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the truth about reincarnation

 
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Suppose you decide to reincarnate, which in fact does not happen from a higher-dimensional perspective: your memory, your earthly personality is suddenly gone. It's not you anymore. Does it make a difference for you? No. It's not you anymore. That is why it's completely irrelevant to talk about reincarnation when your current personality and memory are "erased" in the process.
 Quoting: gus 762059

1.) never say "in fact" on this topic, unless you've been dead (possible, I can accept that).

2.) consciously erased, yes. But what about the subconscious? This may inform the conscious mind with reference to past life experience. Only the ego erased, but we are much more than our ego-mind. That higher-self I hear people mentioning - that IS you, but not the top of the ladder, which is Everyone and everything as one simultanaiety. This may remember everything - even that which the individual consciously forgets - too much memory would erase the possibility of feeling the need to learn new lessons by experiencing the illusion of reality. We need some reason to keep playing the game or we would never wake up in a new born vessel. We need the illusion of limits to explore our limitless self - that one ultimate self - God - what have you.
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YAndobiez, everything that you say is not wrong and does not contradict my theory about reincarnation. The difference is that I'm giving more accurate information about a complex subject, while you are just stating the obvious (for me at least) that everything is one and everything is interconnected. OK, this is 100% right, but how EXACTLY everyone is ONE and how exactly reincarnation works in this Oneness? You are seeing the Light/Truth up ahead and you are taking it for granted. I usually like to know the details, build an accurate theory/model for them and communicate the results. Of course that I could be wrong in my theories, because direct experience is more valuable than mere explanation. However, from a scientific point of view, a wrong theory is better than no theory. It was a succession of wrong/bad theories that led me to find an accurate theory of everything. This theory allows me to delve into the various models of how Creation works and explain them to people.

Now I realize that speaking as an authority in a forum like this brings suspicion, anger etc.. I'm no authority in reincarnation, but I'm no ignorant too. But I 'm tired of hearing that "no one knows the truth", "you can't be certain". Well, all I will say is : stop limiting yourselves! I'm not asking for you to believe in what I'm saying. Research this information for yourself, and if needed, see for yourself. People that have seen this stuff for themselves know more than I do, but they usually don't bother studying/explaining their experiences. This is the difference.
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lets say we are all experiencing simultaneous incarnations. this would easily explain free will as one incarnation may have been identical until you made a choice causing a split in the paths that each incarnation takes. should you choose to be born male or female? born today or tomorrow? this mate over that one? there would be infinite other incarnations that you could experience in this dimension/time-line alone. take this concept and apply it to everyone you know or knew going back to the first man and woman and beyond and you can see just how entangled we all really are. this could also explain deja vu being that momentary realization of another incarnation in which you are at the exact same place/thought. reincarnation for the purpose of learning under this scenario is absolutely unnecessary as you will have made every choice possible in all of your incarnations. remember choice happens in the mind consciously and unconsciously and does not necessarily equal action. we can open or close paths for our lives to take based on what we think about alone. sounding like "The Secret"? probably because it really is.
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omg. so i just typed all that. then i found this thread explaining oh so much better what i was trying to say. Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.
please read it you will not be disappointed. if i was a religious nut i would say that it was "confirmation" but i know better. it really is.
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lets say we are all experiencing simultaneous incarnations. this would easily explain free will as one incarnation may have been identical until you made a choice causing a split in the paths that each incarnation takes. should you choose to be born male or female? born today or tomorrow? this mate over that one? there would be infinite other incarnations that you could experience in this dimension/time-line alone. take this concept and apply it to everyone you know or knew going back to the first man and woman and beyond and you can see just how entangled we all really are. this could also explain deja vu being that momentary realization of another incarnation in which you are at the exact same place/thought. reincarnation for the purpose of learning under this scenario is absolutely unnecessary as you will have made every choice possible in all of your incarnations. remember choice happens in the mind consciously and unconsciously and does not necessarily equal action. we can open or close paths for our lives to take based on what we think about alone. sounding like "The Secret"? probably because it really is.
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That is a very good way to see it, yes. That our multiple incarnations represent the choices made by our Higher Self. Each choice creates a new incarnation.
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the apostles believed, your christ knew it was real, and your bible even has scriptures that back it up!!

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That still doesn't make it real.
Just say NO to reincarnation, best advice I can give you.
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the apostles believed, your christ knew it was real, and your bible even has scriptures that back it up!!


That still doesn't make it real.
Just say NO to reincarnation, best advice I can give you.
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I didn't say I agree with it, but it is the reality of this world!!

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empathy is for me the final proof
how would i learn to love life and humanity as a whole in 31 years ?

souls respects to creation are transfered only if attached ego allows it (you, scared or lucky = 2 neuronal trees)
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I can't read all this but did anyone say "Who gives a flying fuck!"

They are ALL just guesses. You won't know until the end and even then you may not know. Forget about it. Lead a good life. How hard can it be?!
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I can't read all this but did anyone say "Who gives a flying fuck!"

They are ALL just guesses. You won't know until the end and even then you may not know. Forget about it. Lead a good life. How hard can it be?!
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yes, your analogy is accurate. I think that alternate choices made by the incarnation her-himself do not necessarily constitute another incarnation. they are more like potentialities branching out from a main incarnational vessel from which the Higher Self learns. these potentialities only add up to the influx of information coming from the main vessel.

to access all of your concurrent / parallel experiences right now would blow the shit out of you. you would not be able to take the enormous influx of information. you will slowly 'remember' what you already know as you consciousness grows even beyond this life. then you will finally become your higher self (who is a 6th density being or higher) who happens to occupy the vantage point you are describing.

have you seen this video?

Thread: Bashar- 3rd 4th 5th Dimension, Choosing Future & Past Lives Consciously
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Good thread. Thanks Gus! hf
We are but eternal spiritual beings living a temporary human experience.
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9teen.47™ --do the research before you post. Jesus himself believed in reincarnation! And taught it as well!


If you mean that we will be resurrected to go to either heaven or hell, then fair enough.

But if you are refering to multiple lives here on earth WRONG. And please quote directly from the bible if that is in fact the case.


Hbr 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
 Quoting: 9teen.47™


Talking about a different kind of death
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Reincarnation is a Satanic/Buddhist lie straight from the pits of hell. There is one life and after this the Judgement. Here is the biblical story of the rich man and Lazarus. The Trap...

[link to www.chick.com]
 Quoting: 9teen.47™

Knowing your charecter, I'd say that you will be judged harshly.
I feel like pleading for mercy on your behalf.
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Suppose you decide to reincarnate, which in fact does not happen from a higher-dimensional perspective: your memory, your earthly personality is suddenly gone. It's not you anymore. Does it make a difference for you? No. It's not you anymore. That is why it's completely irrelevant to talk about reincarnation when your current personality and memory are "erased" in the process.

1.) never say "in fact" on this topic, unless you've been dead (possible, I can accept that).

2.) consciously erased, yes. But what about the subconscious? This may inform the conscious mind with reference to past life experience. Only the ego erased, but we are much more than our ego-mind. That higher-self I hear people mentioning - that IS you, but not the top of the ladder, which is Everyone and everything as one simultanaiety. This may remember everything - even that which the individual consciously forgets - too much memory would erase the possibility of feeling the need to learn new lessons by experiencing the illusion of reality. We need some reason to keep playing the game or we would never wake up in a new born vessel. We need the illusion of limits to explore our limitless self - that one ultimate self - God - what have you.
 Quoting: Yandoobiez 761786


the memories are not erased, they are hidden in the amygdala. to open the amygdala you need to connect to unconditional love (higher-self), activate your 3rd eye and source codes in DNA. the process of remembering is very dark and hard on the mind. it can cripple the unprepared.. you have to fully conquer fear and paranoia in all of their forms. the process involves reliving emotional energies, seperating them from your thoughts/mind, transmuting and healing them. it raises your frequency at the same time. being connected to your higher-self and having severed the attachment to the ego (sensual desire/greeed) means you are free from rebirth and able to choose your next life. once you've done this you are free from the rebirth cycle on earth and qualify to be reborn on a better world in a higher frequency. the higher the frequency the more common sense and decency, and more advanced technology there is in the society/world. the next worlds after earth in order of frequency are pleiades, sirius, arcturus and nibiru. I remember 4 past lives, 2 on earth, 1 on sirius and 1 on arcturus. the system is exactly the same on each planet.
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Concurrent thoughts/memories of past lives will send you to the loony bin faster than you can say 'Obama has resigned the presidency'.

I'm pretty certain our sub-conscious protects us from that ever happening, suffice to say the occasional memory bleed that filters through, which has happened to many of us I'm sure..
We are but eternal spiritual beings living a temporary human experience.
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hey gus. nice try. wheres the back-up to your story.
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How the heck can any of this type of spiritual speculation be backed up?

IMO, it's just nice to consider the possibilities.

hf
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When the shit hits the fan and the end is quite nigh,
will you cry out to heaven? Will you lay down and die?

Not me, my dear ones. This is my sacred life. To no one or no thing I'll surrender.

For how does one know where when dead he will go, or if sweet mother Earth she'll remember?
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:bee1:

Reincarnation is a Satanic/Buddhist lie straight from the pits of hell. There is one life and after this the Judgement. Here is the biblical story of the rich man and Lazarus. The Trap...

[link to www.chick.com]
 Quoting: 9teen.47™


Then how do you reconcile this:

And the disciples asked him, saying, "Why then do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?"

But he answered them and said, "Elijah indeed is to come and will restore all things. But I say to you that Elijah has come already, and they did not know him, but did to him whatever they wished. So also shall the Son of Man suffer at their hand."

Then the disciples understood that he had spoken of John the Baptist." (Matt. 17:10-13)

If one human being (and nowhere in the Holy Bible does it state that John the Baptist or Elijah were anything but human) is allowed to reincarnate, as this statement from Jesus makes clear , then why not 2? 22? 13 billion?

The answer is, you can't reconcile your Paul/Saul of Tarsus-influenced terroristic hijacking of Jesus Christ's words - there is no such special rule that only allows certain "special" humans to live more than one life.

Reincarnation is simply the process of being "born-again", and "resurrected", the central tenets of Christianity. Instead of attacking reincarnation, you should be EMBRACING the grace of God in giving us more than one chance to get it right!

I pray for you my sister that the evilness of Paulian heresy will one day stop it's demonical possession of your beliefs.
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AS ABOVE --SO BELOW
Star from Diamond

For every Root in Hyperspace,
there is a Branch in Space: a Star.

For every Branch in the Mind,
there is a Root in Hyperspace: a Concept.

For every Branch in the Tree,
there is a Root in the Earth: a Family.

For every Root in the Earth,
there is a Branch in Time: a Person.
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AS ABOVE --SO BELOW
Star from Diamond

For every Root in Hyperspace,
there is a Branch in Space: a Star.

For every Branch in the Mind,
there is a Root in Hyperspace: a Concept.

For every Branch in the Tree,
there is a Root in the Earth: a Family.

For every Root in the Earth,
there is a Branch in Time: a Person.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1078147

Interested in learning more? Listen to Fintan Dunne's audio on how our incarnations are structured like a tree, with each soul becoming more and more diversified as it piles on the incarnations, until we eventually are literally having multiple physical incarnations appearing in the same family. He uses examples of popular stars to help us visualize the process, i.e., Jeff, Beau and Lloyd Bridges.

[link to www.treeincarnation.com]
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The one thing we all have in common is what we call consciousness or awareness. If the know-it-all's here can give me a definition of what consciousness IS and why consciousness is limited to one incarnation then I'll listen. To me, reincarnation IS the same as being reborn in "heaven" or back to earth...what's the difference? Both are planes of existence.
People who disbelieve reincarnation (based on NO real KNOWLEDGE) make This life a mundane and dull thing to endure until some theoretical "afterlife" , but actually This Life Now is Just as amazing and improbable as any afterlife.
The Nac Mac Feegle believe that This is heaven, that they died already and came here where there are so many joys, so no worries.
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I still reckon reincarnation gets us no further up the evolutionary scale. Earth is no spiritual school where you get rewarded for doing good deeds in one life, hoping to come back as a Saint in the next. Karma is a lie.

All that is happening is nothing more than recycling, to keep you in this Reality Trap/Matrix, and most of you aren't even aware of it. We are all in it.

The 3D Matrix/Realm has so many layers of fabrication/deception, including the astral and mental planes - which are still held within the Matrix.

Xen talks about dialog with Pleiadians, Arcturians, Niburians etc. All good and well, but they too are part of the Matrix. According to the Wingmakers Sovereign Integral material, it was a certain Annunaki King that created this reality.

As an analogy, watch the first Matrix movie and perhaps also Cube.

Read the Project Camelot interview with Wingmaker's James to get a better grip on the situation. This was recently pointed out in Maggadors thread.
We are but eternal spiritual beings living a temporary human experience.
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We are 'trapped' here on Earth? Not really, I think this kind of theory is mostly rooted on victim mentality. Here on Earth, we're all our own prisons, we are each all our own wardens and we do our own time here. Yet not many can handle the lingering responsibility over their spiritual choices, and so they prefer to believe in theories such as these that will lessen the seriousness of their situation by ascribing responsibility to outside malevolent agents. When you assign your life's responsibility to another entity, you are simply empowering that entity to take responsibly over your life. This in itself is precisely the reason why outside malevolent agents come into existence, since they are a direct reflection of our lack of personal responsibility as spiritual beings. We literally manifest our own prison and prison guards.

Reincarnation is a misconception. We already possess eternal life as spirits; this life gets further divided in cycles of evolution, many 'lives' in the physical sense. But these cycles are nested holographically. It is not a linear one-dimensional pattern through which you 'evolve', it's a multidimensional matrix of evolution where you assume several personalities at once. Obviously there is a linear component to it all -- reincarnation theory isn't entirely "wrong", but it doesn't really feel that way in practice. By the end of this 'life' cycle that you are currently experiencing, you'll eventually wake up to a higher personality / self that you had once forgotten. Trust me, it won't feel like a succession of events; instead it will feel like waking up from a dream, like when you dream of a life-long story only to realize that you were asleep only for a few minutes. You are actually a higher being right now incarnating many "lives" at once. It's a parallel, non-linear process.
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Reincarnation with loss of memory would imply in complete lack of free-will and purpose in our existence.
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There is complete lack of free will. The only choice you have is to WAKE UP RIGHT NOW, or keep believing the delusion is real.

That's the only "control" you have. "You" have absolutely no control at all over anything. Nothing.
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Reincarnation with loss of memory would imply in complete lack of free-will and purpose in our existence.
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There is complete lack of free will. The only choice you have is to WAKE UP RIGHT NOW, or keep believing the delusion is real.

That's the only "control" you have. "You" have absolutely no control at all over anything. Nothing.
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I don't disagree with you. In practice our free will is limited and very much illusory, yes. The only choice we have is to renegate this entire situation right now , not later.

But allow me take this further.

Freewill is one of these paradoxical concepts: in itself it can give birth to determinism, and then determinism can rise to such a point that it seems to limit/control our free-will. It's like when a son overcomes his father, but even the son will be a father some day.

It's like the Yin Yang: One leads to the other in cyclical fashion; they both coexist, and one is always contained in the other. Free-will and determinism coexist and cooperate with each other.

So the question is, who came first, free will or determinism? There is no proper answer because they are one and the same. Free-willed choices lead to rules, and then rules lead to new revolutionary choices. Simple as that. Free will always wins in the end though. Everything has to begin (and end!) with a free-willed, spontaneous choice.

When I say that we choose to be here, I'm being very generic about it. This choice of 'ours' is probably on a much higher level than humans can interpret with their senses. It's a spiritual choice, and so it's very abstract. It doesn't make sense to most logically minded people.
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grizzy REINCARNATION IS A LIE. There is no second chance. Here is the illustrated biblical story of the rich man and Lazarus.

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DO you understand? Free will DOES exist, but the only manner to EXPRESS it is through the VESSEL of a deterministic WORLD.

The world is deterministic. Our actions are deterministic, even our minds are deterministic. It's only at the innermost core of who we are that free-willed choices can be made to 'contaminate' and warp the rules of the deterministic world, little by little.

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