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Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

 
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ohhhhh, ok. Yes, I can do this. I can use fingernail polish to paint a pen and take it with me. Maybe put some kind of decoration on it too.

So would the pen/s replace the other symbol and instead of taking it to the kitchen, take the pen/s to the bank?

Edit: I could swear we just went through posts last night that said the crazier the rules and the symbol the better?

I'm going with the flow though.
 Quoting: Unit3


Well, practically, it should be something that people want to interact with. It is a bank after all :) Maybe some modifications that aren't really noticeable. Something done or placed, attached, etc., on the inside should work fine, too. However, it could also be something else.

I think 'possibility' inside of a bank or similar place is a good idea if your intention is for a number of bank accounts to benefit. It follows that your symbol uses this space for interaction.

If you do this, no need for the other symbol.
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Okay. Let me ask this then. I go to a branch where everybody uses the drive-through and no customers are ever inside. Can I go inside and ask the tellers to use my lucky pen which I can paint a logo on?

Or, would a symbol I create (that is whimsical and no definition of anything) that's attached to my bankbook, which I take into the bank, work better?
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Just a note.. the first step illustrated at [link to ecsys.org] is done so to make it easy to understand.

Now that we are at a slightly more advanced level we can do away with making obvious representations and try to let our sub-conscious mind take over when creating them.

(The obvious representations can still work, but not as well as one that is more random and unique.)

I don't mean to confuse, but some of the material will change as we move along to more advanced uses (however the website will not). The old information is sometimes necessary to create familiar stepping-stones.
 Quoting: Chaol





Thank you.

Good idea to keep the website the same. No telling who might find it. And when first starting out, the way the website is set up, makes it easier to start grasping the message of Ecsys.

Goofy thum
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If I would create a symbol, I don't know for what purpose it should be made (I really don't want 'anything').

Could a symbol be created with the intention of experience, let's say, bliss?
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Part of me wants it to be figured out organically.

The other part of me knows that the organisms don't want to wait around for it that long :)
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Isn't this organic?
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Organic with some interference on my part, yes.

But seeing as there are so many possibilities, the interference is part of nature ;)
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That's what I was thinking ;D
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If I would create a symbol, I don't know for what purpose it should be made (I really don't want 'anything').

Could a symbol be created with the intention of experience, let's say, bliss?
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I had trouble with this at the first too. I asked a similar question. At that time, the answer was something to the effect that the Genius is not really for states of being. But we have progressed since then, so it will be interesting to see what the answer is now

Just remember, we are doing these exercises to learn HOW we perceive. Not so much for things. At this point in our understanding, I'd guess it's easier for us to learn how we perceive ordinary things in our lives rather that states of being.

We'll see though.
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Part of me wants it to be figured out organically.

The other part of me knows that the organisms don't want to wait around for it that long :)
 Quoting: Chaol


Isn't this organic?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8047570


Organic with some interference on my part, yes.

But seeing as there are so many possibilities, the interference is part of nature ;)
 Quoting: Chaol


That's what I was thinking ;D
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I don't see why it's considered interference. And, I don't see how interference is part of nature!

Edit: I'm here willingly, so how is it interference?

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To the NATO gentleman reading this forum...

What does Ecsys have to do with NATO? Looking to trade goods? I'm stumped.
 Quoting: Chaol


This has been a very interesting day.

Woot!
 Quoting: Unit3


Indeed. Every few weeks we get DOD other government and NGO types on their break time (or whatever) but NATO-behind-proxy is kind of strange. Pretending they are part of a school system is an even more interesting way of browsing the internet.
 Quoting: Chaol


They want to assist us achieve success in our joint Genius exercise, they have a few trillion to spare...
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Chaol could you please give some feedback on how to continue this along or make it better, all help is deeply appreciated...
I will follow your every suggestion and not give up till I make this relative for us all.

Symbol: straw in wrapper with yellow pipe cleaner twisted around it, with a moon pie wrapper taped around the middle with scotch tape, and a wrapper of a quarter roll taped around the top with duct tape.

Represents: bank notification that 450 million US dollars has been transferred to 9 other accounts. With each receiving 50 million dollars.

Possibility: My windowsill

Logic: will tap my cats on their right ears with symbol everytime they jump onto my windowsill.

Interaction: sharing symbol with others on forum

[link to farm8.staticflickr.com]


What do you think Chaol?
 Quoting: DDHR 20177375


The symbol seems fine.

Possibility (space) seems fine. (But how much a part of your perspective is your windowsill? And how often will your symbol use it?)

Logic seems fine.

For interaction, just keep in mind that your symbol is probably not interacting that much with your perspective. It need not be major interaction, but perhaps just a little more. Think, "What most comprises my perspective?". And allow the symbol to interact with it.

The symbol is a bridge between one perspective and the next, using space (possibility) to interact with the new perspective and focused in it using logic.

hope this helps :)
 Quoting: Chaol


How about this:

Symbol = same

possibility= my laptop crease (where it folds together)

Logic = rub three times when turning on computer, flick when changing websites, and flip when internet crashes.

interaction = subconscious

What most compromises my perspective would have to be my subconscious? Since my perspective encompasses everything, and everything not encompassed in my conscious thought is within my subconscious?


To uncover in my current perspective I have to change the relationships. If I let my subconscious change the value of those relationships, then I can only manipulate its representation (which I did by representing the banking notification as my symbol)

By letting the symbol interact with my subconscious, it should utilize the least energy, as my subconscious has a direct tap to eternal consciousness and can best bridge to the appropriate perspective.

So then is all that is left to focus on the values that surround the perspective, or let my subconscious just deliver the next step without consciously trying to force or discover that meaning?


Am I way off here Chaol?
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To the NATO gentleman reading this forum...

What does Ecsys have to do with NATO? Looking to trade goods? I'm stumped.
 Quoting: Chaol


This has been a very interesting day.

Woot!
 Quoting: Unit3


Indeed. Every few weeks we get DOD other government and NGO types on their break time (or whatever) but NATO-behind-proxy is kind of strange. Pretending they are part of a school system is an even more interesting way of browsing the internet.
 Quoting: Chaol





So, I didn't think this would be in your perspective. cool2
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Okay. Let me ask this then. I go to a branch where everybody uses the drive-through and no customers are ever inside. Can I go inside and ask the tellers to use my lucky pen which I can paint a logo on?

Or, would a symbol I create (that is whimsical and no definition of anything) that's attached to my bankbook, which I take into the bank, work better?
 Quoting: Unit3


Then what would your Possibility (space) be?

Also, a logo'd pen may not change the value of the pen much.
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If I would create a symbol, I don't know for what purpose it should be made (I really don't want 'anything').

Could a symbol be created with the intention of experience, let's say, bliss?
 Quoting: Gespenst


It's more about new perspective than achieving things.

If you can define bliss in practical terms, sure :)

How would "bliss" exist in your reality in a way that can be measured somehow?
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I don't see why it's considered interference. And, I don't see how interference is part of nature!

Edit: I'm here willingly, so how is it interference?
 Quoting: Unit3


"interference on my part" meaning that I am changing some of the values from my end.

re-programming, I suppose it could be said.
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Chaol could you please give some feedback on how to continue this along or make it better, all help is deeply appreciated...
I will follow your every suggestion and not give up till I make this relative for us all.

Symbol: straw in wrapper with yellow pipe cleaner twisted around it, with a moon pie wrapper taped around the middle with scotch tape, and a wrapper of a quarter roll taped around the top with duct tape.

Represents: bank notification that 450 million US dollars has been transferred to 9 other accounts. With each receiving 50 million dollars.

Possibility: My windowsill

Logic: will tap my cats on their right ears with symbol everytime they jump onto my windowsill.

Interaction: sharing symbol with others on forum

[link to farm8.staticflickr.com]


What do you think Chaol?
 Quoting: DDHR 20177375


The symbol seems fine.

Possibility (space) seems fine. (But how much a part of your perspective is your windowsill? And how often will your symbol use it?)

Logic seems fine.

For interaction, just keep in mind that your symbol is probably not interacting that much with your perspective. It need not be major interaction, but perhaps just a little more. Think, "What most comprises my perspective?". And allow the symbol to interact with it.

The symbol is a bridge between one perspective and the next, using space (possibility) to interact with the new perspective and focused in it using logic.

hope this helps :)
 Quoting: Chaol


How about this:

Symbol = same

possibility= my laptop crease (where it folds together)

Logic = rub three times when turning on computer, flick when changing websites, and flip when internet crashes.

interaction = subconscious

What most compromises my perspective would have to be my subconscious? Since my perspective encompasses everything, and everything not encompassed in my conscious thought is within my subconscious?


To uncover in my current perspective I have to change the relationships. If I let my subconscious change the value of those relationships, then I can only manipulate its representation (which I did by representing the banking notification as my symbol)

By letting the symbol interact with my subconscious, it should utilize the least energy, as my subconscious has a direct tap to eternal consciousness and can best bridge to the appropriate perspective.

So then is all that is left to focus on the values that surround the perspective, or let my subconscious just deliver the next step without consciously trying to force or discover that meaning?


Am I way off here Chaol?
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That's quite a 'small' space. Are you sure you want your Possibility to be that?

Also, how is your sub-consciousness going to interact? By nature, we would not really know how so this is much more difficult to define.

Is your symbol using the space (and according to your rules) to interact?
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This has been a very interesting day.

Woot!
 Quoting: Unit3


Indeed. Every few weeks we get DOD other government and NGO types on their break time (or whatever) but NATO-behind-proxy is kind of strange. Pretending they are part of a school system is an even more interesting way of browsing the internet.
 Quoting: Chaol


So, I didn't think this would be in your perspective. cool2
 Quoting: curve


There are a number of things in my perspective ;)
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Symbol = same

possibility = my bed

Logic = Will flick upon moving on or off bed. Will rub before bed

interaction = tell symbol my dreams upon waking


Any better?
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What I'd like to ask is,

If I am working with the Genius, with a specific aim in mind, is there any point in changing it regularly, as with the Expanded Perspective Exercise, Chaol?

So, for example, I've got a newly made SYMBOL,
the POSSIBILITY is it's attached to my mobile,
the INTERACTION is with all the people I've got numbers for, and the LOGIC is I sniff my symbol (! - it's got a bit of incense in it) each time I turn my phone on

what I'm wondering is, is there a benefit to in a couple of days, keeping the SYMBOL and changing the other elements?
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If I would create a symbol, I don't know for what purpose it should be made (I really don't want 'anything').

Could a symbol be created with the intention of experience, let's say, bliss?
 Quoting: Gespenst


It's more about new perspective than achieving things.

If you can define bliss in practical terms, sure :)

How would "bliss" exist in your reality in a way that can be measured somehow?
 Quoting: Chaol


I don't know scratching
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And a hand full of people posting? Why aren't the rest of you people posting? Tell us hi. Tell us you want to learn. Tell us when you can help us. Or not! cool2

 Quoting: Unit3

I can vouch for this, your world really expands when you post and get involved.

Give it a try.
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Also, there's lots of stuff going on right now in relation to the strange 17 & 18-19 nexus. I've mostly 'organized' it but am having a bit of difficulty coming up with a strategy to keep your world from experiencing the whole witchcraft episode "again" as I don't think it would be that entertaining (although, really, this would be the first time - all in past/future is a value in the current perspective).

Carry on!
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Hows the organisation going?
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Hi

this is at once a fascinating and baffling thread to me, a completely different way to view "reality" disturbing and exciting all at the same time

"Bat Lady"

Government agents

and a Bentley!

perhaps interaction with this thread will make understanding it "grocking" it more relative to my experience
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Hi

this is at once a fascinating and baffling thread to me, a completely different way to view "reality" disturbing and exciting all at the same time

"Bat Lady"

Government agents

and a Bentley!

perhaps interaction with this thread will make understanding it "grocking" it more relative to my experience
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Keep a dream log, you will soon realise we haven't all lost our mind :)
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If I would create a symbol, I don't know for what purpose it should be made (I really don't want 'anything').

Could a symbol be created with the intention of experience, let's say, bliss?
 Quoting: Gespenst




I had trouble with this at the first too. I asked a similar question. At that time, the answer was something to the effect that the Genius is not really for states of being. But we have progressed since then, so it will be interesting to see what the answer is now

Just remember, we are doing these exercises to learn HOW we perceive. Not so much for things. At this point in our understanding, I'd guess it's easier for us to learn how we perceive ordinary things in our lives rather that states of being.

We'll see though.
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You are right... Better start with something more 'easy' to achieve.
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If I would create a symbol, I don't know for what purpose it should be made (I really don't want 'anything').

Could a symbol be created with the intention of experience, let's say, bliss?
 Quoting: Gespenst




I had trouble with this at the first too. I asked a similar question. At that time, the answer was something to the effect that the Genius is not really for states of being. But we have progressed since then, so it will be interesting to see what the answer is now

Just remember, we are doing these exercises to learn HOW we perceive. Not so much for things. At this point in our understanding, I'd guess it's easier for us to learn how we perceive ordinary things in our lives rather that states of being.

We'll see though.
 Quoting: Unit3


You are right... Better start with something more 'easy' to achieve.
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Gespenst. Can you please make me a symbol and go and place it in the clubhouse of the nearest golf course. You'll know when you see me on the PGA Tour. Thanks.

If any of you are interested in participating you are welcome to do the same.
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Hi,

I have been reading Chaol's threads for a few months, but until now did not feel like joining it. It's funny that just after I made up my mind a few weeks ago to join anyway, some of you mentioned how many people are reading this thread, but only a handful of them are actively contributing. So here is one of the silent readers...

As an engineer, I have a rather logical mindset and I am usually pretty critical of things that are discussed on GLP. I actually find it very weird that I ended up on a site that discusses UFOs, crop circles and those kind of stuffs. To be honest this is the first thread that I have not closed right after reading the first few posts.

Anyway the main reason why I am here is because I believe there really is some logic in the Genius that Chaol introduced here and on the ecsys website.

As I have been reading this thread, I could recall quite a few events in my life that most probably happened, because I used a technique similar to the Genius. Although that time I did that without knowing it, now I am willing to do it consciously.

For example when I was a young boy I always wanted a scooter (not the one for kids, but the motorbike). But of course I did not have the money for it. All I could do is to daydream about having it. Actually not the event of getting it, but similar to Chaol's case with the Bentley, I tried to experience with my mind's eye how it feels when I make the scooter stop with my shoes that had red led lights on the back of its sole (maybe you remember those kind of cheap shoes from the beginning of 90's).
Not long after, probably the upcoming summer, my two brothers and me decided to put together our savings and bought a pretty old scooter that we renovated. And then I rode that scooter for real and made it stop by putting my feet on the ground. It felt just like I dreamed about it.

Then a number of years later when I had a pretty hard examination at the university I studied a lot, but the enormous amount of thesis and proofs were not easy at all to understand. At first I always felt like it was not doable, but after I finished studying late in the night I closed my eyes and tried to figure out how it would feel like when I receive an A grade and how the professor would sign my academic record book. And 99% of the time when I did that, I got exactly the grade I expected. When I did not do it (mostly in my earlier years), I had used to get really bad grades, sometimes even failing the exams. But that's probably more than enough of me and my past.

The question that I have not found yet in this thread, and I really wonder why it has not occurred to anyone yet, is WHY does the Genius work? On ecsys website Chaol nicely describes what and how to do to change your perspective (create symbol, create surrounding logic, and allow possibility for interaction, then interact), but there is not a single word about the WHY? Probably it's just me, but as an engineer, I really want to know why things work. I understand, Chaol, that you told us, it is not important why it works, as long as it works, but still it has really been bugging me recently.

So after philosophizing about what I read here and some other websites, I came up with an answer for the following questions: 'Why does the Genius work? Why can it alter our perspective and thus our "reality"?'
I am sure I have not found the ultimate answer for life, universe and everything right away, but I would be glad if you could add your own thoughts or maybe disprove my thesis.

Why does Genius work?

As Chaol has already pointed out, we perceive what takes the least energy to perceive. This is one fact I will use later. Another important aspect is that our subconscious mind never tries to disprove our beliefs, or in other words it will never ever question what our conscious mind tells it, it accepts everything we put into it. An example: if someone thinks that all other people hate them and noone ever wants to talk to them, he/she will perceive that not a single person will talk to him/her. So the experience will match his/her beliefs.

Now, if we consider that when we create a symbol, which is a representation of something, and that symbol has NO PREATTACHED MEANING, then our subsonscious mind will accept that symbol as is. It will not try to make a difference between the actual thing and the representation of that thing, AKA our symbol.

Now we begin to create rules around that symbol. Eg. we want a car, and our symbol is an abstract art made from papier mache or whatever. It really does not matter. Through the rules we allow periodic interaction with the symbol, which (at least for our subconscious mind) is the very same thing as the actual thing it represents.

We also allow possibility for it, eg. put that papier mache to a car dealer, etc.

And here comes the tricky part: according to our conscious mind the car must exist, otherwise we would find it completely illogical to be able to interact with it. This is because we are used to the fact that we can touch, interact with only those stuffs that exist in our reality.
Fortunately the subconscious mind will help us out, because it is so much smarter than what we actually think it is: since we perceive what is easiest to perceive, it will begin to make up a story to make it believable for us that the desired, currently (at least logically) not existing car actually does exist. And in this case the easiest way to perceive (have relationship with, interact with, etc.) something which does not exist yet but you already interact with, is if it actually exists in your perspective, so it is exactly what will happen.

I think that this method not only works for the future, but as someone mentioned earlier, this can even work backwards in time: the subconscious mind might even make up a story that we had a forgotten bank account that holds just enough money to buy that car. It really does not matter how the goal is achieved, the subconscious mind will always find a way to make a believable story for you.

By the way, I am also in for a new car: for the last couple of months I have been daydreaming about a nice, big 7 seater car, but since I already have a nice, comfortable, reliable car, it was just not logical to get another, big one. We have two children, and although I wanted, my wife did not want a third child.
But then this summer I started reading this thread and got to know the Genius, and I created a symbol for that car finally + possibility + rules + interaction, etc. Now I feel that my subconscious mind must have started working on a believable story about why I need that bigger, 7 seater car: a few weeks ago it turned out that my wife is expecting our third child. I was really happy, I must say :)
But then I tried to put a third baby seat to the back of our car, and in spite of all my efforts, it just could not fit even if changing the order of the kid's seats.
I believe this must be a part of the story that my subconscious mind has already come up with. Now it only needs to find out how to actually get that new car, as first our current car needs to be sold at a good price, and we almost instantly need to get that new car otherwise the four of us can't go anywhere. What makes it a little harder, is that I don't know yet how exactly will I get the missing $10.000. But I am pretty sure this isn't much of a problem for the subconscious mind :)

And the reason why our symbol that we use for the Genius should have NO or as little PREATTACHED MEANING as possible, is because then our subconscious mind will parallelly also make up another story to make that other thing (which was also represented by the symbol) exist too, that we probably did not event want to exist.
Moreover, if we are not sure what other things it might represent besides what we intended, we might attract some unknown, sometimes nasty bad stuff to us and end up with a reality that we are not comfortable with at all.

Sorry for the mistakes in language and the typos, but it is already late at night here and unfortunately English is not my native language (and neither is EC :)). I would really appreciate any comments on my thoughts above.

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If I would create a symbol, I don't know for what purpose it should be made (I really don't want 'anything').

Could a symbol be created with the intention of experience, let's say, bliss?
 Quoting: Gespenst




I had trouble with this at the first too. I asked a similar question. At that time, the answer was something to the effect that the Genius is not really for states of being. But we have progressed since then, so it will be interesting to see what the answer is now

Just remember, we are doing these exercises to learn HOW we perceive. Not so much for things. At this point in our understanding, I'd guess it's easier for us to learn how we perceive ordinary things in our lives rather that states of being.

We'll see though.
 Quoting: Unit3


You are right... Better start with something more 'easy' to achieve.
 Quoting: Gespenst


Gespenst. Can you please make me a symbol and go and place it in the clubhouse of the nearest golf course. You'll know when you see me on the PGA Tour. Thanks.

If any of you are interested in participating you are welcome to do the same.
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This is going to be hard, since golf isn't very popular here. But I'll try.
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Madcaddy, thanks for sharing your perspective. No need to apologize for your English, that's one well written piece. Am glad you finally decided to become active on this thread.

Your Genius explanation is helping me clarify what we are being taught here. Since we decided on the joint exercise, and more and more people ask questions and share ideas, I am gaining a whole new understanding of the material.

Please, keep contributing, and good luck on the car.
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UMMMM, wow! I just found a completely unexpected $2,130 in bank!!! And I havn't even finished, setting up my end of the Genius exercise yet.
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Madcaddy, thanks for sharing your perspective. No need to apologize for your English, that's one well written piece. Am glad you finally decided to become active on this thread.

Your Genius explanation is helping me clarify what we are being taught here. Since we decided on the joint exercise, and more and more people ask questions and share ideas, I am gaining a whole new understanding of the material.

Please, keep contributing, and good luck on the car.
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Agree :) Thanks!
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UMMMM, wow! I just found a completely unexpected $2,130 in bank!!! And I havn't even finished, setting up my end of the Genius exercise yet.
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UMMMM, wow! I just found a completely unexpected $2,130 in bank!!! And I havn't even finished, setting up my end of the Genius exercise yet.
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