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# Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

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Now lets come up with a name for our symbol using neuronicons. Lets say the sound of +S I +L +P
Quoting: (MaJorMan)

Oh, and do you have phonetics for the sound of the symbol? What I get from the website is:

+S I
Too

+L

+P

I didn't find anything for the +L.

Quoting: Unit3

Right +S I = oo +L +P = ta like in taboo

Oota!
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I'm up for this, too, however

I don't think we should use a key as a symbol - any key has meaning for us already

we each need to MAKE a NEW symbol - maybe all the same? or maybe different, not sure - but a symbol that has no meaning attached for us
Quoting: Marshwiggle

The key is like the base object in the creation of the symbol. No matter what the symbol is it must be compromised of something we already have a pre attached meaning to.

So, lets take a key, wrap it in aluminum foil until you've made a square like object, then wrap that in tape. You will have to leave a opening where the key hole is to insert string for the necklace.

How does that sound?
Quoting: (MaJorMan)

I see your point, that anything we use is likely to have meaning attached. However,I think some objects have more meaning than others, so I have used ones that are as close to neutral as possible.
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I'm up for this, too, however

I don't think we should use a key as a symbol - any key has meaning for us already

we each need to MAKE a NEW symbol - maybe all the same? or maybe different, not sure - but a symbol that has no meaning attached for us
Quoting: Marshwiggle

The key is like the base object in the creation of the symbol. No matter what the symbol is it must be compromised of something we already have a pre attached meaning to.

So, lets take a key, wrap it in aluminum foil until you've made a square like object, then wrap that in tape. You will have to leave a opening where the key hole is to insert string for the necklace.

How does that sound?
Quoting: (MaJorMan)

I see your point, that anything we use is likely to have meaning attached. However,I think some objects have more meaning than others, so I have used ones that are as close to neutral as possible.
Quoting: Marshwiggle

I'm in too.
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Got mine made, not sure how to link a pic to it.
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One last question before I go back to listening from afar. Did you 'know' that you would meet your girlfriend at that point of time? forgive me if this was already asked.

Edit*
I ask because I have a feeling about a girl. Don't laugh Chaol! ha
Quoting: Issius Ulmonus

Quoting: Issius Ulmonus

care to say hi and see where it leads?
Quoting: Chaol

It's not like that at all, we hang out at least every other weekend. It's just that whenever i'm around her everything is so convenient. Like everything just falls into place. Ah I don't know, like I said just a feeling ha.

fixed typo*
Quoting: Issius Ulmonus

So you believe this may signify that an other kind of relationship would be better-suited?

Well, I see your point that it may be a sign. It's certainly possible that the two of you, once "together", would be energy-efficient love machines.

I think your Spidey senses are a-tinglin'

So what would you like to do about it?
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To create something new, rather than get something new.

(tuuuuur's representation of his "old" toy car is somewhat different as I interfered somewhat in the process in order to illustrate, similar to an interference with your 'island' query)
Quoting: Chaol

Chaol, I love ya but I am confused. The bold above, you tell me to create something new.

You told me in a post (in the link below) that symbols we create ourselves are not as powerful. I can make my own sigils and would prefer to do so but because of the post in this link, I quit making them and started finding symbols...such as a lottery ticket.

Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking. (Page 175)

So, do you see why I am confused?
Quoting: Unit3

Hi.

I believe you may have misinterpreted it. Please check again.
Quoting: Chaol

I am sure I have probably misinterpreted. No problem with that. But, check what again? In the first post, I asked about using a symbol I received in meditation. You said no, it's not as powerful because it came from my mind.

Anyway, the question is: is it more powerful to start off with a new symbol I create myself, for example taking toothpicks and taping them together....or is it more powerful to find something, like purchase a lottery ticket, which is a new symbol to me?
Quoting: Unit3

A purchased lottery ticket would not be a ~new symbol but one with meaning all ready.

The toothpicks would serve as a more effective symbol.

(For your reference, I think the quote you are talknig about is, "Just remember that when you draw the symbol you are not capturing its essence but only drawing a reference." I believe you were implying drawing symbols on paper, is that about it? I was just saying to make a new, physically-oriented symbol rather than drawing a symbol on paper. Either way, it should be something that can well-interact with your perspective... something as physical as you are.)
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I guess we'd have to do some modifications to the key since the key aloe already has meaning assigned to it. Lets wrap some tape around it. Use a key we don't use anymore and remodel it a bit. Maybe add some colors.
Quoting: (MaJorMan)

I like the idea of the key, though it is already assigned meaning, perhaps it would be preferable to use a key that you cannot recall it's purpose, or never did know what it unlocked? And yes, modify it, make it unique of course.

The Possibility would be our pockets. Though I think I shall modify it in a way that means I can wear it as a pendant or bracelet to increase the Possibilities for Interaction.

We could encourage Interaction by posting pictures online of our symbol, for those on the thread to view, or at least a description of our Symbol.

With respect to structure the only one which comes to mind right now is the intent to expose my Symbol directly to the sun everyday. At a time as close to midday as I can, for a minimum period of one hour. An other rule, will be to explain to any person that asks about this key, that 'this is a symbol of my wealth'. I trust that will lead to further discussion and therefore further interaction.
Quoting: curve

A heavily modified key would be a good symbol. The more you 'erase' its pre-existing value for your new value (your intention) the better.

If we just use a key that we don't remember anything about, wouldn't our subconscious remember?

Pockets-as-potential energy would work fine. It could even be attached to the inside of your wallet. A necklace would be fine, too, increasing the interaction.

"this is a symbol of my wealth" is less specific than, say, "this is the key that opens the door to my estate in Monaco". With the former, the map is confused because there is no specific perspective.

hope this helps :)

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Talked to my dad, mother, wife and father in law... and they all strongly advise against getting this car.

If it's my car, I'll apparently get there by rowing against the stream...
Quoting: tuuuuur

It does not mean that the destination has changed :)

I would even say that it clarifies the map a bit more. Now you have a better idea of the possibilities that would make their advice irrelevant.

For example, the car being gifted to you.
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11/06/2012 08:32 PM
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Hi Chaol, teachers and class,

Can a person by a symbol, used with the Genius?

Curious.

Thanks!
:)
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 918001

*be a symbol!

Can a person be a symbol, used with the Genius?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 918001

Not when used with the Genius*. Too much pre-extant meaning.

*more advanced uses, perhaps. But we're still on the basics.
Quoting: Chaol

Okay, understood.

So... Can a sound be a symbol? A word?

I'm not trying to ask silly questions, haha, I'm just finding it challenging to "create" a new symbol that does not have *any* prior meaning attached to it.

For example, the key idea. I will all ways still have an existing relationship with said key... It is antique? Then it's like a prop I once used, which has loads of meaning attached. Is it plain and modern? Well, it reminds me of my house key. And on and on, for every variation of a key I could see or use, there is at least some meaning all ready there. Because "key" is all ready in my perspective.

If I wrap the key in gold wire or tape, it does not become something "new" so much as two existing things now blended/bonded together. (And it will probably remind me of a shoddy craft project, which is instantly "Girl Scouts" or "tacky".)

So, I am looking for a way of introducing a new symbol into my perspective. Words that I don't know can possibly work... Like Hiksahh or Olo. These are just words that I made up, that are blank slates. How do I make a physical symbol from these?

Maybe my understanding of creating a new symbol is off? Any clarity appreciated.

Despite this confusion over creating a new symbol, I do know I've had success using the Genius. But in each case, I have just decided that the new meaning assigned to my symbol is the only meaning. Wiped and re-programmed, so to speak. (Even though you have advised against this. I decided to do it any way ;P)

This is what has led me to think about how some "things" might be symbols (like people or sounds or arts or intersections of beams in my home). In fact, I am beginning to believe that every thing (including thought, including me) is a symbol, interacting, logically, in "space".

Also, on a slightly different trajectory, is it possible to use an existing meaning to draw that desired experience in? If I obtained a key to a room at the Bellagio and used that as my symbol, would that not poke a hole into my perspective to where that key would need a slot to fit into? And then presto! Before long I will find myself in Vegas. Perhaps not the best example, but I'm trying to keep it simple in the hopes of understanding. If I somehow got my hands on keys to a Ferrari on ebay or something, would the car to match show up?

Thanks, as usual :)
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 918001

An advanced use of Ecsys but, yes, a sound can post as your representation. But what would your potential energy element be?

I can only recommend the use of symbols that you can touch.

An old key is fine if you change the nature of the key. If I wrap the key in gold wire or tape, it adopts a new value in your perspective.

It does not matter if you don't know what that value is. You're unlikely to know even the value of your left eyebrow. But it's still an important part of your perspective, and functional.

Yes.. the Genius is all around you. You are using it without knowing it. But here we are learning how to use it consciously.

In your Bellagio key example, you are assuming that you know how to get to Vegas. But your "sub-conscious" may not agree with your forced values.

In a way you are starting with an intention in mind and just 'letting' your sub-conscious make a new symbol for you. Big difference.

hope this helps!
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I'm in! The only question is, what is our logic for going from current bank account balances to \$50 million? Don't we need to provide that idea to our subconscious?

Quoting: Unit3

The logic for these increased bank balances, aka \$50 million each, is whatever logic / rules we all decide to assign to our Geniuses
Quoting: Marshwiggle

No problem guys, by the time Chaol and O are done with the US dollar everyone will be a trillionare.
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Who is O?
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I'm up for this, too, however

I don't think we should use a key as a symbol - any key has meaning for us already

we each need to MAKE a NEW symbol - maybe all the same? or maybe different, not sure - but a symbol that has no meaning attached for us
Quoting: Marshwiggle

The key is like the base object in the creation of the symbol. No matter what the symbol is it must be compromised of something we already have a pre attached meaning to.

So, lets take a key, wrap it in aluminum foil until you've made a square like object, then wrap that in tape. You will have to leave a opening where the key hole is to insert string for the necklace.

How does that sound?
Quoting: (MaJorMan)

What's the point of wrapping it in aluminum foil? I'm happy with a key and I like the idea of wearing it on a chain.

I found that trying to carry something around is difficult. Wearing it is a nice solution. Plus, as it was mentioned before, if someone sees a key on a chain, they are liable to ask about it. This opens the door to interaction.

Don't forget, I was showing a lottery ticket to barking dogs for interaction. I'm going to do everything I can for that, LOL!
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Now lets come up with a name for our symbol using neuronicons. Lets say the sound of +S I +L +P
Quoting: (MaJorMan)

Oh, and do you have phonetics for the sound of the symbol? What I get from the website is:

+S I
Too

+L

+P

I didn't find anything for the +L.

Quoting: Unit3

Right +S I = oo +L +P = ta like in taboo

Oota!
Quoting: (MaJorMan)

Nice!!! So this would be pronounced: Ah taw?

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An advanced use of Ecsys but, yes, a sound can post as your representation. But what would your potential energy element be?
Quoting: Chaol

Outside of my mind, I don't know :) This is why I was wondering how to turn something like this into a physical object. A song? But this may be irrelevant now, as I think I understand the physical symbol better now.

I can only recommend the use of symbols that you can touch.

An old key is fine if you change the nature of the key. If I wrap the key in gold wire or tape, it adopts a new value in your perspective.
Quoting: Chaol

This.

The new value is created, even if it's just that it's something I've never seen before, in that way. I was getting hung up on still seeing the two parts in the new whole.

It does not matter if you don't know what that value is. You're unlikely to know even the value of your left eyebrow. But it's still an important part of your perspective, and functional.

Yes.. the Genius is all around you. You are using it without knowing it. But here we are learning how to use it consciously.

In your Bellagio key example, you are assuming that you know how to get to Vegas. But your "sub-conscious" may not agree with your forced values.

In a way you are starting with an intention in mind and just 'letting' your sub-conscious make a new symbol for you. Big difference.

hope this helps!
Quoting: Chaol

I actually had not thought of how I'd get to Vegas, just that Vegas is where the Bellagio is.

Some times, I get the feeling I am not moving at all, but every thing is being drawn to me. This allows me to keep from focusing on how I will get to *it* altogether.

It does help, thanks. I'm not sure if most of what I'm saying suggests that, but it is all helping. Thank you.
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Chaol, I love ya but I am confused. The bold above, you tell me to create something new.

You told me in a post (in the link below) that symbols we create ourselves are not as powerful. I can make my own sigils and would prefer to do so but because of the post in this link, I quit making them and started finding symbols...such as a lottery ticket.

Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking. (Page 175)

So, do you see why I am confused?
Quoting: Unit3

Hi.

I believe you may have misinterpreted it. Please check again.
Quoting: Chaol

I am sure I have probably misinterpreted. No problem with that. But, check what again? In the first post, I asked about using a symbol I received in meditation. You said no, it's not as powerful because it came from my mind.

Anyway, the question is: is it more powerful to start off with a new symbol I create myself, for example taking toothpicks and taping them together....or is it more powerful to find something, like purchase a lottery ticket, which is a new symbol to me?
Quoting: Unit3

A purchased lottery ticket would not be a ~new symbol but one with meaning all ready.

The toothpicks would serve as a more effective symbol.

(For your reference, I think the quote you are talknig about is, "Just remember that when you draw the symbol you are not capturing its essence but only drawing a reference." I believe you were implying drawing symbols on paper, is that about it? I was just saying to make a new, physically-oriented symbol rather than drawing a symbol on paper. Either way, it should be something that can well-interact with your perspective... something as physical as you are.)
Quoting: Chaol

Thank you so much. And yes, that's about it!

This clears so many things up for me. I see the value in what you have said. It's the only way to get something that is w/o meaning but also relative to the other symbols in my environment!

Major Man, with this information in bold above, I think we'd better figure out how to make a symbol. I'm not wild about toothpicks either. What else can we make?
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I guess we'd have to do some modifications to the key since the key aloe already has meaning assigned to it. Lets wrap some tape around it. Use a key we don't use anymore and remodel it a bit. Maybe add some colors.
Quoting: (MaJorMan)

I like the idea of the key, though it is already assigned meaning, perhaps it would be preferable to use a key that you cannot recall it's purpose, or never did know what it unlocked? And yes, modify it, make it unique of course.

The Possibility would be our pockets. Though I think I shall modify it in a way that means I can wear it as a pendant or bracelet to increase the Possibilities for Interaction.

We could encourage Interaction by posting pictures online of our symbol, for those on the thread to view, or at least a description of our Symbol.

With respect to structure the only one which comes to mind right now is the intent to expose my Symbol directly to the sun everyday. At a time as close to midday as I can, for a minimum period of one hour. An other rule, will be to explain to any person that asks about this key, that 'this is a symbol of my wealth'. I trust that will lead to further discussion and therefore further interaction.
Quoting: curve

A heavily modified key would be a good symbol. The more you 'erase' its pre-existing value for your new value (your intention) the better.

If we just use a key that we don't remember anything about, wouldn't our subconscious remember?

Pockets-as-potential energy would work fine. It could even be attached to the inside of your wallet. A necklace would be fine, too, increasing the interaction.

"this is a symbol of my wealth" is less specific than, say, "this is the key that opens the door to my estate in Monaco". With the former, the map is confused because there is no specific perspective.

hope this helps :)
Quoting: Chaol

Awesome!!!!! Thank you!!!!!

Okay, Major Man, disregard my post re: making something else. Let's go with what you said and modify a key. I'd like to suggest we wrap the key but keep the key shape to improve interaction! What do you say?
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OK, LOL! Well, I'm not sure what's going to be left with all these earth changes. Maybe you have an idea? P.S. Feel free to PM me.

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10 pages to catch up on! :))
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I guess we'd have to do some modifications to the key since the key aloe already has meaning assigned to it. Lets wrap some tape around it. Use a key we don't use anymore and remodel it a bit. Maybe add some colors.
Quoting: (MaJorMan)

I like the idea of the key, though it is already assigned meaning, perhaps it would be preferable to use a key that you cannot recall it's purpose, or never did know what it unlocked? And yes, modify it, make it unique of course.

The Possibility would be our pockets. Though I think I shall modify it in a way that means I can wear it as a pendant or bracelet to increase the Possibilities for Interaction.

We could encourage Interaction by posting pictures online of our symbol, for those on the thread to view, or at least a description of our Symbol.

With respect to structure the only one which comes to mind right now is the intent to expose my Symbol directly to the sun everyday. At a time as close to midday as I can, for a minimum period of one hour. An other rule, will be to explain to any person that asks about this key, that 'this is a symbol of my wealth'. I trust that will lead to further discussion and therefore further interaction.
Quoting: curve

A heavily modified key would be a good symbol. The more you 'erase' its pre-existing value for your new value (your intention) the better.

If we just use a key that we don't remember anything about, wouldn't our subconscious remember?

Pockets-as-potential energy would work fine. It could even be attached to the inside of your wallet. A necklace would be fine, too, increasing the interaction.

"this is a symbol of my wealth" is less specific than, say, "this is the key that opens the door to my estate in Monaco". With the former, the map is confused because there is no specific perspective.

hope this helps :)
Quoting: Chaol

Awesome!!!!! Thank you!!!!!

Okay, Major Man, disregard my post re: making something else. Let's go with what you said and modify a key. I'd like to suggest we wrap the key but keep the key shape to improve interaction! What do you say?
Quoting: Unit3

It's best we transform the oota as far from a key as possible. We don't want to associate it with a key at all.

After wrapping it in foil it became a rectangular shape. I then colored it green with a perm. marker, and proceeded to wrap the entire thing in tape. The only exposure of the key is the hole at the top to make it a necklace. If anyone knows how to create a link to a picture here that would be great.
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Quoting: Issius Ulmonus

care to say hi and see where it leads?
Quoting: Chaol

It's not like that at all, we hang out at least every other weekend. It's just that whenever i'm around her everything is so convenient. Like everything just falls into place. Ah I don't know, like I said just a feeling ha.

fixed typo*
Quoting: Issius Ulmonus

So you believe this may signify that an other kind of relationship would be better-suited?

Well, I see your point that it may be a sign. It's certainly possible that the two of you, once "together", would be energy-efficient love machines.

I think your Spidey senses are a-tinglin'

So what would you like to do about it?
Quoting: Chaol

You know what Chaol, I think I will just enjoy every moment I'm with her. In the past i'd have the habit of expectation, and the opposite would always happen lol. If everything in this world went as 'expected', I don't think we would experience anything new. I will definitively take a chance and see where this goes though.
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I like the idea of the key, though it is already assigned meaning, perhaps it would be preferable to use a key that you cannot recall it's purpose, or never did know what it unlocked? And yes, modify it, make it unique of course.

The Possibility would be our pockets. Though I think I shall modify it in a way that means I can wear it as a pendant or bracelet to increase the Possibilities for Interaction.

We could encourage Interaction by posting pictures online of our symbol, for those on the thread to view, or at least a description of our Symbol.

With respect to structure the only one which comes to mind right now is the intent to expose my Symbol directly to the sun everyday. At a time as close to midday as I can, for a minimum period of one hour. An other rule, will be to explain to any person that asks about this key, that 'this is a symbol of my wealth'. I trust that will lead to further discussion and therefore further interaction.
Quoting: curve

A heavily modified key would be a good symbol. The more you 'erase' its pre-existing value for your new value (your intention) the better.

If we just use a key that we don't remember anything about, wouldn't our subconscious remember?

Pockets-as-potential energy would work fine. It could even be attached to the inside of your wallet. A necklace would be fine, too, increasing the interaction.

"this is a symbol of my wealth" is less specific than, say, "this is the key that opens the door to my estate in Monaco". With the former, the map is confused because there is no specific perspective.

hope this helps :)
Quoting: Chaol

Awesome!!!!! Thank you!!!!!

Okay, Major Man, disregard my post re: making something else. Let's go with what you said and modify a key. I'd like to suggest we wrap the key but keep the key shape to improve interaction! What do you say?
Quoting: Unit3

It's best we transform the oota as far from a key as possible. We don't want to associate it with a key at all.

After wrapping it in foil it became a rectangular shape. I then colored it green with a perm. marker, and proceeded to wrap the entire thing in tape. The only exposure of the key is the hole at the top to make it a necklace. If anyone knows how to create a link to a picture here that would be great.
Quoting: (MaJorMan)

Okay, I can go with that but I'd like to mark the outside of the foil with a symbol or a gemstone (rhinestone), to help get attention.

You can post an image here:
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Talked to my dad, mother, wife and father in law... and they all strongly advise against getting this car.

If it's my car, I'll apparently get there by rowing against the stream...
Quoting: tuuuuur

No problem with that. You've already drawn the car closer. Just keep working with your symbol. It's obvious you are doing something right. And your family, they will become believers when they see it happen. Skeptics are easy, LOL!

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I like the idea of the key, though it is already assigned meaning, perhaps it would be preferable to use a key that you cannot recall it's purpose, or never did know what it unlocked? And yes, modify it, make it unique of course.

The Possibility would be our pockets. Though I think I shall modify it in a way that means I can wear it as a pendant or bracelet to increase the Possibilities for Interaction.

We could encourage Interaction by posting pictures online of our symbol, for those on the thread to view, or at least a description of our Symbol.

With respect to structure the only one which comes to mind right now is the intent to expose my Symbol directly to the sun everyday. At a time as close to midday as I can, for a minimum period of one hour. An other rule, will be to explain to any person that asks about this key, that 'this is a symbol of my wealth'. I trust that will lead to further discussion and therefore further interaction.
Quoting: curve

A heavily modified key would be a good symbol. The more you 'erase' its pre-existing value for your new value (your intention) the better.

If we just use a key that we don't remember anything about, wouldn't our subconscious remember?

Pockets-as-potential energy would work fine. It could even be attached to the inside of your wallet. A necklace would be fine, too, increasing the interaction.

"this is a symbol of my wealth" is less specific than, say, "this is the key that opens the door to my estate in Monaco". With the former, the map is confused because there is no specific perspective.

hope this helps :)
Quoting: Chaol

Awesome!!!!! Thank you!!!!!

Okay, Major Man, disregard my post re: making something else. Let's go with what you said and modify a key. I'd like to suggest we wrap the key but keep the key shape to improve interaction! What do you say?
Quoting: Unit3

It's best we transform the oota as far from a key as possible. We don't want to associate it with a key at all.

After wrapping it in foil it became a rectangular shape. I then colored it green with a perm. marker, and proceeded to wrap the entire thing in tape. The only exposure of the key is the hole at the top to make it a necklace. If anyone knows how to create a link to a picture here that would be great.
Quoting: (MaJorMan)

Major Man, look above at the bold. Chaol says it's better to have a key shape so our perspective is specific. We just need to modify the key.
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Awesome!!!!! Thank you!!!!!

Okay, Major Man, disregard my post re: making something else. Let's go with what you said and modify a key. I'd like to suggest we wrap the key but keep the key shape to improve interaction! What do you say?
Quoting: Chaol

It's best we transform the oota as far from a key as possible. We don't want to associate it with a key at all.

After wrapping it in foil it became a rectangular shape. I then colored it green with a perm. marker, and proceeded to wrap the entire thing in tape. The only exposure of the key is the hole at the top to make it a necklace. If anyone knows how to create a link to a picture here that would be great.
Quoting: Unit3

Major Man, look above at the bold. Chaol says it's better to have a key shape so our perspective is specific. We just need to modify the key.
Quoting: (MaJorMan)

I believe what he was saying is to specify the intent more. As in, "a symbol of my wealth is less specific than say, a symbol of \$50 million dollars in my account." I bolded the statement he made concerning the key. Which is basically the further removed from a key the better.
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A heavily modified key would be a good symbol. The more you 'erase' its pre-existing value for your new value (your intention) the better.

Sorry guess I didn't bold it. ^
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It's best we transform the oota as far from a key as possible. We don't want to associate it with a key at all.

After wrapping it in foil it became a rectangular shape. I then colored it green with a perm. marker, and proceeded to wrap the entire thing in tape. The only exposure of the key is the hole at the top to make it a necklace. If anyone knows how to create a link to a picture here that would be great.
Quoting: Unit3

Major Man, look above at the bold. Chaol says it's better to have a key shape so our perspective is specific. We just need to modify the key.
Quoting: (MaJorMan)

I believe what he was saying is to specify the intent more. As in, "a symbol of my wealth is less specific than say, a symbol of \$50 million dollars in my account." I bolded the statement he made concerning the key. Which is basically the further removed from a key the better.
Quoting: Unit3

Here's what he said: A heavily modified key would be a good symbol. To be able to say ""it's a key to my estate in Monaco" means it still looks somewhat like a key.

Here's the post: Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking. (Page 197)

Here's my symbol, scroll down:

Last Edited by ERE3 on 11/06/2012 10:52 PM
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Major Man, look above at the bold. Chaol says it's better to have a key shape so our perspective is specific. We just need to modify the key.
Quoting: (MaJorMan)

I believe what he was saying is to specify the intent more. As in, "a symbol of my wealth is less specific than say, a symbol of \$50 million dollars in my account." I bolded the statement he made concerning the key. Which is basically the further removed from a key the better.
Quoting: Unit3

Here's what he said: A heavily modified key would be a good symbol. To be able to say it's a key to my estate in Monaco means it still looks somewhat like a key.

Here's the post: Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking. (Page 197)

Here's my symbol, scroll down:
Quoting: (MaJorMan)

Nice decoration. Your intent is different than the one I'm using for this exercise so we aren't going to be reaching the same perspective anyway. But hope it works for you.
I'd still advise anyone doing the \$50 million perspective change to not decorate but literally modify the key as Chaol stated. I'm sure Chaol will clarify on this.
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Here's mine..

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I believe what he was saying is to specify the intent more. As in, "a symbol of my wealth is less specific than say, a symbol of \$50 million dollars in my account." I bolded the statement he made concerning the key. Which is basically the further removed from a key the better.
Quoting: Unit3

Here's what he said: A heavily modified key would be a good symbol. To be able to say it's a key to my estate in Monaco means it still looks somewhat like a key.

Here's the post: Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking. (Page 197)

Here's my symbol, scroll down:
Quoting: (MaJorMan)

Nice decoration. Your intent is different than the one I'm using for this exercise so we aren't going to be reaching the same perspective anyway. But hope it works for you.
I'd still advise anyone doing the \$50 million perspective change to not decorate but literally modify the key as Chaol stated. I'm sure Chaol will clarify on this.
Quoting: Unit3

Okay, I get your point. The symbol of a key to a house is not the same as a symbol for \$50 million.

So how does your symbol represent \$50 million? I think we need it to be specific to the \$50 million. I guess the green is specific enough?

Last Edited by ERE3 on 11/06/2012 11:06 PM
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