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Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

 
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Here's mine..


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I believe what he was saying is to specify the intent more. As in, "a symbol of my wealth is less specific than say, a symbol of $50 million dollars in my account." I bolded the statement he made concerning the key. Which is basically the further removed from a key the better.
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Here's what he said: A heavily modified key would be a good symbol. To be able to say it's a key to my estate in Monaco means it still looks somewhat like a key.

Here's the post: Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking. (Page 197)

Here's my symbol, scroll down:
[link to perceptionmap.blogspot.com]
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Nice decoration. Your intent is different than the one I'm using for this exercise so we aren't going to be reaching the same perspective anyway. But hope it works for you.
I'd still advise anyone doing the $50 million perspective change to not decorate but literally modify the key as Chaol stated. I'm sure Chaol will clarify on this.
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Okay, I get your point. The symbol of a key to a house is not the same as a symbol for $50 million.

So how does your symbol represent $50 million? I think we need it to be specific to the $50 million. I guess the green is specific enough?

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You can post an image here:
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Btw, I'm glad to have someone to work with on this. Thank you for that.

I know it seems like we are going around and around. But, I think it's important for us to get it right and then the pattern is set for our future creations.
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Here's what he said: A heavily modified key would be a good symbol. To be able to say it's a key to my estate in Monaco means it still looks somewhat like a key.

Here's the post: Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking. (Page 197)

Here's my symbol, scroll down:
[link to perceptionmap.blogspot.com]
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Nice decoration. Your intent is different than the one I'm using for this exercise so we aren't going to be reaching the same perspective anyway. But hope it works for you.
I'd still advise anyone doing the $50 million perspective change to not decorate but literally modify the key as Chaol stated. I'm sure Chaol will clarify on this.
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Okay, I get your point. The symbol of a key to a house is not the same as a symbol for $50 million.

So how does your symbol represent $50 million? I think we need it to be specific to the $50 million. I guess the green is specific enough?
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It sounds weird but the symbol could be a bag of sand that is used to bring about a perspective of an abundance of water. The logic is in the rules you make not the symbol itself.
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Nice decoration. Your intent is different than the one I'm using for this exercise so we aren't going to be reaching the same perspective anyway. But hope it works for you.
I'd still advise anyone doing the $50 million perspective change to not decorate but literally modify the key as Chaol stated. I'm sure Chaol will clarify on this.
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Okay, I get your point. The symbol of a key to a house is not the same as a symbol for $50 million.

So how does your symbol represent $50 million? I think we need it to be specific to the $50 million. I guess the green is specific enough?
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It sounds weird but the symbol could be a bag of sand that is used to bring about a perspective of an abundance of water. The logic is in the rules you make not the symbol itself.
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Okay, then I'm stuck with making a symbol for $50 million that I can wear around my neck. No offense, but your key is not something I'm going to be comfortable interacting with, with other people.

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Nice decoration. Your intent is different than the one I'm using for this exercise so we aren't going to be reaching the same perspective anyway. But hope it works for you.
I'd still advise anyone doing the $50 million perspective change to not decorate but literally modify the key as Chaol stated. I'm sure Chaol will clarify on this.
 Quoting: Unit3




Okay, I get your point. The symbol of a key to a house is not the same as a symbol for $50 million.

So how does your symbol represent $50 million? I think we need it to be specific to the $50 million. I guess the green is specific enough?
 Quoting: (MaJorMan)


It sounds weird but the symbol could be a bag of sand that is used to bring about a perspective of an abundance of water. The logic is in the rules you make not the symbol itself.
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And even the rules don't have to have anything to do with the outcome I don't think. As long as your symbol is interacting with your environment and you have rules and structure around it, subconsciously you will lead yourself to where u "want" to be.
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Obama = 'doom' on?
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Okay, I get your point. The symbol of a key to a house is not the same as a symbol for $50 million.

So how does your symbol represent $50 million? I think we need it to be specific to the $50 million. I guess the green is specific enough?
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It sounds weird but the symbol could be a bag of sand that is used to bring about a perspective of an abundance of water. The logic is in the rules you make not the symbol itself.
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And even the rules don't have to have anything to do with the outcome I don't think. As long as your symbol is interacting with your environment and you have rules and structure around it, subconsciously you will lead yourself to where u "want" to be.
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I agree about the rules. I also remember reading in one of the threads how opposite results sometimes happen.

Are you doing anything to interact with the Nov. 17th nexus?
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Okay, I get your point. The symbol of a key to a house is not the same as a symbol for $50 million.

So how does your symbol represent $50 million? I think we need it to be specific to the $50 million. I guess the green is specific enough?
 Quoting: (MaJorMan)


It sounds weird but the symbol could be a bag of sand that is used to bring about a perspective of an abundance of water. The logic is in the rules you make not the symbol itself.
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Okay, then I'm stuck with making a symbol for $50 million that I can wear around my neck. No offense, but your key is not something I'm going to be comfortable interacting with, with other people.
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Lol I know, I had wrote the same thing earlier. That's why I'd rather just pull it out when interacting with money and to put it in my wallet before bed. I'd rather not go through explaining to everyone why I have this weird shiny green thing hanging on my neck. Lol
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It sounds weird but the symbol could be a bag of sand that is used to bring about a perspective of an abundance of water. The logic is in the rules you make not the symbol itself.
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Okay, then I'm stuck with making a symbol for $50 million that I can wear around my neck. No offense, but your key is not something I'm going to be comfortable interacting with, with other people.
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Lol I know, I had wrote the same thing earlier. That's why I'd rather just pull it out when interacting with money and to put it in my wallet before bed. I'd rather not go through explaining to everyone why I have this weird shiny green thing hanging on my neck. Lol
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Now you know why I interacted with dogs, LOL!

I think it's important though to interact with others. That's why I was trying to keep to the key shape.

OK, let me think because I want to do this. I need to make a symbol that represents $50 million that I can interact with others and without feeling like a complete dork, heh!

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For specifics, we will be shifting perspectives to $50 million dollars in each of our accounts, unless that's not enough for some of our intentions lol.
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It is probably more effective to focus on the perspective which necessitates the need for $50 million USD, rather than ambiguously stating that you'd like $50MM.

If you cannot define it, it is likely not to have value.
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I'm in! The only question is, what is our logic for going from current bank account balances to $50 million? Don't we need to provide that idea to our subconscious?


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The logic for these increased bank balances, aka $50 million each, is whatever logic / rules we all decide to assign to our Geniuses
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If you had $50 million in your account(s), what is the story behind it?

How would you make sense of how it came to be?

How logical would it be to experience from your current perspective?
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For specifics, we will be shifting perspectives to $50 million dollars in each of our accounts, unless that's not enough for some of our intentions lol.
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It is probably more effective to focus on the perspective which necessitates the need for $50 million USD, rather than ambiguously stating that you'd like $50MM.

If you cannot define it, it is likely not to have value.
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That'll be the cost of a loaf of bread soon. Now it has value and is represented in our perspective.
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For specifics, we will be shifting perspectives to $50 million dollars in each of our accounts, unless that's not enough for some of our intentions lol.
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It is probably more effective to focus on the perspective which necessitates the need for $50 million USD, rather than ambiguously stating that you'd like $50MM.

If you cannot define it, it is likely not to have value.
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That'll be the cost of a loaf of bread soon. Now it has value and is represented in our perspective.
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Well, it seems that all my dreams are coming true. I'm not quite sure that's entirely a good thing though.

Let's see if Oscar Wilde is right about the 2nd tragedy of life...
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No problem guys, by the time Chaol and O are done with the US dollar everyone will be a trillionare.
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heh
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Many symbols come in silver-purple, green and mainly blue light, I think they are sigils from the higher realm protecting us in this world with many dark symbols. Do you have any knowledge of sigils from higher realm?
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I know not higher realms. I didn't know there were any.
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I'm up for this, too, however

I don't think we should use a key as a symbol - any key has meaning for us already

we each need to MAKE a NEW symbol - maybe all the same? or maybe different, not sure - but a symbol that has no meaning attached for us
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The key is like the base object in the creation of the symbol. No matter what the symbol is it must be compromised of something we already have a pre attached meaning to.

So, lets take a key, wrap it in aluminum foil until you've made a square like object, then wrap that in tape. You will have to leave a opening where the key hole is to insert string for the necklace.

How does that sound?
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It's better for there to be little pre-existing value in the symbol.

Just create something new and you'll be fine.

You can each use a different symbol for the same 'goal'. (It may even be better this way, as each has a different perspective.)

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[snips]
I actually had not thought of how I'd get to Vegas, just that Vegas is where the Bellagio is.

[snips]
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Sometimes it is not in Vegas ;)

(it depends on your perspective)

To clarify, "Bellagio" may relate more to a book in your library than "Vegas".

This is a bit more advanced, so I'll stop here.
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Major Man, look above at the bold. Chaol says it's better to have a key shape so our perspective is specific. We just need to modify the key.
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We seem to often mis-quote, so I will provide some clarity here.

It does not matter what the symbol is, as long as it's unique to your perspective. Of course it cannot be entirely unique, as it is relative to something else. Just make sure it has a little pre-assigned value as possible.

It can be a key or anything else. It doesn't matter. As long as it's somehow unique.
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Now lets come up with a name for our symbol using neuronicons. Lets say the sound of +S I +L +P
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According to Ec logic that string would read :

+S'I, +P'+L

oo'dua : oodua,

Can I ask your reasoning for this string? And how this relates to the Genius explanation below. Also, do you have a definition for the word you have created? (Might as well make some new words to add to the Ec-English dictionary while we are at it).

'How do these different parts of the process come together to change your experience?

By adding structure to your representation you attract potential energy and enable the right kind of interactions, from which new representations are born with bring you even closer to (or completely fulfill) our desire.

The time required to see it in your perspective depends on how relative these things are with your current perspective. As in, "how logical would it be to jump there from where I am standing?"

It's not that you're creating the new car out of thin air, but shifting your perspective. The steps above should provide the necessary intent to your "subconscious" to make that shift happen.' Ecsys.org link: [link to ecsys.org]


If the purpose of the Genius is to change our perspective, in this case to: make personal wealth( relevant to our perspectives 'sooner' (basically by reprogramming our "subconscious", or, tweaking our current Logic, or, breaking some rules, or, 'unstructuring' the perspectives which are no longer useful/relevant to us) then my thoughts on an Ec string would be something along the lines of this:

-I+P'+LL, +S+P'IL, -P+L, -I+P'-P+P, +S+I'SI, -PL'L+L, -S+L'-SP, PL'IL', -PL'-P+L, S-L'SP'-I+P', IP'P-P

great, wealth, continuously, flow(s/ing), [to]me, [in]increasing, quantities, via, multiple, sources, with-ease.

j'alu, ea'y, booba, j'unu, oo'i, kata'alu, s(z)'h, naru'y, kata'ta, f'o'j, air'wu.

[(Perspective shifts result in...)optional?] great wealth continuously flowing to me[other-me, my-other] in increasing quantities via multiple sources, with ease. (Here I have paraphrased and added to a mantra suggested on a 'thinking wealthy' video which someone posted earlier on this thread, sorry, I forget who posted it, and from which page it can be found).

If my understanding is correct, Chaos enables the impetus for change, the more chaotic a situation, the more interactions involved between symbols, then, the more possibilities exist for deconstruction/change/creation.
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Now lets come up with a name for our symbol using neuronicons. Lets say the sound of +S I +L +P
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According to Ec logic that string would read :

+S'I, +P'+L

oo'dua : oodua,

Can I ask your reasoning for this string? And how this relates to the Genius explanation below. Also, do you have a definition for the word you have created? (Might as well make some new words to add to the Ec-English dictionary while we are at it).

'How do these different parts of the process come together to change your experience?

By adding structure to your representation you attract potential energy and enable the right kind of interactions, from which new representations are born with bring you even closer to (or completely fulfill) our desire.

The time required to see it in your perspective depends on how relative these things are with your current perspective. As in, "how logical would it be to jump there from where I am standing?"

It's not that you're creating the new car out of thin air, but shifting your perspective. The steps above should provide the necessary intent to your "subconscious" to make that shift happen.' Ecsys.org link: [link to ecsys.org]


If the purpose of the Genius is to change our perspective, in this case to: make personal wealth( relevant to our perspectives 'sooner' (basically by reprogramming our "subconscious", or, tweaking our current Logic, or, breaking some rules, or, 'unstructuring' the perspectives which are no longer useful/relevant to us) then my thoughts on an Ec string would be something along the lines of this:

-I+P'+LL, +S+P'IL, -P+L, -I+P'-P+P, +S+I'SI, -PL'L+L, -S+L'-SP, PL'IL', -PL'-P+L, S-L'SP'-I+P', IP'P-P

great, wealth, continuously, flow(s/ing), [to]me, [in]increasing, quantities, via, multiple, sources, with-ease.

j'alu, ea'y, booba, j'unu, oo'i, kata'alu, s(z)'h, naru'y, kata'ta, f'o'j, air'wu.

[(Perspective shifts result in...)optional?] great wealth continuously flowing to me[other-me, my-other] in increasing quantities via multiple sources, with ease. (Here I have paraphrased and added to a mantra suggested on a 'thinking wealthy' video which someone posted earlier on this thread, sorry, I forget who posted it, and from which page it can be found).

If my understanding is correct, Chaos enables the impetus for change, the more chaotic a situation, the more interactions involved between symbols, then, the more possibilities exist for deconstruction/change/creation.
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LeKing posted it and here's the video.



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Major Man, look above at the bold. Chaol says it's better to have a key shape so our perspective is specific. We just need to modify the key.
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We seem to often mis-quote, so I will provide some clarity here.

It does not matter what the symbol is, as long as it's unique to your perspective. Of course it cannot be entirely unique, as it is relative to something else. Just make sure it has a little pre-assigned value as possible.

It can be a key or anything else. It doesn't matter. As long as it's somehow unique.
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Thank you for noticing. I realize I'm forgetting things as this drags out. I guess that's how I learn! ;o(
Your patience is appreciated.



hf

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I'm in! The only question is, what is our logic for going from current bank account balances to $50 million? Don't we need to provide that idea to our subconscious?


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The logic for these increased bank balances, aka $50 million each, is whatever logic / rules we all decide to assign to our Geniuses
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If you had $50 million in your account(s), what is the story behind it?

How would you make sense of how it came to be?

How logical would it be to experience from your current perspective?
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oooh...create a logical narrative from one perspective to the next, make our own '6 degrees of separation' style story of how we ended up with $50 million in the bank.
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thanks for the reminder unit3
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I'm in! The only question is, what is our logic for going from current bank account balances to $50 million? Don't we need to provide that idea to our subconscious?


Goofy Thum
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The logic for these increased bank balances, aka $50 million each, is whatever logic / rules we all decide to assign to our Geniuses
 Quoting: Marshwiggle


If you had $50 million in your account(s), what is the story behind it?

How would you make sense of how it came to be?

How logical would it be to experience from your current perspective?
 Quoting: Chaol



oooh...create a logical narrative from one perspective to the next, make our own '6 degrees of separation' style story of how we ended up with $50 million in the bank.
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Yes, that's how it makes sense. It's how we go from current perspective to the next.

When we started this group project, I suggested the logic be that we are starting a consciousness research institute.
This is logical to me for $50 million.

Edit: I'm sort of getting lost into how to do this as a group project.

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thanks for the reminder unit3
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Sure. Thanks for your string. I haven't even tried to get the language, yet. hf

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Talked to my dad, mother, wife and father in law... and they all strongly advise against getting this car.

If it's my car, I'll apparently get there by rowing against the stream...
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It does not mean that the destination has changed :)

I would even say that it clarifies the map a bit more. Now you have a better idea of the possibilities that would make their advice irrelevant.

For example, the car being gifted to you.
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Thanks for the heads up! That would be a possibility indeed.

Just for fun, here's a pic of the toy car with the color of the moon that almost fits in one's hand:

[link to farm9.staticflickr.com]

And here is the real car, as we saw it last friday. The front is not attached, just there for an indication what it would look like:

[link to farm8.staticflickr.com]

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