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Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

 
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Hi.

Any symbol will do. Just create something unique. No need to relate it directly to your intention. You're representing something that cannot be represented, so it doesn't matter what it is. (But if you try to represent something intentionally using elements from what you desire you will most likely be missing a world of experiences, and could be missing your desired perspective.)
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Chaol, sorry for not being clear, but my question was regarding the desired perspective itself and not the created symbol segway. Specifically, should the symbol I create relate to the actual attainment of the position itself, or should it relate to an aspect of the job (e.g. the benefits/401k paperwork)?

For instance, in your most recent example, I infer that you wanted a Bentley; and instead of making a symbol directly related to [the car itself], you made the symbol that represented your handling of an administrative experience with scratched wheels. Is this correct?

My question concerns intent--as in, does my symbol represent my perceiving of me 'getting the job', or need it represent an other aspect which would be part and parcel to me getting that particular job so that I can actually experience "getting the job!"?

Thanks again for any help you may provide.
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Hi.

You were clear. My suggestion stands. The intention comes out when you're creating a "random" symbol. There is no need to make an obvious symbol.

So when you are thinking about your goal there's no need to make your symbol relate to it.

(It is related automatically through your sub-conscious. If our conscious mind does it, it will probably screw it up because it's not so smart.)
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To the NATO gentleman reading this forum...

What does Ecsys have to do with NATO? Looking to trade goods? I'm stumped.
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Hi.

Any symbol will do. Just create something unique. No need to relate it directly to your intention. You're representing something that cannot be represented, so it doesn't matter what it is. (But if you try to represent something intentionally using elements from what you desire you will most likely be missing a world of experiences, and could be missing your desired perspective.)
 Quoting: Chaol


Chaol, sorry for not being clear, but my question was regarding the desired perspective itself and not the created symbol segway. Specifically, should the symbol I create relate to the actual attainment of the position itself, or should it relate to an aspect of the job (e.g. the benefits/401k paperwork)?

For instance, in your most recent example, I infer that you wanted a Bentley; and instead of making a symbol directly related to [the car itself], you made the symbol that represented your handling of an administrative experience with scratched wheels. Is this correct?

My question concerns intent--as in, does my symbol represent my perceiving of me 'getting the job', or need it represent an other aspect which would be part and parcel to me getting that particular job so that I can actually experience "getting the job!"?

Thanks again for any help you may provide.
 Quoting: X Won 1407931


Hi.

You were clear. My suggestion stands. The intention comes out when you're creating a "random" symbol. There is no need to make an obvious symbol.

So when you are thinking about your goal there's no need to make your symbol relate to it.

(It is related automatically through your sub-conscious. If our conscious mind does it, it will probably screw it up because it's not so smart.)
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Very interesting. Thanks.
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To the NATO gentleman reading this forum...

What does Ecsys have to do with NATO? Looking to trade goods? I'm stumped.
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This has been a very interesting day.

Woot!
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To the NATO gentleman reading this forum...

What does Ecsys have to do with NATO? Looking to trade goods? I'm stumped.
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[snippy]

(It is related automatically through your sub-conscious. If our conscious mind does it, it will probably screw it up because it's not so smart.)
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Very interesting. Thanks.
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That's why it's called the Genius. It's your sub-conscious that makes it work, and gives you the perspective you sub-consciously intended.

Which means, of course, you're using the Genius to communicate with your genius!

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To the NATO gentleman reading this forum...

What does Ecsys have to do with NATO? Looking to trade goods? I'm stumped.
 Quoting: Chaol


This has been a very interesting day.

Woot!
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Indeed. Every few weeks we get DOD other government and NGO types on their break time (or whatever) but NATO-behind-proxy is kind of strange. Pretending they are part of a school system is an even more interesting way of browsing the internet.

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Chaol,

Lately I've been having dreams that take place in a particular setting, where events unfold in direction 'x'. Yet after a while I find myself back at the beginning of the dream, only to experience a new storyline.

Does this signify anything?
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Just a note.. the first step illustrated at [link to ecsys.org] is done so to make it easy to understand.

Now that we are at a slightly more advanced level we can do away with making obvious representations and try to let our sub-conscious mind take over when creating them.

(The obvious representations can still work, but not as well as one that is more random and unique.)

I don't mean to confuse, but some of the material will change as we move along to more advanced uses (however the website will not). The old information is sometimes necessary to create familiar stepping-stones.
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Okay, here's my latest.

Symbol: Metal doo hickey with a hole in middle, alumnium foil through it, stuck onto modified key.

Represents: Bank notification that 450 million USD is transferred to 9 other accounts, including mine @ 50 million USD each.

Space: My kitchen

Logic: Take symbol to kitchen every time I go. It will sit on top of a jar lid that is placed on top of the coffee maker while I am in the kitchen.

Interaction: Talk to the symbol and tell what I'm cooking, etc:. Share photo with others (Scroll down). [link to perceptionmap.blogspot.com]

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Chaol,

Lately I've been having dreams that take place in a particular setting, where events unfold in direction 'x'. Yet after a while I find myself back at the beginning of the dream, only to experience a new storyline.

Does this signify anything?
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There are endless story-lines. Perhaps you are just experiencing what different possibilities would be like.

(More accurately, experiencing more of the values inherent in the current perspective.)

It's what we do all the time but we do not often realize it.
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[snippy]

(It is related automatically through your sub-conscious. If our conscious mind does it, it will probably screw it up because it's not so smart.)
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Very interesting. Thanks.
 Quoting: Unit3


That's why it's called the Genius. It's your sub-conscious that makes it work, and gives you the perspective you sub-consciously intended.

Which means, of course, you're using the Genius to communicate with your Genius!
 Quoting: Chaol




LOL!

I am so glad to finally be learning how to use the sub-conscious. I was already on track but this is the icing on the cake, for sure!!!!
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Okay, here's my latest.

Symbol: Metal doo hickey with a hole in middle, alumnium foil through it, stuck onto modified key.

Represents: Bank notification that 450 million USD is transferred to 9 other accounts, including mine @ million USD each.

Space: My kitchen

Logic: Take symbol to kitchen every time I go. It will sit on top of a jar lid that is placed on top of the coffee maker while I am in the kitchen.

Interaction: Talk to the symbol and tell what I'm cooking, etc:. Share photo with others (Scroll down). [link to perceptionmap.blogspot.com]
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Can you make the Possibility element a space in the bank of your choice?
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To the NATO gentleman reading this forum...

What does Ecsys have to do with NATO? Looking to trade goods? I'm stumped.
 Quoting: Chaol


This has been a very interesting day.

Woot!
 Quoting: Unit3


Indeed. Every few weeks we get DOD other government and NGO types on their break time (or whatever) but NATO-behind-proxy is kind of strange. Pretending they are part of a school system is an even more interesting way of browsing the internet.
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The alphabet guys....gotta love 'em!!!

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Chaol,

Lately I've been having dreams that take place in a particular setting, where events unfold in direction 'x'. Yet after a while I find myself back at the beginning of the dream, only to experience a new storyline.

Does this signify anything?
 Quoting: CatCarel


There are endless story-lines. Perhaps you are just experiencing what different possibilities would be like.

(More accurately, experiencing more of the values inherent in the current perspective.)

It's what we do all the time but we do not often realize it.
 Quoting: Chaol




I've been doing something similar, only it's in dream time and waking time. I'll have a story-line going and then something from way back in my past, pops in. Something from childhood. For example, a piece of furniture or person or room from childhood....and this is dream time or waking.

I probably wouldn't have noticed it so much in waking time except it's been happening in dream time so much too. Edit: and when it happens in waking time, I go interact with the childhood symbol. It seems the thing to do. To me, my perspective is doing something...so I'm going to make sure I notice. Hope that makes sense.

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[snippy]

(It is related automatically through your sub-conscious. If our conscious mind does it, it will probably screw it up because it's not so smart.)
 Quoting: Chaol



Very interesting. Thanks.
 Quoting: Unit3


That's why it's called the Genius. It's your sub-conscious that makes it work, and gives you the perspective you sub-consciously intended.

Which means, of course, you're using the Genius to communicate with your Genius!
 Quoting: Chaol


LOL!

I am so glad to finally be learning how to use the sub-conscious. I was already on track but this is the icing on the cake, for sure!!!!
 Quoting: Unit3


The sub-conscious* communicates entirely with use of symbol in a way very similar to the Genius.

The sub-conscious is like a room (Possibility) where the length, width, and breadth are Logic. It doesn't matter if the room is 5 meters or 12 meters long, as long as it accommodates us and our symbols; Symbols are placed in a seeming random manner on the floor, where we step past and over them (Interaction)

We don't normally bend over to move the boxes but prefer to constantly shift our position (creating perspective, a sense of motion, time, space, and life) and let our sub-conscious do the moving. We don't realize that it is not the boxes themselves that create our experience (fate, as we see it.. because we seem to have only a set number to choose from) but our position and our perspective in relation to the symbols on the floor, that creates our experience.

The Genius is like a control box that we use to move the symbols around. But it is up to us to move into position in order to experience the new perspective.

*I use this term only for ease of explanation.

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I've been doing something similar, only it's in dream time and waking time. I'll have a story-line going and then something from way back in my past, pops in. Something from childhood. For example, a piece of furniture or person or room from childhood....and this is dream time or waking.

I probably wouldn't have noticed it so much in waking time except it's been happening in dream time so much too. Edit: and when it happens in waking time, I go interact with the childhood symbol. It seems the thing to do. To me, my perspective is doing something...so I'm going to make sure I notice. Hope that makes sense.
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You're beginning to perceive that which has been there all along, it seems like.
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Okay, here's my latest.

Symbol: Metal doo hickey with a hole in middle, alumnium foil through it, stuck onto modified key.

Represents: Bank notification that 450 million USD is transferred to 9 other accounts, including mine @ million USD each.

Space: My kitchen

Logic: Take symbol to kitchen every time I go. It will sit on top of a jar lid that is placed on top of the coffee maker while I am in the kitchen.

Interaction: Talk to the symbol and tell what I'm cooking, etc:. Share photo with others (Scroll down). [link to perceptionmap.blogspot.com]
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Can you make the Possibility element a space in the bank of your choice?
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Possibility: Receive bank statement every month telling me I have an additional $15,678 in my account.

Would this ^^^^ replace the whole thing about 45 million USD statement above?
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Very interesting. Thanks.
 Quoting: Unit3


That's why it's called the Genius. It's your sub-conscious that makes it work, and gives you the perspective you sub-consciously intended.

Which means, of course, you're using the Genius to communicate with your Genius!
 Quoting: Chaol


LOL!

I am so glad to finally be learning how to use the sub-conscious. I was already on track but this is the icing on the cake, for sure!!!!
 Quoting: Unit3


The sub-conscious* communicates entirely with use of symbol in a way very similar to the Genius.

The sub-conscious is like a room (Possibility) where the length, width, and breadth are Logic; Symbols are placed in a seeming random manner on the floor, where we step past and over them (Interaction)

We don't normally bend over to move the boxes but prefer to constantly shift our position (creating perspective, a sense of motion, time, space, and life) and let our sub-conscious do the moving. We don't realize that it is not the boxes themselves that create our experience (fate, as we see it.. because we seem to have only a set number to choose from) but our position and our perspective in relation to the symbols on the floor, that creates our experience.

The Genius is like a control box that we use to move the symbols around. But it is up to us to move into position in order to experience the new perspective.

*I use this term only for ease of explanation.
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Beautiful explanation. Thank you.

Yes, I've been wondering how you would really term subconscious. Thanks for using words that make it understandable to me.
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I've been doing something similar, only it's in dream time and waking time. I'll have a story-line going and then something from way back in my past, pops in. Something from childhood. For example, a piece of furniture or person or room from childhood....and this is dream time or waking.

I probably wouldn't have noticed it so much in waking time except it's been happening in dream time so much too. Edit: and when it happens in waking time, I go interact with the childhood symbol. It seems the thing to do. To me, my perspective is doing something...so I'm going to make sure I notice. Hope that makes sense.
 Quoting: Unit3


You're beginning to perceive that which has been there all along, it seems like.
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I hope so. I've been working on just this thing for quite a while. But what you have presented us is truly beyond what I probably would have figured out.
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Okay, here's my latest.

Symbol: Metal doo hickey with a hole in middle, alumnium foil through it, stuck onto modified key.

Represents: Bank notification that 450 million USD is transferred to 9 other accounts, including mine @ million USD each.

Space: My kitchen

Logic: Take symbol to kitchen every time I go. It will sit on top of a jar lid that is placed on top of the coffee maker while I am in the kitchen.

Interaction: Talk to the symbol and tell what I'm cooking, etc:. Share photo with others (Scroll down). [link to perceptionmap.blogspot.com]
 Quoting: Unit3


Can you make the Possibility element a space in the bank of your choice?
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Possibility: Receive bank statement every month telling me I have an additional $15,678 in my account.

Would this ^^^^ replace the whole thing about 45 million USD statement above?
 Quoting: Unit3


I mean an actual physical space in the physical bank.

That is to say, making your "Possibility" element inside of the bank.

For Logic, you could set a time and day of the week that you go to the bank to perform a particular action.

You could even create multiple symbols (of the same kind) and place inside of your Possibility. Maybe some modified pens that others inside of the bank interact with (if the 'space' is the writing counter)? Just an idea.
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I've been doing something similar, only it's in dream time and waking time. I'll have a story-line going and then something from way back in my past, pops in. Something from childhood. For example, a piece of furniture or person or room from childhood....and this is dream time or waking.

I probably wouldn't have noticed it so much in waking time except it's been happening in dream time so much too. Edit: and when it happens in waking time, I go interact with the childhood symbol. It seems the thing to do. To me, my perspective is doing something...so I'm going to make sure I notice. Hope that makes sense.
 Quoting: Unit3


You're beginning to perceive that which has been there all along, it seems like.
 Quoting: Chaol




I hope so. I've been working on just this thing for quite a while. But what you have presented us is truly beyond what I probably would have figured out.
 Quoting: Unit3


Part of me wants it to be figured out organically.

The other part of me knows that the organisms don't want to wait around for it that long :)
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Okay, here's my latest.

Symbol: Metal doo hickey with a hole in middle, alumnium foil through it, stuck onto modified key.

Represents: Bank notification that 450 million USD is transferred to 9 other accounts, including mine @ million USD each.

Space: My kitchen

Logic: Take symbol to kitchen every time I go. It will sit on top of a jar lid that is placed on top of the coffee maker while I am in the kitchen.

Interaction: Talk to the symbol and tell what I'm cooking, etc:. Share photo with others (Scroll down). [link to perceptionmap.blogspot.com]
 Quoting: Unit3


Can you make the Possibility element a space in the bank of your choice?
 Quoting: Chaol





Possibility: Receive bank statement every month telling me I have an additional $15,678 in my account.

Would this ^^^^ replace the whole thing about 45 million USD statement above?
 Quoting: Unit3


I mean an actual physical space in the physical bank.

That is to say, making your "Possibility" element inside of the bank.

For Logic, you could set a time and day of the week that you go to the bank to perform a particular action.

You could even create multiple symbols (of the same kind) and place inside of your Possibility. Maybe some modified pens that others inside of the bank interact with (if the 'space' is the writing counter)? Just an idea.
 Quoting: Chaol




ohhhhh, ok. Yes, I can do this. I can use fingernail polish to paint a pen and take it with me. Maybe put some kind of decoration on it too.

So would the pen/s replace the other symbol and instead of taking it to the kitchen, take the pen/s to the bank?

Also, my branch never has other customers in it. Everybody uses the drive-through. I thought I'd go in and do some banking. Can I ask the tellers to use the pen because it's my lucky pen?

Edit: I could swear we just went through posts last night that said the crazier the rules and the symbol the better?

I'm going with the flow though.

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I've been doing something similar, only it's in dream time and waking time. I'll have a story-line going and then something from way back in my past, pops in. Something from childhood. For example, a piece of furniture or person or room from childhood....and this is dream time or waking.

I probably wouldn't have noticed it so much in waking time except it's been happening in dream time so much too. Edit: and when it happens in waking time, I go interact with the childhood symbol. It seems the thing to do. To me, my perspective is doing something...so I'm going to make sure I notice. Hope that makes sense.
 Quoting: Unit3


You're beginning to perceive that which has been there all along, it seems like.
 Quoting: Chaol




I hope so. I've been working on just this thing for quite a while. But what you have presented us is truly beyond what I probably would have figured out.
 Quoting: Unit3


Part of me wants it to be figured out organically.

The other part of me knows that the organisms don't want to wait around for it that long :)
 Quoting: Chaol





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Hi.

You were clear. My suggestion stands. The intention comes out when you're creating a "random" symbol. There is no need to make an obvious symbol.

So when you are thinking about your goal there's no need to make your symbol relate to it.

(It is related automatically through your sub-conscious. If our conscious mind does it, it will probably screw it up because it's not so smart.)
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Awesome. Thanks! Tomorrow I will create the symbol and begin to formulate step two: possibility. And then I'll report back here for further guidance.

Thanks again, Chaol.
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Part of me wants it to be figured out organically.

The other part of me knows that the organisms don't want to wait around for it that long :)
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Isn't this organic?
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Part of me wants it to be figured out organically.

The other part of me knows that the organisms don't want to wait around for it that long :)
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Isn't this organic?
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I'd say he's really breaking it down for us at this point.

just sayin'
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Part of me wants it to be figured out organically.

The other part of me knows that the organisms don't want to wait around for it that long :)
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Isn't this organic?
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I'd say he's really breaking it down for us at this point.

just sayin'
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Agree :) When a chick (or chegg) chinks it's shell enough times, then finally breaks through, even a little, the rest falls away much easier.

I just think this conversation is as organic as any thing else. It's not a magic wand.
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ohhhhh, ok. Yes, I can do this. I can use fingernail polish to paint a pen and take it with me. Maybe put some kind of decoration on it too.

So would the pen/s replace the other symbol and instead of taking it to the kitchen, take the pen/s to the bank?

Edit: I could swear we just went through posts last night that said the crazier the rules and the symbol the better?

I'm going with the flow though.
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Well, practically, it should be something that people want to interact with. It is a bank after all :) Maybe some modifications that aren't really noticeable. Something done or placed, attached, etc., on the inside should work fine, too. However, it could also be something else.

I think 'possibility' inside of a bank or similar place is a good idea if your intention is for a number of bank accounts to benefit. It follows that your symbol uses this space for interaction.

If you do this, no need for the other symbol.

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Part of me wants it to be figured out organically.

The other part of me knows that the organisms don't want to wait around for it that long :)
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Isn't this organic?
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Organic with some interference on my part, yes.

But seeing as there are so many possibilities, the interference is part of nature ;)

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