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I am Worshipful Master of Freemasons - ask me a question
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 761187 (OP)
 Canada
9/3/2009 1:37 AM | | Re: I am Worshipful Master of Freemasons - ask me a question | Quote |
Do you worship Lucifer the light?Who is the true God of Masonry?Horus? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 272140
No I do not worship Lucifer the light. There is only one God. Different people perceive Him in their own unique way, and call him by different names. Masonry does not specify how you are to perceive or name Him. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 754718
 United States
9/3/2009 1:44 AM | | Re: I am Worshipful Master of Freemasons - ask me a question | Quote |
OP, as a fellow freemason you are wasting your time. GLPers fall for the following anti-masonc conspiracies and never move on from these beliefs, trust me I've tried showing them reason:
1) They believe that degree numbers indicate "rank" or "authority" and that there are "levels" in freemasonry. In reality, the entire point of the fraternity is that all members are equal. Degree numbers mean nothing, but this crowd will absolutely not believe this.
2) They are obsessed with quoting the Leo Taxil hoax. See all the posts about Pike claiming lucifer is God - even though the Taxil hoax has been debunked for a hundred years, they refuse to do the research and believe it was real.
3) They place freemasonry in some sort of fictional global cabal hell bent on world domination. Nothing persuades them that the truth is its just a society based on esoteric philosophy and charity. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 754718
United States
9/3/2009 1:47 AM | | Re: I am Worshipful Master of Freemasons - ask me a question | Quote |
Oh, I forgot the last one:
4) GLPers are obsessed with believing there is some secret "God of masonry" that masons worship. They absolutely refuse to believe that - much like people at graduation ceremonies have 1 prayer in the name of God and that God represents the different God of every person. They think the GAOTU is some sort of different deity than whatever religion the mason already believes in. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 762084
United States
9/3/2009 1:47 AM | | Re: I am Worshipful Master of Freemasons - ask me a question | Quote |
too bad the OP is a poser |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 754718
United States
9/3/2009 1:51 AM | | Re: I am Worshipful Master of Freemasons - ask me a question | Quote |
too bad the OP is a poser Quoting: Anonymous Coward 762084
Nope, hes quite real. Being a WM in freemasonry can be extremely easy to get depending on how bad your lodge needs officers. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 762084
United States
9/3/2009 1:53 AM | | Re: I am Worshipful Master of Freemasons - ask me a question | Quote |
if so, its pathetic |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 754718
United States
9/3/2009 1:55 AM | | Re: I am Worshipful Master of Freemasons - ask me a question | Quote |
if so, its pathetic Quoting: Anonymous Coward 762084
Not really. It just shows that you would rather believe lies about freemasonry than the truth..which is quite mundane. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 755205
United States
9/3/2009 3:33 AM | | Re: I am Worshipful Master of Freemasons - ask me a question | Quote |
too bad the OP is a poser Quoting: Anonymous Coward 762084
He's not a poser. The sad thing is that certain types of people are more likely to believe real posers with crazy statements. Some posers have fleeced the flock with fairy tales told for a price. You can buy their books and tapes, which are as truthful as a Jack Chick comic. |
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?!
User ID: 735657
United States
9/3/2009 3:35 AM | | Re: I am Worshipful Master of Freemasons - ask me a question | Quote |
I know you have lots of questions and abuse you wish to hurl, so here is your chance. Quoting: Worshipful Master 761187
How gay are you?! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 755205
United States
9/3/2009 3:52 AM | | Re: I am Worshipful Master of Freemasons - ask me a question | Quote |
if so, its pathetic
Not really. It just shows that you would rather believe lies about freemasonry than the truth..which is quite mundane. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 754718
I know both Freemasons and fundamentalists. I "get" why some of the latter believe the worst about the former. I've met nice people from both groups. The sad thing is that some conservative Christians are naive in that they don't question what they're told. "Former Masons" and "occult experts" can con them with the ease of an adult snatching candy from a baby. Often, you'll see "former leaders" make a living by selling stories to people willing to believe the most bizarre things without question. They should remember that Christ did not teach us to be gullible.
The other reason that people are willing to believe the worst about Masons is the fact that some groups, who were guided by the structure of Freemasonic groups or took the title, were indeed nefarious. The Illuminati, the KKK, the NOI, organized crime groups, satanists, some anarchists and some communists come to mind. However, most Freemasons are good individuals who don't share the aims of the organizations that perverted their aims. Accusing the regular Freemason of agreeing with the subversives is just not fair. It's like saying that all Christians handle snakes, belong to white supremacist groups, support leftist liberation theology, agree with the Inquisition, agree with Hal Lindsey and are Branch Davdians. That's certainly not the case, but it would be just as correct as saying that all Freemasonic groups are the same. I hope that made sense. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 746761
United States
9/3/2009 4:55 AM | | Re: I am Worshipful Master of Freemasons - ask me a question | Quote |
How many people will die of swine flu?
Who is the vilest Mason that you know? Has that person committed murder?
What will be the catalyst for World War 3?
When will the dollar collapse?
Would you commit suicide if a leader of Masonry told you to?
Would you commit murder?
Are you able to see auras?
Would you agree that the Freemasons have a Zionistic agenda?
Are a lot of Freemasons Jews? (Just a general answer, I know the question is broad.)
Are you afraid of God?
What was your major in college?
What is the best country to be in when WW3 occurs?
Would you say that there are Masons who haven't truly understood Masonic Doctrine?
Do you believe classical physics?
On a scale from 0/1000 how happy are you with your life right now? |
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Sumo
User ID: 645829
United States
9/3/2009 4:58 AM
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I know you have lots of questions and abuse you wish to hurl, so here is your chance. Quoting: Worshipful Master 761187
Not really, actually, could care less.
"All I know is that I don't know." |
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9teen.47™ 
Time is short.
User ID: 762132
 United Kingdom
9/3/2009 5:00 AM
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too bad the OP is a poser
He's not a poser. The sad thing is that certain types of people are more likely to believe real posers with crazy statements. Some posers have fleeced the flock with fairy tales told for a price. You can buy their books and tapes, which are as truthful as a Jack Chick comic. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 755205
 Did someone say Chick illustrated religious tracts.
Here is one about witches who poison children and their awful fate. Freemasons who die in their sins will share the same fate. And you will find out 755205 to your eternal anguish that I was not lying, if you carry on as you are. The Trick...
[link to www.chick.com]
Zec 12:3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.
Psa 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, [and] all the nations that forget God.
STOCK UP NOW. You should have at least 6 months worth of basics for every member of your household. Stay away from crowds when trouble starts, do not forget water storage, tobacco is worth more than gold or silver, and be kind to hungry children. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 464699
 Netherlands
9/3/2009 5:09 AM | | Re: I am Worshipful Master of Freemasons - ask me a question | Quote |
OP, as a fellow freemason you are wasting your time. GLPers fall for the following anti-masonc conspiracies and never move on from these beliefs, trust me I've tried showing them reason:
1) They believe that degree numbers indicate "rank" or "authority" and that there are "levels" in freemasonry. In reality, the entire point of the fraternity is that all members are equal. Degree numbers mean nothing, but this crowd will absolutely not believe this. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 754718
Hi, I'm a mason too(Dutch, 2nd degree) and I agree with what you say, a 'normal' discussion about freemasonry is very hard here..., but there are those who you can talk to, and who will actually listen, don't give up on that:)
But, I do not agree with your first point, because the first year I really felt and was reassured that the freemasons have no dogma's.
But when I got to the ceremony for the second degree(the one below master, I'm Dutch so I don't know what wording you use for this), AND in that ceremony I heard stuff like:
'You are now like the children of ISRAEL, as they followed the star through the dessert'.
That struck me blind and almost made me vomit!
This is NOT what they profess to be!
I quit.
I will not be thrown on one pile with religious dogma's that have absolutely no meaning to me.
And I say they lied and are too STOOPID to see their own shortcomings/misdirected beliefs.
So, yes, they are men of goodwill, and do many good works.
But their ceremonies and beliefs are retarded.
And finally, It is NOT true that everybody is equal.
Thay will never tell you anything above your 'rank', so that's simply not true, or at least not true for as far as I have been in the lodge and conversed with them.
Simply NOT true. They hide things for you. |
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G.D.I.
User ID: 718396
 Egypt
9/3/2009 5:10 AM | | Re: I am Worshipful Master of Freemasons - ask me a question | Quote |
how far up the tree are you? |
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?!
User ID: 735657
United States
9/3/2009 5:13 AM | | Re: I am Worshipful Master of Freemasons - ask me a question | Quote |
how far up the tree are you? Quoting: G.D.I. 718396
The gay tree? I asked him that too but he refuses to respond.
Shills are easy to scare.
I call  on this thread |
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WP
User ID: 760613
United States
9/3/2009 5:44 AM | | Re: I am Worshipful Master of Freemasons - ask me a question | Quote |
I know you have lots of questions and abuse you wish to hurl, so here is your chance.
Have you done the initiation ritual yet?
Im talkin about the one where you pull out your wiener and
your brotheren look at it, jerk it once or twice, to show
trust among you all?
As gay as this is, its an actual ceremony. Totally not kidding! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 747034
There is also a little initiation that US NAVY sailors that are sub mariners do that is also similar. So what?
What is your problem with the male body or any sort of male affection, touching curiosity? That is another product of your Puritan American indoctrination.
What if all of the secret societies that GLP has animosity for are actually the good guys? You are all so quick to follow. Sad |
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WP
User ID: 760613
United States
9/3/2009 5:51 AM | | Re: I am Worshipful Master of Freemasons - ask me a question | Quote |
I will also say this: in the universe there is positive and negative. In every living thing, there is also this positive and negative, dark and light or good and bad if you will. Any organization, is made up of people in this universe who contain that same positive and negative influence.
We all are taught to be unbalanced in this positive and negative charge within us, also called the yin and the yang. An organization that represents darkness is going to have some people that are not quite so dark. An organization that represents light is obviously going to have some bad seeds.
Nothing, can be inheritanly good or bad........just operating on a certain wavelink or another. Just like there are bad people, there are going to be bad FreeMasons, I would assume. Just like people......huam beigns with positive and negativity living in them, their respective lofges and actions even are going to reflect the positivity or negativity of the group.
I know I am not expressing this in the best terms, but I'll say this.........go within yourself to find these truths. Forget what you have been taught. You have to tune into the light to find out what it is all about. Meditation is one way, I have learned.
It's complicated, this world we live in......this mission we are on. But really, the only way to get through it is to navigate yourself along the proper currents. Give of yourself when you can. |
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WP
User ID: 760613
United States
9/3/2009 5:51 AM | | Re: I am Worshipful Master of Freemasons - ask me a question | Quote |
I will also say this: in the universe there is positive and negative. In every living thing, there is also this positive and negative, dark and light or good and bad if you will. Any organization, is made up of people in this universe who contain that same positive and negative influence.
We all are taught to be unbalanced in this positive and negative charge within us, also called the yin and the yang. An organization that represents darkness is going to have some people that are not quite so dark. An organization that represents light is obviously going to have some bad seeds.
Nothing, can be inheritanly good or bad........just operating on a certain wavelink or another. Just like there are bad people, there are going to be bad FreeMasons, I would assume. Just like people......huam beigns with positive and negativity living in them, their respective lofges and actions even are going to reflect the positivity or negativity of the group.
I know I am not expressing this in the best terms, but I'll say this.........go within yourself to find these truths. Forget what you have been taught. You have to tune into the light to find out what it is all about. Meditation is one way, I have learned.
It's complicated, this world we live in......this mission we are on. But really, the only way to get through it is to navigate yourself along the proper currents. Give of yourself when you can. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 760223
 Spain
9/3/2009 5:52 AM | | Re: I am Worshipful Master of Freemasons - ask me a question | Quote |
Some people here are so crazy, closed minded and think they already know all there is to know.
I prefer to keep an open mind and learn as much as I can about many different subjects. I actually hope I am still learning when I die because if we actually know everything we want to know then life would become so dull and boring.
OP - is there anywhere I can read about the black and white chequerboard? I've heard all the stories of it representing light/dark, good/bad, day/night, etc, but I would like to dig a little deeper. Thank you. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 748933
Canada
9/3/2009 5:58 AM | | Re: I am Worshipful Master of Freemasons - ask me a question | Quote |
I know you have lots of questions and abuse you wish to hurl, so here is your chance. Quoting: Worshipful Master 761187
Have you yet acquired the perfect emotional capability (balance) and have you exercised your "balance" figuratively and literally?
I do not know much about Freemasonry per say, however it seems to me from an outsider's point of view and an untrained eye that it is all about archiving the perfect balance in it all? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 754718
United States
9/3/2009 6:20 AM | | Re: I am Worshipful Master of Freemasons - ask me a question | Quote |
Hi, I'm a mason too(Dutch, 2nd degree) and I agree with what you say, a 'normal' discussion about freemasonry is very hard here..., but there are those who you can talk to, and who will actually listen, don't give up on that:) Quoting: Anonymous Coward 464699
No, you are not a mason. Heres how we know that:
But, I do not agree with your first point, because the first year I really felt and was reassured that the freemasons have no dogma's.
But when I got to the ceremony for the second degree(the one below master, I'm Dutch so I don't know what wording you use for this), AND in that ceremony I heard stuff like:
'You are now like the children of ISRAEL, as they followed the star through the dessert'.
That struck me blind and almost made me vomit!
This is NOT what they profess to be! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 464699
As that line appears NO where in the ritual, you are not a freemason. Perhaps you joined a fakemason group? Lots of people pretend to be real freemasons.
Real freemasonry has no religious dogma, period.
And finally, It is NOT true that everybody is equal.
Thay will never tell you anything above your 'rank', so that's simply not true, or at least not true for as far as I have been in the lodge and conversed with them.
Simply NOT true. They hide things for you. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 464699
Completely made up. The entire point of freemasonry is that members meet on the level. There is no rank - elected officers are elected for 1 year terms and then go back to being normal members. There is nothing hidden. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 754718
United States
9/3/2009 6:22 AM | | Re: I am Worshipful Master of Freemasons - ask me a question | Quote |
Some people here are so crazy, closed minded and think they already know all there is to know.
I prefer to keep an open mind and learn as much as I can about many different subjects. I actually hope I am still learning when I die because if we actually know everything we want to know then life would become so dull and boring.
OP - is there anywhere I can read about the black and white chequerboard? I've heard all the stories of it representing light/dark, good/bad, day/night, etc, but I would like to dig a little deeper. Thank you. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 760223
Depends what you are looking for. You have the ritual explanation correct, but anything beyond that is a interpretation left to the individual mason. For the basic stuff on what the board means try something like the book "Is it true what they say about freemasonry?" |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 464699
Netherlands
9/3/2009 7:10 AM | | Re: I am Worshipful Master of Freemasons - ask me a question | Quote |
"No, you are not a mason. Heres how we know that:"
YOU don't know shite about me or what I do, LOL, what a joke you are, and you call yourself a mason??
The Great Geometer saw you type that to me..., oh full of yourself as you are.
Did you know another name for him is The Great CORRECTOR?
He'll 'correct' you....soon.
If I tell you a story i know to be true cos i lived it, you are not the one to come to me and say what i am or not, simply because you lived it otherwise.., that's very judge'mental' of you.
I came here in good and meant no harm, just wanted to say what I experienced, and this is what I get?
And now I have to proove myself to you by showing my papers and such?
arrogant, but exactly as i know the masons, blind and full of themselves. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 464699
Netherlands
9/3/2009 7:12 AM | | Re: I am Worshipful Master of Freemasons - ask me a question | Quote |
"No, you are not a mason. Heres how we know that:"
YOU don't know shite about me or what I do, LOL, what a joke you are, and you call yourself a mason??
The Great Geometer saw you type that to me..., oh full of yourself as you are.
Did you know another name for him is The Great CORRECTOR?
He'll 'correct' you....soon.
If I tell you a story i know to be true cos i lived it, you are not the one to come to me and say what i am or not, simply because you lived it otherwise.., that's very judge'mental' of you.
I came here in good and meant no harm, just wanted to say what I experienced, and this is what I get?
And now I have to proove myself to you by showing my papers and such?
arrogant, but exactly as i know the masons, blind and full of themselves. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 464699
btw, I came to you from a lodge founded in 1832...., and you call me a fakemason?
LOL |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 709604
United States
9/3/2009 7:20 AM | | Re: I am Worshipful Master of Freemasons - ask me a question | Quote |
QUEER'S THREAD
QUEER'S THREAD
QUEER'S THREAD
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 693979
United States
9/3/2009 7:58 AM | | Re: I am Worshipful Master of Freemasons - ask me a question | Quote |
To what degree is the Masonic organization involved in social engineering?
Also, I've heard of the so called "Great work" and was wondering if, upon its completion, it would have the key to this? :earthlock:
It's been missing for so long and many of us cannot take the pain and strain of it for much longer.
Thank you.
Masons contribute their time and energies to such things as hospitals, education, childrens welfare. Are these the kinds of social engineering you are referring to?
The "Great Work" is the work of building a man of moral strength and character. The lessons of Freemasonry are individual and can only be assessed by the individual and his community. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 761187
At a lower level this might be their agenda, but as I said before... Many elite have been Freemasons and all most all of them have ever done is conquer and murder. Do you deny this? You are avoiding the question and/or confusing the issue.
And to tell me my sources are wrong is not true because all one has to do is look at current events and see that the masons are involved in some very dark and destructive agendas. |
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Slartybartfast
User ID: 734392
United Kingdom
9/3/2009 9:08 AM | | Re: I am Worshipful Master of Freemasons - ask me a question | Quote |
So many opinions,so little time, before the great work is no longer clandestine.
Behind the cloak of psuedo-philanthropy and army of lower level good citizenry,
the shadows hide.
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Written at the turn of the 20th century.
"Behind the division of humanity stands those Enlightened Ones, whose right and privledge it is, to watch over human evolution and to guide the destinies of men...This they do, through the implanting of ideas in the minds of the world thinkers, so that these ideas, in due time, receive recognition and eventually become controlling factors in human life.
They train the members of the New Group of World Servers in the task of changing these ideas into ideals.
These in turn become the desired objectives of the thinkers and are then often taught to the powerful middle-classes and worked up into world forms of government or religion,thus forming the basis of the new world order.
Alice Bailey Occultist author Head of the Lucis Trust
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Guiseppe Mazzini: "We form an association of brothers in all points of the globe. Yet there is one unseen
that can hardly be felt, yet it weighs on us . Whence comes it? Were is it? No one knows, ...or at least no one
tells. This association is secret even to us, the veterans of the secret societies."
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 761187 (OP)
Canada
9/3/2009 1:29 PM | | Re: I am Worshipful Master of Freemasons - ask me a question | Quote |
OP, as a fellow freemason you are wasting your time. GLPers fall for the following anti-masonc conspiracies and never move on from these beliefs, trust me I've tried showing them reason:
1) They believe that degree numbers indicate "rank" or "authority" and that there are "levels" in freemasonry. In reality, the entire point of the fraternity is that all members are equal. Degree numbers mean nothing, but this crowd will absolutely not believe this.
2) They are obsessed with quoting the Leo Taxil hoax. See all the posts about Pike claiming lucifer is God - even though the Taxil hoax has been debunked for a hundred years, they refuse to do the research and believe it was real.
3) They place freemasonry in some sort of fictional global cabal hell bent on world domination. Nothing persuades them that the truth is its just a society based on esoteric philosophy and charity. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 754718
Greetings Brother. I know. I have seen it. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 761187 (OP)
Canada
9/3/2009 1:48 PM | | Re: I am Worshipful Master of Freemasons - ask me a question | Quote |
How many people will die of swine flu? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 746761
Do you mean world wide or in one particular jurisdiction?
Who is the vilest Mason that you know? Has that person committed murder? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 746761
I know no Mason that I would describe as vile. All the ones I know are just and upright people. The only murders I am acquainted with are not Masons.
What will be the catalyst for World War 3? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 746761
It has already started.
When will the dollar collapse? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 746761
Which dollar? The NZ, AU, Singapore, US
Would you commit suicide if a leader of Masonry told you to? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 746761
No.
Would you commit murder? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 746761
Please give me your definition of murder. Different people mean different things by the word. Some people regard meat eating as murder, some people regard pre-emptive self defense as murder.
Are you able to see auras? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 746761
What is that? What does this question mean
Would you agree that the Freemasons have a Zionistic agenda? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 746761
No
Are a lot of Freemasons Jews? (Just a general answer, I know the question is broad.) Quoting: Anonymous Coward 746761
I only know 2
Are you afraid of God? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 746761
No.
What was your major in college? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 746761
Military Science
What is the best country to be in when WW3 occurs? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 746761
Papua New Guinea
Would you say that there are Masons who haven't truly understood Masonic Doctrine? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 746761
Masonry does not have doctrine, it has guide stones.
Do you believe classical physics? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 746761
Yes
On a scale from 0/1000 how happy are you with your life right now? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 746761
875 |
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