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# Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

Marshwiggle

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53 times round the sun Sue here
Quoting: Marshwiggle

Sue! You're Sue! How do you do? :)
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6853315

I do really well, thanks, Kath :)
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26100408

Anyone else trying the Expanded Perspective Exercise?

I'm a bit stuck with changing the value of the elements.
For instance, if I'm thinking of getting from here to there...

Symbol - car
Possiblity - landscape
Logic - get in and out

So, if I choose to keep the symbol, the car, I'm stuck with ideas to change the interaction and the possibility.
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These were me, I got logged out
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53 times round the sun Sue here
Quoting: Marshwiggle

Sue! You're Sue! How do you do? :)
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6853315

I do really well, thanks, Kath :)
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26100408

Anyone else trying the Expanded Perspective Exercise?

I'm a bit stuck with changing the value of the elements.
For instance, if I'm thinking of getting from here to there...

Symbol - car
Possiblity - landscape
Logic - get in and out

So, if I choose to keep the symbol, the car, I'm stuck with ideas to change the interaction and the possibility.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26100408

These were me, I got logged out
Quoting: Marshwiggle

I'm not sure if I can help much but remember (bear in mind) the car could be a possibility and the landscape could be the symbol so it should be easier to manipulate when you remember that.
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I LOVE Neuronics! Chaol was right, it works very fast in changing perceptions. Just made up a string this morning and won myself a tenner on the lottery
Marshwiggle

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10/25/2012 01:58 PM
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Sue! You're Sue! How do you do? :)
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6853315

I do really well, thanks, Kath :)
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26100408

Anyone else trying the Expanded Perspective Exercise?

I'm a bit stuck with changing the value of the elements.
For instance, if I'm thinking of getting from here to there...

Symbol - car
Possiblity - landscape
Logic - get in and out

So, if I choose to keep the symbol, the car, I'm stuck with ideas to change the interaction and the possibility.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26100408

These were me, I got logged out
Quoting: Marshwiggle

I'm not sure if I can help much but remember (bear in mind) the car could be a possibility and the landscape could be the symbol so it should be easier to manipulate when you remember that.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26270017

So, do you mean that it would be effective to simply swop them round, rather than think up new elements? Thank you, Friend

Last Edited by Marshwiggle on 10/25/2012 01:59 PM
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I do really well, thanks, Kath :)
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26100408

Anyone else trying the Expanded Perspective Exercise?

I'm a bit stuck with changing the value of the elements.
For instance, if I'm thinking of getting from here to there...

Symbol - car
Possiblity - landscape
Logic - get in and out

So, if I choose to keep the symbol, the car, I'm stuck with ideas to change the interaction and the possibility.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26100408

These were me, I got logged out
Quoting: Marshwiggle

I'm not sure if I can help much but remember (bear in mind) the car could be a possibility and the landscape could be the symbol so it should be easier to manipulate when you remember that.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26270017

So, do you mean that it would be effective to simply swop them round, rather than think up new elements? Thank you, Friend
Quoting: Marshwiggle

Anything really can be any of the elements from your perspective. The car can be a symbol (wow, nice car); interaction (used in getting to a destination); possibility (you can literally end up anywhere); logic (arriving at a destination). So when you feel stuck, you can change it till it suits what you're trying to achieve. It's not really easy to explain in words.

Remember we're not trying to create anything because nothing is created but perceived. I'm not sure what this expanded perspective exercise is meant to really do but from what I've learned of Neuronics, I can propose (purely as an example!):

Always need an input and an output, so

Input high symbol (car); output high interaction (driving the car through roads etc) so Neuronicon will be OO as in BOOK
Input high interaction (going past the different landscapes, scenery); output high possibility (you can literally end up anywhere!) so Neuronicon will be OR as in SORT
Finally you can input neutral possibility (again the car can be used as a possibility since its an object and any object really is just a possibility); and output high logic (get to desired destination in the desired time) so Neuronicon will be SUMI.
Now these three neuronicons now form a string that represents what you want to perceive. Learn their pronunciations and their shapes and you're well on your way.

I'm still learning and I hope to learn even more but I must say the stuff really and truly works not just because I won some money for my lunch today :)
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Sorry for the delay, Im the poster who is working on the program.

I originally typed out a massive post explaining everything only to get IP banned after hitting submit.

Changed my IP typed a medium sized post, hit submit, IP was banned again.

Third time, I upgraded my account, typed a small post explaining it all, hit submit and it didn't work!?!?!? Also Yes im a fool for not saving my post lol anyway!

Fourth time at 12:21am trying a new image host -.-

IMAGE ( [link to i1358.photobucket.com] )

The image above roughly shows the program and how you translate your words into EC, the aim of the program is to let the user create a custom dictionary in EC.

I will do a better write up tomorrow sorry guys/gals, Ive just typed too much, I need to leave the screen before I go mad.
Quoting: LeKing

I loved it! The format is direct to the point and easy to follow. Excellent job.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1633800

Agreed. His work is truly a gift.

Do you have a feel for the language yet? I don't. I'll probably just have to experiment to begin with.

I couldn't figure out how to drive a car...until my dad told me, one time, to back the car out of the drive-way. That did it for me. I got it.

So, my plan is to just try ordinary things I'm used to before the GREAT ADVENTURE!!!!
Quoting: Unit3

Feel'n...I said yes! I have/has been using Ecsys system for almost a year and still learning new way. I found myself that work for me, I always remember and apply the 4 Code of Ecsys (1. House of Orbia 2. House of Kosmosis 3. House of Chaos 4. House of Thoht)in daily basis whether I am at work, home and etc. Genius system does worked.

I work in IT dept. and my jobs is to test the program before to put into production. Yes and agreed...he did excellent job and I look forward to use it.
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33 year old Laura here btw
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8552005

53 times round the sun Sue here
Quoting: Marshwiggle

I'm the youngest here? 22.
Quoting: Gespenst

I'm 22!
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21 = I WIN!

My name is also Jesse...
Unit3

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Sorry for the delay, Im the poster who is working on the program.

I originally typed out a massive post explaining everything only to get IP banned after hitting submit.

Changed my IP typed a medium sized post, hit submit, IP was banned again.

Third time, I upgraded my account, typed a small post explaining it all, hit submit and it didn't work!?!?!? Also Yes im a fool for not saving my post lol anyway!

Fourth time at 12:21am trying a new image host -.-

IMAGE ( [link to i1358.photobucket.com] )

The image above roughly shows the program and how you translate your words into EC, the aim of the program is to let the user create a custom dictionary in EC.

I will do a better write up tomorrow sorry guys/gals, Ive just typed too much, I need to leave the screen before I go mad.
Quoting: LeKing

I loved it! The format is direct to the point and easy to follow. Excellent job.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1633800

Agreed. His work is truly a gift.

Do you have a feel for the language yet? I don't. I'll probably just have to experiment to begin with.

I couldn't figure out how to drive a car...until my dad told me, one time, to back the car out of the drive-way. That did it for me. I got it.

So, my plan is to just try ordinary things I'm used to before the GREAT ADVENTURE!!!!
Quoting: Unit3

Feel'n...I said yes! I have/has been using Ecsys system for almost a year and still learning new way. I found myself that work for me, I always remember and apply the 4 Code of Ecsys (1. House of Orbia 2. House of Kosmosis 3. House of Chaos 4. House of Thoht)in daily basis whether I am at work, home and etc. Genius system does worked.

I work in IT dept. and my jobs is to test the program before to put into production. Yes and agreed...he did excellent job and I look forward to use it.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1633800

Dang! Almost a year? I really appreciate this. I'm thrilled to get to talk to someone that has done it this long.

So you just use Genius with the Code basically? I'm using Genius and code also. I interact with anything new that pops up the best I can. And, that's about it so far but I can say, things definitely keep popping up on a more regular basis.

I don't quite understand the rest of the information on the website yet. It's kind of hard for me because I've used my own way for making symbols and it seems easy to me.

Do you do the input/output thing too?

Thanks again.

"We are the music makers. And we are the dreamers of dreams." Willy Wonka
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10/25/2012 05:10 PM
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The only way I can learn anything is to give it a real go. I'm very lazy (my own opinion) so I don't always give it the real go it deserves. But with anything that excites me, I want to know all about it!
Didn't make a proper genius model till about 2/3 weeks ago and just started on Neuronics about a week ago. But I think I have got the basics because I either had a shift in perspective due to the genius model, or I was hungry enough for the knowledge to start to apply it.
If you study it even at a glance, the concept is easy to get. One of the most basic rule about the neuronicons is that there is an input and an output for each icon. This is the way it works. So it's not a matter of choice. It's a given.

This is what I have understood so far. Please correct me if I'm on the wrong track.
Marshwiggle

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10/25/2012 05:39 PM
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There are some amazing 5, 6, 7 and 8 year olds on the planet right now.

Quoting: Unit3

Thank you for this, by the way, Unit - it blew me away!
Marshwiggle

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Anything really can be any of the elements from your perspective. The car can be a symbol (wow, nice car); interaction (used in getting to a destination); possibility (you can literally end up anywhere); logic (arriving at a destination). So when you feel stuck, you can change it till it suits what you're trying to achieve. It's not really easy to explain in words.

Remember we're not trying to create anything because nothing is created but perceived. I'm not sure what this expanded perspective exercise is meant to really do but from what I've learned of Neuronics, I can propose (purely as an example!):

Always need an input and an output, so

Input high symbol (car); output high interaction (driving the car through roads etc) so Neuronicon will be OO as in BOOK
Input high interaction (going past the different landscapes, scenery); output high possibility (you can literally end up anywhere!) so Neuronicon will be OR as in SORT
Finally you can input neutral possibility (again the car can be used as a possibility since its an object and any object really is just a possibility); and output high logic (get to desired destination in the desired time) so Neuronicon will be SUMI.
Now these three neuronicons now form a string that represents what you want to perceive. Learn their pronunciations and their shapes and you're well on your way.

I'm still learning and I hope to learn even more but I must say the stuff really and truly works not just because I won some money for my lunch today :)
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8552005

Thanks, AC, for your comments. I've not got into neuronics yet - just took a brief look a year or so ago.

I understand the Expanded Perspective Exercise to be very important - it's like something amazing is hidden behind a veil and I can't quite perceive it - yet!
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There are some amazing 5, 6, 7 and 8 year olds on the planet right now.

Quoting: Unit3

Thank you for this, by the way, Unit - it blew me away!
Quoting: Marshwiggle

YW. I'm glad you enjoyed it.

He is amazing and there are others I know personally or know of, who don't have YT vid.

We are surrounded.

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Chaol,

Thank you for teaching us why the birth certificate is such an important symbol and the strange form of logic that applies to it.
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Hello!

I have been living in this world for some time now.

I came from a place also named Earth, much like this planet. There are a number of differences between my home and yours.

I thought it would be interesting to share a few things with you that are relatively common knowledge where I am from. My reasons for doing so will probably be more apparent in the future.

* Consciousness does not exist (but relationships do)
* Matter is gravity that has been structured
* We are not human (we are perspectives)
* When the totality of something cannot be grasped, it appears infinite.
* Space is not physical
* There is no "now" or "here", but relationships.

We use a kind of language like you use numbers here. Numbers, representations of abstract concepts, were 'invented' to work more easily with the world around us. Our language is no different.

If it were invented today it would probably be thought of as existing in parallel with science. A new kind of science.

This language also enables the shifting of perspective like a kind of mental technology. Some of you may find it quite interesting.

If anyone is interested in learning more please let me know.

Thanks.
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No thanks, not interested. Prove that consciousness does not exist.
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Am I a "starseed"
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If your query was for me, I do not know what a starseed is so would not be able to properly respond.
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About tree on Mars. That's impossible.......Oh! Wait
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The physical Earth is larger, of course, but the surface is mostly water.

Mars has very little visible surface water.

More high-resolution photos of the more populated areas of the planet would produce better images of forests.
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I would read every single post and absorb all the information and energy I could.

Edit: And now, after reading your posts, I see that I would limit my perspective by doing so.
Quoting: Unit3

There was a time when such beings were worshipped as gods. Today would be no different.

I'd rather just be a guy in a cafe, or just a stranger on the bus.

And, most likely, your perspective would indeed be limited. The 'value' would be satisfied externally, much in the same way we can accomplish amazing physical feats ourselves but would probably rather watch an athlete do it.
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remember that a chocolate mint ice cream cone is an illusion. So when you, for example, 'wish' for it you are not really wishing for anything because there is no ice cream cone.

You have to wish around it. Meaning, you are bringing the perspective about that contains the ice cream cone relationships.

What does it mean to engage new ice cream cone perspectives? Well, think about what it means. Maybe someone else wants to have a bite.. who is it? You need napkins. What do they look like? It makes you thirsty. What's your drink? Darn, it fell on the carpet! What do you need to use to clean it up? It makes you feel happy and bloated afterwards. What is that like and when else have you felt that way?

The ice cream cone exists only in these relationships.

Perceive the relationships and the cone will begin to be experienced.

(The cone itself is irrelevant. However, the cone can become more relevant by perceiving its relationships. Don't think about the cone directly.)

Hope this helps :)
Quoting: Chaol

It does, thanks!

Before seeing your response, I had arrived at an idea, where making it (the goal) irrelevant might also mean it would naturally no longer be desired/wished-for (as with the wall being no longer relevant once having found myself outside of it, in a park).

For example, if I were to find myself in the year 2150, a chocolate mint ice-cream cone might not exist (at least not how one looks today), as would be the case if I found myself in the "year" 1435 (in quotes because dates are values of perspective, wheres). The cone and its relationships might continue to exist in some "essence" way, however they would have shape-shifted (So, they'd be new symbols/relationships entirely, I guess?).

I could also find myself in one minute eating pie instead, because that is what showed up as I walked the path of least resistance.

Your explanation above was indeed helpful, adding a different dimension to things... In line with the concept of a key and literally what a key is and how it functions, that I'd come to but hadn't been able to figure out the application of in terms of ice-cream cones until now.

"... can become more relevant by perceiving its relationships"

Geometry. Thank you.

PS: I feel like I am doing the expansion exercise already, via this thread and others and conversation and writing, etc. Hmm.

*I'm traveling, so my login thingy is different. But I'm usually @918001
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22637982

Good insight.

Actually, by focusing on what you think it is you are making its possibility more irrelevant.

If someone, for example, thinks that they want to be rich and focuses on how they can win their local lottery (to get there) I would suggest that they forget about the lottery. "The lottery" is their interpretation of "being rich" and limits their perspective. If they, instead, focus on what surrounds the perspective of being rich they are more likely to experience what they're looking for.

Because "being rich" exists only in relation to other things and not by itself.

By focusing on "being rich" directly they are not really focusing on anything and, thus, would not experience it until they focused on it indirectly.

Hope this melts your ice cream :)
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Hope this melts your ice cream :)
Quoting: Chaol

Totally did.
;)

(It's me, 918001, traveling more.)
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I would read every single post and absorb all the information and energy I could.

Edit: And now, after reading your posts, I see that I would limit my perspective by doing so.
Quoting: Unit3

There was a time when such beings were worshipped as gods. Today would be no different.

I'd rather just be a guy in a cafe, or just a stranger on the bus.

And, most likely, your perspective would indeed be limited. The 'value' would be satisfied externally, much in the same way we can accomplish amazing physical feats ourselves but would probably rather watch an athlete do it.
Quoting: Chaol

I see this now. Thank you. I understand wanting to be just a regular guy. I think you'll get that chance soon.

It's the relationships, it's the relationships!

We focus on relationships that produce our "goals." Now, if I can just get why that is....maybe I'll get it.

Last Edited by ERE3 on 10/25/2012 10:59 PM
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Good insight.

Actually, by focusing on what you think it is you are making its possibility more irrelevant.

If someone, for example, thinks that they want to be rich and focuses on how they can win their local lottery (to get there) I would suggest that they forget about the lottery. "The lottery" is their interpretation of "being rich" and limits their perspective. If they, instead, focus on what surrounds the perspective of being rich they are more likely to experience what they're looking for.

Because "being rich" exists only in relation to other things and not by itself.

By focusing on "being rich" directly they are not really focusing on anything and, thus, would not experience it until they focused on it indirectly.

Hope this melts your ice cream :)
Quoting: Chaol

Chaol

In my perspectives I focused on getting a car and a job. The car I focused was a Camaro Z28, the car that became relative to my perspective was Firebird Trans AM WS6. Very much related to the Camaro same engine different body. The job I focused on was Google, the job that became relative to my perspective was Apple. Also very much related. Also I focused on a white Camaro and the WS6 is black.

If i focus of winning a "Jackpot" at a casino its very much related to winning the lottery. Making lottery irrelevant by focusing on jackpot might just make me a millionaire
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Thank you so much. If you don't mind, I just have a couple of questions and I think I'll have what I need.

1) Yes, higher or expanded is here now. I certainly agree. Would a symbol that has meaning for me in this regards, be advantageous to use in my perception map practice? Or is the practice itself the expansion?

2) You don't have to answer this but in the start of the thread, you mentioned your girlfriend. Did you use this practice to meet her? This subject is very interesting to me because my husband matches almost exactly an avatar I made when I practiced this before we met. He also has the spiritual or expanded consciousness I was seeking. But, we have had problems with emotional matching and our age difference is ridiculous (at least to me. He is European so it doesn't bother him, LOL). Also, he is what we call "enlightened" (I guess you would call expanded) his kundalini has risen,so we are out of balance spiritually. We have both made adjustments that are closing the gaps, but do you have any suggestions here? I have no doubt I can change this with my Perception Map.

3) I invite anyone that desires to participate in relating with our symbols, to join me. [link to perceptionmap.blogspot.com]

Thank you once again.
Quoting: Unit3

Hi.

1) In that way, not really. If your goal is to experience a new perception or perspective then you would do well to use representations that do not have much meaning attached to them.

2) No. We met at a cafe. I was just having some tea. Regarding your relationship, I could only advise that you follow the path of least resistance. This of course could mean anything, and that is the point. The interpretation is really up to you.
Quoting: Chaol

Thank you very much for your input. It is appreciated.
Still have a few questions.

1)These new symbols that I find must be something new to me, but not something I can draw or create myself? Correct?

2)Any manifestations that occur, just follow the path of least resistance. Is starting over in a particular corridor considered a path of least resistance?

3) A personal question. Do you feel alone since you are aware you are perceiving your reality? Do you feel connected to Divine Source?

4) When you change your perceptions, do you often experience immediate results? ;o)

5) What do you do for fun? (probably this, right? uniting 2 worlds?) What else...video games, something I wouldn't understand?

6) Since meeting your girlfriend in the cafe, "just happened", what is your explanation of it? (This ques. is important to me.)

7) If we knew you given name, would we be able to google you? What's happening with the Android Chaos Mirror app.? I think you showed it to me twice ,maybe a year, maybe two years ago. At the time, I interpreted it as my husband showing it to me. From the looks of the posts now requesting how to use Neuronics, I think it's getting time to release it. I doubt you can personally help each of us much longer. I have some ideas that might help you in distribution, etc:. If interested, I'll be glad to PM you.

Is it the app used with a mirror in a frame or suitcase? Would it work with these new tablets? [link to www.ainovo.com]

8) Obama or Romney? Or is it irrelevant at this point?

9)Infinity is not truth? What about eternal?

P.S. You might check out your Great Minds thread. It has picked up a few posts lately. Thread: Calling all Great Minds: A discussion on Reality (Page 5)

Thank you
Quoting: Unit3

Hi.

1) They need only be something that has no meaning (or close to no meaning) in your perspective. You can buy something that has no meaning, but as soon as you buy it it adopts some meaning. A friend could give you something unique, but the act of your friend giving it to you begins to define it. So I would suggest creating something new, whereby it has the least possibility of having been defined from other values.

2) If you start over in a particular corridor, did you choose the corridor or did the corridor choose you? One need not start over to walk the path of least resistance. Emotions make us human, of course, but they also help to cloud this path. We tend to choose that which has meaning for us rather than that which has our name on it. If 4 doors open up before you and your friends and family are beyond door #3, most of us would choose door #3 because we are human. We tend to think something is wrong if it's too easy.

3) We are all aware the same. The question is, what values are we focusing on? It's quite difficult to feel alone in a reality where anything is possible. There's a fantasy that we have in this world about 'omnipotent' beings being all-knowing and all-seeing. It is not that such beings see everything, because we all do. It is that such beings have the ability to 'figure it out' so to speak. They need not know the latest fashion trends of anteaters on Neptune but should be able to figure it out if they wanted to. So there's always the sense of constant discovery because the entire universe is exactly what you are experiencing right now (which only goes so far as your current perspective). The rest is, fortunately, a mystery because it does not need to exist yet. [I am only able to respond to the first part of your question, as I am not able to guess your definition of 'divine source'.]

4) "Immediate" according to my sense of time, yes. This would be translated as one of my days being about 43 of your days. (Although it's not quite like that. If you and I were having tea and crumpets, though, you may get bored after the 15th hour of sitting there whereas I would think the fun has just begun!) This is only because I am able to relate a moment, so to speak, with more 'other moments' than we usually do on this world. I only understand and know about simultaneity. We each experience it but are not able to perceive of the experience ;)

5) For fun I like to watch stupid movies, play games (including videogames), build things, go for walks, travel, hang out, dance, and pretend to read as I watch people from cafe windows.

6) What explanation could there possibly be? I don't normally dissect my experience, so am not sure how to respond.

7) I've many names, of course. But for the name that I was given at birth I share it with others. To find me you need only close your eyes. b) the apps are vapourware, as the developer I found did not really understand how it should work. More importantly, it is an example of its possibility rather than something I give to you. This way it has more value. c) anyone is free to create whatever neuronics or ecsys apps they please, in any format. If they profit from it, that's fine. If it's for the public domain, even better. I usually don't comment, as this would be limiting the possibility of it more.

8) No comment. But I'm usually amazed how easily distracted we all are by smoke and mirrors.

9) "Truth" is irrelevant, as it cannot be perceived and, thus, experienced. It is probably better to just think about what is true for us at the time and realize that this is in constant motion. Besides "now", I don't know anything about the eternal. Need there be anything else?

p.s.) thanks - I've responded on that thread
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Good insight.

Actually, by focusing on what you think it is you are making its possibility more irrelevant.

If someone, for example, thinks that they want to be rich and focuses on how they can win their local lottery (to get there) I would suggest that they forget about the lottery. "The lottery" is their interpretation of "being rich" and limits their perspective. If they, instead, focus on what surrounds the perspective of being rich they are more likely to experience what they're looking for.

Because "being rich" exists only in relation to other things and not by itself.

By focusing on "being rich" directly they are not really focusing on anything and, thus, would not experience it until they focused on it indirectly.

Hope this melts your ice cream :)
Quoting: Chaol

Chaol

In my perspectives I focused on getting a car and a job. The car I focused was a Camaro Z28, the car that became relative to my perspective was Firebird Trans AM WS6. Very much related to the Camaro same engine different body. The job I focused on was Google, the job that became relative to my perspective was Apple. Also very much related. Also I focused on a white Camaro and the WS6 is black.

If i focus of winning a "Jackpot" at a casino its very much related to winning the lottery. Making lottery irrelevant by focusing on jackpot might just make me a millionaire
Quoting: SpawnX

I've noticed all the goals seem related. Money for car and money for house. Professionals needed to assist with purchases, maintenance, legal papers, etc.

And also, what pops up often seems to have nothing to do with the end goal. But, since it's a new thing, I relate to it because it's got to be my story-line taking me to my goal. Agree?

Would you share some of the things that popped up as you created your goals?
"We are the music makers. And we are the dreamers of dreams." Willy Wonka
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Really?! Posting from Netherlands & France, hows Thailand?

teach us how to fly
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Using a proxy server here, so it may appear as different locations (or no location at all).

Flying is cool, but why scare the poo out of my brothers and sisters?
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Had a really fun dream last night. Fireballs from the sky were hitting the earth as far as the eye could see. The scene initially made me think Sodom and Gomorrah, but when I went outside to check a near by crater out, they were small meter wide craft. Not sure why I didnt become lucid at that point but most of them had been destroyed in their descent. Lol fun times.
Quoting: MutantMessiah

That sounds like fun!
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Actually, I see him as trying to blend in so as not to be noticed. To me, this would mean nondescript clothing, hair cut, etc;. Probably carrying electronic equip. around and a cup of tea! ;o) I first thought he might be in his mid 30's but after the typo for the word election, I figure he is in his 20's, LOL!
Quoting: Unit3

Without being relevant to the experience, such a difficult time would be had.

So, considering that a perspective contains relative perceptions do you think an alien from 500 years in the future would be likely to be perceived as:

1) a humanoid figure.. obviously not-of-this-world

2) the strange man in 5C

If you guessed #3, you're right!
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Alright, I will attempt this "live" so that Choal can comment and so that others may potentially benefit.

Next to me I have a comb.

symbol = comb

How is this a value in my perspective??? Let's see...

INTERACTION:
goes through my hair when wet to straighten it
goes through g/f hair when wet
interacts with drawer when at rest
interacts with counter when near use
reflects light from bathroom lights bulbs
is fine tooth comb so interacts with less fine combs
interacts with brushes as both are consider when deciding what to use to fix hair
interacts with my ears because playing with the teeth of the comb makes a cool noise.
interacts with all things in bathroom because of relative space between them?
interacts with money because need money to buy a comb
I'm pretty sure this could keep going on forever?

POSSIBILITY (space):
hangs out in drawer
occasionaly left on counter
in bathroom

LOGIC:
When my hair is wet and out of control use comb to straighten
use increases when hair is longer

.....So now let's change some values...

I will leave the possiblity be:
in drawer of bathroom of my apartment.

symbol : scratcher

Possiblity: in drawer

INTERACTION :
interacts with my skin when itchy
interacts with other back scratchers as this is smaller and thinner
scratcher says "conair" makes me think of airplane, so interacts with airplanes, movies I think of with airplanes. 9/11.
interacts with all drawer

LOGIC:
Use to scratch when going to bathroom and have an itch.

now time to think...

EXPANDED perspective of elements:

To me it seems like...
A I could have defined that symbol has anything, therefore it could be anything

B interactions seem limited only by thought put in. With the scratcher it is made of plastic so it interacts with all plastic things, since plastic is a substance it must have a relationship with all things not plastic, and thus interacts with everything physical?

C while I set the logic to be used when itchy, it could have been, scratch the tub before getting in the shower. This would open up more relative interactions involving the tub, water, new noises.

D Space could be as broad as I can think, exists in drawer but could exist in drawer of bathroom, of apartment, of my state, in the US, in the world, in the milkyway, in all of the physical universe

I feel like I am missing something here Choal. How would this transfer to realizing elements in the sun and then becoming the sun.

the sun symbol has possibility in space above the earth.

the sun has logic, rises in east and set in the west at a certain intervals.

interacts with everything we see. lights are designed based on the idea that sun produces light. So everything I see contains some elements of the sun...

How does breaking down it's elements help to become it?

Appreciate any and all help Choal
Quoting: dodec 20177375

Hi.. you've got too much logic in your interaction and possibility elements.

For example, I would suggest interaction is, "hair" rather than "goes through my hair when wet to straighten it"

As in, "What other values does it interact with?"

By qualifying it and applying logic you are all ready limiting the possibility.

Same with possibility. Just list the spaces rather than what (you think) it does in the space.

The logic element seems fine, however.
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Really?! Posting from Netherlands & France, hows Thailand?

teach us how to fly
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Using a proxy server here, so it may appear as different locations (or no location at all).

Flying is cool, but why scare the poo out of my brothers and sisters?
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oh proxy servers explains

lol I never seen anyone poo while flying in a dream, they build a relationship flying is natural.
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I have dipped my feet in Neuronics finally! It's not as complex as I had expected it to be. It's still early days but it seems really easy to follow the pattern to learn them. I experimented with one or two of my own just to give myself a feel for it. This was just before I went to bed last night. I tried to represent vivid dreaming. I didn't use a string of neuronicons, I used just one.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25846909

Keep to the foundation I have outlined and build your own house, and you'll be fine.

About 90% of the trials I've seen here seem to embellish the fundamentals a bit.

But, yes, the basics should be easy to follow.

As you did, you can start with just one neuronicon to create experience.

So dreaming is neutral interaction input and for vividness I output Hugh possibility. Well by my definition anyway. So this turns out to be the one pronounced 'EX'. I immediately thought of Chaol saying "are you ready for X?"
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25846909

;)

Needless to say, I did have vivid dreams although I can't recall most of it but Neuronics was involved. All those highs neutrals and lows in all their combinations.

Please let me know Chaol if I'm on the right track or if I've oversimplified things a bit too much. Thanks!
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25846909

The more you think in neuronicons the more you'll be able to remember the experience.

(We actually think in them already, we just don't realize it.)

Perspective is the difficult part. Neuronics is the easy part.
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To all about the fire ball 'end of the world' dreamers.

Below is my opinion could be right or wrong.

Big dreams like this could be a bleed through of a future event happening.

Is it logical that we can dream our futures? I say yes.

October has always been a massive month of change or something 'big' happening, any history book will tell you that, my point to this is that I think the earth works in cycles and 2013 October could be the month where what we dreamed comes true.

Your opinion Chaol would be good

Thanks!
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25669721

I would suggest that they are interpretations of what is happening now rather than something that will happen.

They need not be physical in the same way as your seat to be real.

(And the memory of such dreams are also current interpretations. We do not know what our perspective was from a different perspective, such as when we were children.)