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Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

 
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So much I want to ask
"a foundation built on lies is always bound to crumble and those who aren't humble shall tumble to the earth"
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I have so much motivation to learn and grow as a person, but no interest in playing a role that is expected within society. That's where the conflict starts and hasn't stopped. The people around me are content to follow the herd, and think me insane for asking questions, having opinions, wanting something different.
 Quoting: CatCarel


Are you me? haha
 Quoting: Gespenst

Yes!? grinning

Why not work on your ability to change it? Why not try using 'Ecsys' to change [whatever you want]? You say you're not working and not schooling--so why not put in some effort on this (at least)?

How hard have you really tried with [any of this]?

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I really didn't tried ecsys...

You know, sometimes I keep thinking "look at me, reading what a guys who says he's from an 'alternate universe' writes and I'm actually starting to believe in him". And at the same time I think "What if he is not what he says he is? What if he's just playing with us?", so this conflict in my mind prevents me to apply this things in my daily life and I somehow look at this as lite entertainment.

It's like I need more time.
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Sometimes I think Chaol's story is 'out-there' enough to garner credibility, yet mundane enough that we're not too curious about him. It's a clever way to get information across.

So I guess my 'respect' lies more with the mind behind all this, rather than the person, whoever he may be.
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Thank you, Mr. X :)

But how does one go from considering the extent of self to applying, or using it?
How does one take the less desirable aspects of reality and flip them?

Things are changing, for sure, but my surroundings are as solid as ever.
 Quoting: CatCarel



I seek the same answers.

I too find myself connected to less undesirable aspects of reality. This has become a part of my reality and has become very relative to me. We perceive that which takes the least amount of energy to perceive, each day feeds off the last. We have relationships with the undesirable. We need to break free from the undesired part of our reality.

How can you destroy the undesirable reality of yesterday? Ask a destroyer from an "alternate universe".
-Chaol is pointing at the door. Can you open it and create your own steps?

Some rare days click for me where my thoughts pass through my mind and then into reality. I feel my thoughts synchronize with physical reality sorta like a dream.

I'm still learning how to crawl, I can't wait to jump :) jumping in dreams sure is fun.
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Man, I was just thinking with myself... I've put my life in stand by...

Not because Chaol or this thread in particular, but in some way I've got caught in this "end" of the world thing.

I just want to throw this out... I'm doing nothing with my life. Dropped college (because I didn't like the only course that I believed that would like, and I didn't have a second option in mind), can't find a decent job, no motivation to study... And I'm feeling really bad about this.

So, here I am, waiting for 'something' to change the world so I can fit in it... And I don't know how I should feel about this.

And you guys, why you are here?
 Quoting: Gespenst




I relate to your post and your other respondents.

I think that is why I stopped checking these threads for updates daily, and tried to get on with my life. I just couldn't figure out how to apply what I have learnt here to (for example) my health issues, I was hoping if I just ignored them (made them less relevant) they would go away. But they are hard to ignore.

I also struggled with how to combine what I have learnt from this thread and being a mother. I am not at all satisfied with the domestic duties and organizational aspects of being a parent, and I continue to send my kids to school where I know they are taught what to think, not how to think. I don't yet know how to live within this culture yet be not of it...except in my thoughts.

I too feel like I am just waiting for something to happen. Something that will provide the impetus of change and new foundations for living my life, and guiding my children in a way which makes more sense than this current reality, and in a way that just feels right.

Sometimes this cyber reality feels more real and meaningful than my waking life, it is comforting to know that others feel the same. Although I have never touched, seen or heard any contributors to this thread, you have all helped greatly expand my concept of me. And I can't think of any other 'growth' experience that I value higher. So thank you all.
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Man, I was just thinking with myself... I've put my life in stand by...

Not because Chaol or this thread in particular, but in some way I've got caught in this "end" of the world thing.

I just want to throw this out... I'm doing nothing with my life. Dropped college (because I didn't like the only course that I believed that would like, and I didn't have a second option in mind), can't find a decent job, no motivation to study... And I'm feeling really bad about this.

So, here I am, waiting for 'something' to change the world so I can fit in it... And I don't know how I should feel about this.

And you guys, why you are here?
 Quoting: Gespenst




I relate to your post and your other respondents.

I think that is why I stopped checking these threads for updates daily, and tried to get on with my life. I just couldn't figure out how to apply what I have learnt here to (for example) my health issues, I was hoping if I just ignored them (made them less relevant) they would go away. But they are hard to ignore.

I also struggled with how to combine what I have learnt from this thread and being a mother. I am not at all satisfied with the domestic duties and organizational aspects of being a parent, and I continue to send my kids to school where I know they are taught what to think, not how to think. I don't yet know how to live within this culture yet be not of it...except in my thoughts.

I too feel like I am just waiting for something to happen. Something that will provide the impetus of change and new foundations for living my life, and guiding my children in a way which makes more sense than this current reality, and in a way that just feels right.

Sometimes this cyber reality feels more real and meaningful than my waking life, it is comforting to know that others feel the same. Although I have never touched, seen or heard any contributors to this thread, you have all helped greatly expand my concept of me. And I can't think of any other 'growth' experience that I value higher. So thank you all.
 Quoting: curve


So much of your post resonated with me. I realized that the word I've been searching for to describe these discussions and new ideas is meaningful. The thoughts that have been inspired by everyone here trump anything that university lectures ever did for me.

And the funny thing is, it's all intangible, yet so valuable! Maybe this is part of what Chaol's been trying to teach us? Because sure enough, my physical surroundings are slowly losing precedence when I stop to consider what is important. They may not be changing visually, but I guess my perception has drastically shifted.. to value what is nonphysical.

Good grief! I think Chaol and all of you posting have triggered more breakthroughs than my therapist! kitty
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Man, I was just thinking with myself... I've put my life in stand by...

Not because Chaol or this thread in particular, but in some way I've got caught in this "end" of the world thing.

I just want to throw this out... I'm doing nothing with my life. Dropped college (because I didn't like the only course that I believed that would like, and I didn't have a second option in mind), can't find a decent job, no motivation to study... And I'm feeling really bad about this.

So, here I am, waiting for 'something' to change the world so I can fit in it... And I don't know how I should feel about this.

And you guys, why you are here?
 Quoting: Gespenst




I relate to your post and your other respondents.

I think that is why I stopped checking these threads for updates daily, and tried to get on with my life. I just couldn't figure out how to apply what I have learnt here to (for example) my health issues, I was hoping if I just ignored them (made them less relevant) they would go away. But they are hard to ignore.

I also struggled with how to combine what I have learnt from this thread and being a mother. I am not at all satisfied with the domestic duties and organizational aspects of being a parent, and I continue to send my kids to school where I know they are taught what to think, not how to think. I don't yet know how to live within this culture yet be not of it...except in my thoughts.

I too feel like I am just waiting for something to happen. Something that will provide the impetus of change and new foundations for living my life, and guiding my children in a way which makes more sense than this current reality, and in a way that just feels right.

Sometimes this cyber reality feels more real and meaningful than my waking life, it is comforting to know that others feel the same. Although I have never touched, seen or heard any contributors to this thread, you have all helped greatly expand my concept of me. And I can't think of any other 'growth' experience that I value higher. So thank you all.
 Quoting: curve


So much of your post resonated with me. I realized that the word I've been searching for to describe these discussions and new ideas is meaningful. The thoughts that have been inspired by everyone here trump anything that university lectures ever did for me.

And the funny thing is, it's all intangible, yet so valuable! Maybe this is part of what Chaol's been trying to teach us? Because sure enough, my physical surroundings are slowly losing precedence when I stop to consider what is important. They may not be changing visually, but I guess my perception has drastically shifted.. to value what is nonphysical.

Good grief! I think Chaol and all of you posting have triggered more breakthroughs than my therapist! kitty
 Quoting: CatCarel


grouphug
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Man, I was just thinking with myself... I've put my life in stand by...

Not because Chaol or this thread in particular, but in some way I've got caught in this "end" of the world thing.

I just want to throw this out... I'm doing nothing with my life. Dropped college (because I didn't like the only course that I believed that would like, and I didn't have a second option in mind), can't find a decent job, no motivation to study... And I'm feeling really bad about this.

So, here I am, waiting for 'something' to change the world so I can fit in it... And I don't know how I should feel about this.

And you guys, why you are here?
 Quoting: Gespenst


I'm also waiting for "something".
I feel kind of lonely, because the one person I can talk about these thing (wife)is starting to look like she is having enough of me talking about GLP. Altough it's kind of funny being the weirdo of the family.
I supose we'll have to wait.
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You are nearing the end of physical perspective. (Or, it should be said, the brand of physicality you've gotten used to all these years.)

It is time either for an entirely new perspective, or time to perish as things tend to when they've reached the fringes of relevance.

I'm not talking about death and destruction (though every concept needs a logical narrative leading to it from your perspective, doesn't it?). I'm talking more about when the floor collapses beneath your feet, where will you stand?

Which side of the equation do you choose?

The choice is yours.

If you haven't seriously considered the question in the first sentence above, I suppose you've already decided.

There's not really anything more for me to say other than what I've already wrote here and in countless other posts.

Choose to be someone else that you can logically be right now, or forever be an energy stuck in the current loop.

It's not about them or that. It's about You.
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Man, I was just thinking with myself... I've put my life in stand by...

Not because Chaol or this thread in particular, but in some way I've got caught in this "end" of the world thing.

I just want to throw this out... I'm doing nothing with my life. Dropped college (because I didn't like the only course that I believed that would like, and I didn't have a second option in mind), can't find a decent job, no motivation to study... And I'm feeling really bad about this.

So, here I am, waiting for 'something' to change the world so I can fit in it... And I don't know how I should feel about this.

And you guys, why you are here?
 Quoting: Gespenst


I'm also waiting for "something".
I feel kind of lonely, because the one person I can talk about these thing (wife)is starting to look like she is having enough of me talking about GLP. Altough it's kind of funny being the weirdo of the family.
I supose we'll have to wait.
 Quoting: miqq


Same here. I feel like "my life is in standby" as well, for some years already.

Some things start to go well though (since January I got my dream car (I know that's materialistic... ;-) ), and since a few weeks I got what comes close to my dream job).
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I really didn't tried ecsys...

You know, sometimes I keep thinking "look at me, reading what a guys who says he's from an 'alternate universe' writes and I'm actually starting to believe in him". And at the same time I think "What if he is not what he says he is? What if he's just playing with us?", so this conflict in my mind prevents me to apply this things in my daily life and I somehow look at this as lite entertainment.

It's like I need more time.
 Quoting: Gespenst



Por que não tentar usar ecsys? Não demorou muito para provar algo básico com este "sistema". Mas a verdadeira questão é:

Você tem medo que Chaol está certo? Ou você está com medo que você vai provar que ele estava errado?

A Escolha.
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Cheer up guys. Life will never be better or worse than you say it is. Why is everyone waiting for a change? The thing is, only you can discover the change even if its already changed, which of course it has. It doesn't seem like many of you have made change relevant enough to your lives.

Chaol is only pointing out some possibilities, he can't make you experience them. Welcome the unexpected, as soon as you finish reading this, do something you don't usually do, think in ways you never have about what you usually don't. Most important is the "doing" as Chaol pointed out before. The doing is a result of your thoughts as your actions stem from intentions.

Be the change, as fantasizing about it is resisting it. You can never want what you already have..
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I really didn't tried ecsys...

You know, sometimes I keep thinking "look at me, reading what a guys who says he's from an 'alternate universe' writes and I'm actually starting to believe in him". And at the same time I think "What if he is not what he says he is? What if he's just playing with us?", so this conflict in my mind prevents me to apply this things in my daily life and I somehow look at this as lite entertainment.

It's like I need more time.
 Quoting: Gespenst



Por que não tentar usar ecsys? Não demorou muito para provar algo básico com este "sistema". Mas a verdadeira questão é:

Você tem medo que Chaol está certo? Ou você está com medo que você vai provar que ele estava errado?

A Escolha.
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Definitivamente é a segunda opção.
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Anyone else feel that energy shift yesterday?
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Cheer up guys. Life will never be better or worse than you say it is. Why is everyone waiting for a change? The thing is, only you can discover the change even if its already changed, which of course it has. It doesn't seem like many of you have made change relevant enough to your lives.

Chaol is only pointing out some possibilities, he can't make you experience them. Welcome the unexpected, as soon as you finish reading this, do something you don't usually do, think in ways you never have about what you usually don't. Most important is the "doing" as Chaol pointed out before. The doing is a result of your thoughts as your actions stem from intentions.

Be the change, as fantasizing about it is resisting it. You can never want what you already have..
 Quoting: (MaJorMan)


How easy you make it all sound! coffee4

I don't think any of us implied that we're relying on Chaol for these changes- just that we sense something different, and want something different.

Your post reads more like a textbook than something that's applicable to the real world. I've found that making changes is messy business because reality has so many variables; it's not just me (at the moment). I can intend and do all I want, but the rest of the world has to catch up. And until they do, it's absolute chaos.
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Anyone else feel that energy shift yesterday?
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I was so happy yesterday, for no reason at all! And today I woke up in a glorious mood..

Wtf? :)
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Man, I was just thinking with myself... I've put my life in stand by...

Not because Chaol or this thread in particular, but in some way I've got caught in this "end" of the world thing.

I just want to throw this out... I'm doing nothing with my life. Dropped college (because I didn't like the only course that I believed that would like, and I didn't have a second option in mind), can't find a decent job, no motivation to study... And I'm feeling really bad about this.

So, here I am, waiting for 'something' to change the world so I can fit in it... And I don't know how I should feel about this.

And you guys, why you are here?
 Quoting: Gespenst


I'm also waiting for "something".
I feel kind of lonely, because the one person I can talk about these thing (wife)is starting to look like she is having enough of me talking about GLP. Altough it's kind of funny being the weirdo of the family.
I supose we'll have to wait.
 Quoting: miqq


Same here. I feel like "my life is in standby" as well, for some years already.

Some things start to go well though (since January I got my dream car (I know that's materialistic... ;-) ), and since a few weeks I got what comes close to my dream job).
 Quoting: tuuuuur


Same here, definitely feel that feeling of "something" coming. It has been repeated in my dreams to me over and over again as well. (and sometimes my dreams come true). It's an odd feeling being completely stuck and while at the same time feeling I can make very drastic, and great, positive changes in my life. Glad I'm not the only one, but birds of a feather flock together, even digitally. grouphug
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Anyone else feel that energy shift yesterday?
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I was so happy yesterday, for no reason at all! And today I woke up in a glorious mood..

Wtf? :)
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Funny...same here.
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Are most terrified of changing their own perspective? Surely, even if they think they want to experience this and that reality.

And so here we are. Running scared that our reality may be changed dramatically. That we may lift the veil, consciously, and redefine what it means to be "me".

Really, we are afraid of not existing.

And for this we often find a way to resist, fear, and try to find something wrong with it.

You don't need to do what I prescribe to experience the dream world. You do it by yourself all the time, effortlessly.

But to change the meaning of your current physicality requires that you do something that you probably do not want to do.

This is neither bad nor good, of course. It's just something you can either do now or when you're dead.

(And how many of us would fear, and see the last line as a threat?)
 Quoting: Chaol



What is Chaol's message here? (But to change the meaning of your current physicality requires that you do something that you probably do not want to do.)

How would you apply the message to your perspective, to break free from solid surroundings, to redefine what it means to be "me".?

Is this the change we feel coming?

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How easy you make it all sound! coffee4

I don't think any of us implied that we're relying on Chaol for these changes- just that we sense something different, and want something different.

Your post reads more like a textbook than something that's applicable to the real world. I've found that making changes is messy business because reality has so many variables; it's not just me (at the moment). I can intend and do all I want, but the rest of the world has to catch up. And until they do, it's absolute chaos.
 Quoting: CatCarel


I have some thoughts on applicable methods.

One action that can help you obtain more control over your experiences is to actively control what you are feeling in any moment - using the feeling of appreciation or excitement as your anchor point. You can do this by recalling an experience you had which filled you with either of those emotions. Go beyond just remembering and try to re-experience it by feeling it also within your body - how it felt to laugh, how your body feels when excited, the surge of energy, the wide-awakeness, etc. Get to the point where you can re-immerse yourself in the experience of it. If you've had no experiences that you are able to do this with, then you can use imagination by conjuring up day dreams that excite you or watching a movie that excites you, gets you into a state of appreciation or excitement. You can even create a word or symbol that you look at when feeling this way until you've done it often enough that just looking at the symbol or thinking the word immediately brings the sensation of appreciation or excitement back. Eventually, you become so familiar with the sensation of either emotion, that you can recall it at will immediately without needing a symbol or the effort of recalling the past.

Once in either emotional state, take a quiet moment to memorize the sensations you experience within your self - how it feels, like you are wearing a suit of excitement or appreciation. Like you are emitting an energy - become familiar with the sensation of it, it can be your anchor. This will become your predominant energetic state, and when you deviate from it, you will notice more quickly (as in be in conscious awareness of how you are reacting to things), and you will be able to bring yourself back to the preferred state quickly. Things brings you in control of your energy.

This new energetic state will become your dominant state. When you deliberately bring yourself to it and focus on it, you will be making it stronger which will attract more of the same energy to you. Since at any time you could be emitting a complex arrangement of frequencies, this controlling of your predominant frequency would begin to influence others around you as they begin to resonate with that frequency. It would be like hitting a tuning fork and that tuning fork begins to make nearby tuning forks vibrate, although much less. If other tuning forks nearby are vibrating at a different frequency, they could influence the original tuning fork unless the original one is itself hit continuously so it can emit its own frequency.

This makes sense more if you imagine yourself and every person to be a source of energy. You have the infinite spectrum of energy available to you and your system of beliefs is the filter that you place over this infinite energy to filter out all but what you believe. For example, someone can believe elves live in the center of the Earth, but you don't believe in elves or a hollow earth, so you filter out this energy. As the other person resonates with this belief, it cannot trigger a harmonic resonance within you, because your belief filter has blocked this frequency - there's no energy coming in at that particular frequency to resonate with. If you open yourself up to the possibility, then your filter may open a bit and you start perceiving information about elves or a hollow Earth. Then it is your choice whether to reject it or go with it (this is just a fun example). Every belief is a choice. Every interaction you have with anything is a reflection of a belief. All of it is attracted to you based on the energies you radiate. You stand at the center of your own universe. You can never truly know what anyone else perceives because all of what you perceive is you - your reflections. Interactions with other people are possible because at least part of your energies are in alignment - they resonate. Change this energy you are emitting, then the interaction changes. That's where the control of energy mentioned above comes in handy. Go back to this energy, change the way you respond to things you perceive based on how you would prefer to respond, not based on your reflexive reaction - this reaction is betraying a belief, a belief that you can change if you can recognize what it is. For instance, if you want to punch someone in the face because they tossed an insult at you, then let your imagination do it so the desire passes through you, then recall your anchor point emotion and proceed from there. This is your point of inspiration. Your inspiration will lead you where you want to go.
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Are most terrified of changing their own perspective? Surely, even if they think they want to experience this and that reality.

And so here we are. Running scared that our reality may be changed dramatically. That we may lift the veil, consciously, and redefine what it means to be "me".

Really, we are afraid of not existing.

And for this we often find a way to resist, fear, and try to find something wrong with it.

You don't need to do what I prescribe to experience the dream world. You do it by yourself all the time, effortlessly.

But to change the meaning of your current physicality requires that you do something that you probably do not want to do.

This is neither bad nor good, of course. It's just something you can either do now or when you're dead.

(And how many of us would fear, and see the last line as a threat?)
 Quoting: Chaol



What is Chaol's message here? (But to change the meaning of your current physicality requires that you do something that you probably do not want to do.)

How would you apply the message to your perspective, to break free from solid surroundings, to redefine what it means to be "me".?

Is this the change we feel coming?
 Quoting: SpawnX


I think we fear not existing as the person we believe ourself to be. We've shaped our lives around a certain identity, personality, character, and changing that implies the person behind those traits will cease to be.

Because most of us are raised to believe that life is a one-shot deal. Who would be crazy enough to constantly shed identities at the risk of things going wrong? No, once we find a comfortable personality we assume that this is who we're meant to be.

But if something drastic were to happen, like hellfire and geothermal nuclear warfare, we'd be forced into new roles- that change of character would be justified and necessary- and that's a good thing!

I mean who doesn't want to go all Mr. And Mrs. Smith and play hide and seek with machine guns?! It just has to have an appropriate context...

So until that 'something' arrives, most of us stay within the boundaries of our personality- and plot wickedly in the dreamscape;)
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Cheer up guys. Life will never be better or worse than you say it is. Why is everyone waiting for a change? The thing is, only you can discover the change even if its already changed, which of course it has. It doesn't seem like many of you have made change relevant enough to your lives.

Chaol is only pointing out some possibilities, he can't make you experience them. Welcome the unexpected, as soon as you finish reading this, do something you don't usually do, think in ways you never have about what you usually don't. Most important is the "doing" as Chaol pointed out before. The doing is a result of your thoughts as your actions stem from intentions.

Be the change, as fantasizing about it is resisting it. You can never want what you already have..
 Quoting: (MaJorMan)


How easy you make it all sound! coffee4

I don't think any of us implied that we're relying on Chaol for these changes- just that we sense something different, and want something different.

Your post reads more like a textbook than something that's applicable to the real world. I've found that making changes is messy business because reality has so many variables; it's not just me (at the moment). I can intend and do all I want, but the rest of the world has to catch up. And until they do, it's absolute chaos.
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Lol.. the rest of the world?
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How easy you make it all sound! coffee4

I don't think any of us implied that we're relying on Chaol for these changes- just that we sense something different, and want something different.

Your post reads more like a textbook than something that's applicable to the real world. I've found that making changes is messy business because reality has so many variables; it's not just me (at the moment). I can intend and do all I want, but the rest of the world has to catch up. And until they do, it's absolute chaos.
 Quoting: CatCarel


I have some thoughts on applicable methods.

One action that can help you obtain more control over your experiences is to actively control what you are feeling in any moment - using the feeling of appreciation or excitement as your anchor point. You can do this by recalling an experience you had which filled you with either of those emotions. Go beyond just remembering and try to re-experience it by feeling it also within your body - how it felt to laugh, how your body feels when excited, the surge of energy, the wide-awakeness, etc. Get to the point where you can re-immerse yourself in the experience of it. If you've had no experiences that you are able to do this with, then you can use imagination by conjuring up day dreams that excite you or watching a movie that excites you, gets you into a state of appreciation or excitement. You can even create a word or symbol that you look at when feeling this way until you've done it often enough that just looking at the symbol or thinking the word immediately brings the sensation of appreciation or excitement back. Eventually, you become so familiar with the sensation of either emotion, that you can recall it at will immediately without needing a symbol or the effort of recalling the past.

Once in either emotional state, take a quiet moment to memorize the sensations you experience within your self - how it feels, like you are wearing a suit of excitement or appreciation. Like you are emitting an energy - become familiar with the sensation of it, it can be your anchor. This will become your predominant energetic state, and when you deviate from it, you will notice more quickly (as in be in conscious awareness of how you are reacting to things), and you will be able to bring yourself back to the preferred state quickly. Things brings you in control of your energy.

This new energetic state will become your dominant state. When you deliberately bring yourself to it and focus on it, you will be making it stronger which will attract more of the same energy to you. Since at any time you could be emitting a complex arrangement of frequencies, this controlling of your predominant frequency would begin to influence others around you as they begin to resonate with that frequency. It would be like hitting a tuning fork and that tuning fork begins to make nearby tuning forks vibrate, although much less. If other tuning forks nearby are vibrating at a different frequency, they could influence the original tuning fork unless the original one is itself hit continuously so it can emit its own frequency.

This makes sense more if you imagine yourself and every person to be a source of energy. You have the infinite spectrum of energy available to you and your system of beliefs is the filter that you place over this infinite energy to filter out all but what you believe. For example, someone can believe elves live in the center of the Earth, but you don't believe in elves or a hollow earth, so you filter out this energy. As the other person resonates with this belief, it cannot trigger a harmonic resonance within you, because your belief filter has blocked this frequency - there's no energy coming in at that particular frequency to resonate with. If you open yourself up to the possibility, then your filter may open a bit and you start perceiving information about elves or a hollow Earth. Then it is your choice whether to reject it or go with it (this is just a fun example). Every belief is a choice. Every interaction you have with anything is a reflection of a belief. All of it is attracted to you based on the energies you radiate. You stand at the center of your own universe. You can never truly know what anyone else perceives because all of what you perceive is you - your reflections. Interactions with other people are possible because at least part of your energies are in alignment - they resonate. Change this energy you are emitting, then the interaction changes. That's where the control of energy mentioned above comes in handy. Go back to this energy, change the way you respond to things you perceive based on how you would prefer to respond, not based on your reflexive reaction - this reaction is betraying a belief, a belief that you can change if you can recognize what it is. For instance, if you want to punch someone in the face because they tossed an insult at you, then let your imagination do it so the desire passes through you, then recall your anchor point emotion and proceed from there. This is your point of inspiration. Your inspiration will lead you where you want to go.
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Thank you so much for the reply! I know exactly what you mean- and that seems to the problem right now.

I've always encoded memories in places, scents, and sounds. Nearly everything around me holds a piece of the past, which really wasn't a problem until this last year. Now, however, I find myself bombarded with memories that I no longer want to remember. My favorite songs are like time machines to a world that I destroyed and walked away from.

So the biggest challenge has been creating new, neutral, peaceful triggers that keep me in the present. And I'm forcing myself not to rely on previous mental maps. Things were much easier when I could use those past energies to change a situation, but now I've kind of put myself on a blank page and have to start a story from the beginning.

Btw, how amazing are tuning forks!? I completely understand that analogy.. and that's a really nice visual to focus on!:)
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Cheer up guys. Life will never be better or worse than you say it is. Why is everyone waiting for a change? The thing is, only you can discover the change even if its already changed, which of course it has. It doesn't seem like many of you have made change relevant enough to your lives.

Chaol is only pointing out some possibilities, he can't make you experience them. Welcome the unexpected, as soon as you finish reading this, do something you don't usually do, think in ways you never have about what you usually don't. Most important is the "doing" as Chaol pointed out before. The doing is a result of your thoughts as your actions stem from intentions.

Be the change, as fantasizing about it is resisting it. You can never want what you already have..
 Quoting: (MaJorMan)


How easy you make it all sound! coffee4

I don't think any of us implied that we're relying on Chaol for these changes- just that we sense something different, and want something different.

Your post reads more like a textbook than something that's applicable to the real world. I've found that making changes is messy business because reality has so many variables; it's not just me (at the moment). I can intend and do all I want, but the rest of the world has to catch up. And until they do, it's absolute chaos.
 Quoting: CatCarel


Lol.. the rest of the world?
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All the not-me's that surround me.. I know, I know; they're all me. The rest of *my world.
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I relate to your post and your other respondents.

I think that is why I stopped checking these threads for updates daily, and tried to get on with my life. I just couldn't figure out how to apply what I have learnt here to (for example) my health issues, I was hoping if I just ignored them (made them less relevant) they would go away. But they are hard to ignore.

I also struggled with how to combine what I have learnt from this thread and being a mother. I am not at all satisfied with the domestic duties and organizational aspects of being a parent, and I continue to send my kids to school where I know they are taught what to think, not how to think. I don't yet know how to live within this culture yet be not of it...except in my thoughts.

I too feel like I am just waiting for something to happen. Something that will provide the impetus of change and new foundations for living my life, and guiding my children in a way which makes more sense than this current reality, and in a way that just feels right.

Sometimes this cyber reality feels more real and meaningful than my waking life, it is comforting to know that others feel the same. Although I have never touched, seen or heard any contributors to this thread, you have all helped greatly expand my concept of me. And I can't think of any other 'growth' experience that I value higher. So thank you all.
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Good to see you 'back', Curve, although maybe you've not been gone
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Same here. I feel like "my life is in standby" as well, for some years already.

Some things start to go well though (since January I got my dream car (I know that's materialistic... ;-) ), and since a few weeks I got what comes close to my dream job).
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Well done, Tuuuuur! Materialistic or not, you've made it happen
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How easy you make it all sound! coffee4

I don't think any of us implied that we're relying on Chaol for these changes- just that we sense something different, and want something different.

Your post reads more like a textbook than something that's applicable to the real world. I've found that making changes is messy business because reality has so many variables; it's not just me (at the moment). I can intend and do all I want, but the rest of the world has to catch up. And until they do, it's absolute chaos.
 Quoting: CatCarel


I have some thoughts on applicable methods.

One action that can help you obtain more control over your experiences is to actively control what you are feeling in any moment - using the feeling of appreciation or excitement as your anchor point. You can do this by recalling an experience you had which filled you with either of those emotions. Go beyond just remembering and try to re-experience it by feeling it also within your body - how it felt to laugh, how your body feels when excited, the surge of energy, the wide-awakeness, etc. Get to the point where you can re-immerse yourself in the experience of it. If you've had no experiences that you are able to do this with, then you can use imagination by conjuring up day dreams that excite you or watching a movie that excites you, gets you into a state of appreciation or excitement. You can even create a word or symbol that you look at when feeling this way until you've done it often enough that just looking at the symbol or thinking the word immediately brings the sensation of appreciation or excitement back. Eventually, you become so familiar with the sensation of either emotion, that you can recall it at will immediately without needing a symbol or the effort of recalling the past.

Once in either emotional state, take a quiet moment to memorize the sensations you experience within your self - how it feels, like you are wearing a suit of excitement or appreciation. Like you are emitting an energy - become familiar with the sensation of it, it can be your anchor. This will become your predominant energetic state, and when you deviate from it, you will notice more quickly (as in be in conscious awareness of how you are reacting to things), and you will be able to bring yourself back to the preferred state quickly. Things brings you in control of your energy.

This new energetic state will become your dominant state. When you deliberately bring yourself to it and focus on it, you will be making it stronger which will attract more of the same energy to you. Since at any time you could be emitting a complex arrangement of frequencies, this controlling of your predominant frequency would begin to influence others around you as they begin to resonate with that frequency. It would be like hitting a tuning fork and that tuning fork begins to make nearby tuning forks vibrate, although much less. If other tuning forks nearby are vibrating at a different frequency, they could influence the original tuning fork unless the original one is itself hit continuously so it can emit its own frequency.

This makes sense more if you imagine yourself and every person to be a source of energy. You have the infinite spectrum of energy available to you and your system of beliefs is the filter that you place over this infinite energy to filter out all but what you believe. For example, someone can believe elves live in the center of the Earth, but you don't believe in elves or a hollow earth, so you filter out this energy. As the other person resonates with this belief, it cannot trigger a harmonic resonance within you, because your belief filter has blocked this frequency - there's no energy coming in at that particular frequency to resonate with. If you open yourself up to the possibility, then your filter may open a bit and you start perceiving information about elves or a hollow Earth. Then it is your choice whether to reject it or go with it (this is just a fun example). Every belief is a choice. Every interaction you have with anything is a reflection of a belief. All of it is attracted to you based on the energies you radiate. You stand at the center of your own universe. You can never truly know what anyone else perceives because all of what you perceive is you - your reflections. Interactions with other people are possible because at least part of your energies are in alignment - they resonate. Change this energy you are emitting, then the interaction changes. That's where the control of energy mentioned above comes in handy. Go back to this energy, change the way you respond to things you perceive based on how you would prefer to respond, not based on your reflexive reaction - this reaction is betraying a belief, a belief that you can change if you can recognize what it is. For instance, if you want to punch someone in the face because they tossed an insult at you, then let your imagination do it so the desire passes through you, then recall your anchor point emotion and proceed from there. This is your point of inspiration. Your inspiration will lead you where you want to go.
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Great stuff, AC
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I went on a long journey recently to visit a friend. It seems clear to me that what happened was I instantly translocated to be in his physical presence. However, my brain needed a logic and conspired to imagine the car I got into, a series of actions called 'driving', a varied landscape and a sense of time and only then did I allow myself to arrive in my friend's presence.
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agent Horus is on the Horizon.
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I went on a long journey recently to visit a friend. It seems clear to me that what happened was I instantly translocated to be in his physical presence. However, my brain needed a logic and conspired to imagine the car I got into, a series of actions called 'driving', a varied landscape and a sense of time and only then did I allow myself to arrive in my friend's presence.
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Yes yes yes! This is what I'm talking about! More of these realisations please people.

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