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Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

 
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Does anyone know if Chaol has mentioned critical mass in any of the threads?
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Critical mass of what? In reference to what?
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Critical mass (or tipping point) within the collective. Also called the 100th monkey effect.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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There is only one perspective. What is a collective - it is all you.
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mars is a value in your perspective. What do you think it represents?
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That's a good point! I wonder what Mars represents? How do we investigate that? Through good old, reliable Sekhmet?
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mars is a value in your perspective. What do you think it represents?
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That's a good point! I wonder what Mars represents? How do we investigate that? Through good old, reliable Sekhmet?
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For me Mars represents war. You can check in with Sekhmet and report back.
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Hi Chaol,

I was wondering where the first eternal spirit originated from, if it was first surrounded by black nothingness?

Thanks
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Chaol: I noticed that whenever someone talks about the soul, you keep acting like you don't know we are talking about. If you think there is only perspective (relationship of symbols), but no soul, how do you describe happiness? What is happiness then? What is love then?
Why do I feel happy when I keep thinking about things I like? When I visualize a nice meadow with lots of tulips? When I am thinking about my three kids and my wife? When I am thinking about peace and love? Why is that I feel awful when I watch a pro-Israeli propaganda on youtube or hear people quarreling?
If there is no soul, what feels these emotions? How do I know by nature what is good and what is bad (good meaning what brings me closer to actually who I am)?
Why is that I always feel bad when Sekhmet (the warrior goddess) pops up now and then in the thread? How do you describe this bad feeling? You say there is no such thing as good or bad, just what seems so from my perspective. And yet I can still feel exactly what is good or bad at any time, independent from what symbols are nearby or relative to me.
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Chaol: I noticed that whenever someone talks about the soul, you keep acting like you don't know we are talking about. If you think there is only perspective (relationship of symbols), but no soul, how do you describe happiness? What is happiness then? What is love then?
Why do I feel happy when I keep thinking about things I like? When I visualize a nice meadow with lots of tulips? When I am thinking about my three kids and my wife? When I am thinking about peace and love? Why is that I feel awful when I watch a pro-Israeli propaganda on youtube or hear people quarreling?
If there is no soul, what feels these emotions? How do I know by nature what is good and what is bad (good meaning what brings me closer to actually who I am)?
Why is that I always feel bad when Sekhmet (the warrior goddess) pops up now and then in the thread? How do you describe this bad feeling? You say there is no such thing as good or bad, just what seems so from my perspective. And yet I can still feel exactly what is good or bad at any time, independent from what symbols are nearby or relative to me.
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What if the "feelings" are a symbol within your perspective as well? You only feel what you do because of what you believe you've experienced up until now. You (whether you believe me or not) do choose how "things" make you "feel".

Does a soul have to exist to have feelings? If so, perhaps your definition of a soul and Chaol's definition of perspective may be the same thing.

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Hi Chaol,

I was wondering where the first eternal spirit originated from, if it was first surrounded by black nothingness?

Thanks
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Everything is nothing and nothing is everything.
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Chaol: I noticed that whenever someone talks about the soul, you keep acting like you don't know we are talking about. If you think there is only perspective (relationship of symbols), but no soul, how do you describe happiness? What is happiness then? What is love then?
Why do I feel happy when I keep thinking about things I like? When I visualize a nice meadow with lots of tulips? When I am thinking about my three kids and my wife? When I am thinking about peace and love? Why is that I feel awful when I watch a pro-Israeli propaganda on youtube or hear people quarreling?
If there is no soul, what feels these emotions? How do I know by nature what is good and what is bad (good meaning what brings me closer to actually who I am)?
Why is that I always feel bad when Sekhmet (the warrior goddess) pops up now and then in the thread? How do you describe this bad feeling? You say there is no such thing as good or bad, just what seems so from my perspective. And yet I can still feel exactly what is good or bad at any time, independent from what symbols are nearby or relative to me.
 Quoting: madcaddy


What if the "feelings" are a symbol within your perspective as well? You only feel what you do because of what you believe you've experienced up until now. You (whether you believe me or not) do choose how "things" make you "feel".

Does a soul have to exist to have feelings? If so, perhaps your definition of a soul and Chaol's definition of perspective may be the same thing.

hf
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Jesse, isn't it also possible that what we in our world call "Godlike experiences" could also be experiences of the Divine......which in Chaol's world they call something else within their perspective?

In other words, aren't both worlds assigning meanings to experiences? And if one believes in God, they call it a Divine experience? And if one believes they are God (such as in Chaol's world), call it something else...maybe an experience beyond perception?
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Chaol: I noticed that whenever someone talks about the soul, you keep acting like you don't know we are talking about. If you think there is only perspective (relationship of symbols), but no soul, how do you describe happiness? What is happiness then? What is love then?
Why do I feel happy when I keep thinking about things I like? When I visualize a nice meadow with lots of tulips? When I am thinking about my three kids and my wife? When I am thinking about peace and love? Why is that I feel awful when I watch a pro-Israeli propaganda on youtube or hear people quarreling?
If there is no soul, what feels these emotions? How do I know by nature what is good and what is bad (good meaning what brings me closer to actually who I am)?
Why is that I always feel bad when Sekhmet (the warrior goddess) pops up now and then in the thread? How do you describe this bad feeling? You say there is no such thing as good or bad, just what seems so from my perspective. And yet I can still feel exactly what is good or bad at any time, independent from what symbols are nearby or relative to me.
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Emotions represent possibility.
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Jesse, isn't it also possible that what we in our world call "Godlike experiences" could also be experiences of the Divine......which in Chaol's world they call something else within their perspective?

In other words, aren't both worlds assigning meanings to experiences? And if one believes in God, they call it a Divine experience? And if one believes they are God (such as in Chaol's world), call it something else...maybe an experience beyond perception?
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There is nothing beyond perspective. It's a mathematical impossibility. All that is and isn't = perspective.
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Hi Chaol,

I was wondering where the first eternal spirit originated from, if it was first surrounded by black nothingness?

Thanks
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Everything is nothing and nothing is everything.
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Why and when did nothing decide it wanted to be everything?

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Jesse, isn't it also possible that what we in our world call "Godlike experiences" could also be experiences of the Divine......which in Chaol's world they call something else within their perspective?

In other words, aren't both worlds assigning meanings to experiences? And if one believes in God, they call it a Divine experience? And if one believes they are God (such as in Chaol's world), call it something else...maybe an experience beyond perception?
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There is nothing beyond perspective. It's a mathematical impossibility. All that is and isn't = perspective.
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Did you create yourself?
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Hi Chaol,

I was wondering where the first eternal spirit originated from, if it was first surrounded by black nothingness?

Thanks
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Everything is nothing and nothing is everything.
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Why and when did nothing decide it wanted to be everything?

Thanks
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27574130


Nothing wants to be nothing.

To answer what I think was the intent of your question. It was shortly before decided it wanted to be a colour and water decided it wanted to be wet.
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Jesse, isn't it also possible that what we in our world call "Godlike experiences" could also be experiences of the Divine......which in Chaol's world they call something else within their perspective?

In other words, aren't both worlds assigning meanings to experiences? And if one believes in God, they call it a Divine experience? And if one believes they are God (such as in Chaol's world), call it something else...maybe an experience beyond perception?
 Quoting: Unit3


There is nothing beyond perspective. It's a mathematical impossibility. All that is and isn't = perspective.
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Did you create yourself?
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Is that possible? If you are perspective and perspective is everything could you create yourself? Could you even perceive yourself?
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Hi Chaol,

I was wondering where the first eternal spirit originated from, if it was first surrounded by black nothingness?

Thanks
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Everything is nothing and nothing is everything.
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Why and when did nothing decide it wanted to be everything?

Thanks
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27574130


Nothing wants to be nothing.

To answer what I think was the intent of your question. It was shortly before red decided it wanted to be a colour and water decided it wanted to be wet.
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Jesse, isn't it also possible that what we in our world call "Godlike experiences" could also be experiences of the Divine......which in Chaol's world they call something else within their perspective?

In other words, aren't both worlds assigning meanings to experiences? And if one believes in God, they call it a Divine experience? And if one believes they are God (such as in Chaol's world), call it something else...maybe an experience beyond perception?
 Quoting: Unit3


There is nothing beyond perspective. It's a mathematical impossibility. All that is and isn't = perspective.
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Did you create yourself?
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Is that possible? If you are perspective and perspective is everything could you create yourself? Could you even perceive yourself?
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Doesn't perspective indicate an observer?

Chaol says we will learn that WE CREATE OUR PERSPECTIVE! If this is so, then someone is creating the perspective and this someone also observes it.
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There is nothing beyond perspective. It's a mathematical impossibility. All that is and isn't = perspective.
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Did you create yourself?
 Quoting: Unit3


Is that possible? If you are perspective and perspective is everything could you create yourself? Could you even perceive yourself?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5877556




Doesn't perspective indicate an observer?

Chaol says we will learn that WE CREATE OUR PERSPECTIVE! If this is so, then someone is creating the perspective and this someone also observes it.
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Perception is creation.
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Did you create yourself?
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Is that possible? If you are perspective and perspective is everything could you create yourself? Could you even perceive yourself?
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Doesn't perspective indicate an observer?

Chaol says we will learn that WE CREATE OUR PERSPECTIVE! If this is so, then someone is creating the perspective and this someone also observes it.
 Quoting: Unit3

Perception is creation.
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Further. You aren't perceiving something that is already there. The act of perceiving creates what is there.
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Is that possible? If you are perspective and perspective is everything could you create yourself? Could you even perceive yourself?
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Doesn't perspective indicate an observer?

Chaol says we will learn that WE CREATE OUR PERSPECTIVE! If this is so, then someone is creating the perspective and this someone also observes it.
 Quoting: Unit3

Perception is creation.
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Further. You aren't perceiving something that is already there. The act of perceiving creates what is there.
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OK, I get this.

But who is learning how to create perceptions?
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Doesn't perspective indicate an observer?

Chaol says we will learn that WE CREATE OUR PERSPECTIVE! If this is so, then someone is creating the perspective and this someone also observes it.
 Quoting: Unit3

Perception is creation.
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Further. You aren't perceiving something that is already there. The act of perceiving creates what is there.
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OK, I get this.

But who is learning how to create perceptions?
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The you that you think you are not the you that you actually are.
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Thanks, Chaol
For myself,I wouldn't say I seek balance - more a feeling of RESONANCE or CONNECTION, with my environment...

Have you ever not felt that?
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Hi.

For me, if each of us did not feel this we would not be able to communicate, to perceive, or even to function.

It's not a feeling reserved for a certain few. Or something that happens only when you're dead or "enlightened". It's impossible to not be connected and feel resonance with your perspective (or, your self if you prefer).

There is as much value in someone not 'feeling' connected as there is in someone feeling that they are.

Without the illusion of separation there would be nothing that exists.

"Something" is born from feeling separated, rather than knowing, understanding, and feeling one is already unified with everything.

Certain new age, religious, and other teachings, unfortunately, work against the very thing they are trying to promote simply by teaching that one state of being is better than an other state of being.

Very few would want to hear this, or hear that there is a lot of value in not seeking what is currently called enlightenment.

Yes, there are many things to know and feel. And a lot of 'good' feelings can come from meditation, for example. But it does not mean it should be the state of mind/being that anyone should seek.

Each person is different, and each life has different needs.

Translated into English, when we recycling and try to "save the world" we are actually working against nature (and the natural course of things). I could use other examples but it would definitely be unpopular and cause a stir.

Let's just say that not everything is what we expect (or want it to be).
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Juuuust bumping this. It's pertinent to the current discussion here.

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Perception is creation.
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Further. You aren't perceiving something that is already there. The act of perceiving creates what is there.
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OK, I get this.

But who is learning how to create perceptions?
 Quoting: Unit3


The you that you think you are not the you that you actually are.
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Sure, I know this. But, it doesn't really answer my question, does it?
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Jesse, isn't it also possible that what we in our world call "Godlike experiences" could also be experiences of the Divine......which in Chaol's world they call something else within their perspective?

In other words, aren't both worlds assigning meanings to experiences? And if one believes in God, they call it a Divine experience? And if one believes they are God (such as in Chaol's world), call it something else...maybe an experience beyond perception?
 Quoting: Unit3

Remember, we are already in Chaol's world. Our world and his merged completely this past July.
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Juuuust bumping this. It's pertinent to the current discussion here.
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Nonetheless, I am gaining terrific insight knowing that everything that seems to be "separate" is actually my Self. I have understood people better, thereby understanding my Self better. More things slide off my back.

I am fascinated with exploring the processes of my Self. Not the things that manifest as a result of these processes, but the why's and the wherefore's of it all.

There is a grandeur to my Self that I was not fully appreciating before. I mean, just take a look around! The sky, the birds, flowers, clouds, stars and galaxies. There is a breathless beauty in me!

I especially enjoy being able to steer my reality in the directions I like. It just takes a little attention to what one is dreaming.
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Jesse, isn't it also possible that what we in our world call "Godlike experiences" could also be experiences of the Divine......which in Chaol's world they call something else within their perspective?

In other words, aren't both worlds assigning meanings to experiences? And if one believes in God, they call it a Divine experience? And if one believes they are God (such as in Chaol's world), call it something else...maybe an experience beyond perception?
 Quoting: Unit3

Remember, we are already in Chaol's world. Our world and his merged completely this past July.
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Ah, thank you. So this is why every few hours it seems my reality changes? Has he mentioned how this might affect the elderly?
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Hello!

I have been living in this world for some time now.

I came from a place also named Earth, much like this planet. There are a number of differences between my home and yours.

I thought it would be interesting to share a few things with you that are relatively common knowledge where I am from. My reasons for doing so will probably be more apparent in the future.

* Consciousness does not exist (but relationships do)
* Matter is gravity that has been structured
* We are not human (we are perspectives)
* When the totality of something cannot be grasped, it appears infinite.
* Space is not physical
* There is no "now" or "here", but relationships.

We use a kind of language like you use numbers here. Numbers, representations of abstract concepts, were 'invented' to work more easily with the world around us. Our language is no different.

If it were invented today it would probably be thought of as existing in parallel with science. A new kind of science.

This language also enables the shifting of perspective like a kind of mental technology. Some of you may find it quite interesting.

If anyone is interested in learning more please let me know.

Thanks.
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Do you think we all came from your world. I know I came from somewere before I was born, and been trying to get back there ever since.another doI guess we all have to experience a life time on this planet.

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Y'all need to stop freaking out about Sekhmet. She is a SYMBOL. Her name is a SYMBOL. That is, they are representations of something else.

It is probably the Egyptians that named her the goddess of war. It appears that they abused a symbol whose original invention was to illustrate a force. This is probably why Chaol called the Egyptians "terrorists". It is not much different from what we do nowadays: every new invention that could benefit our civilization, is instead turned into a weapon of war.

Rather than a lion's head on the body of a woman, imagine a bar magnet. Better yet, imagine a magnet in the shape of a long cylinder, standing on end. Now, imagine copper wire being wound around this magnet. The south pole is at your feet. The north pole is your head. The south pole sucks up energies from below, the north pole radiates those energies outward. The copper wire conducts electricity, which also causes the paths of energy to swirl up the cylinder, rather than move in a straight line.

Can you not see how this is the key? The bridge? The portal?

THIS is what is represented by a symbol from 30,000 years ago, before it was corrupted into all sorts of scary imagery. That imagery may very well have been dramatized in order to keep you away from knowing something.
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So, now does anybody feel threatened by the symbol, "bar magnet"?
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Do you think we all came from your world. I know I came from somewere before I was born, and been trying to get back there ever since.another doI guess we all have to experience a life time on this planet.
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Hi. You never left home. You simply got caught up in the details of the physical. Home is all around you. You can go back whenever you want to.
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So, now does anybody feel threatened by the symbol, "bar magnet"?
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Wtf? Bars are establishments of debauchery and self loathing. How dare you?! and pft MAGNETS? Isn't that a phallic symbol representing the divine pull of male genitalia into the female?!! OFFENSIVE!!!!!

We (all) choose what's offensive to us and make a big deal out of it like the "drama queens" we all are.

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