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Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

 
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Has anyone tried channeling more abundant energy?

Reading the Seth stuff and thinking back to other info, I get the feeling these beings don't need 'sleep' the way we do. Granted our bodies rest, but somehow fatigue levels and physical exertion never correlate for me.

I'm wondering if there's a certain state of mind that transcends, or even recalibrates, what to a human is 'tiredness.' Is fatigue maybe a misinterpreted energy potential?
 Quoting: CatCarel


My fatigue level is increasing exponentially as time goes by. I took it as this third density becoming heavier and heavier, as we get ready for the shift/merging of dreamworlds.

I like your take on it, that it may be a misinterpreted energy potential.
Could it be that the potential is us wanting to take the leap, but feeling still bound to the constraints of this reality?

It seems that where there is fatigue, it's either some form of resistance, or adjustment to higher energies, manifesting as a toll on the body.
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Has anyone tried channeling more abundant energy?

Reading the Seth stuff and thinking back to other info, I get the feeling these beings don't need 'sleep' the way we do. Granted our bodies rest, but somehow fatigue levels and physical exertion never correlate for me.

I'm wondering if there's a certain state of mind that transcends, or even recalibrates, what to a human is 'tiredness.' Is fatigue maybe a misinterpreted energy potential?
 Quoting: CatCarel


My fatigue level is increasing exponentially as time goes by. I took it as this third density becoming heavier and heavier, as we get ready for the shift/merging of dreamworlds.

I like your take on it, that it may be a misinterpreted energy potential.
Could it be that the potential is us wanting to take the leap, but feeling still bound to the constraints of this reality?

It seems that where there is fatigue, it's either some form of resistance, or adjustment to higher energies, manifesting as a toll on the body.
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Oh my goodness! Search v4ta on youtube.. I don't know what exactly he's doing, but my brain feels wonderful
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Has anybody else noticed how posts in this thread seem to appear from out of nowhere? Or, how we thought we read something, but when we go back to re-read it, it is different from the way we remembered it?
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YES! This thread reminds me of that whack-a-mole game. No matter how many times I read the posts, there is always something I've 'missed' that just pops up.
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True.
When Chaol said he will be back in 10 days, I thought I'd spend some time reading the entire thread again, as a refresher. I'm sure there will be things that I did not notice before!

Getting ready for the end of suntory time...
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For relaxing times, make it suntory time.

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"The ego is not present in dream reality. The waking consciousness is not the ego. The ego is only that portion of waking consciousness that deals with physical manipulation."

This snippet from the Seth material blew me away! Dreams really are a pure reflection of one's 'true' self:)
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This is why I bristle a bit at the "kill the ego" brigade. There really isn't anything there to kill.

Seth speaks quite a bit about the ego throughout all of his books. The ego is simply a psychological construct. It is the "I" that you use in this reality. Seth warns us, however, that we have put too much responsibility onto the shoulders of the ego in the form of trying to understand and manipulate our reality; that the understanding comes from our inner selves; that the ego was not intended to take over the job of comprehending our environments. The ego is a tool for interfacing with our physical surroundings.

There is so much to be said about the ego. Chaol has advised us to let go of our definitions of ourselves, which is the ego. The ego is the part of ourselves that says "I am this", "I am that". When we try to redefine ourselves or try to let go of previous definitions of ourselves, it is the ego that reacts with fear.

I see no sense in scolding the ego for being fearful, because we are the ones that made it. We can just as easily unmake it, once we see it for what it really is.
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/agreed

and well said.

a coupla thoughts tho:

Just like human parental units that think (believe) that they have created their children, so do (some) humans think that we have created the aspects of our minds, the 'ego' being just one of many.

i feel that like children, the ego *emerged* within our minds (as new humans do within our bodies) and that the last 10k years has been spent coming to terms with what that means and how to deal with this overly talkative logical device...or pilot, if u will.


There are some occult schools of thought that make a distinction between the 'ego' and the 'personality': where the ego is the core soul and the personality more like the 'ego' that you are referring to. This is similar to the scientific viewpoint of conscious vs unconscious and confirmed in fmri studies that noticed a brain functional difference between 'thinking' and not 'thinking', calling the not thinking process, or the 'background' process the "default network".
Curiously, their studies indicate that the processes are asynchronous, that only the one or the other may be active at any given point in time: a zero sum game, if u will...

i suspect that the default network is where all our real 'thinking', or more aptly said, "processing", occurs within our minds. Once processed the decision is made and handed over to the personality to execute: to pilot the minutia in the direction of the destination that the default network has pointed us toward.

a human cognizant of this fact can intentionally include meditative practices into their lives that enhance the efficacy of their decision making process. Trust is key here, because sometimes the 'choices' are illogical or seemingly so based on the limited viewpoint of the personality.


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modern psycs say that the "unconscious mind points the bright (but narrow) light of our conscious mind"

The real and far reaching implications of this idea have yet to be fully absorbed. Properly understood, this should change the perspective of almost every major branch of human curiosity: be it creative, spiritual or simply practical.
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Has anyone tried channeling more abundant energy?

Reading the Seth stuff and thinking back to other info, I get the feeling these beings don't need 'sleep' the way we do. Granted our bodies rest, but somehow fatigue levels and physical exertion never correlate for me.

I'm wondering if there's a certain state of mind that transcends, or even recalibrates, what to a human is 'tiredness.' Is fatigue maybe a misinterpreted energy potential?
 Quoting: CatCarel


My fatigue level is increasing exponentially as time goes by. I took it as this third density becoming heavier and heavier, as we get ready for the shift/merging of dreamworlds.

I like your take on it, that it may be a misinterpreted energy potential.
Could it be that the potential is us wanting to take the leap, but feeling still bound to the constraints of this reality?

It seems that where there is fatigue, it's either some form of resistance, or adjustment to higher energies, manifesting as a toll on the body.
 Quoting: Ambra 17229277



Right now I feel like the only resistance is society.
I mean I have no problem sleeping when my body needs it, but it's amazing all the negative connotations people place on sleep! There's like this fine line between 'normal' and 'lazy/depressed/whatareyoudoingwithyourlife/thisisaproblem.'


Sigh.
sleeping
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Can someone explain to me what is 'suntory time'? It's from the "Lost in Translation" movie?
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Can someone explain to me what is 'suntory time'? It's from the "Lost in Translation" movie?
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Suntory time - it's a drink, partake when it's time to relax.
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Can someone explain to me what is 'suntory time'? It's from the "Lost in Translation" movie?
 Quoting: Gespenst


Somebody posted the link to the scene from Lost in Translation already (or all ready as Chaol would put it).

Bill Murray's character is portrayed making a commercial in Tokyo, for Suntory, a (fictitious) brand of whiskey. He has to say: "For relaxing times... make it Suntory time", whilst at a very un-relaxing kind of set.


My take on it is that it was a kind of relaxing-but-not-quite-at-ease time. What I find a nice touch is that it is set in Japan, where Chaol keeps stating the change is going to come from.
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Oh thanks! I haven't seen the movie!

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Somebody posted the link to the scene from Lost in Translation already (or all ready as Chaol would put it).

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Let us rise; we will now sing hymn number 368, "All ready my self and an other."
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I don't think Suntory is fictional - they're a huge beverage conglomerate in Japan.

I never was too fond of the Japanese soft drinks, but I did grow fond of their iced coffee.

I'm sure their booze is good, but I wouldn't know from personal experience.
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i have read a lot of what has been said about relationships/consciousness/perspective

but

examples? me looking around the room: what are the relationships? me and the room? me and the bed? what about the bed and the wall? when i view one things relationship to another, am i actually seeing my relationship to the two things....? confusion
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11086054


My understanding is that the geometry of relationships is within everything in your perspective, between everything. I recall Chaol saying that you change that geometry, even by placing a mug next to your computer monitor.
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"geometry" is what i don't get. when i look at the pictures he has of what you see vs the geometry, i get a bit lost.

i'd think there would be lines...everywhere, between everything, so much that you can't see lines, because its everything, yeah?

thinking back now
how everything is an actor, and as you change perspectives/realities/etc, the symbols/things change but they are actually the same? same actor, different role?
correct?

so if i focus on a single cup so much that its the only thing i see, where did all the actors go?

i think i'm thinking of everything too logically, still in this world...

thanks for your responses these few days, italy
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i have read a lot of what has been said about relationships/consciousness/perspective

but

examples? me looking around the room: what are the relationships? me and the room? me and the bed? what about the bed and the wall? when i view one things relationship to another, am i actually seeing my relationship to the two things....? confusion
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Yes, as I see it, you know held within the shell of the symbol you currently perceive, there is the actual singularity of relationship. They are the repeating patterns just outside of your perception. All as if they're implied by your current experience. It's all perceived via deep fractal metaphor.
 Quoting: MutantMessiah


trying to read thru what i see as a typo (i'm not trying to offend here :P )

when i turn my head am i seeing the same 'things' as where i was first looking?
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Here is something that I have wanted to put together for awhile now, and your statement reminded me of it.

modern psycs say that the "unconscious mind points the bright (but narrow) light of our conscious mind"
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01/26/2012 11:58 PM

When a light shines upon a sphere, it highlights a particular area of the past/future composite, and we experience as a present moment.

But the present is entirely shaped by the past/future relationships. (What would it mean if the light is shining from 'within'?)

What do you see when you look at the sun? Or could look at a colony of matter?

And what shape does it seem that all matter is comprised of?

The surface appears to be 'present' when actually it is more a geometry of the relationships past/future representations, angled in such a way (at each moment, you could say) so that it appears there is a focus.

Imagine an endless sea of these units - each sphere's "eye" looking to an other near or distant sphere - and you get an idea of what the universe is made of.

Imagine one of these spheres's focal point (or "eye") in an other galaxy looking at your sphere and you can see how two seemingly distant things can be highly relevant (even if you weren't looking at it).

The geometry of relationships.

How can you experience something that you are not focused on? (You can, it can be said, when that part of your perspective is focused on you.)

You simply make things relevant by changing your relationships (which changes what you focus on, which changes your perspective).

It doesn't matter how 'distant' something is. Only that there is a logical path from one sphere to an other, or that a sphere is focused on something directly, or indirectly.

You are the spheres, of course, and exist entirely in your perception.

"You" is not capable of walking, talking, or using the internet. Actions are impossible and irrelevant. These things are illusions that the sea of representations show you.

"You" and "existence" is the same thing and, really, no thing in particular.
 Quoting: Chaol






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trying to read thru what i see as a typo (i'm not trying to offend here :P )

when i turn my head am i seeing the same 'things' as where i was first looking?
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It's all good, lol, i have a lot of those. When you "turn" your head, you are altering your perspective. If no thing is outside your perception and you "look" away, then what you look away from is still represented in your new perspective.
Consider the possibility that you order yourself into being from chaos... You do this, always, in all ways. This "ordering" has resulted in the possibilities you're experiencing, here, now. In each experience you've ever had, more and more of "this" reality is generated logically from your previous experience. Your observation of this unfolding of order and chaos is reality.
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Ive noticed things changing too, its all good ....
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i have read a lot of what has been said about relationships/consciousness/perspective

but

examples? me looking around the room: what are the relationships? me and the room? me and the bed? what about the bed and the wall? when i view one things relationship to another, am i actually seeing my relationship to the two things....? confusion
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11086054


My understanding is that the geometry of relationships is within everything in your perspective, between everything. I recall Chaol saying that you change that geometry, even by placing a mug next to your computer monitor.
 Quoting: Ambra 17229277


"geometry" is what i don't get. when i look at the pictures he has of what you see vs the geometry, i get a bit lost.

i'd think there would be lines...everywhere, between everything, so much that you can't see lines, because its everything, yeah?

thinking back now
how everything is an actor, and as you change perspectives/realities/etc, the symbols/things change but they are actually the same? same actor, different role?
correct?

so if i focus on a single cup so much that its the only thing i see, where did all the actors go?

i think i'm thinking of everything too logically, still in this world...

thanks for your responses these few days, italy
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11086054


The way I picture the geometry is this (anyone can chime in, with their own idea, the more ways this is conveyed, the clearer):

1 - All points of perception are related one to another in, so that when you see C, it's the difference (intersection points) between A and B.

C, in itself, does not exist. You think it does because it appears to be there, but you can perceive it only because of the relation between A and B. Everything exists in relation to something else. If you became aware of the truth about C, it would disappear (because the truth about C is the intersection between A and B, and so on).

Chaol says that something can either be true, or be perceived. It cannot be both.

2 - Within what we perceive, as per above, there is a geometry based on the relationships between the various symbols (people, objects, etc.).

If I change one single element within my perception, I have changed the whole geometry. Because now the symbols have rearranged to a different sequence of relationships.

If I place a mug next to the computer monitor, it sets in motion a wave that will affect everything else within my perception, and in a stronger way what relates to it in terms of values. An aspect of life could be related to socks in the drawer, to a tree in the forest, etc.

When decluttering some stuff I had and moving things around to play with a different geometry, I did draw imaginary lines between things, as a visual aid.

3 - Focusing on something, giving it attention and interacting with it, makes it more relative to you. You highlight a particular aspect of your web of relationships. Some fade into the background, or become irrelevant and are no longer perceived.

They are not actors, you are the actor on your own stage, perceiving your own show. They are expressions of you.

4 - Symbols are represented differently from alternate points of perception/realities, but are ultimately the same thing. That is, they do not exist, other than C being in relation to A and B.

Sorry... in a rush now, as the Venus transit broadcast started... watching it live. A symbol, transiting over another symbol. Cool!

After I read the thread again, I may be able to convey the concepts with better words.
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trying to read thru what i see as a typo (i'm not trying to offend here :P )

when i turn my head am i seeing the same 'things' as where i was first looking?
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It's all good, lol, i have a lot of those. When you "turn" your head, you are altering your perspective. If no thing is outside your perception and you "look" away, then what you look away from is still represented in your new perspective.
 Quoting: MutantMessiah


"represented in your new perspective"

i trip here. what?
does everything 'change' into what i see instead?
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Oh my goodness! Search v4ta on youtube.. I don't know what exactly he's doing, but my brain feels wonderful
 Quoting: CatCarel


Thanks, I'll check it out!
I may be up all night, to watch the Venus transit (via webcam, then up at sunrise)
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Oh thanks! I haven't seen the movie!

hf
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You should, it's a really nice movie! We have the DVD at home and watch it every few months. It has a good vibe over it.
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i have read a lot of what has been said about relationships/consciousness/perspective

but

examples? me looking around the room: what are the relationships? me and the room? me and the bed? what about the bed and the wall? when i view one things relationship to another, am i actually seeing my relationship to the two things....? confusion
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11086054


My understanding is that the geometry of relationships is within everything in your perspective, between everything. I recall Chaol saying that you change that geometry, even by placing a mug next to your computer monitor.
 Quoting: Ambra 17229277


"geometry" is what i don't get. when i look at the pictures he has of what you see vs the geometry, i get a bit lost.

i'd think there would be lines...everywhere, between everything, so much that you can't see lines, because its everything, yeah?

thinking back now
how everything is an actor, and as you change perspectives/realities/etc, the symbols/things change but they are actually the same? same actor, different role?
correct?

so if i focus on a single cup so much that its the only thing i see, where did all the actors go?

i think i'm thinking of everything too logically, still in this world...

thanks for your responses these few days, italy
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11086054


The way I picture the geometry is this (anyone can chime in, with their own idea, the more ways this is conveyed, the clearer):

1 - All points of perception are related one to another in, so that when you see C, it's the difference (intersection points) between A and B.

C, in itself, does not exist. You think it does because it appears to be there, but you can perceive it only because of the relation between A and B. Everything exists in relation to something else. If you became aware of the truth about C, it would disappear (because the truth about C is the intersection between A and B, and so on).

Chaol says that something can either be true, or be perceived. It cannot be both.

 Quoting: Ambra 17229277


not a deep question here, just a practical confusion for the moment i think but: what is A and B?
actually where do the points of perception exist?

is a handbag a point? does it break down into more points when i see its made of other things (strap, handle. etc)

i'll re-read what you wrote after i am clear.
thank you for how wordy you are, so much help!
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trying to read thru what i see as a typo (i'm not trying to offend here :P )

when i turn my head am i seeing the same 'things' as where i was first looking?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11086054


It's all good, lol, i have a lot of those. When you "turn" your head, you are altering your perspective. If no thing is outside your perception and you "look" away, then what you look away from is still represented in your new perspective.
 Quoting: MutantMessiah


"represented in your new perspective"

i trip here. what?
does everything 'change' into what i see instead?
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We perceive nothing as it truly is. It is your perspective that changes, not the symbols. The symbols represented before you turned your head are still represented within the "change" in perspective. I hope this helps.
Consider the possibility that you order yourself into being from chaos... You do this, always, in all ways. This "ordering" has resulted in the possibilities you're experiencing, here, now. In each experience you've ever had, more and more of "this" reality is generated logically from your previous experience. Your observation of this unfolding of order and chaos is reality.
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trying to read thru what i see as a typo (i'm not trying to offend here :P )

when i turn my head am i seeing the same 'things' as where i was first looking?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11086054


It's all good, lol, i have a lot of those. When you "turn" your head, you are altering your perspective. If no thing is outside your perception and you "look" away, then what you look away from is still represented in your new perspective.
 Quoting: MutantMessiah


"represented in your new perspective"

i trip here. what?
does everything 'change' into what i see instead?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11086054


You are in the kitchen having a cup of coffee. You decide to explore a new perspective and walk over to the living room to find the book you were reading. The cup of coffee (and really the whole kitchen) no longer exist in the physical sense they represented when you were sitting there drinking it. They are now maybe only a thought or an image in your mind, or maybe even just an understanding of how they are located spatially from where you currently are (geometry) but still represented. Now you pick up your book and head back into the kitchen to enjoy that cup of coffee. In that change of perspective, the coffee is re-created in the physical sense you were relating to it earlier when you were drinking it. In reality, it's not the "same" cup of coffee as before and well...you are not really the same 'you' either.
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My understanding is that the geometry of relationships is within everything in your perspective, between everything. I recall Chaol saying that you change that geometry, even by placing a mug next to your computer monitor.
 Quoting: Ambra 17229277


"geometry" is what i don't get. when i look at the pictures he has of what you see vs the geometry, i get a bit lost.

i'd think there would be lines...everywhere, between everything, so much that you can't see lines, because its everything, yeah?

thinking back now
how everything is an actor, and as you change perspectives/realities/etc, the symbols/things change but they are actually the same? same actor, different role?
correct?

so if i focus on a single cup so much that its the only thing i see, where did all the actors go?

i think i'm thinking of everything too logically, still in this world...

thanks for your responses these few days, italy
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11086054


The way I picture the geometry is this (anyone can chime in, with their own idea, the more ways this is conveyed, the clearer):

1 - All points of perception are related one to another in, so that when you see C, it's the difference (intersection points) between A and B.

C, in itself, does not exist. You think it does because it appears to be there, but you can perceive it only because of the relation between A and B. Everything exists in relation to something else. If you became aware of the truth about C, it would disappear (because the truth about C is the intersection between A and B, and so on).

Chaol says that something can either be true, or be perceived. It cannot be both.

 Quoting: Ambra 17229277


not a deep question here, just a practical confusion for the moment i think but: what is A and B?
actually where do the points of perception exist?

is a handbag a point? does it break down into more points when i see its made of other things (strap, handle. etc)

i'll re-read what you wrote after i am clear.
thank you for how wordy you are, so much help!
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There's the kicker. Neither A, B nor C exist. But A is perhaps defined by B and C, and B is defined by A and C and C is defined by A and B. As long as everyone stays in on the game, reality continues to exist, as soon as some of the symbols opt out, it's game over for everyone.
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trying to read thru what i see as a typo (i'm not trying to offend here :P )

when i turn my head am i seeing the same 'things' as where i was first looking?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11086054


It's all good, lol, i have a lot of those. When you "turn" your head, you are altering your perspective. If no thing is outside your perception and you "look" away, then what you look away from is still represented in your new perspective.
 Quoting: MutantMessiah


"represented in your new perspective"

i trip here. what?
does everything 'change' into what i see instead?
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We perceive nothing as it truly is. It is your perspective that changes, not the symbols. The symbols represented before you turned your head are still represented within the "change" in perspective. I hope this helps.
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"when i turn my head am i seeing the same 'things' as where i was first looking?" your statement here is kind of what i meant by that.

or am i still off
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It's all good, lol, i have a lot of those. When you "turn" your head, you are altering your perspective. If no thing is outside your perception and you "look" away, then what you look away from is still represented in your new perspective.
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"represented in your new perspective"

i trip here. what?
does everything 'change' into what i see instead?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11086054


We perceive nothing as it truly is. It is your perspective that changes, not the symbols. The symbols represented before you turned your head are still represented within the "change" in perspective. I hope this helps.
 Quoting: MutantMessiah


"when i turn my head am i seeing the same 'things' as where i was first looking?" your statement here is kind of what i meant by that.

or am i still off
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Kinda, lol, I'll have to wait to get home to properly respond... this forum is not android friendly.
Consider the possibility that you order yourself into being from chaos... You do this, always, in all ways. This "ordering" has resulted in the possibilities you're experiencing, here, now. In each experience you've ever had, more and more of "this" reality is generated logically from your previous experience. Your observation of this unfolding of order and chaos is reality.
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It's all good, lol, i have a lot of those. When you "turn" your head, you are altering your perspective. If no thing is outside your perception and you "look" away, then what you look away from is still represented in your new perspective.
 Quoting: MutantMessiah


"represented in your new perspective"

i trip here. what?
does everything 'change' into what i see instead?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11086054


We perceive nothing as it truly is. It is your perspective that changes, not the symbols. The symbols represented before you turned your head are still represented within the "change" in perspective. I hope this helps.
 Quoting: MutantMessiah


"when i turn my head am i seeing the same 'things' as where i was first looking?" your statement here is kind of what i meant by that.

or am i still off
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you don't have to be seeing them with your eyes. you could be seeing them in your mind as an example.
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"represented in your new perspective"

i trip here. what?
does everything 'change' into what i see instead?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11086054


We perceive nothing as it truly is. It is your perspective that changes, not the symbols. The symbols represented before you turned your head are still represented within the "change" in perspective. I hope this helps.
 Quoting: MutantMessiah


"when i turn my head am i seeing the same 'things' as where i was first looking?" your statement here is kind of what i meant by that.

or am i still off
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you don't have to be seeing them with your eyes. you could be seeing them in your mind as an example.
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you place a coin on the table. then put a cup over top of it. the coin does not exist in the physical state you are used to because it would be a waste of energy. as soon as the cup is removed, the coin enters that physical state you are used to again.
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for practical purposes maybe, A and B?
also since you're talkiing to me,
wanna tell me
about how other people exist or not...can't grasp that one.
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Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.
not a deep question here, just a practical confusion for the moment i think but: what is A and B?
actually where do the points of perception exist?

is a handbag a point? does it break down into more points when i see its made of other things (strap, handle. etc)

i'll re-read what you wrote after i am clear.
thank you for how wordy you are, so much help!
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A and B behave just like C.
Each point is in relation to something else and cannot exist independently.

As for the handbag, I see it in fractal mode. Meaning, that it depends on how deep you go looking for the relationships.

The handbag is a point, when related to other things in the room.
The strap and handle are points, in relation to the handbag.
The fibers are points, in relation to the handbag's fabric.
etc.

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