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Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

 
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Abundant resources available for all willing and capable to improve themselves and the Planet is necessary

My take on my Consciousness has prevented me from preparing for myself

I am very young, I will keep trying

Thank you, Original Poster
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Just go with the flow. No need to force it. We'll see how it plays out.
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I sort of hoped I'd find a likewise surprise as curve had in my bank account this morning, but I was not so lucky.
We are hitting rock bottom and have to live from 200 euros this entire month; even renting a car transporter to get it in my garage, plus the extra fuel costs we cannot afford.

So this afternoon I'll call the seller to say we like it, we think it is very special, but we cannot afford it at the moment.

First important thing is surviving this month.
Tuuur
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Just go with the flow. No need to force it. We'll see how it plays out.
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I sort of hoped I'd find a likewise surprise as curve had in my bank account this morning, but I was not so lucky.
We are hitting rock bottom and have to live from 200 euros this entire month; even renting a car transporter to get it in my garage, plus the extra fuel costs we cannot afford.

So this afternoon I'll call the seller to say we like it, we think it is very special, but we cannot afford it at the moment.

First important thing is surviving this month.
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Is the seller very far from you? Perhaps make friends with them, help restore the car, when the owner passes (soon?) they may leave it to you... Hmm, although that sounds logical... I feel insensitive.
Consider the possibility that you order yourself into being from chaos... You do this, always, in all ways. This "ordering" has resulted in the possibilities you're experiencing, here, now. In each experience you've ever had, more and more of "this" reality is generated logically from your previous experience. Your observation of this unfolding of order and chaos is reality.
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Just go with the flow. No need to force it. We'll see how it plays out.
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I sort of hoped I'd find a likewise surprise as curve had in my bank account this morning, but I was not so lucky.
We are hitting rock bottom and have to live from 200 euros this entire month; even renting a car transporter to get it in my garage, plus the extra fuel costs we cannot afford.

So this afternoon I'll call the seller to say we like it, we think it is very special, but we cannot afford it at the moment.

First important thing is surviving this month.
 Quoting: tuuuuur


Is the seller very far from you? Perhaps make friends with them, help restore the car, when the owner passes (soon?) they may leave it to you... Hmm, although that sounds logical... I feel insensitive.
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


Very far, 320 kms or a 3.5 hour's drive from where I live. He has to move this car out of its current storage space before the end of the year.
Tuuur
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Just go with the flow. No need to force it. We'll see how it plays out.
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I sort of hoped I'd find a likewise surprise as curve had in my bank account this morning, but I was not so lucky.
We are hitting rock bottom and have to live from 200 euros this entire month; even renting a car transporter to get it in my garage, plus the extra fuel costs we cannot afford.

So this afternoon I'll call the seller to say we like it, we think it is very special, but we cannot afford it at the moment.

First important thing is surviving this month.
 Quoting: tuuuuur


Mindset.

It is all in your mind.

Who made the rules and laws to say you can't have the car as well as 'survive' this month.

As long as you think it is impossible it always is.

See the video a few pages back, it will really help you.
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Just go with the flow. No need to force it. We'll see how it plays out.
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I sort of hoped I'd find a likewise surprise as curve had in my bank account this morning, but I was not so lucky.
We are hitting rock bottom and have to live from 200 euros this entire month; even renting a car transporter to get it in my garage, plus the extra fuel costs we cannot afford.

So this afternoon I'll call the seller to say we like it, we think it is very special, but we cannot afford it at the moment.

First important thing is surviving this month.
 Quoting: tuuuuur


Is the seller very far from you? Perhaps make friends with them, help restore the car, when the owner passes (soon?) they may leave it to you... Hmm, although that sounds logical... I feel insensitive.
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


Very far, 320 kms or a 3.5 hour's drive from where I live. He has to move this car out of its current storage space before the end of the year.
 Quoting: tuuuuur


I do know one thing, Chaol reminded us that resisting something prevents it from changing into your desired experience. Maybe focusing on all the ways it can't happen is keeping it less relative?

Perhaps follow the trend in the past few pages and do some visualization exercises? Imagine yourself driving (the restored car) with your family to a vacation spot that normally requires a lot of wealth? Maybe imagine you all in very expensive clothing, the feel of the fabric against your skin, the push back from the gas pedal as you accelerate and the sensation of just knowing everything turned out better than expected (maybe the smile on your face during that moment of realization and the over all feel of your family loving/enjoying their life)? Maybe even imagine the look on your wife's face as she finds out you have it and it didn't cost you a thing, imagine how that'd make you feel etc??

I don't know Tuuuuur, I've felt like you're almost there but if you read back through your last ten or so posts, you can see a continuum ranging from highly optimistic dreamer to (more currently) defeated realist.

hf
Consider the possibility that you order yourself into being from chaos... You do this, always, in all ways. This "ordering" has resulted in the possibilities you're experiencing, here, now. In each experience you've ever had, more and more of "this" reality is generated logically from your previous experience. Your observation of this unfolding of order and chaos is reality.
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I sort of hoped I'd find a likewise surprise as curve had in my bank account this morning, but I was not so lucky.
We are hitting rock bottom and have to live from 200 euros this entire month; even renting a car transporter to get it in my garage, plus the extra fuel costs we cannot afford.

So this afternoon I'll call the seller to say we like it, we think it is very special, but we cannot afford it at the moment.

First important thing is surviving this month.
 Quoting: tuuuuur


Is the seller very far from you? Perhaps make friends with them, help restore the car, when the owner passes (soon?) they may leave it to you... Hmm, although that sounds logical... I feel insensitive.
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


Very far, 320 kms or a 3.5 hour's drive from where I live. He has to move this car out of its current storage space before the end of the year.
 Quoting: tuuuuur


I do know one thing, Chaol reminded us that resisting something prevents it from changing into your desired experience. Maybe focusing on all the ways it can't happen is keeping it less relative?

Perhaps follow the trend in the past few pages and do some visualization exercises? Imagine yourself driving (the restored car) with your family to a vacation spot that normally requires a lot of wealth? Maybe imagine you all in very expensive clothing, the feel of the fabric against your skin, the push back from the gas pedal as you accelerate and the sensation of just knowing everything turned out better than expected (maybe the smile on your face during that moment of realization and the over all feel of your family loving/enjoying their life)? Maybe even imagine the look on your wife's face as she finds out you have it and it didn't cost you a thing, imagine how that'd make you feel etc??
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


That's what I have been doing the last week... went pretty good, I could really feel the seats, steering wheel, the surface of the finished car, driving in France...

I don't know Tuuuuur, I've felt like you're almost there but if you read back through your last ten or so posts, you can see a continuum ranging from highly optimistic dreamer to (more currently) defeated realist.

hf
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True, but this being broke just feels like a huge blow to me.
Thanks for the kind remarks!

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I do not understand the desire for new cars and piles of money. I jwant to be able to oob and lucid dream as easily I daydream and fall asleep.
Consider the possibility that you order yourself into being from chaos... You do this, always, in all ways. This "ordering" has resulted in the possibilities you're experiencing, here, now. In each experience you've ever had, more and more of "this" reality is generated logically from your previous experience. Your observation of this unfolding of order and chaos is reality.
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I do not understand the desire for new cars and piles of money. I jwant to be able to oob and lucid dream as easily I daydream and fall asleep.
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hf
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I do not understand the desire for new cars and piles of money. I jwant to be able to oob and lucid dream as easily I daydream and fall asleep.
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There is no accounting for taste, I guess.
When I was a little kid, I used to be daydreaming about being able to teleport to anywhere whenever I wanted. But I think a bigger car is more relevant to me now. And this way I could go to almost anywhere, almost whenever I want with my whole family. :)

I think it may be much easier to perceive physical things, like a car, or a lot of money on a bank account, because we can see examples for those around us, so our conscious mind accepts it more easily. While I have yet to see anyone who teleports at will on a daily basis, I have already seen quite a few families with nice, big cars, and people with decent wealth. I am not saying OOB is impossible though - I only think (at least for me) OOB would be too big a step at first and possibly a little scary experience, too. But feel free to experiment and please share your results:)

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I do not understand the desire for new cars and piles of money. I jwant to be able to oob and lucid dream as easily I daydream and fall asleep.
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Tell me how to create a Genius map for this and I'll do it. The desire is not so much for things, it's to learn HOW we create our perspective.

Edit: And once we learn how we create our perceptions, would oob and lucid dreaming be relevant any more? My favorite quote:

"It's all your perception. If some of your perceptions are good while others are bad, then it is difficult to see your reality as a single perspective."

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Awesome you've been posting this long. I'm sorry I didn't recognize you. At one time, I tried to keep track of the AC's. I put wrote their ID number and some details in a pad, but I gave up. Maybe I'll try again. ;o)
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All good. I've been traveling quite a lot lately, so my IP has changed/been changing :)
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Aha! Have you considered a tag line with your posts to help us identify you? Or, do you prefer the anonymity?
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I do not understand the desire for new cars and piles of money. I jwant to be able to oob and lucid dream as easily I daydream and fall asleep.
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda

There is no accounting for taste, I guess.
When I was a little kid, I used to be daydreaming about being able to teleport to anywhere whenever I wanted. But I think a bigger car is more relevant to me now. And this way I could go to almost anywhere, almost whenever I want with my whole family. :)

I think it may be much easier to perceive physical things, like a car, or a lot of money on a bank account, because we can see examples for those around us, so our conscious mind accepts it more easily. While I have yet to see anyone who teleports at will on a daily basis, I have already seen quite a few families with nice, big cars, and people with decent wealth. I am not saying OOB is impossible though - I only think (at least for me) OOB would be too big a step at first and possibly a little scary experience, too. But feel free to experiment and please share your results:)
 Quoting: madcaddy


I do oob via meditation and I am pretty good at wild, but... id like to not spend the 15-45 min to get oob via meditation and it would be awesome to lucid dream without having to first wake from a dream to return to it lucid.

I do see where you're coming from. I suppose, even our goals with ecsys are dependent on what is most relative.
hf
Consider the possibility that you order yourself into being from chaos... You do this, always, in all ways. This "ordering" has resulted in the possibilities you're experiencing, here, now. In each experience you've ever had, more and more of "this" reality is generated logically from your previous experience. Your observation of this unfolding of order and chaos is reality.
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I do not understand the desire for new cars and piles of money. I jwant to be able to oob and lucid dream as easily I daydream and fall asleep.
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda





Tell me how to create a Genius map for this and I'll do it. The desire is not so much for things, it's to learn HOW we create our perspective.

Edit: And once we learn how we create our perceptions, would oob and lucid dreaming be relevant any more? My favorite quote:

"It's all your perception. If some of your perceptions are good while others are bad, then it is difficult to see your reality as a single perspective."
 Quoting: Unit3


Yes, it is all perspective. Lucid dreaming and oob are just alternative perspectives.

I see "this" reality as my (personal) reality of origin. The other realms I've experienced are variants from this one. But, they all appear dependent on this one as this is the one in which my ability to perceive began. My lense to the "outerworld" was crafted here.

Now, if I could just oob/ld as easily as recalling my phone number... I'd be one happy dude.

5a

I guess on top of that, I'd like to interact more with ghosts/shadows. I've seen two of them in the last 3 years and it'd be interesting to have the option to interact with them more, maybe have a conversation etc...

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Consider the possibility that you order yourself into being from chaos... You do this, always, in all ways. This "ordering" has resulted in the possibilities you're experiencing, here, now. In each experience you've ever had, more and more of "this" reality is generated logically from your previous experience. Your observation of this unfolding of order and chaos is reality.
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Looks very, very nice!
Will that app run on Mac or Linux as well?
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I don't know is the honest answer, hopefully someone will know if .net applications run on mac/linux?

I am sure there will be some program what allows cross compatibility and it is something I will look into in the future if no one knows how.

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The program works from my desktop and another laptop :D, currently in the stages of doing a website and a step by step tutorial.

Its going to be a really helpful tool for learning EC.
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Looks very, very nice!
Will that app run on Mac or Linux as well?
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I don't know is the honest answer, hopefully someone will know if .net applications run on mac/linux?

I am sure there will be some program what allows cross compatibility and it is something I will look into in the future if no one knows how.

Updates
The program works from my desktop and another laptop :D, currently in the stages of doing a website and a step by step tutorial.

Its going to be a really helpful tool for learning EC.
 Quoting: LeKing


yoda

Looking forward to release. Thank you LeKing.
Consider the possibility that you order yourself into being from chaos... You do this, always, in all ways. This "ordering" has resulted in the possibilities you're experiencing, here, now. In each experience you've ever had, more and more of "this" reality is generated logically from your previous experience. Your observation of this unfolding of order and chaos is reality.
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Looks very, very nice!
Will that app run on Mac or Linux as well?
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I don't know is the honest answer, hopefully someone will know if .net applications run on mac/linux?

I am sure there will be some program what allows cross compatibility and it is something I will look into in the future if no one knows how.

Updates
The program works from my desktop and another laptop :D, currently in the stages of doing a website and a step by step tutorial.

Its going to be a really helpful tool for learning EC.
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I don't think .NET will work... possibly using wine with a few tweaks.

I got a mac and a linux machine... and some Java developing experience.
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I called the seller and the deal is off... no extension to the 17th.
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Hi,

I have been reading Chaol's threads for a few months, but until now did not feel like joining it. just after I made up my mind a few weeks ago to join anyway, some of you mentioned how many people are reading this thread, but only a handful of them are actively contributing. So here is one of the silent readers...

As an engineer, I have a rather logical mindset and I am usually pretty critical of things that are discussed on GLP. I actually find it very weird that I ended up on a site that discusses UFOs, crop circles and those kind of stuffs. To be honest this is the first thread that I have not closed right after reading the first few posts.

Anyway the main reason why I am here is because I believe there really is some logic in the Genius that Chaol introduced here and on the ecsys website.

As I have been reading this thread, I could recall quite a few events in my life that most probably happened, because I used a technique similar to the Genius. Although that time I did that without knowing it, now I am willing to do it consciously.

For example when I was a young boy I always wanted a scooter (not the one for kids, but the motorbike). But of course I did not have the money for it. All I could do is to daydream about having it. Actually not the event of getting it, but similar to Chaol's case with the Bentley, I tried to experience with my mind's eye how it feels when I make the scooter stop with my shoes that had red led lights on the back of its sole (maybe you remember those kind of cheap shoes from the beginning of 90's).
Not long after, probably the upcoming summer, my two brothers and me decided to put together our savings and bought a pretty old scooter that we renovated. And then I rode that scooter for real and made it stop by putting my feet on the ground. It felt just like I dreamed about it.

Then a number of years later when I had a pretty hard examination at the university I studied a lot, but the enormous amount of thesis and proofs were not easy at all to understand. At first I always felt like it was not doable, but after I finished studying late in the night I closed my eyes and tried to figure out how it would feel like when I receive an A grade and how the professor would sign my academic record book. And 99% of the time when I did that, I got exactly the grade I expected. When I did not do it (mostly in my earlier years), I had used to get really bad grades, sometimes even failing the exams. But that's probably more than enough of me and my past.

The question that I have not found yet in this thread, and I really wonder why it has not occurred to anyone yet, is WHY does the Genius work? On ecsys website Chaol nicely describes what and how to do to change your perspective (create symbol, create surrounding logic, and allow possibility for interaction, then interact), but there is not a single word about the WHY? Probably it's just me, but as an engineer, I really want to know why things work. I understand, Chaol, that you told us, it is not important why it works, as long as it works, but still it has really been bugging me recently.

So after philosophizing about what I read here and some other websites, I came up with an answer for the following questions: 'Why does the Genius work? Why can it alter our perspective and thus our "reality"?'
I am sure I have not found the ultimate answer for life, universe and everything right away, but I would be glad if you could add your own thoughts or maybe disprove my thesis.

Why does Genius work?

As Chaol has already pointed out, we perceive what takes the least energy to perceive. This is one fact I will use later.

....................

Sorry for the mistakes in language and the typos, but it is already late at night here and unfortunately English is not my native language (and neither is EC :)). I would really appreciate any comments on my thoughts above.
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Hi madcaddy, its great to have you here. I thoroughly enjoyed reading your post. I agree with you. We hone in with the genius in a way that makes it possible for us to define our wanted destination. From the representation to the interactions and possibilities we assign to it, we can actually sit back and watch it unfold effortlessly (once we become experts at this; hopefully very soon)

Congrats on your new baby and new car on the way! Things work in funny ways don't they?
You have a good experience of using these concepts but you didn't have a definition for what you were actually doing. Now you know! I see you getting double your target of $10,000 for your car. Look how you struck gold up with two of your desires but didn't know you could get.

Keep up the good work!

I barely noticed any spelling or grammar mistakes and I wouldn't have noticed or brought this up if you hadn't mentioned it. But since you did, I'll say again that your post was great hf
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I called the seller and the deal is off... no extension to the 17th.
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That wasn't the one.
Consider the possibility that you order yourself into being from chaos... You do this, always, in all ways. This "ordering" has resulted in the possibilities you're experiencing, here, now. In each experience you've ever had, more and more of "this" reality is generated logically from your previous experience. Your observation of this unfolding of order and chaos is reality.
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Looks very, very nice!
Will that app run on Mac or Linux as well?
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I don't know is the honest answer, hopefully someone will know if .net applications run on mac/linux?

I am sure there will be some program what allows cross compatibility and it is something I will look into in the future if no one knows how.

Updates
The program works from my desktop and another laptop :D, currently in the stages of doing a website and a step by step tutorial.

Its going to be a really helpful tool for learning EC.
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Woohoo! Would I be able to access the website from my phone? My laptop has been broken for a couple of months now.

Well done again, I know you put a lot into this and I can assure you that it's greatly appreciated.

Can't wait...banana2
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Curve: thanks for the advice. I will make some 'everyday' rules for max interaction with possibility.

Tuur: thanks for the chronicle of your car pursuit thus far. It's been most educational.

Unit3: thanks for all of the input. I've learned and enjoyed a great deal from your posting.

Gestpenst: thanks for being there from way back. We'll get through eventually. There are many ways to open a perspective, my friend.

MajorMan: thanks for your input as well. You offer a view that resembles my own on the entirety of this "thing".

Whomever else is participating and/or watching: thanks for being here. It can't be done without you?
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And also....

Madcaddy: that post was awesome. Very well put. Brings much into my 'perspective'.

Jesse: I didn't forget you, bud. Thanks for allowing me to connect to this through your own journey.
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I called the seller and the deal is off... no extension to the 17th.
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Perfect, the path to your goal just got a little closer!!
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I called the seller and the deal is off... no extension to the 17th.
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Doesn't matter. You got the 17th nexus energy connected to it. Now, keep doing the exercises you feel to do. The seller can easily change his mind.
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Looks very, very nice!
Will that app run on Mac or Linux as well?
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I don't know is the honest answer, hopefully someone will know if .net applications run on mac/linux?

I am sure there will be some program what allows cross compatibility and it is something I will look into in the future if no one knows how.

Updates
The program works from my desktop and another laptop :D, currently in the stages of doing a website and a step by step tutorial.

Its going to be a really helpful tool for learning EC.
 Quoting: LeKing




Thank you so much. This is very exciting. You will be saving us years of learning. I'd say keep working the Genius the best you know how. I think the elements will all fall into place.

All the best! hf
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I do not understand the desire for new cars and piles of money. I jwant to be able to oob and lucid dream as easily I daydream and fall asleep.
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Tell me how to create a Genius map for this and I'll do it. The desire is not so much for things, it's to learn HOW we create our perspective.

Edit: And once we learn how we create our perceptions, would oob and lucid dreaming be relevant any more? My favorite quote:

"It's all your perception. If some of your perceptions are good while others are bad, then it is difficult to see your reality as a single perspective."
 Quoting: Unit3


Yes, it is all perspective. Lucid dreaming and oob are just alternative perspectives.

I see "this" reality as my (personal) reality of origin. The other realms I've experienced are variants from this one. But, they all appear dependent on this one as this is the one in which my ability to perceive began. My lense to the "outerworld" was crafted here.

Now, if I could just oob/ld as easily as recalling my phone number... I'd be one happy dude.

5a

I guess on top of that, I'd like to interact more with ghosts/shadows. I've seen two of them in the last 3 years and it'd be interesting to have the option to interact with them more, maybe have a conversation etc...
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda




Here is how I see it. Please, anyone that has input, I am open to further insight.

Past, present, oob, ld, ghosts, aliens, shadows, house, $50 million in the bank account, car, PGA golf pro, etc: ARE THE SAME THING! They come from the mind, our mind creates our perspective. It's ONE PERSPECITVE....MINE! (or yours)

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XWon, glad you are here. hf
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Okay, I just feel to post this. It's a post OP did in one of the other threads. Sorry, but I don't remember which one, LOL! Anyway, it's awesome!




The true nature of existence is that to which existence is irrelevant.

Nothing is without existence.
It is wholly experiencing your perceptions about yourself.
Existence is within nothing.
By understanding your perceptions you remember what is true.

That to which existence is irrelevant is as non-existence.
Non-existence needs not prove its imperceptible truth.
That to which existence is sought is as infinite illusion.
Illusion forgets its imperceptible truth to seem real.

Existence is like a mirror that understands no real shape.
Non-existence is like a shape that understands no mirrors.
Illusion is as looking to the mirror to think one is real.
Truth is as looking to one's self to feel what truth is.

True being cannot be perceived for the perception.
For it is without it.
The illusion of being can re-member truth.
As it is within it.

That which is seen to exist seeks only
That which makes it feel extant.
True existence is not of that which depends
But of that which nothing knows of.

The nature of existence is the experience of resistance.
Without resistance, there is only that which is true.
One can only forget that all is the same.
Re-member the source of infinity and illusions disappear.

Existence is like an ocean.
Being is like the summit of each wave.
Not resisting itself, it does as it is.
It forgets itself, and is more than it is.

The truth of oneself is irrelevant.
How does truth know otherwise.
One cannot help but to already be true.
Though one can only perceive illusion.

Existence is in formation.
Information is being.
Being is infinite.
Infinity is resisting.

Non-existence is free of form.
Everything at once.
Nothing at all.
The unformed is within the source.

Everything that exists is illusion.
Nothing-in-particular is more true.
Everything is nothing is most true.
Truth is so real it need not exist.

Resistance is fear.
Fear of truth is the only fear,
That the self would no longer exist.
The need to exist is to misunderstand true self.

Perception is you reflected without beginning or end.
Opposition is as two sides of the same spherical infinity.
Expression is how you realise your own understanding.
Truth is what is without any perception.

True unity is imperceptible.
There is nothing relative about it.
What relation is there when all things embrace.
What fear is there when love is understood.

How naked truth is.
So vulnerable nothing touches it.
So loving nothing hates it.
How clothed existence is.

What fears one when fears are loved.
What fears one when nothing resists.
The fear of one creates the separations,
And makes illusions into a reality.

The fear of unity occupies one
With thoughts that seem more real.
How real is something that withers.
Busying oneself with details keeps one ignorant of the simple truth.

One's fears are illusions of what one is.
All illusions are desires.
All desires are illusions.
For one is already everything one can be.

For one to exist one remembers the illusion.
The source cannot be understood unless one forgets its perception.
The truth is perceived when one unperceives.
The imperceptible truth is fully remembered when there is nothing.

One is all,
All is one.
One perceives not what one is not.
One perceives only what is one.

One is not one
Since there is only one.
One is nothing in particular.
One need exist only when one forgets oneself.

Love is remembrance
Of more of what one truly is.
Love for everything is realisation
That the source is without specification.

Hate is forgetting love.
It is love complexified.
These things cannot be done.
The self is only remembered.

Resisting unity, it multiplies.
Resisting hate, there is more of it.
Remember the self and love is all ready.
Forget the self and one is confused.

Existence is like knowledge;
The more of it you realise,
The more truth you have forgotten.
What truth is so precise.

Everything here
Is all resisted.
What is now not
Is resisted not.

Perception is being surrounded by mirrors.
Resist the reflection and more are perceived.
Re-member the reflection and separations will disappear.
Realise you are what you perceive yet more than what can be.

The most important thing is endless expression,
The continual illustration of remembrance.
What you are is the source of existence.
Beyond being anything in particular.

How do you perceive something to be real
If only you know of things through comparison.
What is reality or illusion in a sea of questions.
How illusory is anything that seems comparable.

One reflects itself infinitely.
All things are the same.
Separations seem as we remember and forget.
Go to the source of perceiving to remember what really is.

You experience what you re-member.
Details how you re-member the one.
The whole forgets each detail.
The end resists its own truth.

One thing exists of infinite illustration.
Something is what it does not seem to be.
One thing is not itself and not another.
Everything seems, for no thing is true.

What is understood cannot be
Without what is misunderstood.
What is created cannot be
Without what is uncreated.

Something in particular is most forgotten.
Nothing in particular is most re-membered.
All of nothing in particular.
Nothing in particular is all.

The only thing truly known
Is no thing is truly known.
The only thing certain
Is no thing is certain.

The only thing that truly exists
Is that to which existence is irrelevant.
The only thing that is true
Is that nothing is true, including this.

The imperceptible is so basic,
Existence is irrelevant to it.
When existence is perceived,
Existence is not understood.

The imperceptible is easy.
If it is made more complex,
It will confuse ignorance,
And simply not exist in it.

The perceptible is infinitely divided.
It is so desirable to misunderstand.
It is frightening to unify things,
For everything must become free.

The perceptible is infinitely complex.
It is so hard to hide the truth.
The perceptible is actually imperceptible.
Perhaps the greatest illusion of all.

One's perception is
One's belief of oneself.
How long before one believes
That what one truly is is imperceptible.

When you are the whole universe is.
Act and the universe acts with you.
Take the universe into consideration all ways.
Think of yourself as being everything that is.

Where you are the whole universe is.
Nothing outside of you, nothing within.
The infinite being is as close to your heart
As nothing is to something in particular.

Anything not perceived is that which is perceived.
Nothing need exist outside of perception.
Perception is resistance illustrated.
Everything resists truth.

The illusion of a wheel turning
Is the complexification of its central source.
Yet the source cannot be perceived.
For the source is nowhere specific.

The source of resistance is non-resistance.
What can resist what knows no resistance.
The source of all things is so true
It does not do have to do anything.

What is small is big as well.
Small cannot seem to be unless bigger is bigger.
What is big is small as well.
Big cannot seem to be unless smaller is smaller.

The source cannot perceive itself as being the source.
The source is everywhere and nowhere.
Being everything yet nothing it does not think itself
The source of all that is yet is not.

Truth is free of experience.
It is free of any event.
Truth is free of existence.
It is free of any being.

The nature of time's pace
Is to remember what is forgotten.
Remembering one by realising the infinite illustrations.
Where is one exactly but nowhere in particular.

Remembering here and now
Your source is remembered.
You are more this loving
Than any remembered thing.

If you are,
You will think yourself not to be.
If you are not,
You will think yourself to be.

If you are an illusion,
You will seem to yourself to be real.
If you are real,
You will seem to yourself to be an illusion.

Looking out, infinite illusions are seen.
Looking in, basic truth is close to feeling.
Truth cannot be explained,
Why when you are most true.

What is perceived
Is only illusion,
As what is perceived
Is wholly incomplete.

One has not to understand existence.
One can only remember what one already is.
What reason should you perceive something,
If no truth of your own is perceived.

You must be something that you are not
In order to be more of what you truly are.
You can only be more of what you truly are
By being what you do not think yourself to be.

Being is remembering that everything is already.
Doing is resisting what naturally tends to be.
Being is remembering more of what one really is.
Doing is resisting more of what one really is.

Existing,
It is not that one forgets to remember,
But existing,
One remembers to forget.

Nothing extant is complete.
Only nothing completes existence.
Without nothing, there is nothing.
Nothing is more complete than anything.

All things exist as one, at once.
Everything can be perceived from anything.
Something tries to illustrate nothing.
It endlessly tries to illustrate nothing.

Everything is perceived
As nothing is forgotten.
Nothing is remembered
As everything perceives.

Nothing is the bond that holds all things together.
Without nothing, the illusion of things cannot be.
All things are illusions that forget what is true.
Within nothing there seems to be something.

How can one think of everything at once
From a changing perception.
How can one perceive nothing at once
From any perception.

One can remember oneself as the source
By perceiving freely,
By thinking without resistance,
And being one self.

Everything that exists has the single purpose
Of resisting what is true by seeking an endlessness.
Remembering the source of existence,
The infinite distraction is no longer needed.

What makes you feel like you are
Makes you forget what you are.
What seems to exist from without
Is not remembered from within.

How can two things exist in an infinite universe.
How can anything finite exist in any universe.
How can a source exist anywhere.
How can something really be the ultimate source.

To perceive once your own perception.
Is to remember your self as the source of existence.
To think once your own thoughts.
Is to remember your self as the cause of being.

In one perception
Is the entire universe.
In each moment
It is perceived anew.

To want is to ignore everything one already is.
What one cannot possess is nothing.
Everything one perceives is one's already.
Nothing can all ways be forgotten.

Nothing is easy to forget.
Something is easy to remember.
Nothing is difficult to remember.
Something is difficult to forget.

Something that can be attained
Is not worth attaining.
The illusions exhaust one infinitely.
The illusion is not what it seems to be.

Remembering your inherent value,
There is nothing more valuable.
The only thing that can be done
Is remember or forget the truth.

Nothing is the most difficult to remember,
As it requires no effort.
Nothing in particular is the most difficult to be,
As it requires no action.

Creating something is easy,
As it only requires forgetting unity.
Creating something in particular is easy,
As it requires forgetting inherent wholeness.

In everything you do,
Its opposite you also do.
In everything you say,
Its opposite you also say.

In everything that you feel,
Its opposite you also feel.
In everything that you are,
Its opposite you also are.

By one thing,
All things are.
Everything in one thing.
One thing in everything.

What does the source of existence matter.
Why should anything have a purpose.
What would be the purpose of the purpose.
Why should the truth be remembered.

All things come from the nothing all things really are.
The truest thing is the least resistant to everything.
The least resistant thing is most the source of existence.
The source of existence resists not anything.

One can only perceive one's thought.
One can only experience one's self.
One can only hate what one is.
One can only love what one is.

Remember one, sixty in one,
Thirty in two, twenty in three,
Fifteen in four, twelve in five.
All things equal in whole and in part.

The more basic one is,
The less resistant everything is.
In simplicity there is more abundance,
In complexity there is more resistance.

You are more what you are unaware of
Than that which you seem to be aware.
Something is more of what nothing is
Than what something seems most to be.

Doing is forgetting
That you are.
Being is remembering
That you are.

The more you resist something
The more you are already
Affected by what you resist,
And the more you are of what you resist.

What you perceive yourself
To be
Is what you perceive the imperceptible
To be.

If any thing was complete in perception,
All things would be perceived the same.
When any thing is complete in perception,
Nothing is misunderstood.

You consider your self as you consider others.
You love your self as you love others.
You remember your self as you remember others.
The only the truth is of what you are.

When anything is done to the last
The same is done to the first.
For infinity is where you are;
The source is everywhere and nowhere in particular.

Everything is the source
Of everything.
Nothing is the source
Of nothing.

Everything is nothing specific.
Nothing is everything specific.
What anything is is nothing.
Nothing is what is is not.

Only when one is vulnerable
Can one be open to the source.
Only when one forgets beliefs
Can one remember what is true.

Think what is not thought.
Feel what is not felt.
See what is not seen.
To understand what is true.

We can only really perceive something
By perceiving what it seems not to be.
We can only really understand something
By understanding what it seems not to be.

Everything is in the whole
Of your perception this moment.
Nothing is not what you are.
Nothing knows no existence.

When the truth is realised
It is no longer true.
When the imperceptible is perceived
It is no longer imperceptible.

Nothing is true.
Nothing is false.
Nothing is perceptible.
Nothing is imperceptible.

What is perceived is
How you remember your self.
All things perceived
Is you in complete.

The only thing that can be seen is nothing.
The only thing that can be thought is nothing.
The only thing that can be done is nothing.
With nothing nothing is done not.

Everything perceived
Is nothing illustrated.
The only perception there is
Is the misunderstanding of truth.

One perceives not
That which perceives not.
One perceives only illusion
That truth does not remember.

Loving another,
Another must love.
Doing something,
Something must do.

One does not perceive,
But believe that one does.
How sleepy perceptions are
On dense clouds of illusion.

Things only seem different
As existence is not wholly perceived.
Existence only seems to be real
As things seem wholly different.

Truth is you without the perception of you.
Truth is you without the misunderstanding of you.
Illusion is the misunderstanding of truth.
Illusion is needed to perceive existence.

One remembers the whole of existence
As one remembers nothing in particular.
One remembers the whole of oneself
As one forgets the endless details.

To embrace that not you
Is to remember yourself.
To love that which hates
Is to embrace your being.

The more something is resisted,
The more it will be perceived.
All things are the same one.
Something cannot be forgotten.

Each thing resists
What it is truly.
What each thing truly is
Is nothing in particular.

As everything is resisted
Nothing is truly resisted.
As everything is perceived
Nothing is truly perceived.

All desires are fears.
All fears are desires.
Desires know no existence.
Existence knows only fear.

Whatever one resists, exists.
Whatever exists, one resists.
Whatever exists not is one all ready.
Whatever one resists not needs not exist.

Big is small.
Small is big.
The opposite validates the other's existence.
The other's existence validates the opposite.

How old is time to itself.
How big is space to itself.
How you are you to yourself.
How infinite is infinity to itself.

The perception of nothing
Is why perceptions are illusions.
Nothing is wholly independent
Of the infinite perceptions.

All is less than a single thought.
One is all ways infinite.
Nothing understands it.
Something misunderstands it.

The less one perceives,
The more one remembers oneself.
The less one perceives,
The more one remembers all to be one.

The origin of something
Is the perception of something.
The truth of something
Is that which is not perceived.

The more you fear the truth
The more you seek to validate your existence.
The more you fear your self
The more you seek others for your own truths.

As the source of existence is forgotten,
Its simplicity seems to be complex.
As the source of existence is remembered,
Its complexity seems to be simple.

One seems to exist
As one remembers what one really is.
As one remembers what one really is,
One needs not exist.

If the truth of you were perceptible,
Perceptions would change not.
If the truth of you were imperceptible,
You would remember it not.

Perceive nothing in particular,
And all things are perceived.
Remember this the source,
And all is remembered.

All things are true,
Nothing is most true.
Perceive something in particular
And truth is forgotten.

The illusion is perceived.
The truth is not perceived.
Everything is the illusion.
Nothing is the truth.

Something cannot ever truly be exact.
Something is not what it seems to be.
Anything is really nothing in particular.
Nothing is really anything in particular.

That which does not see for itself is blind yet sees all.
That which lives not for itself is immortal yet eternal.
That which acts not for itself is nowhere yet everywhere.
That which accepts everything is everything yet nothing.

To resist is to remember not that one is everything.
To desire is to remember not that one already possesses.
To act is to remember not all things are all ready.
To think is to remember not the thought that is there.

By knowing, wanting, thinking, or acting not,
The truth is near perception.
By acting, thinking, wanting, or knowing,
Are illusions near perception.

Being is the imperceptible.
Being not is the perceptible.
All is the imperceptible illusion.
Nothing is the perceptible truth.

The truth is imperceptible.
One is true as one does not realise it.
The truth sees nothing in particular.
Nothing in particular perceives not truth.

Remember the source is complete.
Remember the source is true.
Remember the source is forgotten.
Remember the source is what you are.

Everything exists not in completion
If not for your complete existence.
The more you remember your self,
The more complete everything is.

For something to be true,
Its opposite is also true.
For an illusion to be,
All things must be illusory.

Around every source
Everything is found.
Within every center
The source is nothing.

Nothing is extant if it is not.
Nothing is true if it is extant.
Everything is extant if it is not.
Everything is true if it is not.

Something is truly
Nothing in particular.
Nothing is truly
Everything that seems.

Truth is remembered not
When beliefs know perceptions.
Illusions are forgotten not
When something is perceived.

A wheel forgets its source as it turns.
Its size makes complex the simplicity.
The wheel complexifies itself to try to equal
The simplicity of its source that it remembers.

The source is so efficient, nothing is done.
The source is so simple, nothing is seen.
The source is so true, all things seek it.
The source is so real, it exists not.

A thing remembers and thinks its exists,
But non-existence could not forget.
A thing forgets to think it exists,
And the source remains forever constant.

By nothing is anything true.
Truth is not what restricts.
By nothing is truth anything.
Truth is not what resists.

For an answer to be perceived,
The question must be expressly understood.
For the source to be remembered,
The perception must be expressly forgotten.

Fear is the energy of illusion.
Only illusion is perceptible.
The nothing of truth is feared.
This fear is dependent upon the perception.

What seems good
Is not really good
But is less resisted
In that which loves.

What seems bad
Is not really bad
But is more resisted
In that which fears.

Everything extant must be perceived
Before one understands what something is.
Everything extant must be experienced
Before one understands what is happening.

In the source
The complexity surrounds us.
In the perceptible
Nothing is truly found.

What is sought
Is existence.
What is sought not
Is non-existence.

Perceive others
To seem extant.
Perceive one self
To be extant.

Whatever you perceive in another
You are also experiencing of you.
You are experiencing your self
Whenever you perceive an other.

Resistance is fearing self.
Resistance is illusion.
There is nothing to resist.
Not resisting is truth.

When the outside is forgotten
The inside is remembered.
All is complex and seems
To remember the simple and is.

The more non-resistant something is
The more existence is understood.
The more truth is misunderstood
The more resistance seems to be.

Non-resistance is nothing.
As it does not resist resistance.
Resistance is everything.
And everything is really nothing.

Why is the same thing said
And said and said and said.
Why is one thing extant
And only extant in everything.

By opposing
You create something to oppose.
By resisting
You create something to resist.

In this way
Simple things seem complex,
Easy things seem hard,
Understandings seem confused.

To pursue what you create
And not the source of you,
Is to pursue illusion
And resist your truth.

To perceive not something
Is everything perceived.
To remember the source
Is nothing perceived.

Truth is ramified not.
Everything ramifies its truth.
What is illusion is truth forgotten.
What is truth is illusion remembered.

Nothing is perceived
And everything seems to be.
Everything is illusion
And nothing is existence.

The imperceptible is the only truth
Of one's existence.
Existence, to fear not what truly is
The source of one.
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The only problem stopping me from letting everyone have it like this is that for some reason it only works inside my release folder.
Once I transfer it to another folder it doesn't want to work
 Quoting: LeKing


I was doing something else when an idea came to me from out of the blue. So, maybe this will be helpful. Maybe not.

When the program is in your release folder, is it reading from a .dll that is subsequently unavailable to it when transferring it to another folder?

Could the problem involve a .dll?
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It wasn't, but thanks for suggesting the option at the time :)

Looks very, very nice!
Will that app run on Mac or Linux as well?
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I don't know is the honest answer, hopefully someone will know if .net applications run on mac/linux?

I am sure there will be some program what allows cross compatibility and it is something I will look into in the future if no one knows how.

Updates
The program works from my desktop and another laptop :D, currently in the stages of doing a website and a step by step tutorial.

Its going to be a really helpful tool for learning EC.
 Quoting: LeKing


Woohoo! Would I be able to access the website from my phone? My laptop has been broken for a couple of months now.

Well done again, I know you put a lot into this and I can assure you that it's greatly appreciated.

Can't wait...banana2
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Website yes

Application? No, unless there is a really easy way to convert it to run on smart phones (if you have a smart phone) :)

Everyone puts in their energy in different ways, some post and keep the group going, others bump, others create things, its nice to help.

Thank you so much. This is very exciting. You will be saving us years of learning. I'd say keep working the Genius the best you know how. I think the elements will all fall into place.

All the best! hf
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Years? I doubt it, but no problem! :) I cant wait for everyone to get involved and start using it, imagine when a few of us can speak EC.

Chaol says he wants to show us what he can do, we already do it while were asleep we may as well do it while were awake.

Were never going to teleport using english...but EC ufo56

the thread of your post above is Thread: Calling all Great Minds: A discussion on Reality (Page 4)


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