handful of metaphors.
-- Jorge Luis Borges (1951), "The Fearful Sphere of Pascal,"
in Labyrinths, New Directions, 1962

There is a hole in the universe.

It is not like a hole in a wall where a mouse slips through, solid and crisp and leading from somewhere to someplace. It is rather like a hole in the heart, an amorphous and edgeless void. It is a heartfelt absence, a blank space where something is missing, a large and obvious blind spot in our understanding of the universe.

That missing something, strange to say, is a grasp of nothing itself. Understanding nothing matters, because nothing is the all-important background upon which everything else happens.

Seen through the eyes of faith, religion´s future is secure. As long as there are human beings, there will be religion for the sufficient reason that the self is a theomorphic creature -- one whose morphe (form) is theos -- God encased within it. Having been created in the imago Dei, the image of God, all human beings have a God-shaped vacuum built into their hearts. Since nature abhors a vacuum, people keep trying to fill the one inside them. Searching for an image of the divine that will fit, they paw over various options as if they were pieces of a jigsaw puzzle, matching them successively to the gaping hole at the puzzle´s center.... They keep doing this until the right "piece" is found. When it slips into place, life´s jigsaw puzzle is solved.

How so? Because the sight of the picture that then emerges is so commanding that it swings attention from the self who is viewing the picture to the picture itself. This epiphany, with its attendant ego-reduction, is salvation in the West and enlightenment in the East.


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When I read something like the angels and demons created man then I don´t need to go any further. I know everything else is going to be wrong also. Almighty God created it ALL. I stand at that basic belief. And again I don´t know it ALL. Only Almighty God knows it all. But I do know the basics and a little more and how they harmonize with the whole Bible. I left gnostic teachings long ago along with my dealings with demons who are very real.
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User 5081, thank you for the link. I will check it out. It is sad when we think we know it all! I don´t want to be one of those people.
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my ears are itching! i´m flocking to this gnostic stuff!
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Hi Kiddo,

Hope you are well. Wow! It is as if every idea and concept that´s out there, even those that are "out-there"; you are drawn to and compelled to search out.

Ever think about why you are looking everywhere for answers? Has something happened in your life that has caused you to doubt God? I recall a much more concise witness and awareness from you in the past.

The Living God has revealed all we need to know to us. HE is en-route to us in the form of Jesus to reclaim this world. Now is the time to be drawing near to HIM, if you still acknowledge HIM; not looking for proof under every rock and in every shadow.

We are strong IN-HIM, called to endure until the end. The End is coming; almost here.

Why not be sure you are okay with HIM by seeking HIM where you know HE IS, not spending your Final Moments making HIM prove HE IS THERE over and over.

I am pulling for you and every other seeker. Why not let HIM pull for you to, and cast off all the extraneous baggage you will never use again? All we need to Keep IS HIM!
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>>>I left gnostic teachings long ago along with my dealings with demons who are very real.>>>


Of course they are very real. You obviously didn´t have your heart full of God, or the demons could not have led you astray.

Jesus said that if you throw the deomon out and don´t fill that room up,(He´s talking about filling that space up with God´s spirit), the demons will come back and bring 7 more with him.

-edit- BTW, if the knowledge you have is suficcient for you, that is good and well. Jesus also said you will be given truth, in proporation to how much you are ready to receive it.
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Why do you deride scripture that you claim was corrupt but have no proof of this and yet believe dubious writings that are in direct opposite of Gods will and sources that are proven corrupt?
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donna
the trigger word for me on that page is

"Still for a third time I went - I am the light which exists in the light, I am the remembrance of the Pronoia - that I might enter into the midst of darkness and the inside of Hades. And I filled my face with the light of the completion of their aeon. And I entered into the midst of their prison, which is the prison of the body. And I said, ´He who hears, let him get up from the deep sleep.´ And he wept and shed tears. Bitter tears he wiped from himself and he said, ´Who is it that calls my name, and from where has this hope come to me, while I am in the chains of the prison?´ And I said, ´I am the Pronoia of the pure light; I am the thinking of the virginal Spirit, who raised you up to the honored place. Arise and remember that it is you who hearkened, and follow your root, which is I, the merciful one, and guard yourself against the angels of poverty and the demons of chaos and all those who ensnare you, and beware of the deep sleep and the enclosure of the inside of Hades.

And I raised him up, and sealed him in the light of the water with five seals, in order that death might not have power over him from this time on."

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pronoia
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8743>>>>Why do you deride scripture that you claim was corrupt but have no proof of this and yet believe dubious writings that are in direct opposite of Gods will and sources that are proven corrupt?>>>>


Therein lies the problem. People have repeatedly posted how the bible was put together, but christians are so mind controled, they will not see the truth of the many historical accounts about the council of Nicea and Constantine.

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You are worshiping a book that was approved by a pagan worshiper.





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