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Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

 
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I have dipped my feet in Neuronics finally! It's not as complex as I had expected it to be. It's still early days but it seems really easy to follow the pattern to learn them. I experimented with one or two of my own just to give myself a feel for it. This was just before I went to bed last night. I tried to represent vivid dreaming. I didn't use a string of neuronicons, I used just one.

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Keep to the foundation I have outlined and build your own house, and you'll be fine.

About 90% of the trials I've seen here seem to embellish the fundamentals a bit.

But, yes, the basics should be easy to follow.

As you did, you can start with just one neuronicon to create experience.

So dreaming is neutral interaction input and for vividness I output Hugh possibility. Well by my definition anyway. So this turns out to be the one pronounced 'EX'. I immediately thought of Chaol saying "are you ready for X?"
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;)

Needless to say, I did have vivid dreams although I can't recall most of it but Neuronics was involved. All those highs neutrals and lows in all their combinations.

Please let me know Chaol if I'm on the right track or if I've oversimplified things a bit too much. Thanks!
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The more you think in neuronicons the more you'll be able to remember the experience.

(We actually think in them already, we just don't realize it.)

Perspective is the difficult part. Neuronics is the easy part.
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To all about the fire ball 'end of the world' dreamers.

Below is my opinion could be right or wrong.

Big dreams like this could be a bleed through of a future event happening.

Is it logical that we can dream our futures? I say yes.

October has always been a massive month of change or something 'big' happening, any history book will tell you that, my point to this is that I think the earth works in cycles and 2013 October could be the month where what we dreamed comes true.

Your opinion Chaol would be good

Thanks!
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I would suggest that they are interpretations of what is happening now rather than something that will happen.

They need not be physical in the same way as your seat to be real.

(And the memory of such dreams are also current interpretations. We do not know what our perspective was from a different perspective, such as when we were children.)
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To all about the fire ball 'end of the world' dreamers.

Below is my opinion could be right or wrong.

Big dreams like this could be a bleed through of a future event happening.

Is it logical that we can dream our futures? I say yes.

October has always been a massive month of change or something 'big' happening, any history book will tell you that, my point to this is that I think the earth works in cycles and 2013 October could be the month where what we dreamed comes true.

Your opinion Chaol would be good

Thanks!
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"Fire" (and my favourite, lava) is of the interaction element.

Otherwise known as Chaos (per [link to ecsys.org] )

Farther, "Interaction requires degrees of transparency. The more transparent something is the more it can be interacted with."

Dreams of balls of fire for me would be flying nexus points. Exciting times!
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Just catching up here, a few pages back, but have to simply express my appreciation to Chaol, of course, for this plump and juicy entertainment ;)

and everyone else....

and the internet, because at the moment my brain's not created the logic to do this in another way
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Without your responses and interaction it is not possible.

So thank you all, too.
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Sorry for the delay, Im the poster who is working on the program.

I originally typed out a massive post explaining everything only to get IP banned after hitting submit.

Changed my IP typed a medium sized post, hit submit, IP was banned again.

Third time, I upgraded my account, typed a small post explaining it all, hit submit and it didn't work!?!?!? Also Yes im a fool for not saving my post lol anyway!

Fourth time at 12:21am trying a new image host -.-


IMAGE ( [link to i1358.photobucket.com] )


The image above roughly shows the program and how you translate your words into EC, the aim of the program is to let the user create a custom dictionary in EC.

I will do a better write up tomorrow sorry guys/gals, Ive just typed too much, I need to leave the screen before I go mad.
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Looks really good so far! Well done! OO-generous!
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Hi Chaol,

I just noticed you are posting right now. Thought I'd try to catch your comments on LeKing's program? You can click on the link above to get a peek.

I'm sure he and the rest of us would appreciate your input.

hf
Happy Holidays! snowman
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A bit more advanced application of Ecsys, but it may have some value to you now...

[First, some context...] Everything is a representation of something else in your perspective. We are not able to perceive beyond our own perspective and thus cannot perceive of the truth of something. Truth is beyond perception.

When you talk on the phone what you hear is a representation of the other person's voice. When you see them in person you are also experiencing a representation. You could say that your brain interprets signals and shows you something that isn't really there. But the signals that your brain perceives are also representations of something else.

When you look into the mirror you are not seeing yourself. In the same manner when you look at your hand you are not perceiving your hand directly, but interacting with representations.

Direct perception is impossible. We can perceive only of relationships rather than the real thing.

In this illusion we have life. We have what we call consciousness. But this life comes only from the relationships between the symbols.

[And here is the purpose of this post...]

There is also life and consciousness between other symbols. Everything that has a relationship with something else has this life and consciousness. It is as real and fully detailed as what you are experiencing now.

The floor on which you walk has a relationship with your leg, and you feel it's reality. It is a part of your life. But the floor also has relationships with other things, and this is just as real as is your leg.

You are surrounded not only by life but also by a force that you could call a living, breathing consciousness. It has intelligence, desires, and it communicates.

It is perspective.

If you communicate, so does everything else. In the same way that you are now communicating. Whatever you do or say or think is also expressed throughout the universe in the same way and to a degree that is relative to your perspective.

When you go to a restaurant, for example, your cat at home also goes to the same restaurant at the same time.

Did you order and eat pasta? Your watch has also ordered and eaten pasta, because it is relative to your perspective. Even more than the cat because the watch rests on your arm and you don't see your cat. But, guess what? Your cat is also in the restaurant.

This is the real "holographic universe". It is a holographic universe not of bits and bytes of information but of perspective.

The Earth is going through the same thing that you are going through right now because there is no difference. Feeling giddy? You have just changed what scientists would call the quantum nature of the entire universe in a measurable way.

I implore you to figure out what this means for yourself. There is something profound that you can get from the above. You have only to squeeze the oranges. I will not post it here (or confirm or deny if any of you should mention its implications) because it is a highly resisted concept.

Enjoy :)

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I would read every single post and absorb all the information and energy I could.

Edit: And now, after reading your posts, I see that I would limit my perspective by doing so.
 Quoting: Unit3


There was a time when such beings were worshipped as gods. Today would be no different.

I'd rather just be a guy in a cafe, or just a stranger on the bus.

And, most likely, your perspective would indeed be limited. The 'value' would be satisfied externally, much in the same way we can accomplish amazing physical feats ourselves but would probably rather watch an athlete do it.
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Got it. Thank you.

hf
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Time and space will then be just references for you. You'll perceive less separation between you and 'anything else'. There will be much less limit to what you can perceive (and do) because you will have more conscious influence about your perspective.

Hope this helps. This is still 'basic' (though not very basic) but it may prove valuable to many of you, if done.


 Quoting: Chaol


Reading this is quite emotional for me. Just now I imagined posting to say that there is not really anything I want - like car, job, house, holiday, money etc - not enough to put in the energy of genius.
What would really motivate me is to be able to move through time and space at will. Now that would get me excited!
And then, seemingly, seamlessly, instantly, I read this part of Chaol's messages!
Just LOVE it!

So, now can I get my head round what I actually need to do here?

I did the genius last year, to alter my body shape. I thought it wasn't working so I lost interest. Just realised now, that my body shape has changed in the way I wanted it to! Seems like a year has passed, however.....
 Quoting: Marshwiggle


You have only to figure out how you are all ready moving through time's pace at will right now. It's more obvious than you think it is.

To travel through time, for example, you "bring the time to you".

Good to hear that it worked for you without realizing it, for your body shape.
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Ok, I want to do the Expanded Perspective Exercise - am I on the right track with this, Chaol?

Symbol - toothbrush
Interaction - with my mouth, with toothpaste
Possiblity - the cup it stands in
Logic - I clean my teeth with it twice a day


so, I choose the Element of Possiblity and I change the values of the other elements, like so

Symbol - screwdriver
Interaction - I'll point out to those I live with that it's meant to be there for now
Logic - I'll up-end it in the morning when I go in the bathroom

Possibility - the cup - stays the same
 Quoting: Marshwiggle


Yes.. that seems fine.

Though of course you could change the other elements. (Keeping the possibility element, ironically, creates less possibilities. As it's the one that could be most anything, and thus hardest to focus on the perspective.)
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...


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These were me, I got logged out
 Quoting: Marshwiggle


I'm not sure if I can help much but remember (bear in mind) the car could be a possibility and the landscape could be the symbol so it should be easier to manipulate when you remember that.
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So, do you mean that it would be effective to simply swop them round, rather than think up new elements? Thank you, Friend
And glad to hear of your win :)
 Quoting: Marshwiggle




Anything really can be any of the elements from your perspective. The car can be a symbol (wow, nice car); interaction (used in getting to a destination); possibility (you can literally end up anywhere); logic (arriving at a destination). So when you feel stuck, you can change it till it suits what you're trying to achieve. It's not really easy to explain in words.

Remember we're not trying to create anything because nothing is created but perceived. I'm not sure what this expanded perspective exercise is meant to really do but from what I've learned of Neuronics, I can propose (purely as an example!):

Always need an input and an output, so

Input high symbol (car); output high interaction (driving the car through roads etc) so Neuronicon will be OO as in BOOK
Input high interaction (going past the different landscapes, scenery); output high possibility (you can literally end up anywhere!) so Neuronicon will be OR as in SORT
Finally you can input neutral possibility (again the car can be used as a possibility since its an object and any object really is just a possibility); and output high logic (get to desired destination in the desired time) so Neuronicon will be SUMI.
Now these three neuronicons now form a string that represents what you want to perceive. Learn their pronunciations and their shapes and you're well on your way.

I'm still learning and I hope to learn even more but I must say the stuff really and truly works not just because I won some money for my lunch today :)
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Thank you for this. It's really helpful.

If you don't mind, can you tell me how you decide when the input is high, neutral or whatever? That's the part I don't really understand.
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1. The Android app fell through. It is no longer in the works. There was a work-around where you can look for an app for "Strobe Light", then set the control to shades of blue. Play with the frequency of the strobing effect, while holding it at approximately arm's length from your body.
[snips]
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Try a variation of indigo rather than blue.
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Okay, I changed my monitor into a blue strobe light. Then, I just laid back and watched it. Very relaxing and after a while, it seemed portals might be opening.

If you want to try it:

Go to the link:
[link to www.peternichol.com]

Click on:
View the strobe light

Press:
F11

Relax!

Very simple.
 Quoting: Unit3


This helps to remove the veil, so to speak, of perspective.

Eventually you should see an interpretation of the geometry of physical perspective.

This also allows you to practice uncovering portals, in a way, because once you see the geometry behind what appears to be physical reality your experience of it will become more flexible.

Once your perspective is flexible and you can consciously manipulate it there's much more possibility to what you can do and experience.
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And what might that be? What is the truth?
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Don't hide from it by asking me.
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funny :)
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Nice work, Unit3 :)
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A bit more advanced application of Ecsys, but it may have some value to you now...

[First, some context...] Everything is a representation of something else in your perspective. We are not able to perceive beyond our own perspective and thus cannot perceive of the truth of something. Truth is beyond perception.

When you talk on the phone what you hear is a representation of the other person's voice. When you see them in person you are also experiencing a representation. You could say that your brain interprets signals and shows you something that isn't really there. But the signals that your brain perceives are also representations of something else.

When you look into the mirror you are not seeing yourself. In the same manner when you look at your hand you are not perceiving your hand directly, but interacting with representations.

Direct perception is impossible. We can perceive only of relationships rather than the real thing.

In this illusion we have life. We have what we call consciousness. But this life comes only from the relationships between the symbols.

[And here is the purpose of this post...]

There is also life and consciousness between other symbols. Everything that has a relationship with something else has this life and consciousness. It is as real and fully detailed as what you are experiencing now.

The floor on which you walk has a relationship with your leg, and you feel it's reality. It is a part of your life. But the floor also has relationships with other things, and this is just as real as is your leg.

You are surrounded not only by life but also by a force that you could call a living, breathing consciousness. It has intelligence, desires, and it communicates.

It is perspective.

If you communicate, so does everything else. In the same way that you are now communicating. Whatever you do or say or think is also expressed throughout the universe in the same way and to a degree that is relative to your perspective.

When you go to a restaurant, for example, your cat at home also goes to the same restaurant at the same time.

Did you order and eat pasta? Your watch has also ordered and ate pasta, because it is relative to your perspective. Even more than the cat because the watch rests on your arm and you don't see your cat. But, guess what? Your cat is also in the restaurant.

This is the real "holographic universe". It is a holographic universe not of bits and bytes of information but of perspective.

The Earth is going through the same thing that you are going through right now because there is no difference. Feeling giddy? You have just changed what scientists would call the quantum nature of the entire universe in a measurable way.

I implore you to figure out what this means for yourself. There is something profound that you can get from the above. You have only to squeeze the oranges. I will not post it here (or confirm or deny if any of you should mention its implications) because it is a highly resisted concept.

Enjoy :)
 Quoting: Chaol


Observer effect captain
Cat
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Nice work, Unit3 :)
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;o)
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Hmmm...unless a "witch hunt" involves the vast pedophile/human trafficking rings amongst the leaders of world governments that is coming to light. It looks like the expose began in the Netherlands and is quickly spreading. It was being discussed in the UK Parliament yesterday.

If anybody wants links, say so and I will go dig them up. There is a lot. It is growing.
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No, not that group. We are advancing 'forward' technologically at a rapid pace but 'backward' at an also-rapid pace.

You could say that Western society has been going downhill since the late 1970's.

Anyway, the witch-hunt possibility is for a social concept that works to advance society. Not any one group of people but more of an idea.

It would be like if we began to jail those who wanted to think for themselves. Or didn't want to be exposed to advertising. Or did not have friends.

"She's a witch", "He's a communist", "He's a terrorist", "He's an alien", and so on.
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Dreams of balls of fire for me would be flying nexus points.
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This!
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'Witchcraft episode'- referring to the mass hangings / burnings in the apparent past?
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yes.. that one
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Interesting, care to expand on that? Intellectual, Religion, political, race or cultural based "which hunts"?
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Extra-terrestrial.
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I sense a relationship between the witchcraft episodes and what we are about to learn about BO in about 30 minutes.
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No relation. But the possibility of something surely helps to bring the experience closer.
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Aha! I realized this morning you were observing. TY.

And I agree, we are doing quite well.



Edit: Whoa! You didn't answer the question I most wanted an answer to. You're a sly one, eh? ;o)

How do you explain those things "that just happened"? You told me this is how you met your gf.

I want to know your explanation of things that just happen, if you don't mind. And yes, I have a reason for wanting to know.
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Can you provide an example of something that "just happens" and an other example of something that does not "just happen"?
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I just don't see death (in the traditional objective sense) as something that is subjectively possible.
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You've realized an important aspect of the nature of perspective.

Only values in your perspective die (become more irrelevant).

You do not become irrelevant to yourself, and cannot experience death.

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A bit more advanced application of Ecsys, but it may have some value to you now...

[And here is the purpose of this post...]

There is also life and consciousness between other symbols. Everything that has a relationship with something else has this life and consciousness. It is as real and fully detailed as what you are experiencing now.

The floor on which you walk has a relationship with your leg, and you feel it's reality. It is a part of your life. But the floor also has relationships with other things, and this is just as real as is your leg.

You are surrounded not only by life but also by a force that you could call a living, breathing consciousness. It has intelligence, desires, and it communicates.

It is perspective.

If you communicate, so does everything else. In the same way that you are now communicating. Whatever you do or say or think is also expressed throughout the universe in the same way and to a degree that is relative to your perspective.

When you go to a restaurant, for example, your cat at home also goes to the same restaurant at the same time.

Did you order and eat pasta? Your watch has also ordered and ate pasta, because it is relative to your perspective. Even more than the cat because the watch rests on your arm and you don't see your cat. But, guess what? Your cat is also in the restaurant.

This is the real "holographic universe". It is a holographic universe not of bits and bytes of information but of perspective.

The Earth is going through the same thing that you are going through right now because there is no difference. Feeling giddy? You have just changed what scientists would call the quantum nature of the entire universe in a measurable way.

I implore you to figure out what this means for yourself. There is something profound that you can get from the above. You have only to squeeze the oranges. I will not post it here (or confirm or deny if any of you should mention its implications) because it is a highly resisted concept.

Enjoy :)
 Quoting: Chaol


The logical pathway I use to conceptualize these ideas is through the symbol of energy, as if each consciousness is a mixture of many frequencies within an infinite sea of energy. Each frequency affects the infinite sea of energy by causing energy to resonate with that frequency. We can only perceive resonant frequencies, thereby seeing a reflection of ourselves. If we can change any frequency, the previous frequency would no longer be resonant and a new one would begin to be perceived. So we would have a cat frequency within our energy matrix causing a resonance within the energy field for the concept of cat. So if I resonate with the symbol of restaurant, the cat is with me because it is part of my energy matrix to begin with. I'm just choosing to have the restaurant symbol/energy become dominant or most relative in order to perceive it.

So every moment in time can be conceptualized as a still frame like in a movie. We are sitting in a vast, infinite sea of still frames of all possibilities. As we change the frequencies within our energy signature we attract a frame to us following the path of least resistance, the most logical/believable path. This happens so quickly, it appears as motion. Every moment we perceive one of these frames we process it and calculate the next logical moment, attracting it to us. If we purposefully decide to attract something to us, we would hold the frequency, symbol within, as in feel as if you already are it, then it would begin to resonate with the energy field and attract it to us. But the logical pathway we are following may continue for a bit before the symbol is perceived. So despite what is perceived, we must hold the frequency of the symbol, trust the pathway we are one is the one that attracts it to us.
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Aha! I realized this morning you were observing. TY.

And I agree, we are doing quite well.



Edit: Whoa! You didn't answer the question I most wanted an answer to. You're a sly one, eh? ;o)

How do you explain those things "that just happened"? You told me this is how you met your gf.

I want to know your explanation of things that just happen, if you don't mind. And yes, I have a reason for wanting to know.
 Quoting: Unit3


Can you provide an example of something that "just happens" and an other example of something that does not "just happen"?
 Quoting: Chaol




The example you gave me is you said when you met your girlfriend, "it just happened." And no, I can't give the other example.

What I've been trying to find out from you is if you ever feel something influences your life besides you? Do you feel there is a Benevolence that guides you at times?

I ask this because I surely have a lifetime of this. And I know you will probably say it's because I don't know how to interpret some things...which could be true. But, I don't think so.

Many times, things have happened, right before my eyes, where I was going one direction and "something happens", to change my course.

Basically, do you feel there is a Divine or Benevolent force in your life that guides you? Do you feel there is a Creator God? Do you feel you created yourself or you came from some kind of Source?

And don't worry about how I define any of this. I will use my intuition to read between the lines of whatever you say. I'm trying to get a picture into your world this way.



Thanks.

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To see nothing is really there would indicate you do not exist, no?

This is why I asked Chaol if he feels alone. He didn't answer that question.
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We tend to think that only perception has value, and non-existence is to be avoided at all costs. But I see a lot of value in what would be called nothing. If I did not see value in nothing, I would not exist ;)

Do I feel alone? No. I forget as much as you do in order to keep up the illusion.
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"...the whole witchcraft episode" from the "past" would be an era prior to the Industrial Evolution -- the era in which Chaol's world diverged from our own. From my own personal experience, witches are worshippers of nature. They are familiar with nature Divas and how to coax the forces of Mother Nature to do their bidding. It was a feminine belief system. Religionists (mostly the Holy Roman Catholic Church) eliminated witchcraft through wholesale slaughter of anyone believed to have any association with such system of practice.

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This is my general viewpoint (all ways open to a new one:) ), too, K. How similar is this scenario you are referring to, Chaol?

Yes, what would a smart witch do?

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A smart witch does nothing extra.

A smart alien knows that is it not alien to itself.
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I just don't see death (in the traditional objective sense) as something that is subjectively possible.
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You've realize an important aspect of the nature of perspective.

Only values in your perspective die (become more irrelevant).

You do not become irrelevant to yourself, and cannot experience death.
 Quoting: Chaol


I've always thought and felt this, especially when I was a kid. It's weird, I learned and realized that I could be harmed through physical pain, but I always felt as if I was somehow 'invinceable' when it came to death...

Although I was in a pretty bad car accident a few years back and walked away fine even though the conditions were that which I could've died or at least been seriously injured. There was nothing to really remember, I like blacked out and just 'woke up' immediately after the impact. I've always thought about how randomly I could have 'died' and somehow just kept the show going.

If I were to approach a cliff my programming would give me the thought of falling to my death, but if I were to actually jump you're somehow saying I would survive? I get what you're saying, but I don't get it...

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Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.
A bit more advanced application of Ecsys, but it may have some value to you now...

[First, some context...] Everything is a representation of something else in your perspective. We are not able to perceive beyond our own perspective and thus cannot perceive of the truth of something. Truth is beyond perception.

When you talk on the phone what you hear is a representation of the other person's voice. When you see them in person you are also experiencing a representation. You could say that your brain interprets signals and shows you something that isn't really there. But the signals that your brain perceives are also representations of something else.

When you look into the mirror you are not seeing yourself. In the same manner when you look at your hand you are not perceiving your hand directly, but interacting with representations.

Direct perception is impossible. We can perceive only of relationships rather than the real thing.

In this illusion we have life. We have what we call consciousness. But this life comes only from the relationships between the symbols.

[And here is the purpose of this post...]

There is also life and consciousness between other symbols. Everything that has a relationship with something else has this life and consciousness. It is as real and fully detailed as what you are experiencing now.

The floor on which you walk has a relationship with your leg, and you feel it's reality. It is a part of your life. But the floor also has relationships with other things, and this is just as real as is your leg.

You are surrounded not only by life but also by a force that you could call a living, breathing consciousness. It has intelligence, desires, and it communicates.

It is perspective.

If you communicate, so does everything else. In the same way that you are now communicating. Whatever you do or say or think is also expressed throughout the universe in the same way and to a degree that is relative to your perspective.

When you go to a restaurant, for example, your cat at home also goes to the same restaurant at the same time.

Did you order and eat pasta? Your watch has also ordered and ate pasta, because it is relative to your perspective. Even more than the cat because the watch rests on your arm and you don't see your cat. But, guess what? Your cat is also in the restaurant.

This is the real "holographic universe". It is a holographic universe not of bits and bytes of information but of perspective.

The Earth is going through the same thing that you are going through right now because there is no difference. Feeling giddy? You have just changed what scientists would call the quantum nature of the entire universe in a measurable way.

I implore you to figure out what this means for yourself. There is something profound that you can get from the above. You have only to squeeze the oranges. I will not post it here (or confirm or deny if any of you should mention its implications) because it is a highly resisted concept.

Enjoy :)
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What a way to start my day! My mind is blown again ;0

You do not become irrelevant to yourself, and cannot experience death.
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And this ^^ I need it on a t shirt!

Thanks, Chaol blwkss
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Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.
Actually, I see him as trying to blend in so as not to be noticed. To me, this would mean nondescript clothing, hair cut, etc;. Probably carrying electronic equip. around and a cup of tea! ;o) I first thought he might be in his mid 30's but after the typo for the word election, I figure he is in his 20's, LOL!
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Without being relevant to the experience, such a difficult time would be had.

So, considering that a perspective contains relative perceptions do you think an alien from 500 years in the future would be likely to be perceived as:

1) a humanoid figure.. obviously not-of-this-world

2) the strange man in 5C

If you guessed #3, you're right!
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LOL!

I imagine people walk right by you and never see you.
Happy Holidays! snowman
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Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.
Time and space will then be just references for you. You'll perceive less separation between you and 'anything else'. There will be much less limit to what you can perceive (and do) because you will have more conscious influence about your perspective.

Hope this helps. This is still 'basic' (though not very basic) but it may prove valuable to many of you, if done.


 Quoting: Chaol


Reading this is quite emotional for me. Just now I imagined posting to say that there is not really anything I want - like car, job, house, holiday, money etc - not enough to put in the energy of genius.
What would really motivate me is to be able to move through time and space at will. Now that would get me excited!
And then, seemingly, seamlessly, instantly, I read this part of Chaol's messages!
Just LOVE it!

So, now can I get my head round what I actually need to do here?

I did the genius last year, to alter my body shape. I thought it wasn't working so I lost interest. Just realised now, that my body shape has changed in the way I wanted it to! Seems like a year has passed, however.....
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You have only to figure out how you are all ready moving through time's pace at will right now. It's more obvious than you think it is.

To travel through time, for example, you "bring the time to you".

Good to hear that it worked for you without realizing it, for your body shape.
 Quoting: Chaol




This reminds me. I've been meaning to ask Chaol this question...or Marsh (or anyone), if you have some insight.

Chaol, are you aware of using symbols so you can create your body?

And this brings up another thought, even in our experience here, just how do we keep certain things, such as a body, the sun/moon, family, etc:, constant?

How did I decide to have a female body that went from infant, to teen to adult? Interesting to think about, eh?
Happy Holidays! snowman

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