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Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

 
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Hi Choal.


The ecsys model you said we would develop in the future, is that what you mean when you said push us into the future?

As you know already, i am ready

Push away

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Hi Choal.

The ecsys model you said we would develop in the future, is that what you mean when you said push us into the future?

As you know already, i am ready

Push away

Thanks
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Yes!

The model is there already but it doesn't make sense yet. It may look interesting to some but it hasn't become part of the logic yet.

The keys are there but the car is not had.

Next version is the "steering wheel" and will include the following:

BE: The Book of Ecsys
-The Keys
-The Houses of the Elements
-The Law of 5/2 (Energy Perspective)
-A few exercises and other miscellania
EC: The Language of Ecsys
-The 66 letters of Ec
-Ec inputs and outputs
-How to think and write in Ec
-Using Ec as a mental computer
-Using Ec as a computer programming language

Additionally, an Ec game (for the web, Android, and iPad) is being being developed so that English words can be passively translated into Ec by a players of the game. It's a bit like Tetris.

A type of "artificial general consciousness" is also released.

Thanks!
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Hi Choal.


The ecsys model you said we would develop in the future, is that what you mean when you said push us into the future?

As you know already, i am ready

Push away

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Again!

This year, as you see it.

;)
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[snip, snip]

When we perceive other energies (people, objects, light, etc) we are not only perceiving the surface but calculating within their being.

This calculation is what makes the perception.

Imagine the following simple (incomplete) equation: 1+1=

You automatically know the answer without thinking about it. Some of you may even 'see' the number 2 there without my having put it there. In a way, this '2' (or sum) is what you see when you perceive of anything.

You perceive a composite of calculation so vast and simultaneous with your experience that you don't realize the nearly-impossible task being performed within every moment.

You mistake the equation for the reality.

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 Quoting: Chaol 1117976


Correction!

I meant to say, "You mistake the sum for the reality."

We interact with these sums and treat them as our environment.

The table seems hard when you knock on it, but it's not actually in 'front' of you or 'hard'. You're just interacting with the "sum" of other representations. (Or, more accurately, interacting with a sea of ecsys-type models.)

Thanks!
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OP,

Before you claim "consciousness doesn't exist," please define what exactly consciousness IS.

Because we don't know.
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Nevermind.

You mentioned ecsys and I found [link to www.ecsys.org]
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Nevermind.

You mentioned ecsys and I found [link to www.ecsys.org]
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Thanks!

I forgot that version is still out there.

It's just a stepping-stone to the next version, which is an other stepping stone to yet a later version.

However, the next version includes some tools that could be used to, for example, significantly increase your intelligence so that you will experience these later versions sooner.

It also relates the Ecsys way of thinking to the current landscape so that more advanced versions of Ecsys are released.

The "push"!
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Hi Choal,


Am i right in guessing this drip feed of info is part of the process?

Are their any exercises or prep work we can do until you release the next installment?

Thanks
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Hello!

Seeing as interest has waned in this particular forum, I want to thank everyone for engaging before I leave again (a bit longer this time).

I will probably return somewhere between August 26-September 4, 2010, as that is the next biggest nexus of probability here.

The current nexus is changing somewhat, so it will be much easier to return to whence I came now than, say, next week.

If anyone is interested in HD photos, video, and other multimedia from the world I live in, please express your interest and it will be provided.

This is only the beginning.

Good night, everyone :)

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 Quoting: chaol 183770


Hi Chaol,

Glad you're back. Have to say I got very interested in your info, studied it, applied it, then lots of bad stuff happened, then forgot about it. Some of the stuff I originally was trying to make happen, may be happening (finally) in shortly - but even if so, it has not occurred as I would have preferred it to.


In any case, perhaps the first thing to re-establish some credibility here on this forum is to clear up the cryptic codes you left right before exiting.

Thanks.
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Hi Choal,


Am i right in guessing this drip feed of info is part of the process?

Are their any exercises or prep work we can do until you release the next installment?

Thanks
 Quoting: Vegatech


Greetings!

Yes, you'd be about right in guessing that.

I can't think of any, except exercising patience! heh, just kids.
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Hello Chaol, just want to thank you for one of the most interesting threads I've ever read. However, when you say:

You could convert sound, gamma rays, and other as-yet-undiscovered waves all you want but if you don't find a new way to cultivate a culture that does not care so much about endless profits then it will be all for naught.
 Quoting: chaol 183770

How can we get rid of the parasitic oligarchy that rules this planet and refuses to allow advanced energy technologies?

How do you deal with a murderous kleptocracy (international banksters, oil companies, big pharma, military/industrial complex, etc.) that controls everything from medicine to the media?
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Hi Chaol,

Glad you're back. Have to say I got very interested in your info, studied it, applied it, then lots of bad stuff happened, then forgot about it. Some of the stuff I originally was trying to make happen, may be happening (finally) in shortly - but even if so, it has not occurred as I would have preferred it to.


In any case, perhaps the first thing to re-establish some credibility here on this forum is to clear up the cryptice codes you left right before exiting.

Thanks.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 958193


Thanks!

I'm a guy claiming to be from "an alternate universe" on an anonymous internet forum. It may be safe to say I'm not aiming for credibility :)

Let's just call it lite entertainment for now. It's probably better for the health of any message if the message itself established credibility rather than the messenger. We have only to look upon history to see an overwhelming number of examples where the messenger, to her/his dismay, overshadowed the messenger.

So let's just say that I'm just a farmer from Idaho or something, and that this is a hoax.

Those that know better, may or may not.

Unfortunately, the codes were meaningless. I didn't ascribe any value to them at the time. However, I needed to see the values that would be ascribed to them in this forum for a particular purpose. It's kind of like not being able to look directly at the quantum state of something but knowing more about its value from its effect on things. It's useful to the next version of Ecsys.

Regards.
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Hi Chaol,

Glad you're back. Have to say I got very interested in your info, studied it, applied it, then lots of bad stuff happened, then forgot about it. Some of the stuff I originally was trying to make happen, may be happening (finally) in shortly - but even if so, it has not occurred as I would have preferred it to.


In any case, perhaps the first thing to re-establish some credibility here on this forum is to clear up the cryptic codes you left right before exiting.

Thanks.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 958193


By the way!

Need any assistance with this, or could something be made more clear?

I realize some of my examples, syntax, or grammar (and typographs) may be a bit confusing at times so I'm always willing to try to make something more clear.

Thanks!
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Hello Chaol, just want to thank you for one of the most interesting threads I've ever read. However, when you say:


You could convert sound, gamma rays, and other as-yet-undiscovered waves all you want but if you don't find a new way to cultivate a culture that does not care so much about endless profits then it will be all for naught.
How can we get rid of the parasitic oligarchy that rules this planet and refuses to allow advanced energy technologies?

How do you deal with a murderous kleptocracy (international banksters, oil companies, big pharma, military/industrial complex, etc.) that controls everything from medicine to the media?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1090656


Greetings!

Perhaps I should have typed, "if YOU don't find a new way to cultivate a culture that does not care so much about endless profits then it will be all for naught"

Here's where I go into a longged discussion about "who's perceiving these things you mention" and "how can we change what is perceived?"

The real question may be, "Why do we resist our perceptions?"

What do you think?
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I think you're trying to say we create our own reality.

Well, after living for 5 decades on this messed-up planet, I'm ready for another experience. But it seems easier said than done.

What am I missing?
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I think you're trying to say we create our own reality.

Well, after living for 5 decades on this messed-up planet, I'm ready for another experience. But it seems easier said than done.

What am I missing?
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Hmmm!

It's probably much more simple than is thought.

As I suggested above, we may often resist our perceptions. It sounds as though you may be doing a bit of that.

The more something is resisted the greater the likelihood that it would be further experienced.

Resistance is a type of focus.

I wouldn't really say that we create our own reality. I don't believe that would be accurate if we're talking about such things. However, it's easy enough to say and it conveys the general direction of the idea, I think.

The interesting thing is that out of 100 people that say it, no one can tell you how

Thanks!
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I think you're trying to say we create our own reality.

Well, after living for 5 decades on this messed-up planet, I'm ready for another experience. But it seems easier said than done.

What am I missing?
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Again!

Like most of us, you probably do things routinely. Every day you walk, talk, chew, look, drive, sleep, etc., the same way.

And thus, think, dream, perceive, and have pretty much the same kinds of experiences. And the world seems the same.

What would happen if, over the period of 1 week, you did things in a way you could not have predicted?

How much do you think your perspective (and world) would change?
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It's probably much more simple than is thought.

As I suggested above, we may often resist our perceptions. It sounds as though you may be doing a bit of that.
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Resisting my perceptions, eh? OK, I'll have to think about that, but I sure don't like what I perceive on this planet. My personal situation is fine -- no complaints, but I'm truly disgusted by all the wars, lies and manipulations used by the government/corporate/media oligarchy. It seems that literally everything in the US is a lie and I'm tired of the air, water and food being poisoned.

Are these perceptions really so far off or am I focusing too much on the negative?
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What would happen if, over the period of 1 week, you did things in a way you could not have predicted?
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Not trying to be obtuse, but give me an example.
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It's probably much more simple than is thought.

As I suggested above, we may often resist our perceptions. It sounds as though you may be doing a bit of that.

Resisting my perceptions, eh? OK, I'll have to think about that, but I sure don't like what I perceive on this planet. My personal situation is fine -- no complaints, but I'm truly disgusted by all the wars, lies and manipulations used by the government/corporate/media oligarchy. It seems that literally everything in the US is a lie and I'm tired of the air, water and food being poisoned.

Are these perceptions really so far off or am I focusing too much on the negative?
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It may sound counter-intuitive, but what would it mean to "embrace" the perceptions of the very things you don't like about the world around you?

I don't mean to love war or killing, for example. But to be ok with the perception.

I'm not suggestion that you do this. It's just a thought experiment. What do you think that would mean for you?
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Even though it feels difficult to embrace the government industrial complex's wars, lies, and corruption along with their poisoning the air, water and food, as a thought experiment, I'll give it a try.
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What would happen if, over the period of 1 week, you did things in a way you could not have predicted?

Not trying to be obtuse, but give me an example.
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For example!

Getting dressed for no reason and going outside with no particular goal in mind. When a thought occurs to you, carry it out (if you can safely).

Introduce randomness into your life for a short period of time. This will seem completely crazy, of course, but it will have the effect of causing you to dramatically shift perspective.

When your immediate environment interacts in the same way every day, you end up with pretty much the same representations.

Everything today is fairly similar to yesterday because that's how you have it set up.

Replace the structure you've built up over the years with a new set of rules in order to experience a different result.

Introducing the randomness weakens the structure you have already. Just be sure to introduce a new structure. Often, the structure is the routine that we go through at each moment.

Some examples: sleep next to the refrigerator for a night, skip to work, wrap speaker wire around your legs, call someone randomly, imitate the next animal you see, cook up a pot of sugar, wear crazy clothes or a fake mustache... all for no reason whatsoever.

Yes, it's crazy. But you need some crazy sauce in order to bring out the flavor of the new perspective.
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Even though it feels difficult to embrace the government industrial complex's wars, lies, and corruption along with their poisoning the air, water and food, as a thought experiment, I'll give it a try.
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There will always be drama.

Attraction and repulsion is the nature of consciousness.

The problem arises when we think attraction and repulsion are two separate forces.

We may think that we're not attracted to the things we seem to hate, for example.

I'm suggesting that at times it may better suit us to know the extent of our own perceptions.

If we see lies, for example, we could think, "why do I feel that way?"

It is easy to get confused and think the we are our own focal point.

Our body is most relative to what we are, and it is us. But we often fail to see that what we are includes the entirety of our perceptions not just the most relative area (our body).

To embrace everything that we perceive is the difficult part. But parting our perceptions into good and bad creates an illusion quite difficult to embrace.
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By the way!

Need any assistance with this, or could something be made more clear?

I realize some of my examples, syntax, or grammar (and typographs) may be a bit confusing at times so I'm always willing to try to make something more clear.

Thanks!
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Appreciate the offer, but I want to wait and see how a few things are going to play out. Shouldn't be long now.

Also, from the looks of what you've said you're planning, I think that new information will be most helpful. So I look forward to seeing that.

But for now a simple question, one that many on this forum have.

Recurring number patterns (11:11, 444, 555,...) seem to present to many in non-random ways. After observing this for some time, one comes to the conclusion they are meaningful but never quite sure what exactly it is they mean.

Any insight/explanation on this?

Here are some example threads:

Thread: Other seeing 555 and 444 and 333 and 1111

Thread: SO..has anyone actually figured out what the 444 and 222 and 111 and 11:11 stuff is all about yet?
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[snip...]

Recurring number patterns (11:11, 444, 555,...) seem to present to many in non-random ways. After observing this for some time, one comes to the conclusion they are meaningful but never quite sure what exactly it is they mean.

Any insight/explanation on this?

[snip...]
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Greetings!

Perhaps what is seen is the beauty of a large population.

If you have several billion people on the planet there will be a large number who see the same numbers over and over again.

Some of these people use the internet, some of these that use the internet will be inclined to post about it, some of these that post will post in English, and so on.

There is also a large number that see 4:37 more often than usual, but they're probably not as inclined to tell others about it compared to those that often see 3:33.

You may, yourself, see a certain number or string of numbers recur throughout your life. It might be that from age 20-28 each time you looked at your watch the second hand was 'always' on 0 seconds.

We are more likely to remember things that fit within a pattern and forget the things that don't. All it takes is a sliver of a belief to begin ignoring things that you perceive that don't fit within that belief.

When a woman is pregnant, for example, she may swear she sees pregnant women everywhere whereas before she didn't see nearly as many.

It was all there before, it just wasn't focused on. And nobody is interested in someone that sees 4:37 all the time on their watch. But, I assure you, there are just as many persons that see 4:37 as 1:11.

It is human to take a slice of bread and cut it into 20 pieces and try to make 3 random pieces more special than the rest. We would do this regardless of what is cut. If we did not, there would be no drama (no gravity / consciousness / attraction and repulsion) and we would not exist.

The conversations do serve a purpose, however. It bemuses many of us to witness the amount of right / wrong arguments that go on without realizing the necessity and beauty of it all. One party creates drama out of thin air, starting an argument about how the other party (now a "side") is creating a less purposeful drama. The atheist / Christian debaters, for example, among the billions that lose their sense of play in the whole scheme.

Thanks.
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[snips...]

Perhaps what is seen is the beauty of a large population... If you have several billion people on the planet there will be a large number who see the same numbers over and over again...Some of these people use the internet... We are more likely to remember things that fit within a pattern...It bemuses many of us to witness the amount of right / wrong arguments that go on without realizing the necessity and beauty of it all...

[snips...]

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Thanks for the reply Chaol. Of course any rational, objective person couldn't possibly disagree. My initial reaction is it's the logical explanation to about half of the phenomena, the part that deals with the waking/conscious mind (for lack of a better term).

But what about the sleeping/sub-conscious mind? From my own experience and that of others (as evidenced by yet other posts on this forum), this experience permeates into the sleep state as well.

Examples: you're woken up from a vivid dream and the clock next to you has a number pattern at that exact moment. Over time as this happens frequently, a pattern emerges between the dreams theme and the specific number sequence that time mark the wake-up event, in an unmistakable fashion. But what if there's no clock around? No worries, an anonymous phone call (from a wrong number that provides the necessary number sequence)serves to wake the dreamer up just as reliably with the same "number stamp".

Of course, even these events can be explained by the "random observations over a large enough population" explanation but less convincingly. In fact some simple math will show they are far less likely than chance.
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Greetings Chaol!
I have read 6 of the 12 pages so far, but I have a question.
I want to surprise my husband with a gift, and yet I physically need to attract the thing I need to get the gift to give my husband. How do I do it? I ahve been focusing on changing my perspective, my relationship to the thing I need to attract. Is there a way to speed up the process? I have 5 days in which to accomplish this to make the surprise a physical reality for my husband upon his return. I have dreamed it many times. I fantasize about it. I try to focus upon it, and the relationships that go with it. Am I following the pattern correctly? And is there a way to speed the process up.
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Hi again Chaol! I also want to add that I want to give this gift to him because I LOVE HIM! I truly LOVE him and I enjoy seeing him happy! I actually feel happy seeing him happy, like a child opening a gift they really wanted on christmas morning. hf
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Greetings Chaol!
I have read 6 of the 12 pages so far, but I have a question.
I want to surprise my husband with a gift, and yet I physically need to attract the thing I need to get the gift to give my husband. How do I do it? I ahve been focusing on changing my perspective, my relationship to the thing I need to attract. Is there a way to speed up the process? I have 5 days in which to accomplish this to make the surprise a physical reality for my husband upon his return. I have dreamed it many times. I fantasize about it. I try to focus upon it, and the relationships that go with it. Am I following the pattern correctly? And is there a way to speed the process up.
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Greetings :)

Have you already made a physical representation of it?

Thanks
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Thanks for the reply Chaol. Of course any rational, objective person couldn't possibly disagree. My initial reaction is it's the logical explanation to about half of the phenomena, the part that deals with the waking/conscious mind (for lack of a better term).

But what about the sleeping/sub-conscious mind? From my own experience and that of others (as evidenced by yet other posts on this forum), this experience permeates into the sleep state as well.

Examples: you're woken up from a vivid dream and the clock next to you has a number pattern at that exact moment. Over time as this happens frequently, a pattern emerges between the dreams theme and the specific number sequence that time mark the wake-up event, in an unmistakable fashion. But what if there's no clock around? No worries, an anonymous phone call (from a wrong number that provides the necessary number sequence)serves to wake the dreamer up just as reliably with the same "number stamp".

Of course, even these events can be explained by the "random observations over a large enough population" explanation but less convincingly. In fact some simple math will show they are far less likely than chance.
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Interesting!

There may be some correlation as related to the dream state.

Please refer to the chart on the following link regarding somnalinear time: [link to ecsys.org]

As illustrata, let's imagine that at a particular dream or dream-thought is like a sheet of music where a particular note is played by two violins (waking and dreaming) instead of just one (dreaming). The note shifts your bodily consciousness more towards physicality while the symphony continues to play in the background.

So in this way, a certain time would represent something to you that correlates with a particular "note" in the dream.

For example, the "shape" of a dream is represented by 1:11 on the clock (as the shape of the two would be very similar).

In an extended way, you could say that in 10% of Henry's dreams he wakes up at 1:11am and this number is particularly representative of something. However, in 100% of his dreams he awakens in Henry's body, which is also particularly representative of something. There are micro-patterns and macro-patterns, but we usually only pay attention to those patterns that are readily obvious.

Everything perceived is a representation. The numbers on a clock need not exist until they are perceived directly. The act of looking at a clock is representative, along with whatever time the clock says (or whatever number comes your way). You can just as easily tell the time by looking at the position of the items in your fridge, or tell the time by looking at the appearance of objects in your dream.

It is, in fact, the same thing. There is often correlations because of this. Someone that has the items in their fridge in the "1:11 position" may wonder why they often see "11" on the clock after they open their fridge. Because when they do, they are interacting with the representation.

If time were a like a box of numbers, some would have particular value (like the corner of a box) while others would just be more general representations. Patterns are just aligned representations.

But much of this is hearsay, and we must keep in mind the nature of the brain to show us what we want to see. We all have similar experiences but we often forget the experiences with no correlation or pattern.

We look for correlations and patterns in order to make sense of the world, even though those patterns were not actually there previous to our having assigned value to the new composite.

So, the correlation was not there before you perceived it (even if you remember having perceived it previously, this is actually a value in the present memory not a recollection of something that existed in previous states).

Hope this helps!





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