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Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

 
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@Chaol

So, in writing my script for returning to my starship, what do I look like? What kind of body do I have? I am trying to avoid modeling a body after a Star Trek movie star. If I am currently evolving into a transhuman, then I would like to take advantage of this.

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I've got some thoughts on this, Friend. I believe that we are becoming FULLY HUMAN. Up until now we have been SUB-HUMAN for a long long time. When we are fully human we will be in these physical bodies but reaching our full potential. We will be able to create the bodies we want, feel lighter, need little if any food and so on. We will be able to translocate, 'heal' any parts of ourselves and 'put right' the state of the Earth.

So, you can imagine yourself in any way you want. Everything exists that we are able to imagine.
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I was watching a movie, Close Encounters of the Third Kind. My husband was yakking away about something, but I wasn't paying attention to him.

I heard him say, "Do you remember that place 'Wienerschnitzel's?'"

I go, "What did you say?"

And he says, yeah, it was a chain store that had all A-frame buildings and you could just drive through the building and get weinerschnitzel.

I asked him, "Did they sell it in buckets?"

He said, "I don't know, but they sold sauerkraut too."

Chaol, I know, I know, it's just

...


and it is very humorous, but is there anything a bit more substantial waiting for us in the wings?

I get the point, however. These "coincidences" work forward and backwards in "time".
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This is funny!!
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Like AC above, I am creating a connection to a preferred reality.
Myself who is there is called Eve or Evie, sometimes Eva. In my bedroom there is a bag on a hook that also exists in the preferred reality as a big candle on a stand.

In the other reality I am fully human. I have all the powers and abilities I dream of (aka X-woman). The climate is sub-tropically comfortable and the Earth is a paradise for all of us. I see myself there, especially when I look at the bag on the hook in my bedroom.

Any observations? Chaol? Anyone? Have I left any obvious gaps?
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Let's try a different name in the other reality rather than one you know in this one.

A fresh name ;)
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By using fresh symbols (including names) we are lessening the attachment from the current reality so that we can begin to build a bridge to the other one.

A symbol with a lot of meaning to us in this reality will just allow us to experience this reality more because we would be interacting with it more.

So, it may even be more effective to choose a symbol that you are indifferent about rather than one you like.
 Quoting: Chaol


This interesting...
For the past two days, I have been stuck in picking my fresh name for the other reality. I wanted something I could relate to, to make the logical steps more viable in identifying myself with the alternate "me". I even thought of using a third name I have (not on the ID, and never ever used in this life), and make it my first. A variation of this reality, with a different choice my parents would have made.

Also, because each name has a meaning, I wanted to pick an auspicious one. Picking a cool sounding name, only to find out that it means "the martyr", or "sorrow", is not on my list... lol

I love Celtic names the most...

I am kind of taking it with the seriousness of a "legal name change", an alternate name that will stick with me, not a random choice. A powerful symbol, so to speak. That I can use multiple times.

Am I reading too much into this? This adds to the frustration that I am delaying the process.

Note to Self:
Just pick a name, allright!
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Like AC above, I am creating a connection to a preferred reality.
Myself who is there is called Eve or Evie, sometimes Eva. In my bedroom there is a bag on a hook that also exists in the preferred reality as a big candle on a stand.

In the other reality I am fully human. I have all the powers and abilities I dream of (aka X-woman). The climate is sub-tropically comfortable and the Earth is a paradise for all of us. I see myself there, especially when I look at the bag on the hook in my bedroom.

Any observations? Chaol? Anyone? Have I left any obvious gaps?
 Quoting: Marshwiggle


Oh, wow, you are many steps ahead... *and* you picked your name!
It seems like you are doing it right. The bag on the hook being the portal to the other reality, which appears as a candle overthere.
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@Chaol

So, in writing my script for returning to my starship, what do I look like? What kind of body do I have? I am trying to avoid modeling a body after a Star Trek movie star. If I am currently evolving into a transhuman, then I would like to take advantage of this.

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I've got some thoughts on this, Friend. I believe that we are becoming FULLY HUMAN. Up until now we have been SUB-HUMAN for a long long time. When we are fully human we will be in these physical bodies but reaching our full potential. We will be able to create the bodies we want, feel lighter, need little if any food and so on. We will be able to translocate, 'heal' any parts of ourselves and 'put right' the state of the Earth.

So, you can imagine yourself in any way you want. Everything exists that we are able to imagine.
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This is much appreciated. Your suggestions fit right in with the qualities of the ship's captain and her environment. This also stretches my imagination in trying to depict an individual that is above and beyond my current ideals. Hers is a world view that is greatly expanded from the one held in this reality.

Sometimes, this current body seems so utterly basic, it reminds me of an oyster: push food into its mouth at one end and it comes right back out on the other end. Not that I don't appreciate the other body parts, such as eyes and fingers. But, I was wondering if a transhuman even has eyes and fingers!

Have you ever read the wikipedia definition for "Transhumanism"?

Transhumanism, abbreviated as H+ or h+, is an international intellectual and cultural movement that affirms the possibility and desirability of fundamentally transforming the human condition by developing and making widely available technologies to eliminate aging and to greatly enhance human intellectual, physical, and psychological capacities. Transhumanist thinkers study the potential benefits and dangers of emerging technologies that could overcome fundamental human limitations, as well as study the ethical matters involved in developing and using such technologies. They predict that human beings may eventually be able to transform themselves into beings with such greatly expanded abilities as to merit the label "posthuman".

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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This is much appreciated. Your suggestions fit right in with the qualities of the ship's captain and her environment. This also stretches my imagination in trying to depict an individual that is above and beyond my current ideals. Hers is a world view that is greatly expanded from the one held in this reality.
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Additionally, I think Chaol has been telling us that once we find that physical bridge to the other reality, that we then let it unfold in its own manner. So, it is probably in my own best interests if I do not overly define a quality such as "wise", because it is most likely that "wise" has connotations in the other reality that I am not even aware of in this one.
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This is much appreciated. Your suggestions fit right in with the qualities of the ship's captain and her environment. This also stretches my imagination in trying to depict an individual that is above and beyond my current ideals. Hers is a world view that is greatly expanded from the one held in this reality.
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Additionally, I think Chaol has been telling us that once we find that physical bridge to the other reality, that we then let it unfold in its own manner. So, it is probably in my own best interests if I do not overly define a quality such as "wise", because it is most likely that "wise" has connotations in the other reality that I am not even aware of in this one.
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On page 141, Chaol said


Visualizing the details may have the opposite effect from what you intend.

Your perspective may be asking, "Why do you want to go to that reality when you are already experiencing it right now in your imagination?"

If you're discovering it in your current perspective (and not just imagining it) it would be effective.
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So I guess it's best to let it unfold in its own manner (no details), and just work on discovering the values from within our current perspective.

I still have to learn how to do this practically, starting from the symbol acting as a portal.

I have finally picked a name. I like how it sounds, indifferent emotionally. In my other reality, they call me Ambra (Amber).

As Ambra, I live on a farm with a companion. There are two horses. My (current) pets are happy. My favorite hen is called Adeline, she makes the best fresh eggs. The farm is also a place where classes are held, and there are interesting people and friends coming to visit. I want to keep it as logical as possible for now, so I am driving a "traditional" pick up truck.

The portal is the current fireplace, which a pantry on the farm. (Once I master the technique, I will imagine far more distant worlds!)

@ Chaol,

I don't know what to do with the portal, especially if I don't have to dwell into details, but look for the values around me. The fireplace is just there, and when I look at it, I now "know" it's the kitchen pantry in the other reality. Anything more I should do with it? Like enter the portal mentally and find myself on the "other side" (but that involves picturing details)?

I feel like I'm missing something... back to reading the previous pages again... and I'll wait for your guidance regarding the PGA golfer. We stopped at "getting the fresh name".
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My user ID keeps changing... so I will use my alternate reality name from now on!
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On page 141, Chaol said


Visualizing the details may have the opposite effect from what you intend.

Your perspective may be asking, "Why do you want to go to that reality when you are already experiencing it right now in your imagination?"

If you're discovering it in your current perspective (and not just imagining it) it would be effective.
 Quoting: Chaol

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Thank you for the reminder. Chaol also wrote that our thoughts, dreams and imagination are already physical, so that if we see it in our imagination, then it already exists physically, and does not have to manifest any further than that.
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@Chaol,

As I went outside for a symbolette, I pinned down the problem I have with the portal technique. Could you help in getting me over this stump?

The Genius appealed to me immediately, because in my mind it still follows the logical steps to get from here to there. It's sort of a "gradual" unfolding, even if it could happen at a fast pace (and for symbol #1 it did).

Incidentally, symbol #2 made me move a piece of furniture, which cleared a blockage, and now I even started doing yoga at home!

With the portal, it feels more like "jumping" or diving head on into a different situation. Could I logically wake up tomorrow and find myself in the farm with a companion next to me? Where did I meet the guy? How did I move there? On the other hand, a genius symbol gives me the idea of the "placeholder", where I logically one day (even today), meet the person, still live here, but move out, etc. etc.

In other words, it's the current reality expanding, rather than a sudden switch of realities. Maybe because what I intend to experience is too close to where I am at already... Already living in nature, I envision the farm locally.

Ironically, the jump would seem easier if I imagined I was living in fairy land and had superpowers, with never seen before creatures, you name it. [Because a jump is the only logical way to a drastic change]. But for now I want to play with this "expansion", to master it, and because it would be fun to experience.

How do I go about it, and what to do with the fireplace/kitchen pantry portal?

Thanks!
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On page 141, Chaol said


Visualizing the details may have the opposite effect from what you intend.

Your perspective may be asking, "Why do you want to go to that reality when you are already experiencing it right now in your imagination?"

If you're discovering it in your current perspective (and not just imagining it) it would be effective.
 Quoting: Chaol

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Thank you for the reminder. Chaol also wrote that our thoughts, dreams and imagination are already physical, so that if we see it in our imagination, then it already exists physically, and does not have to manifest any further than that.
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Right! I remember that.
The trick is how to go about it, then! lol
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[link to teenagefilm.com]

Chaol asked what has changed since 10 or 20 years ago, and in the first world, not much - it's like we're living the zombie version of 1998 over and over again. It's like each year we just take the old 1998 and multiply it with itself.

2012 = (zombie 1998) ^ 12

But it looks like there are places that are still cycling. At least they're moving although I'll leave it to others to say which direction things are moving in.

But at least they're moving, instead of stuck in a cultural rut that gets a little deeper every year.
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Recalibrating for the next phase.

Will post again in about 10 days.
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Recalibrating for the next phase.

Will post again in about 10 days.
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Thank you! Can't wait to see you then.
Consider the possibility that you order yourself into being from chaos... You do this, always, in all ways. This "ordering" has resulted in the possibilities you're experiencing, here, now. In each experience you've ever had, more and more of "this" reality is generated logically from your previous experience. Your observation of this unfolding of order and chaos is reality.
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Recalibrating for the next phase.

Will post again in about 10 days.
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Wish us luck! :-D
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Sometimes, I post stupid things to this thread. Often, a day after I make an unlearned statement, I slap myself in the head and go, "Oh! That's what it is!"

Chaol, I know, I know, it's just
Coincidence :)
 Quoting: Chaol

and it is very humorous, but is there anything a bit more substantial waiting for us in the wings?
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The coincidences and synchronicities are significant. In fact, I would like to acknowledge that they are flying fast and furious within my reality. These are not just parlor tricks. I think I "get" what this is all about, but I find it hard to describe.

From Page 91
What do you get when two corners that were previously kitty-corner are now side-by-side?
 Quoting: Chaol


So, too, are the kitty corners meeting side-by-side more often. I have gotten past the "!!!" and now laugh at it when it happens.

btw, I posted a link to a graphic I drew in response to Chaol's post back in February and was immediately banned for 60 days! I cannot even tell you all which imaging site not to use, because, apparently, the very mention of it will get me banned.
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Recalibrating for the next phase.

Will post again in about 10 days.
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set course to 23.6
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Recalibrating for the next phase.

Will post again in about 10 days.
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Just in time for the end of suntory time

05/27/2012
03:33 PM

In less than 3 weeks, Suntory Time is over.

I hope it has been relaxing times for you.

How weird can it get?
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Recalibrating for the next phase.

Will post again in about 10 days.
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set course to 23.6
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see dee cd cd
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Vallee talking about why coincindences happen.

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Recalibrating for the next phase.

Will post again in about 10 days.
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... searching surroundings and identifying pyramid shaped candle as portal for the 10-day time warp...
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Hey Chaol. You alternate humans eat food still?

Can you post some recipes of dishes that people cook from your world?
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Guess what I made for supper tonight at my house.





















Weinerschnitzel

5a
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@Chaol,

In other words, it's the current reality expanding, rather than a sudden switch of realities. Maybe because what I intend to experience is too close to where I am at already... Already living in nature, I envision the farm locally.

Ironically, the jump would seem easier if I imagined I was living in fairy land and had superpowers, with never seen before creatures, you name it. [Because a jump is the only logical way to a drastic change]. But for now I want to play with this "expansion", to master it, and because it would be fun to experience.

How do I go about it, and what to do with the fireplace/kitchen pantry portal?

Thanks!
 Quoting: Ambra 17229277


You've put into words something I was wondering. Because the preferred reality for me is way and beyond anything I have experienced in this current reality, and most other people, too. Be interested to hear anyone's thoughts on this, and yours, Chaol, when you return. Thanks
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Weinerschnitzels - a new symbol for those moments when

Coincidence :)
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just isn't enough ;)
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@Chaol,

In other words, it's the current reality expanding, rather than a sudden switch of realities. Maybe because what I intend to experience is too close to where I am at already... Already living in nature, I envision the farm locally.

Ironically, the jump would seem easier if I imagined I was living in fairy land and had superpowers, with never seen before creatures, you name it. [Because a jump is the only logical way to a drastic change]. But for now I want to play with this "expansion", to master it, and because it would be fun to experience.

How do I go about it, and what to do with the fireplace/kitchen pantry portal?

Thanks!
 Quoting: Ambra 17229277


You've put into words something I was wondering. Because the preferred reality for me is way and beyond anything I have experienced in this current reality, and most other people, too. Be interested to hear anyone's thoughts on this, and yours, Chaol, when you return. Thanks
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When you say you have not experienced it, are you saying that you are not able to dream or think of it? With dreams and thoughts my experiences seem limitless, it's only the seemingly more physical forms of experiencing something that seem more limited.
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Vallee talking about why coincindences happen.


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Thank you for this. Apart from what Vallee speaks about, this video is so full of synchronicities that I had to pause it midway and walk away for a minute.

1. Last night, I watched the movie, Close Encounters of the Third Kind. The lead scientist in the movie is a premier UFOlogist who spoke French. Now I see that the character was obviously modeled after Jaques Vallee.

2. I came online afterwards and made a post about Terrance McKenna's analysis of UFOs, and included an excerpt in which he mentions how Jaques Vallee began a different line of inquiry regarding the phenomenon.

3. In the TED lecture, Valle mentions that there are many "TOEs" being developed currently, and that is why he is presenting a "Theory of Everything (else)". I have been reading Thomas Campbell's "My Big T.O.E". In his book, Campbell stresses how our reality is a subset of a larger reality, which is what Vallee is also saying.

4. This morning, I was reading a thread on a different forum about someone having made an unusual mistake in an experiment with time, and someone posted a joke that he had found "the square root of -1". Vallee mentions that physicists use the symbol "t" with a "-1" in front of it to denote time.

5. and on and on....

Vallee also mentions that some coincidences have no particular meaning; that there is no special message attached to them. He says that it is just the way the world is ordered. I think this is a good point.
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Weinerschnitzels - a new symbol for those moments when

Coincidence :)
 Quoting: Chaol


just isn't enough ;)
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LOL!!





GLP