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If jet fuel can melt steel...

 
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and the "ARABS" who HIJACKED the plane...
some are alive, and have spoken out against the claims against them... ?
what about those people? doesnt that just blow this official lie out of the water?


OMFG!!!

You mean people that flew planes into buildings to kill people might have used STOLEN IDENTITIES???

SAY IT AINT SO!!!

ahhhahhhahhh
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nope, never happened... move along
explain to me the passport issue.
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nope, never happened... move along
explain to me the passport issue.
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Re: If jet fuel can melt steel...
and the "ARABS" who HIJACKED the plane...
some are alive, and have spoken out against the claims against them... ?
what about those people? doesnt that just blow this official lie out of the water?


OMFG!!!

You mean people that flew planes into buildings to kill people might have used STOLEN IDENTITIES???

SAY IT AINT SO!!!

ahhhahhhahhh
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 755309


No.. the people that remotely controlled the planes into buildings to kill used...these fuckin hijackers were patsies..research Atta for a while...drug runner..CIA. florida flight schools..Clinton...Mena Arkansas...
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I worked at Pratt & Whitney for a few years, they use a high nickle steel, known as inconel for the high compressor blades.
Now its extremely hard, and very expensive. You need special machinery to cut it.

The amount of heat required to melt steel in those towers would be impossible to achieve. You need to atomize the jet fuel to get it to burn, it burns terribly poorly otherwise. That is by design BTW, in case of a crash it helps to save lives.

Also, the inertia of those planes would have caused the fuel to keep moving and create a massive fireball on the other side of the building, as was seen.

Think about it, plane going 650 KM/H +, the fuel weighs tons, that isn't going to just stop, it has a lot of weight and keeps going. It will want to keep going, any of you drivers who drink coffee in the morning and have slammed on your breaks only to find it on your lap know what I'm talking about.

It was a pretty sloppy story, that was full of holes.
Most of the jet fuel was ejected through through inertia.
Take a glass and water and slam it forward, then jerk it to a stop, it flies forward out of the cup. Same deal here.
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The estimate on how much fuel was left...10,000 gallons...

how much space does that take up ? ...looky here..

[link to femr2.ucoz.com]

now subtract the huge amount that was blown up on impact...
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You still haven't answered my question, where are they? and perhaps you could fill us in on what kind of missile you think hit the pentagon, and maybe some pictures of it (by that i mean the missile and not the Pentagon).
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Footage from EVERY security camera from EVERY building in the area was confiscated by the government and never released to the public. The Pentagons own security footage was never released.

IF they are telling the truth what do they have to hide?

How do you explain 20 foot round round in the side of Pentagon?

Where is the wreckage? WHERE are the engines???????
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The estimate on how much fuel was left...10,000 gallons...

how much space does that take up ? ...looky here..

[link to femr2.ucoz.com]

now subtract the huge amount that was blown up on impact...
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LOL really shows how much of a 'tard you'd have to be to think that brought the towers down.
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Re: If jet fuel can melt steel...
The estimate on how much fuel was left...10,000 gallons...

how much space does that take up ? ...looky here..

[link to femr2.ucoz.com]

now subtract the huge amount that was blown up on impact...


LOL really shows how much of a 'tard you'd have to be to think that brought the towers down.
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tards everywhere !!!! 5a banana2 moshpit 5a lmao
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...then what material is a jet engine made of that it can withstand the heat of constant ignition? Honest question, I'm just curious.
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Jet fuel cannot melt steel.
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The name calling and the blatant lying wow. Here is the great part, the obvious planting of false information. An anvil on wood sticks? How do you even write the words? ANYONE who looks at BLDG 7 as it is being "pulled" can tell this is NOT an organic event. ANYONE can see it was destroyed with Controlled Demolition. Period. Add to that it was a HARDENED site, that is it was built to withstand Hurricanes, tornados, earthquakes and even a nuclear attack! If you want to argue I will simply ask you to LOOK at the building collapse symmetrically and real FAST. This cannot be debunked, it is just ONE of the "idiosyncrasy" of the day.
Now lets talk about the two towers, AGAIN with the FAST and COMPLETE destabilization? Straight into there own footprint? How about the molten iron? How about the VISIBLE squib blasts popping out windows just prior to the collapse. ANYONE looking at the footage can SEE this. ANYONE.

Reasons are easy because you simply look towards effect. War and political gain and financial gain. ANYONE notice Larry Silverstein getting twice his money? Profit on Death lately Mr. Silverstein? Billions. Who eats with this guy? War with the popular support needed for war. Just add water(any enemy bush CHOOSES). The popularity of our President went through the roof with our new PERCEIVED enemy to rally against. ANYONE can go look at what was IN BLDG.7. ANYONE. The SEC for one. With ongoing case files on WORLD COM, ENRON and other insider trading. Come on boys this is the big time crime stuff, people who steal by the MILLIONS not your rip off the pot dealer next door. This ALONE is worrisome the destruction of BLDG 7 and the timing there off is telling. No logical debunking is possible.

And this is JUST the tip of the iceberg so to the truth movement I say keep talking and the debunkers I ask you to KNOW you have no real firm ground left.
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Building 7 had VERY unconventional building methods used.

This was because it was built over the top of an existing structure.

Did you know this?

I think not.

It actually had some DIAGONAL columns in the lower floors because of the screwed up way it was constructed.

So...

Debri from the falling WTC 1 and 2 SERIOUSLY undercut the south facade, damage DESCRIBED by firefighters but not easily seen in photos because of the huge amount of smoke coming from that area.

Intense fires fed by rather huge fuel tanks meant for emergency generators weakened previously mentioned DIAGONAL columns, the resulting FAILURE of which brought down the whole building.

Now, I have explained this about a jillion times and am frankly friggen tired of explaining it to idiots such as yourself that don't understand much about buildings in the first place, but don't hesitate to present half-baked fucked up opinions to support whatever agendas.
"Everybody lies."
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I didn't realise instant replies were required.

[link to aviation-safety.net]

Were are the people if they arent dead?


SHELDON COOPER. GET BACK TO G.HOUSE. HE WANTS HIS CRUNCHY SUPREME TACO ALREADY!!! You silly tramp.
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I don't know what the fuck your problem is but if I were you...
"Everybody lies."
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URGENT!! TONIGHT, MONDAY, AUGUST 31, NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC'S CHANNEL WILL AIR 'THE TRUTH ABOUT 9/11'



August 31, 2009


This program will air once early evening and again several hours later.

This is a requirement before very shortly after the BIG CHANGES can start.
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Building 7 had VERY unconventional building methods used.

This was because it was built over the top of an existing structure.

Did you know this?

I think not.

It actually had some DIAGONAL columns in the lower floors because of the screwed up way it was constructed.

So...

Debri from the falling WTC 1 and 2 SERIOUSLY undercut the south facade, damage DESCRIBED by firefighters but not easily seen in photos because of the huge amount of smoke coming from that area.

Intense fires fed by rather huge fuel tanks meant for emergency generators weakened previously mentioned DIAGONAL columns, the resulting FAILURE of which brought down the whole building.

Now, I have explained this about a jillion times and am frankly friggen tired of explaining it to idiots such as yourself that don't understand much about buildings in the first place, but don't hesitate to present half-baked fucked up opinions to support whatever agendas.
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So you have explained a bunch of disinfo a jillion times ?...
prove that the fireproofed tanks contributed to the fire in WTC7... u can't..
see how many times the Port Authority, FEMA & NIST changed up that story for your fantasy lies.
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It can't My friend took some f-16 fuel and put in on a coke can.

First off it was hard to light he said..
then when he got it to bun it didn't do shit to the can..

9/11 = SCAM to make money..


It will also be the thing to turn people around.
You just wait... something will come out about 9/11 and people will get pissed!
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2 planes make 3 building fall into their own foot print. LMAO....

We should make less bombs and start using old planes..

Do you understand how hot it would have to be to melt steal?

Plus the steal beams are covers with a white fire prove cover.

Wake up people...


And show me some plane parts around the pentagon!

I use to work for boing for 2 years... I didn't see shit that looks like a airplane hit it..

9/11 = TRICK
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ah, here comes the Queen Shill... G House;
explain to me the passport issue.... how
is it it escaped unscathed... a piece of paper...
flying out of an exploding plane... landed on the ground
UNSCATHED... conveniently for the "investigators" to find
yet could not find the black boxes at ground zero, supposedly, when theyre designed to never be lost?
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ah, here comes the Queen Shill... G House;
explain to me the passport issue.... how
is it it escaped unscathed... a piece of paper...
flying out of an exploding plane... landed on the ground
UNSCATHED... conveniently for the "investigators" to find
yet could not find the black boxes at ground zero, supposedly, when theyre designed to never be lost?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 759517


Why?

It's all been explained many times over.

YOU PEOPLE just keep repeating misconceptions and outright stupidity over and over again to try to make shit stick to the wall.

Really tired of it all.

Go believe whatever the hell you want.

Doesn't make it true though.

One interesting FACT though.

Professionals that believe so-called 911 truth when expressed as a percentage of all professionals is pretty damn close to the percentage of the population known to be clinically insane.

Of course the percentage in the general population might be just a bit higher but that's covered by the just plain stupid and gullible.

Last Edited by G. House on 09/01/2009 08:34 PM
"Everybody lies."
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For the same reason it doesn't melt torches. It has pure oxygen between the fire and the steel.
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THIS JUST IN
G HOUSE IS A SHILL
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...then what material is a jet engine made of that it can withstand the heat of constant ignition? Honest question, I'm just curious.
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It can't, and it isn't.

No part of the official claim for the events of 9-11 require jet fuel to melt steel. In fact, they don't even require it to play a role in softening steel; it is only the accelerant for the fire that did the real work.

And, yet, jet fuel CAN bring steel to dangerous temperatures; when combined with compressed air in a turbine. That is one of the reasons why turbine blades are made of refractory materials -- titanium alloys, usually.

That is also why commercial airliners have such big engines. Actually, the central trunk of compressors, combustion chamber, and etc. isn't that big. What makes the engine so wide is the high-bypass design. Simply put, a lot of extra (cold) air is sucked in, but it is sent around the engine to keep it cool.

This stuff isn't hard to look up, you know.
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You still haven't answered my question, where are they? and perhaps you could fill us in on what kind of missile you think hit the pentagon, and maybe some pictures of it (by that i mean the missile and not the Pentagon).


Footage from EVERY security camera from EVERY building in the area was confiscated by the government and never released to the public. The Pentagons own security footage was never released.

IF they are telling the truth what do they have to hide?

How do you explain 20 foot round round in the side of Pentagon?

Where is the wreckage? WHERE are the engines???????
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There was no wreckage and there was no engines because a 757 did NOT hit the Pentagon. Sorry, can't fit a beast like that into a 16-foot hole.

I'm thinking...cruise missile. Doesn't defy any law of phsyics either.

Used to make my living working on commercial airplanes. Even when a starboard engine caught fire once, it didn't explode. Pilots pressed the fire retardant switch, end of story. The fire was contained and extinguished.

Av (aviation) gas didn't bring down the WTC towers. Impossible. Latest round of evidence comes from Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth. These guys are licensed professionals. Another site: Pilots For 9/11 Truth. These guys are licensed professionals. They fly the heavies.

Now who are you going to believe?

If you want a conspiracy theory, believe what the government tells you. Now THAT'S a conspiracy.

Hang 'em high - the lying bastards.
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ah, here comes the Queen Shill... G House;
explain to me the passport issue.... how
is it it escaped unscathed... a piece of paper...
flying out of an exploding plane... landed on the ground
UNSCATHED... conveniently for the "investigators" to find
yet could not find the black boxes at ground zero, supposedly, when theyre designed to never be lost?


Why?

It's all been explained many times over.

YOU PEOPLE just keep repeating misconceptions and outright stupidity over and over again to try to make shit stick to the wall.

Really tired of it all.

Go believe whatever the hell you want.

Doesn't make it true though.

One interesting FACT though.

Professionals that believe so-called 911 truth when expressed as a percentage of all professionals is pretty damn close to the percentage of the population known to be clinically insane.

Of course the percentage in the general population might be just a bit higher but that's covered by the just plain stupid and gullible.
 Quoting: G. House


So what caused the "Rivers of Molten Metal"?
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Of course Jet fuel can't melt steel, no matter how much fuel you use and how long you let it burn for. So where did the "Rivers of Molten metal" in the basements of all three buildings come from? This is the question they refuse to address because they can't answer it.
Anyone out there that believes the official version of 911 like to answer that?
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Any fuel, jet fuel or not, that can burn at a high enough temperature can melt steel. Its simple thermodynamics. Whether jet fuel can melt steel depends on its compmosition, and if it can burn at a high enough temperature. Different types of steel melt at different temperatures. Solid steel, which is usually an allow of steel and carbon burns at 1300c (2400F). By adding different other metals, can raise or lower the melting point. Jet fuel burns at about 1750F, which is not hot enough to melt most steel alloys, but at temperatures that high, most steel alloys will be seriously weakened, enough that they will loose their strength and bend.
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The issue is not whether or not jet fuel can melt steel, the issue is what brought down WTC 7?

Will a building that is purportedly dAmaged enough to collapse, BUT HAS NO DAMAGE AT ALL ON ONE SIDE, collapse symmetrically, or would it tip over toward the damaged side? Decide for yourself, then look at this video and tell me, did WTC 7 collapse from fire damage or controlled demolition?

[link to www.bollyn.com]
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The issue is not whether or not jet fuel can melt steel, the issue is what brought down WTC 7?

Will a building that is purportedly dAmaged enough to collapse, BUT HAS NO DAMAGE AT ALL ON ONE SIDE, collapse symmetrically, or would it tip over toward the damaged side? Decide for yourself, then look at this video and tell me, did WTC 7 collapse from fire damage or controlled demolition?

[link to www.bollyn.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 338160


The cause of collapse of WTCs 1 and 2 was said to have been structural weakening and the weight of the upper stories collapsing onto the undamaged floors below.

But what caused WTC 7 to collapse from the bottom up on the undamaged side shown in the video? There were no fires and no major damage on that side.
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...then what material is a jet engine made of that it can withstand the heat of constant ignition? Honest question, I'm just curious.
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Don't you realize that you may be sacrificing your life for posting this???
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Of course Jet fuel can't melt steel, no matter how much fuel you use and how long you let it burn for. So where did the "Rivers of Molten metal" in the basements of all three buildings come from? This is the question they refuse to address because they can't answer it.
Anyone out there that believes the official version of 911 like to answer that?



Any fuel, jet fuel or not, that can burn at a high enough temperature can melt steel. Its simple thermodynamics. Whether jet fuel can melt steel depends on its compmosition, and if it can burn at a high enough temperature. Different types of steel melt at different temperatures. Solid steel, which is usually an allow of steel and carbon burns at 1300c (2400F). By adding different other metals, can raise or lower the melting point. Jet fuel burns at about 1750F, which is not hot enough to melt most steel alloys, but at temperatures that high, most steel alloys will be seriously weakened, enough that they will loose their strength and bend.
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So what caused the "Rivers of Molten Metal"
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The issue is not whether or not jet fuel can melt steel, the issue is what brought down WTC 7?

Will a building that is purportedly dAmaged enough to collapse, BUT HAS NO DAMAGE AT ALL ON ONE SIDE, collapse symmetrically, or would it tip over toward the damaged side? Decide for yourself, then look at this video and tell me, did WTC 7 collapse from fire damage or controlled demolition?

[link to www.bollyn.com]


The cause of collapse of WTCs 1 and 2 was said to have been structural weakening and the weight of the upper stories collapsing onto the undamaged floors below.

But what caused WTC 7 to collapse from the bottom up on the undamaged side shown in the video? There were no fires and no major damage on that side.
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How many fucken time do I have to tell you people!

It was Al Qaida (or however the fuck you spell it!)

And if you're wondering who they are, just look up who started this goddam organization!)

And I assure you, THEY HATE OUR FREEDOM! (And they are based in Langely, VA! Not Afghanistan.)
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even if the jet fuel was 1500 degrees the hottest it can burn it wouldn't melt the steel. oh and the steel was covered in concrete and a fire resistant insulation to prevent such weakening from a fire and the main supports for the towers were in the center of the building and both planes hit the sides of the towers not the centers so they should not have "pancaked". people have been brain washed by the medias propagenda. most Americans are just sheepel.
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and to the idiot who said alqida did it yeah i think they were involved but i thing what happend was one of our cia opperatives went to bin ladin and said hey we have a job for some of ur guys but make sure they come from a friendly nation to the us. we will issue visas to them we just need names. the money was exchanged and you know the rest.

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