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Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

 
Jesse Sovoda
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Chaol: I noticed that whenever someone talks about the soul, you keep acting like you don't know we are talking about. If you think there is only perspective (relationship of symbols), but no soul, how do you describe happiness? What is happiness then? What is love then?
Why do I feel happy when I keep thinking about things I like? When I visualize a nice meadow with lots of tulips? When I am thinking about my three kids and my wife? When I am thinking about peace and love? Why is that I feel awful when I watch a pro-Israeli propaganda on youtube or hear people quarreling?
If there is no soul, what feels these emotions? How do I know by nature what is good and what is bad (good meaning what brings me closer to actually who I am)?
Why is that I always feel bad when Sekhmet (the warrior goddess) pops up now and then in the thread? How do you describe this bad feeling? You say there is no such thing as good or bad, just what seems so from my perspective. And yet I can still feel exactly what is good or bad at any time, independent from what symbols are nearby or relative to me.
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What if the "feelings" are a symbol within your perspective as well? You only feel what you do because of what you believe you've experienced up until now. You (whether you believe me or not) do choose how "things" make you "feel".

Does a soul have to exist to have feelings? If so, perhaps your definition of a soul and Chaol's definition of perspective may be the same thing.

hf
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Jesse, isn't it also possible that what we in our world call "Godlike experiences" could also be experiences of the Divine......which in Chaol's world they call something else within their perspective?

In other words, aren't both worlds assigning meanings to experiences? And if one believes in God, they call it a Divine experience? And if one believes they are God (such as in Chaol's world), call it something else...maybe an experience beyond perception?
 Quoting: Unit3


We are all looking at the same (no)"thing" and assigning meaning to it to imagine ourselves into relevancy. Some of us "feel" better calling something Divine, as it implies we are not alone and there is something (else) looking out for us. This is a further separation brought on by our self imposed illusion to make us "feel" like we exist.

Calling yourself God (source of perspective) or imagining "God" is external and independent of you are technically the same thing. We can never "know" because it (God, source of perspective) is beyond perception and therefore irrelevant. If we can't perceive it, we make it up to "feel" better about nothing.

We're aware of only what we can perceive and beyond that we assign meaning to the shapes moving in the distant darkness, yet that's all it is... darkness (without possibility for perception). We're laying in the grass staring up at the clouds, talking about how much they look like bunny rabbits and cotton balls.

hf
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So, now does anybody feel threatened by the symbol, "bar magnet"?
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Wtf? Bars are establishments of debauchery and self loathing. How dare you?! and pft MAGNETS? Isn't that a phallic symbol representing the divine pull of male genitalia into the female?!! OFFENSIVE!!!!!

We (all) choose what's offensive to us and make a big deal out of it like the "drama queens" we all are.

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So, now does anybody feel threatened by the symbol, "bar magnet"?
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Wtf? Bars are establishments of debauchery and self loathing. How dare you?! and pft MAGNETS? Isn't that a phallic symbol representing the divine pull of male genitalia into the female?!! OFFENSIVE!!!!!

We (all) choose what's offensive to us and make a big deal out of it like the "drama queens" we all are.

5a
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


Ha ha. For sure, Jesse.

What about a pronged plug being inserted into an electrical socket?

Without the male (electricity) and the female (magnetism), there would be no reproduction. There would be no power.

You gotta put them together! That's the trick!
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We're laying in the grass staring up at the clouds, talking about how much they look like bunny rabbits and cotton balls.
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Or looking at a house and saying "there is a house". It doesn't have to be a house. It could be anything.
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Has he mentioned how this might affect the elderly?
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Not specifically, Unit3. However, there is a lot of information regarding other people and how they fit into your perspective. Can you find some of that information and apply it to your "elderly"? (I hope you are not referring to me lol.)
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Choal is a charlatan. You who follow him were heading in the right direction until you started to follow his lead.
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Juuuust bumping this. It's pertinent to the current discussion here.
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Nonetheless, I am gaining terrific insight knowing that everything that seems to be "separate" is actually my Self. I have understood people better, thereby understanding my Self better. More things slide off my back.

I am fascinated with exploring the processes of my Self. Not the things that manifest as a result of these processes, but the why's and the wherefore's of it all.

There is a grandeur to my Self that I was not fully appreciating before. I mean, just take a look around! The sky, the birds, flowers, clouds, stars and galaxies. There is a breathless beauty in me!

I especially enjoy being able to steer my reality in the directions I like. It just takes a little attention to what one is dreaming.
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Yes, agreed!
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Y'all need to stop freaking out about Sekhmet. She is a SYMBOL. Her name is a SYMBOL. That is, they are representations of something else.

It is probably the Egyptians that named her the goddess of war. It appears that they abused a symbol whose original invention was to illustrate a force. This is probably why Chaol called the Egyptians "terrorists". It is not much different from what we do nowadays: every new invention that could benefit our civilization, is instead turned into a weapon of war.

Rather than a lion's head on the body of a woman, imagine a bar magnet. Better yet, imagine a magnet in the shape of a long cylinder, standing on end. Now, imagine copper wire being wound around this magnet. The south pole is at your feet. The north pole is your head. The south pole sucks up energies from below, the north pole radiates those energies outward. The copper wire conducts electricity, which also causes the paths of energy to swirl up the cylinder, rather than move in a straight line.

Can you not see how this is the key? The bridge? The portal?

THIS is what is represented by a symbol from 30,000 years ago, before it was corrupted into all sorts of scary imagery. That imagery may very well have been dramatized in order to keep you away from knowing something.
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I'm not freaked out by Sekhmet. Thanks for the beautiful explanation. hf
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So, now does anybody feel threatened by the symbol, "bar magnet"?
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Wtf? Bars are establishments of debauchery and self loathing. How dare you?! and pft MAGNETS? Isn't that a phallic symbol representing the divine pull of male genitalia into the female?!! OFFENSIVE!!!!!

We (all) choose what's offensive to us and make a big deal out of it like the "drama queens" we all are.

5a
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Chaol: I noticed that whenever someone talks about the soul, you keep acting like you don't know we are talking about. If you think there is only perspective (relationship of symbols), but no soul, how do you describe happiness? What is happiness then? What is love then?
Why do I feel happy when I keep thinking about things I like? When I visualize a nice meadow with lots of tulips? When I am thinking about my three kids and my wife? When I am thinking about peace and love? Why is that I feel awful when I watch a pro-Israeli propaganda on youtube or hear people quarreling?
If there is no soul, what feels these emotions? How do I know by nature what is good and what is bad (good meaning what brings me closer to actually who I am)?
Why is that I always feel bad when Sekhmet (the warrior goddess) pops up now and then in the thread? How do you describe this bad feeling? You say there is no such thing as good or bad, just what seems so from my perspective. And yet I can still feel exactly what is good or bad at any time, independent from what symbols are nearby or relative to me.
 Quoting: madcaddy


What if the "feelings" are a symbol within your perspective as well? You only feel what you do because of what you believe you've experienced up until now. You (whether you believe me or not) do choose how "things" make you "feel".

Does a soul have to exist to have feelings? If so, perhaps your definition of a soul and Chaol's definition of perspective may be the same thing.

hf
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda





Jesse, isn't it also possible that what we in our world call "Godlike experiences" could also be experiences of the Divine......which in Chaol's world they call something else within their perspective?

In other words, aren't both worlds assigning meanings to experiences? And if one believes in God, they call it a Divine experience? And if one believes they are God (such as in Chaol's world), call it something else...maybe an experience beyond perception?
 Quoting: Unit3


We are all looking at the same (no)"thing" and assigning meaning to it to imagine ourselves into relevancy. Some of us "feel" better calling something Divine, as it implies we are not alone and there is something (else) looking out for us. This is a further separation brought on by our self imposed illusion to make us "feel" like we exist.

Calling yourself God (source of perspective) or imagining "God" is external and independent of you are technically the same thing. We can never "know" because it (God, source of perspective) is beyond perception and therefore irrelevant. If we can't perceive it, we make it up to "feel" better about nothing.

We're aware of only what we can perceive and beyond that we assign meaning to the shapes moving in the distant darkness, yet that's all it is... darkness (without possibility for perception). We're laying in the grass staring up at the clouds, talking about how much they look like bunny rabbits and cotton balls.

hf
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Has he mentioned how this might affect the elderly?
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Not specifically, Unit3. However, there is a lot of information regarding other people and how they fit into your perspective. Can you find some of that information and apply it to your "elderly"? (I hope you are not referring to me lol.)
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LOL! No, it's someone in my perspective that I feel protective towards. (And yes, I know this is a part of myself)

I am scrambling to find "other" information, you can bet on that. Don't you see me posting Chaol's posts from deep within all his threads, LOL!
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Do you think we all came from your world. I know I came from somewere before I was born, and been trying to get back there ever since.another doI guess we all have to experience a life time on this planet.
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Hi. You never left home. You simply got caught up in the details of the physical. Home is all around you. You can go back whenever you want to.
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So I just click my heels three times........Genius
thanks
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Do you think we all came from your world. I know I came from somewere before I was born, and been trying to get back there ever since.another doI guess we all have to experience a life time on this planet.
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Hi. You never left home. You simply got caught up in the details of the physical. Home is all around you. You can go back whenever you want to.
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So I just click my heels three times........Genius
thanks
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If your home is represented by clicking your heels three times, then that will get you home.

Have you looked at the process for The Genius? Do you understand that everything is within your perspective right now? All you need to do is create a symbol that represents home for you, then make some rules around the symbol and interact with it. That's it. It is that simple.

But, then you may not want it to be that simple. And, so, you continue to fumble around, seeking "home", without ever actually going directly home.

Sometimes it feels better to just complain about something than it does to take responsibility for changing your perspective.
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Start out by getting yourself some ruby slippers. Just a suggestion.
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Or, you could always just wake up. That seems to be the very easiest route of all.
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Has he mentioned how this might affect the elderly?
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Not specifically, Unit3. However, there is a lot of information regarding other people and how they fit into your perspective. Can you find some of that information and apply it to your "elderly"? (I hope you are not referring to me lol.)
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Btw, what's wrong with being elderly? tounge
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Btw, what's wrong with being elderly?
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Good heavens! Nothing is wrong with it! Best time of my life!

Now, get off my lawn. :)
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I didn't see it, but did Dodec ever re-emerge from the dream to share what he/she knew?

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Start out by getting yourself some ruby slippers. Just a suggestion.
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Wrong! The symbol used in the Genius, is to have NO to LITTLE VALUE. Ruby slippers already have value!


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Do you think we all came from your world. I know I came from somewere before I was born, and been trying to get back there ever since.another doI guess we all have to experience a life time on this planet.
 Quoting: stars

Hi. You never left home. You simply got caught up in the details of the physical. Home is all around you. You can go back whenever you want to.
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So I just click my heels three times........Genius
thanks
 Quoting: stars
If your home is represented by clicking your heels three times, then that will get you home.

Have you looked at the process for The Genius? Do you understand that everything is within your perspective right now? All you need to do is create a symbol that represents home for you, then make some rules around the symbol and interact with it. That's it. It is that simple.

But, then you may not want it to be that simple. And, so, you continue to fumble around, seeking "home", without ever actually going directly home.

Sometimes it feels better to just complain about something than it does to take responsibility for changing your perspective.


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6853315


Actually, Chaol advised when starting to learn to use the Genius, to try for a car, house or something like that. I know because I tried to get him to let me do just what you suggest and he said it would be better to try the other things first.

Edit: So, I made those other Genius maps first...then made one for the Dream Reality, heh!

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Btw, what's wrong with being elderly?
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Good heavens! Nothing is wrong with it! Best time of my life!

Now, get off my lawn. :)
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I didn't see it, but did Dodec ever re-emerge from the dream to share what he/she knew?

:D
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I wish!

Marshwiggle seems MIA as well. Of course, I'm impatient! Heh!

Edit: Actually, I could name several that seem MIA!!!!!!

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Start out by getting yourself some ruby slippers. Just a suggestion.
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Wrong! The symbol used in the Genius, is to have NO to LITTLE VALUE. Ruby slippers already have value!


headbang
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Odd. It worked just fine for Dorothy.
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Start out by getting yourself some ruby slippers. Just a suggestion.
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Wrong! The symbol used in the Genius, is to have NO to LITTLE VALUE. Ruby slippers already have value!


headbang
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Odd. It worked just fine for Dorothy.
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LOL!

Goofy Thum
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Wasn't logged in, sorry!
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Wasn't logged in, sorry!
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I am still here to answer all of your questions. I am a recognized emissary from X.
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Wasn't logged in, sorry!
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I am still here to answer all of your questions. I am a recognized emissary from X.
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Recognized by whom?

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Wasn't logged in, sorry!
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I am still here to answer all of your questions. I am a recognized emissary from X.
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Recognized by whom?
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You who has responded.
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Wasn't logged in, sorry!
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I am still here to answer all of your questions. I am a recognized emissary from X.
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Recognized by whom?
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You who has responded.
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Hi Chaol,

I was wondering where the first eternal spirit originated from, if it was first surrounded by black nothingness?

Thanks
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Everything is nothing and nothing is everything.
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Why and when did nothing decide it wanted to be everything?

Thanks
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Nothing wants to be nothing.

To answer what I think was the intent of your question. It was shortly before red decided it wanted to be a colour and water decided it wanted to be wet.
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If you are what you say you are, then you should be able to forsee the future.. My question is, on dec 21st, will the ascension occur or will some other worldy event occur? please tell me your insight Chaol as I am sure you know the answer already.

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