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Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

 
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Well, let us know when you want to leave after coming here. That will be soon probably?

I don't know, you think quantum physics is anything?

Perception is only in the eye of the beholder, and if you look around deeply enough, you will see all the selfish people here on this Planet. They continue to have that perception and wrongly so, for it is written if you have the Lord Jesus Christ that you can not perceive without having His help in the end. So far there is a lot of people who just want to use other people as a toy. Too bad the Lord God does not agree, while the others deny what it is that they are really doing. Well, if you came from a world line that is not full of weasels, then I am Mickey Mouse.
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Consciousness to me..hmm that would be my own perception of myself, my awareness of my own being.
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Excellent!

Then the question for you then is, What do you consider your "self"?

If it is your body, then what do you do with a part of your self when you clip your nails or cut your hair? If it is only the 'living' part of your body that you consider your self, where does your self go when you lose a pound?

What is your self when you are dreaming?

"Self" by itself is a bit difficult to pin. Perhaps because the usual basic assumptions about what self is could be expanded.

If it is "awareness of my own being" as you mentioned, then what does it mean to be aware of another being?

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what form of transportation did you use to get here?
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Interesting!

An analogy would be the kind of transportation you would use to go to medical school.

There are many kinds of transportation. Each type serves a purpose appropriate to the intention.

A "time traveler" for example would be expected to use a machine to "travel through time". However, no such machine is required when you're manipulating time right now.

We have discovered that the the most elemental force in the universe is perspective. We use perspective to our advantage. Here, it is taken more for granted.

I sometimes go back and forth, although I spend most of my time here.

There is no 'transportation' between spaces because there is no space. Only perspective.

So, we change perspective. (You do this all the time, too. Most obvious is when you go to dream.)

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So are you on the same earth as us, just a different "realm"?

Where on your earth do you live?
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Hello!

I am in Canada visiting my girlfriend.

Right now I am in the same physically-oriented place as you. This kind of simplifies it, as your own family and friends probably do not exist in the same "plane" (for lack of a usefuller word) as you.

However, I am from a place most would consider quite far. The distance is psychological.

For example, if you had a "time machine" and changed to the year 1000 you would be completely disoriented because the cognitive and physical framework is completely different.

It would be much easier for you to change to 2000, for example.

There are what you would call visitors from other perspectives in your world, as well. Again the cognitive framework is completely different. So you may see them as something they're not (like a spaceship, orb, or other form).

My world is quite similar so it isn't that difficult to change perspectives.

It is no different than you walking to another room. Although a better analogy in this example would be you *suddenly* appearing in Morocco.

For you there must be a gradual shift in perspective as opposed to a sudden one. Going back to our above example, you would probably need to change to 2005, 1999, 1980, etc., *before* your perspective shifts to year 1000. Otherwise you would see an other kind of world than that in your history books. (You would experience a world heavily influenced by your original time. So it would be more like a really strange year 2009 rather than ~year 1000.)

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op. I dunno what I am expecting to find in a search engine, I did't find anything of certain relevance to what you are proclaiming. However, I am curious if you have other source links, maybe to a pdf or something pertaining to your knowledge of this higher structuring.
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Understood!

I created a website for the system. It's called 'ecsys'. We don't call the language this, it's just something I made up (pronouncing "exist" or "easy sys" or "e-c-sys").

More information to come. This is but the beginning.

Thanks.
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Hello!

I have been living in this world for some time now.

I came from a place also named Earth, much like this planet. There are a number of differences between my home and yours.

I thought it would be interesting to share a few things with you that are relatively common knowledge where I am from. My reasons for doing so will probably be more apparent in the future.

* Consciousness does not exist (but relationships do)
* Matter is gravity that has been structured
* We are not human (we are perspectives)
* When the totality of something cannot be grasped, it appears infinite.
* Space is not physical
* There is no "now" or "here", but relationships.

We use a kind of language like you use numbers here. Numbers, representations of abstract concepts, were 'invented' to work more easily with the world around us. Our language is no different.

If it were invented today it would probably be thought of as existing in parallel with science. A new kind of science.

This language also enables the shifting of perspective like a kind of mental technology. Some of you may find it quite interesting.

If anyone is interested in learning more please let me know.

Thanks.
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You mean Einstein had it right all along?
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Well, let us know when you want to leave after coming here. That will be soon probably?

I don't know, you think quantum physics is anything?

Perception is only in the eye of the beholder, and if you look around deeply enough, you will see all the selfish people here on this Planet. They continue to have that perception and wrongly so, for it is written if you have the Lord Jesus Christ that you can not perceive without having His help in the end. So far there is a lot of people who just want to use other people as a toy. Too bad the Lord God does not agree, while the others deny what it is that they are really doing. Well, if you came from a world line that is not full of weasels, then I am Mickey Mouse.
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Hello!

I should be here for some time yet, I hope. This is an interesting place to be. I'm not used to such 'entertainment' as I've found here.

Quantum physics is the finger pointing the way.

However, you're just as likely to find "the answers" playing video games as you would becoming a particle physicist.

Actually, I think you'd be more likely to find the answers playing video games. Allow me to explain.

There are only a handful of persons who would understand most of the precepts of quantum physics. A very small percentage of the population.

"The answers" in the universe apply to everyone, not just an infinitesimally small percentage of the population.

We look to scientists for these answers because they're doing things that we don't understand. It is no different than how (in the past) we look to the religious elite for the answers.

But the answers are not found in science or religion or any one particular aspect of the schools and politics that we have created.

The answers are universal and have more to do with consciousness and perception.

It is interesting to me to see how it is assumed that cultures "obsessed" with entertainment and celebrity must be devolving.

We are learning how to use our minds more abstractly through fantasy. It doesn't matter what the fantasy is. What matters is that we are creating relationships that did not previously exist in our cognitive framework. Our fantasies are becoming richer. These kinds of mental exercises will lead most of us into a world based on mind rather than physicality.

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You mean Einstein had it right all along?
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It depends on what you consider "wrong".

Here's an example:

Let's say that Bob discovers a new formula, but the math is off.

Gyn comes along and reworks the formula to make it more useful. (To "make it right")

In my world Bob's formula is just as correct as Gyn's.

In your world Bob is wrong and should have his Nobel confiscated.

You could say that the correctness of Gyn's formula is based on Bob's formula. This would be an expanded version of "right" and "wrong".

It is not that Einstein was wrong. Einstein was completely right for the time.

If Einstein made public a more accurate group of theories, then this world would be very different.

What if you wen to year 1905 with physics from the year 2005 to show them what was right?

Changes need to be introduced gradually. Besides, no one would have the framework to understand most of what you're talking about (even with the maths).

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very interesting!

what about life? death?

why we live?
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very interesting!

what about life? death?

why we live?
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Hello!

It sure seems like we're living, doesn't it?

This is a whole bag of chips I don't want to open.

But think about this: if you take away your senses, would you still be alive?

Or, does a fetus think it is dying when her mother is giving birth to her?

Or, did parts of "you" die yesterday? Last year?

Or, if you shut your television off is it still receiving signals?

Life and death is mostly a matter of perspective.

We exist, perhaps, to form relationships (of all kinds). Not that existence has a purpose but more of a design.

But perhaps you're talking about life on Earth.

"Earth" is just what you happen to call this collection of relationships. You will always call it something, no matter what your experience. And it would seem like the only home you have.

Thanks.
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That example helps but still hard to grasp for an earthling.
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Hello!

I've thought about your response more.

Let me ask you a question. Can you tell me one thing that you are aware of?

Thanks :)
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thank you, my friend.

teach me more. anything you feel to teach.
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thank you, my friend.

teach me more. anything you feel to teach.
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Hello!

What would you like to learn?

:)
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>>>>>The answers are universal and have more to do with consciousness and perception.<<<<<

Too bad. It is not all that entertaining because you stated that there is no consciousness and no perception with the senses. Still there is the mind, so if there were no sensors to pick up signals, then still there would be the mind, and that would still dictate that there was life, but then it would be wholly a different perspective on life then.

Well, I will give you over to some other people perhaps, that may be interested in what you state, not that I am not, but well, frankly, I think you may find that a lot of people have no inkling of what you are claiming because they have no perception developed to deal with it. To them it may be entertaining, but really, I hope you know you ought to get paid for whatever it is that you are selling, these other people will be difficult to convince. I still may think that the Universe is filled with egos though out of humans being that humans are unto themselves in this Universe, although to some, other intelligent life must exist in this Universe. I see where these other people claim that humans are not really as intelligent as what some of these so-called more intelligent people claim. Physicists I don't think claim anything like that yet, they simply state they do not know according to what they find in particle accelerators except to never know. The structure of the Universe, without humans, is what they claim. Well, perhaps some of the other people who like this type of conversation will have more interesting questions for you (afterall they usually are on another forum, and well, perhaps some questions will come out of them. Good luck!
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thank you, my friend.

teach me more. anything you feel to teach.


Hello!

What would you like to learn?

:)
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new way to generate electricity?

mind over matter?

god?
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>>>>>The answers are universal and have more to do with consciousness and perception.<<<<<

Too bad. It is not all that entertaining because you stated that there is no consciousness and no perception with the senses. Still there is the mind, so if there were no sensors to pick up signals, then still there would be the mind, and that would still dictate that there was life, but then it would be wholly a different perspective on life then...
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Hello!

It was that consciousness is more about relationships between things than being fully aware of something.

One cannot be fully aware of anything. Consciousness is more of an illusion of the senses.

There is only "mind" and "senses" when one considers the influence of physically-based thinking.

It is not as easy to illustrate this when we're attached to the meaning of the words, having no others available.

It's all about perspective. Within perspective you could say there is consciousness, mind, senses, etc. But it is not the same as what we're used to.

Thanks.
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new way to generate electricity?
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Hello!

Electricity generation is more about politics here than technology.

There is so much that has been developed already that you don't see.

The best, most efficient methods capture energy from the air. Some of this comes from the heavens, some from our cells

You could convert sound, gamma rays, and other as-yet-undiscovered waves all you want but if you don't find a new way to cultivate a culture that does not care so much about endless profits then it will be all for naught.

mind over matter?
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Is there a difference?

Practically-speaking, matter is gravity. Attraction and repulsion.

"mind over matter" is done even now, as you type.

The question is, How do you do it?

god?
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Perspective.

Thanks.
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Hey OP. The way you translated the relationship between those elements to numbers and then to words is very similar to how I'm applying what I call "numerological math" to the "thirteen intentions of creation." I have identified 13 principles or intentions of Creation. You can read about them here: [ [link to www.conspiracybase.com] ]

I agree 100% with the idea that perspective is essential for a good understanding of the universe. Funnily enough, it was a computer game that taught me about consciousness, reality and perspective -- exactly as you mention.
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Also OP, I think that the general interpretation for the four elements that you mention (ion, axon, chaon, elementon) may correspond to four of the Thirteen Intentions of Creation, as I call them in my model. Or maybe you guys have simplified the 13 principles into five/four elements. I recognize that this is possible.

Great stuff.
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Could you tell us some details about these 4 elements, the formulas and the relationships, and the structure of your language?


Hello! Surely...

The four elements are ion, axon, chaon, elementon. (There is a 5th, but it's not used.)

Each can have a numerical value and context value. They are 1, 2, 3, 5, respectively.

An ion is structure.
An axon is potential energy.
A chaon is interaction.
An elementon is representation.

The basic formulas are:

* 1+2=3
* 2+3=5
* 5-3=2
* 3-2=1

So, for example: an ion element + an axon element = a chaon element (1+2=3)

To illustrate this example, let's say that a building is an ion element (structure; 1). The space inside the building is an axon element (potential energy; 2). So when you add these two elements together you get interactivity (chaon; 3).

You simply identify what element (of the 4) something is then you can extrapolate conjectures about its relationship with something else. You can also add more formulas onto the result to get more detailed extrapolations.

This is an example done for illustration. The system is used for the very simple as well as the very complex.

The basic formulas could be easily translated into workable For example, 3-2=1 could be translated as, "if we provide less potential energy than our interactions require, our time perspective is reversed." (As potential energy is being structured more than it is not.) Such a model can be used for what would be called time travel (although time is not really what is thought).

The benefit of such a base system allows anyone to use it to make their own extrapolations.

Thanks.
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That is how works the Caret Language and Drones -Google it-

Thanks OP

PS: Timenot 0 we "dislike":

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Hey OP. The way you translated the relationship between those elements to numbers and then to words is very similar to how I'm applying what I call "numerological math" to the "thirteen intentions of creation." I have identified 13 principles or intentions of Creation. You can read about them here: [ [link to www.conspiracybase.com] ]

I agree 100% with the idea that perspective is essential for a good understanding of the universe. Funnily enough, it was a computer game that taught me about consciousness, reality and perspective -- exactly as you mention.
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Interesting!

But why do you sell the content?

In the part that I could access it is said, "One of the reasons why there is no scientifically acceptable definition or interpretation of consciousness is because it can mean several things to different people."

How about that consciousness is not related to science?

Science, as we know it today, cannot define consciousness because consciousness is not scientific.

What do you think?

Thanks.
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Also OP, I think that the general interpretation for the four elements that you mention (ion, axon, chaon, elementon) may correspond to four of the Thirteen Intentions of Creation, as I call them in my model. Or maybe you guys have simplified the 13 principles into five/four elements. I recognize that this is possible.

Great stuff.
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Hello!

As is quoted on the website, "A theory is more impressive the greater is the simplicity of its premise,
the more different are the kinds of things it relates and the more extended its range of applicability…" -Albert Einstein

It could be careful that when a "theory of everything" is created that it applies to everything and not just scientific things.

Science today is busy working on a theory that applies to an ever-smaller slice of the universe (and accessible to an ever-shrinking scientific body).

A universal theory must be truly universal and have the ability to be applied to everything, not just today's science.

What do you think?

Thanks.
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Interesting!

But why do you sell the content?

In the part that I could access it is said, "One of the reasons why there is no scientifically acceptable definition or interpretation of consciousness is because it can mean several things to different people."

How about that consciousness is not related to science?

Science, as we know it today, cannot define consciousness because consciousness is not scientific.

What do you think?

Thanks.
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well. that is pretty much what is written later on that section. lol.

as you said yourself: "When the totality of something cannot be grasped, it appears infinite."

equations break down or stop making sense with infinite values, hence science not being able to include consciousness in their models.
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That is how works the Caret Language and Drones -Google it-
Thanks OP
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Hello!

I did not know that Alienware computers had such iconography.

Interestingly, it is when humans adopt new symbols for their concepts that they truly transform into civilizations.

You could "double your IQ" in one year, so to speak, simply by creating and using your own language. (As long as it represented new concepts for which you did not previously have words.)

Thanks.
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cant believe there are no bsflags
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Hello!

As is quoted on the website, "A theory is more impressive the greater is the simplicity of its premise,
the more different are the kinds of things it relates and the more extended its range of applicability…" -Albert Einstein

It could be careful that when a "theory of everything" is created that it applies to everything and not just scientific things.

Science today is busy working on a theory that applies to an ever-smaller slice of the universe (and accessible to an ever-shrinking scientific body).

A universal theory must be truly universal and have the ability to be applied to everything, not just today's science.

What do you think?

Thanks.
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I couldn't agree more... We lack a true universal theory.
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well. that is pretty much what is written later on that section. lol.

as you said yourself: "When the totality of something cannot be grasped, it appears infinite."

equations break down or stop making sense with infinite values, hence science not being able to include consciousness in their models.
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Yes!

It might be found one day that a new maths is.

The kind of maths that represent new concepts. Beyond base-10.

We assume that our maths is universal, when it is not the case. I'm reminded of Star Trek episodes where no matter where in the galaxy they are, English is widely spoken.

There is an advanced civilization that I know about that would not be able to readily solve "What is 1+5?"

Our cognitive framework works for us, right now. But it is not the end-all-be-all.

Thanks.

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