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Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

 
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our reality is based on our belief systems. LITERALLY

Since everything is within our perspective the only way to expand it is to see that which we don't see.

I believe the easiest way to do this is question that which we resist.

We resist something because we don't understand it from our perspective.

For example, Someone getting angry for being cut off in traffic.

Anger is their default... their reality.

However if instead they practiced analyzing that which they resist they might think:

1. perhaps someone is on the floor dying and he is in a great hurry
2. Maybe he didn't see me

Getting angry is basically assuming you know the situation from your current perspective. It is egotistical and an impossibility and thus not inclusive with a higher perspective.

When we make assumption like that we collapse possibility waves.

By getting angry that, the person is possibility assuming several things like:

A that the person cut him on on purpose
B that it negatively affects him
C that the driver doesn't have good reason

If he acted in joy and understood that the universe will always deliver us the best possible thing for us from the highest possible perspective he might realize something like:

1. that by being 1 minute later he walks past a new girl in his office, and see her drop a book which happens to be his favorite and they get talking. go out for coffee. Fall in love and marry.

2. That he narrowly avoided an accident by that car putting him 1 minute behind where he normally would be

3. That he doesn't have time to stop at his regular coffee shop so stops at mcdonalds and wins 1 million dollars in the monopoly game.


This is true for every interaction you have!!!

You are creating your mind set based on your current conscious and unconscious beliefs.

I have lately been taking boring tasks and thinking and practice "unlogic". "what would I have to believe this task is fun." When you start thinking like this you can change your beliefs about anything you dislike.

Hitler was a complete dick, BUT he created such a dark mindset that the world has pretty much put an end to obvious large scale war conflict, and has gave a contrast of such deep evil that it allows the rest of humanity to reach an even greater level of happiness now. He allowed us to see that which we are not, greatly expanding our perspectives and allowing a higher good. (law of relationships)

So this good or evil thing is really subjective based on how we our willing to structure our perspective.

We have the power to create the reality we want, we just have to define it. As you begin to "unlogic" things you, like me, will begin to see everything brighter. You will begin to have a sense of unlimited potential, and you will draw into your reality more of the kind of things that you truly want to see.
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Nice. Always good to look into what we resist, for sure.

Chaol also says to expand our perspective by doing things differently than we usually do (that's why I started posting about my personal life here.......I have never done that before.) and you are doing it with the boring tasks.

HE also says to feel things we have never felt before...so I'm sure working on that by doing things I've never done before.


Your good/evil sentence is very nice. I've flat-lined a lot of my good/evil perceptions, but I still have some pretty strong preferences. If I didn't, how would I know what I desire so my Genius can be employed? j/k

What can I say....I'm a work in progress. heh!

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Our worlds are very similar, but we do not possess the same sense of time.

Let's take a ready example and say that we are going out for coffee and I tell you that if you purchase an orange juice, instead, it will save your life.

Someone may immediately consider why orange juice is better than coffee and raise arguments about how their coffee isn't so bad and won't kill them.

However, how something is expressed is not as important as the interactions that it influences.

It could be, instead, that purchasing the orange juice saves you 30 seconds which will (as you may call it) start a chain of reactions which will put you in the right place at the right time when there is an accident on your way home.

You probably won't see how this happens unless your sense of time is more independent from your perspective.

It is not about consequences any more than karma is involved.

As an example of karma, let's say that you were leading a nice, stress-free life without anything really bad happening. One day you got angry and ended up hitting someone. The next day something your pet dog died.

You may link the dead dog to your anger the day before.

More accurately though, the geometry of relationships changed when (possibly) the value of your anger was expressed it it. In the new perspective the dog was not compatible.

Depending on the perspective, it could be that the dog disappears from it. You make a logical narrative to explain the disappeared dog in your reality. It could be that he runs away, someone else is taking care of him or she is at the vet, she died, etc.

So in this way there's no consequence of your action, before or after. At ever moment the entire universe is created anew (for lack of better terms).

In this way right or wrong are irrelevant. What matters are the values of what exist.

Where one person sees "right" or "wrong" another person may see the value, and calculate these values.

Our sense of time may be different, but there's a lot more calculation going on here than is realized. With a 'giant computer' it is not so difficult. It goes beyond right/wrong, good/bad, stupid/smart, high/low, and manipulates reality itself for my own purposes.

As I show the values in my perspective (you) how to do the same thing so do our realities become more logically related. (Again, for my own purposes.)

It could be, instead, that I let you drink your coffee and then you wonder why I didn't save your life if I knew this was "going to happen". It would appear that my senses are rusty. But I am looking at the bigger picture and the totality of my perspective.

Right/wrong are temporary and stand on shaky ground. Why would anyone want to believe in them?
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not long until chaol returns. Take this opportunity to have not-chaol answer your questions.
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1) When you got off the escalator at the mall and saw the popcorn, was the popcorn to your right?

2) What areas would you say your expertise is in? I ask this so I know what questions to ask you. I have many, heh!
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The popcorn was in front of me because I actually did a 360 to stop and laugh.

My specialty is in the Genius model and ecsys language.
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Did you turn left or right when you did the 360?


How do you connect a Genius to a nexus point?

And how do you ascertain a nexus point? If we create our perspective, don't we also create the nexus point?
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Gespenst, here's the NASA announcement we've been waiting on...magnetic highway at the end of the Solar System....


[link to www.rawstory.com]
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not long until chaol returns. Take this opportunity to have not-chaol answer your questions.
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1) When you got off the escalator at the mall and saw the popcorn, was the popcorn to your right?

2) What areas would you say your expertise is in? I ask this so I know what questions to ask you. I have many, heh!
 Quoting: Unit3


The popcorn was in front of me because I actually did a 360 to stop and laugh.

My specialty is in the Genius model and ecsys language.
 Quoting: Not-Chaol 1466035




Did you turn left or right when you did the 360?


How do you connect a Genius to a nexus point?

And how do you ascertain a nexus point? If we create our perspective, don't we also create the nexus point?
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I turned left.

The nexus point is a built in portion of the genius. All possibility (anything used for space, energy or capacity) is a nexus point. The size of the nexus point can vary. New York City on 9/11 = huge nexus. Your bathroom at 2:36 am yesterday = small nexus point.
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Gespenst, here's the NASA announcement we've been waiting on...magnetic highway at the end of the Solar System....


[link to www.rawstory.com]
 Quoting: Unit3

Even though we have learned that space is not physical, this article about reaching the very edges of our solar system still excites my neurons. Look at what we have here with the Voyagers I and II: symbols, logic, interaction and possibilty. All of the gods are involved.
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Gespenst, here's the NASA announcement we've been waiting on...magnetic highway at the end of the Solar System....


[link to www.rawstory.com]
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Even though we have learned that space is not physical, this article about reaching the very edges of our solar system still excites my neurons. Look at what we have here with the Voyagers I and II: symbols, logic, interaction and possibilty. All of the gods are involved.
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But isn't everything physical?
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Gespenst, here's the NASA announcement we've been waiting on...magnetic highway at the end of the Solar System....


[link to www.rawstory.com]
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I have read about this, very interesting!

But the annoucement was about Mars, and it end up being not what everybody was expecting: [link to www.huffingtonpost.com]

Still awesome though.
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But isn't everything physical?
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A paradox!

If anything can be perceived, then it is physical.

However, no thing is physical. There is no thing there.
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From page 1 of this thread:
* Consciousness does not exist (but relationships do)
* Matter is gravity that has been structured
* We are not human (we are perspectives)
* When the totality of something cannot be grasped, it appears infinite.
* Space is not physical
* There is no "now" or "here", but relationships.
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(There is no physicality.)
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Thread: Neuronics: The future of humanity (Humanity without physicality)
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Basically, we are not human.

You are already non-physical.

Physicality does not actually exist.
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Thread: Neuronics: The future of humanity (Humanity without physicality) (Page 2)
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1) When you got off the escalator at the mall and saw the popcorn, was the popcorn to your right?

2) What areas would you say your expertise is in? I ask this so I know what questions to ask you. I have many, heh!
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The popcorn was in front of me because I actually did a 360 to stop and laugh.

My specialty is in the Genius model and ecsys language.
 Quoting: Not-Chaol 1466035




Did you turn left or right when you did the 360?


How do you connect a Genius to a nexus point?

And how do you ascertain a nexus point? If we create our perspective, don't we also create the nexus point?
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I turned left.

The nexus point is a built in portion of the genius. All possibility (anything used for space, energy or capacity) is a nexus point. The size of the nexus point can vary. New York City on 9/11 = huge nexus. Your bathroom at 2:36 am yesterday = small nexus point.
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So is Chaol building in the nexus for his Nov 17 trip every year?

You turned left? I could swear that for an instant, I was there and saw the popcorn, but I saw it to my right.
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Gespenst, here's the NASA announcement we've been waiting on...magnetic highway at the end of the Solar System....


[link to www.rawstory.com]
 Quoting: Unit3

Even though we have learned that space is not physical, this article about reaching the very edges of our solar system still excites my neurons. Look at what we have here with the Voyagers I and II: symbols, logic, interaction and possibilty. All of the gods are involved.
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I still don't understand why the website says:

"Your physical body is mostly non-human.

Emotions like happiness and loneliness, diseases like cancer and schizophrenia, and abilities like cognition and communication are actually infections we get from animals, food, the environment, outer space, and other people."


Sounds to me like there is physicality (but we are evolving away from it) and also there is something outside of a single perspective. Otherwise, why would one create an infection from outer space?

Could Chaol possibly believe in a Higher Power but not call it that or not recognize it? Has anyone ever asked Chaol who created him? (I have a question waiting on him in another post earlier in this thread. I believe he does believe in some kind of outer influence....after all, he says it just happened that he met his girlfriend....what made it "just happen?:)
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Fun questions, IMHO, Unit3.

Something I have been pondering for the past couple days:

We perceive so as to feel as if we exist, right? We form relationships in order to feel that we are alive.

But, there is the "Nothing" that is beyond perception and to which existence is irrelevant. We are told that the Nothing is everything.

Well, then, who invented perception? The Nothing? But, It does not need to perceive in order to exist, right?

I am thinking that there is some intermediate force that springs from "the Nothing" and which then creates, I suppose, the non-physical.
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Gespenst, here's the NASA announcement we've been waiting on...magnetic highway at the end of the Solar System....


[link to www.rawstory.com]
 Quoting: Unit3


I have read about this, very interesting!

But the annoucement was about Mars, and it end up being not what everybody was expecting: [link to www.huffingtonpost.com]

Still awesome though.
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I enjoy reading stuff like this. Also, science fiction...it all expands my mind imo!
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The popcorn was in front of me because I actually did a 360 to stop and laugh.

My specialty is in the Genius model and ecsys language.
 Quoting: Not-Chaol 1466035




Did you turn left or right when you did the 360?


How do you connect a Genius to a nexus point?

And how do you ascertain a nexus point? If we create our perspective, don't we also create the nexus point?
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I turned left.

The nexus point is a built in portion of the genius. All possibility (anything used for space, energy or capacity) is a nexus point. The size of the nexus point can vary. New York City on 9/11 = huge nexus. Your bathroom at 2:36 am yesterday = small nexus point.
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So is Chaol building in the nexus for his Nov 17 trip every year?

You turned left? I could swear that for an instant, I was there and saw the popcorn, but I saw it to my right.
 Quoting: Unit3


You are my mirror image unit.
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Fun questions, IMHO, Unit3.

Something I have been pondering for the past couple days:

We perceive so as to feel as if we exist, right? We form relationships in order to feel that we are alive.

But, there is the "Nothing" that is beyond perception and to which existence is irrelevant. We are told that the Nothing is everything.

Well, then, who invented perception? The Nothing? But, It does not need to perceive in order to exist, right?

I am thinking that there is some intermediate force that springs from "the Nothing" and which then creates, I suppose, the non-physical.
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That is what Chaol says...we won't feel we exist unless we have perceptions. And, according to Chaol, he forgets, just like we do, that his perceptions aren't real.

I did find myself once in what I felt was Chaol....and it was a sort of nothingness but with a feeling of awareness. (I hope that makes sense.)

I have tried many times to feel Nothing...but there is always something...texture, peace, awareness...something to observe.

It's kind of like, how does the uncreated have creation?
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Did you turn left or right when you did the 360?


How do you connect a Genius to a nexus point?

And how do you ascertain a nexus point? If we create our perspective, don't we also create the nexus point?
 Quoting: Unit3

I turned left.

The nexus point is a built in portion of the genius. All possibility (anything used for space, energy or capacity) is a nexus point. The size of the nexus point can vary. New York City on 9/11 = huge nexus. Your bathroom at 2:36 am yesterday = small nexus point.
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So is Chaol building in the nexus for his Nov 17 trip every year?

You turned left? I could swear that for an instant, I was there and saw the popcorn, but I saw it to my right.
 Quoting: Unit3


You are my mirror image unit.
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Wow! That sent chills up.
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....and it was a sort of nothingness but with a feeling of awareness. (I hope that makes sense.)
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It makes perfect sense to me. I even wrote about the same sensation a ways back in this thread. I call it "The Big Quiet".

I have tried many times to feel Nothing...but there is always something...texture, peace, awareness...something to observe.
 Quoting: Unit3

We really cannot even discuss a "Nothing", because as soon as we think of it, it becomes "something".

It's kind of like, how does the uncreated have creation?
 Quoting: Unit3

!!!
How, indeed?
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Has anyone ever asked Chaol who created him?
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Okay, okay. Look. There is something that is, like, on the tip of my tongue.

Consciousness is the result of at least two things interacting, right? Consciousness is the geometry formed when two things relate.

You are conscious, right? I am, too, I guess. I mean, here I am! Here you are!

This means that at least two things are interacting, forming a consciousness which we are calling "me".

When Chaol is in our world, he is conscious (or appears to be! lol). That means that something is interacting with something else in order to form a geometry that results in a consciousness that we are calling "Chaol".

So, what is Chaol when he is NOT intersecting this world? What are WE when we are NOT intersecting this world?

Could it be that we are also what Chaol is? Could THAT be the "other you" that is waiting for us?

Chaol has asked very plainly, "If I am you, then what am I?"

Well...
Well...
Aaargh.
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Gespenst, here's the NASA announcement we've been waiting on...magnetic highway at the end of the Solar System....


[link to www.rawstory.com]
 Quoting: Unit3

Even though we have learned that space is not physical, this article about reaching the very edges of our solar system still excites my neurons. Look at what we have here with the Voyagers I and II: symbols, logic, interaction and possibilty. All of the gods are involved.
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I still don't understand why the website says:

"Your physical body is mostly non-human.

Emotions like happiness and loneliness, diseases like cancer and schizophrenia, and abilities like cognition and communication are actually infections we get from animals, food, the environment, outer space, and other people."


Sounds to me like there is physicality (but we are evolving away from it) and also there is something outside of a single perspective. Otherwise, why would one create an infection from outer space?

Could Chaol possibly believe in a Higher Power but not call it that or not recognize it? Has anyone ever asked Chaol who created him? (I have a question waiting on him in another post earlier in this thread. I believe he does believe in some kind of outer influence....after all, he says it just happened that he met his girlfriend....what made it "just happen?:)
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I think he likes to use language that he believes we will understand. Chaol's "infected" is a funny word. The way I see Chaol use it, there is an implication of an almost symbiotic relationship with that which "infects" or has a relationship to us.

If you "have" cancer, you're exploring the relationships around "cancer". Chaol had noted previously that to drink alcohol is to merge your perspective with the "alcohol" perspective. We experience these as "infections", but they're an exploration of what we perceive to be alternate perspectives or even ways of perceiving (if we consider more "intense" drugs etc..).

I would imagine that Chaol would state "a Higher Power"(like I think you'd define it Unit) is imperceptible and therefore irrelevant. If you were able to perceive "a higher power" you'd be "infecting" your perspective with it and since all that really exists is "you" and "your" perspective, that "higher power" is "you" in the same way that person falling over drunk in your perspective is "you".

I'd argue (personally) there is no "higher power", but then again there is no way to argue against the imperceptible. If you're exploring the "victim" perspective, there would be many "higher powers". Likewise if you work a "day job" and have a "boss" wouldn't they hold the title of "higher power" in some contexts?

I see "physicality" as the language we currently use to define our perspective. In that way, no matter what perspective you hold, you will define it as "physical" although that "physicality" may be in stark contrast to "this" one. A new "brand of physicality".

hf
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Has anyone ever asked Chaol who created him?
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Okay, okay. Look. There is something that is, like, on the tip of my tongue.

Consciousness is the result of at least two things interacting, right? Consciousness is the geometry formed when two things relate.

You are conscious, right? I am, too, I guess. I mean, here I am! Here you are!

This means that at least two things are interacting, forming a consciousness which we are calling "me".

When Chaol is in our world, he is conscious (or appears to be! lol). That means that something is interacting with something else in order to form a geometry that results in a consciousness that we are calling "Chaol".

So, what is Chaol when he is NOT intersecting this world? What are WE when we are NOT intersecting this world?

Could it be that we are also what Chaol is? Could THAT be the "other you" that is waiting for us?

Chaol has asked very plainly, "If I am you, then what am I?"

Well...
Well...
Aaargh.
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This is my predicament too.

What am I without my perceptions? If Chaol is so aware that he is creating his perceptions, then doesn't he have some kind of awareness as to what his beingness is as well? Or, is he only aware of how he creates them and that's it.

And, why did he say there would be a split where each would go its own way in infinity. If this is true, who decides this? To me, Chaol is stating there is some kind of power beyond him or else he is capable of making that split happen.


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Sorry, wasn't logged in. That's ^^^^^^^^^^^ my post.
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Gespenst, here's the NASA announcement we've been waiting on...magnetic highway at the end of the Solar System....


[link to www.rawstory.com]
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Even though we have learned that space is not physical, this article about reaching the very edges of our solar system still excites my neurons. Look at what we have here with the Voyagers I and II: symbols, logic, interaction and possibilty. All of the gods are involved.
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I still don't understand why the website says:

"Your physical body is mostly non-human.

Emotions like happiness and loneliness, diseases like cancer and schizophrenia, and abilities like cognition and communication are actually infections we get from animals, food, the environment, outer space, and other people."


Sounds to me like there is physicality (but we are evolving away from it) and also there is something outside of a single perspective. Otherwise, why would one create an infection from outer space?

Could Chaol possibly believe in a Higher Power but not call it that or not recognize it? Has anyone ever asked Chaol who created him? (I have a question waiting on him in another post earlier in this thread. I believe he does believe in some kind of outer influence....after all, he says it just happened that he met his girlfriend....what made it "just happen?:)
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I think he likes to use language that he believes we will understand. Chaol's "infected" is a funny word. The way I see Chaol use it, there is an implication of an almost symbiotic relationship with that which "infects" or has a relationship to us.

If you "have" cancer, you're exploring the relationships around "cancer". Chaol had noted previously that to drink alcohol is to merge your perspective with the "alcohol" perspective. We experience these as "infections", but they're an exploration of what we perceive to be alternate perspectives or even ways of perceiving (if we consider more "intense" drugs etc..).

I would imagine that Chaol would state "a Higher Power"(like I think you'd define it Unit) is imperceptible and therefore irrelevant. If you were able to perceive "a higher power" you'd be "infecting" your perspective with it and since all that really exists is "you" and "your" perspective, that "higher power" is "you" in the same way that person falling over drunk in your perspective is "you".

I'd argue (personally) there is no "higher power", but then again there is no way to argue against the imperceptible. If you're exploring the "victim" perspective, there would be many "higher powers". Likewise if you work a "day job" and have a "boss" wouldn't they hold the title of "higher power" in some contexts?

I see "physicality" as the language we currently use to define our perspective. In that way, no matter what perspective you hold, you will define it as "physical" although that "physicality" may be in stark contrast to "this" one. A new "brand of physicality".

hf
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Is that you in your avatar?


Beautiful explanation, Jesse. And it makes sense except it doesn't answer the question as to how Chaol feels he came to be. Maybe he sees he always is...no start, no end, but did he create himself so he can create his perspectives?

And it still begs the question re: a collective mind. Are we or are we not all connected? I do not see how we could not be anything else. If so, then don't we affect (or infect) one another anyway?
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Even though we have learned that space is not physical, this article about reaching the very edges of our solar system still excites my neurons. Look at what we have here with the Voyagers I and II: symbols, logic, interaction and possibilty. All of the gods are involved.
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I still don't understand why the website says:

"Your physical body is mostly non-human.

Emotions like happiness and loneliness, diseases like cancer and schizophrenia, and abilities like cognition and communication are actually infections we get from animals, food, the environment, outer space, and other people."


Sounds to me like there is physicality (but we are evolving away from it) and also there is something outside of a single perspective. Otherwise, why would one create an infection from outer space?

Could Chaol possibly believe in a Higher Power but not call it that or not recognize it? Has anyone ever asked Chaol who created him? (I have a question waiting on him in another post earlier in this thread. I believe he does believe in some kind of outer influence....after all, he says it just happened that he met his girlfriend....what made it "just happen?:)
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I think he likes to use language that he believes we will understand. Chaol's "infected" is a funny word. The way I see Chaol use it, there is an implication of an almost symbiotic relationship with that which "infects" or has a relationship to us.

If you "have" cancer, you're exploring the relationships around "cancer". Chaol had noted previously that to drink alcohol is to merge your perspective with the "alcohol" perspective. We experience these as "infections", but they're an exploration of what we perceive to be alternate perspectives or even ways of perceiving (if we consider more "intense" drugs etc..).

I would imagine that Chaol would state "a Higher Power"(like I think you'd define it Unit) is imperceptible and therefore irrelevant. If you were able to perceive "a higher power" you'd be "infecting" your perspective with it and since all that really exists is "you" and "your" perspective, that "higher power" is "you" in the same way that person falling over drunk in your perspective is "you".

I'd argue (personally) there is no "higher power", but then again there is no way to argue against the imperceptible. If you're exploring the "victim" perspective, there would be many "higher powers". Likewise if you work a "day job" and have a "boss" wouldn't they hold the title of "higher power" in some contexts?

I see "physicality" as the language we currently use to define our perspective. In that way, no matter what perspective you hold, you will define it as "physical" although that "physicality" may be in stark contrast to "this" one. A new "brand of physicality".

hf
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Is that you in your avatar?


Beautiful explanation, Jesse. And it makes sense except it doesn't answer the question as to how Chaol feels he came to be. Maybe he sees he always is...no start, no end, but did he create himself so he can create his perspectives?

And it still begs the question re: a collective mind. Are we or are we not all connected? I do not see how we could not be anything else. If so, then don't we affect (or infect) one another anyway?
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Nope, that's my wife (Yea, I guess it's better to have me there... I suppose). I am a white bald dude with a crazy goatee.

If I follow the logic Chaol has shown. There is no perspective beyond YOUR own. "Everything" else is a representation (a symbol) you are choosing to interact with.

If we start the chicken and the egg discussion... (What came first "Me" or "Something else"?) Then we find ourselves ending at our "earliest" memory in perspective.

Everything that "exists" does so, in this moment. What you are perceiving right NOW is all there is. You perceive it all as "separate" or "different" from "you" only to render it into "existence".

What if all you perceive yourself to know is generated here, in the now? What if everything you believe yourself to "know" is your logic constructed here in the now to explain to yourself that you could be here now?

You can always forget (render something irrelevant).

What if we've purposely forgotten how we rendered this illusion just so that we can interact with it?

hf

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I still don't understand why the website says:

"Your physical body is mostly non-human.

Emotions like happiness and loneliness, diseases like cancer and schizophrenia, and abilities like cognition and communication are actually infections we get from animals, food, the environment, outer space, and other people."


Sounds to me like there is physicality (but we are evolving away from it) and also there is something outside of a single perspective. Otherwise, why would one create an infection from outer space?

Could Chaol possibly believe in a Higher Power but not call it that or not recognize it? Has anyone ever asked Chaol who created him? (I have a question waiting on him in another post earlier in this thread. I believe he does believe in some kind of outer influence....after all, he says it just happened that he met his girlfriend....what made it "just happen?:)
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I think he likes to use language that he believes we will understand. Chaol's "infected" is a funny word. The way I see Chaol use it, there is an implication of an almost symbiotic relationship with that which "infects" or has a relationship to us.

If you "have" cancer, you're exploring the relationships around "cancer". Chaol had noted previously that to drink alcohol is to merge your perspective with the "alcohol" perspective. We experience these as "infections", but they're an exploration of what we perceive to be alternate perspectives or even ways of perceiving (if we consider more "intense" drugs etc..).

I would imagine that Chaol would state "a Higher Power"(like I think you'd define it Unit) is imperceptible and therefore irrelevant. If you were able to perceive "a higher power" you'd be "infecting" your perspective with it and since all that really exists is "you" and "your" perspective, that "higher power" is "you" in the same way that person falling over drunk in your perspective is "you".

I'd argue (personally) there is no "higher power", but then again there is no way to argue against the imperceptible. If you're exploring the "victim" perspective, there would be many "higher powers". Likewise if you work a "day job" and have a "boss" wouldn't they hold the title of "higher power" in some contexts?

I see "physicality" as the language we currently use to define our perspective. In that way, no matter what perspective you hold, you will define it as "physical" although that "physicality" may be in stark contrast to "this" one. A new "brand of physicality".

hf
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda





Is that you in your avatar?


Beautiful explanation, Jesse. And it makes sense except it doesn't answer the question as to how Chaol feels he came to be. Maybe he sees he always is...no start, no end, but did he create himself so he can create his perspectives?

And it still begs the question re: a collective mind. Are we or are we not all connected? I do not see how we could not be anything else. If so, then don't we affect (or infect) one another anyway?
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Nope, that's my wife (Yea, I guess it's better to have me there... I suppose). I am a white bald dude with a crazy goatee.

If I follow the logic Chaol has shown. There is no perspective beyond YOUR own. "Everything" else is a representation (a symbol) you are choosing to interact with.

If we start the chicken and the egg discussion... (What came first "Me" or "Something else"?) Then we find ourselves ending at our "earliest" memory in perspective.

Everything that "exists" does so, in this moment. What you are perceiving right NOW is all there is. You perceive it all as "separate" or "different" from "you" only to render it into "existence".

What if all you perceive yourself to know is generated here, in the now? What if everything you believe yourself to "know" is your logic constructed here in the now to explain to yourself that you could be here now?

You can always forget (render something irrelevant).

What if we've purposely forgotten how we rendered this illusion just so that we can interact with it?

hf
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You freaked me out when you changed it again, LOL! And, I was scrolling down and you were looking right at me, hehe! I'd say either photo is fine.

I've thought about this being generated here and now. Maybe this is the only perspective I have and included my birth, going to grade school, high school, etc:, death of relatives, presidential elections and Ad infinitum, right now and seeming to be in the past.

But, there are still many things in my perspective which I would not choose to have in it and have felt many things have happened outside of my control.
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That was awesome Jesse. Reminds me of chaos genie story.
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I think he likes to use language that he believes we will understand. Chaol's "infected" is a funny word. The way I see Chaol use it, there is an implication of an almost symbiotic relationship with that which "infects" or has a relationship to us.

If you "have" cancer, you're exploring the relationships around "cancer". Chaol had noted previously that to drink alcohol is to merge your perspective with the "alcohol" perspective. We experience these as "infections", but they're an exploration of what we perceive to be alternate perspectives or even ways of perceiving (if we consider more "intense" drugs etc..).

I would imagine that Chaol would state "a Higher Power"(like I think you'd define it Unit) is imperceptible and therefore irrelevant. If you were able to perceive "a higher power" you'd be "infecting" your perspective with it and since all that really exists is "you" and "your" perspective, that "higher power" is "you" in the same way that person falling over drunk in your perspective is "you".

I'd argue (personally) there is no "higher power", but then again there is no way to argue against the imperceptible. If you're exploring the "victim" perspective, there would be many "higher powers". Likewise if you work a "day job" and have a "boss" wouldn't they hold the title of "higher power" in some contexts?

I see "physicality" as the language we currently use to define our perspective. In that way, no matter what perspective you hold, you will define it as "physical" although that "physicality" may be in stark contrast to "this" one. A new "brand of physicality".

hf
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda





Is that you in your avatar?


Beautiful explanation, Jesse. And it makes sense except it doesn't answer the question as to how Chaol feels he came to be. Maybe he sees he always is...no start, no end, but did he create himself so he can create his perspectives?

And it still begs the question re: a collective mind. Are we or are we not all connected? I do not see how we could not be anything else. If so, then don't we affect (or infect) one another anyway?
 Quoting: Unit3


Nope, that's my wife (Yea, I guess it's better to have me there... I suppose). I am a white bald dude with a crazy goatee.

If I follow the logic Chaol has shown. There is no perspective beyond YOUR own. "Everything" else is a representation (a symbol) you are choosing to interact with.

If we start the chicken and the egg discussion... (What came first "Me" or "Something else"?) Then we find ourselves ending at our "earliest" memory in perspective.

Everything that "exists" does so, in this moment. What you are perceiving right NOW is all there is. You perceive it all as "separate" or "different" from "you" only to render it into "existence".

What if all you perceive yourself to know is generated here, in the now? What if everything you believe yourself to "know" is your logic constructed here in the now to explain to yourself that you could be here now?

You can always forget (render something irrelevant).

What if we've purposely forgotten how we rendered this illusion just so that we can interact with it?

hf
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda




You freaked me out when you changed it again, LOL! And, I was scrolling down and you were looking right at me, hehe! I'd say either photo is fine.

I've thought about this being generated here and now. Maybe this is the only perspective I have and included my birth, going to grade school, high school, etc:, death of relatives, presidential elections and Ad infinitum, right now and seeming to be in the past.

But, there are still many things in my perspective which I would not choose to have in it and have felt many things have happened outside of my control.
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Yea (sorry) lol
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I think "choice" is another one of those funny words. You choose, but not from the infinite possibilities out there. You "choose" from the decision set dictated by the current interaction within the logic of the now. Ya know? That which takes the least energy and all that.

What if the "matrix" had it right? What if you had everything you could possibly want, exactly the way you want it and completely throw any kind of logic out the window? What if you disbelieve the illusion completely? That'd render it irrelevant to you. Even your perception of who and what you are is a symbol interacting within your perspective.

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It's okay, Jesse...I'm so used to being freaked out these days, it's my new normal, heh!!!

But I do kind of disbelieve in the illusion. I've poked so many holes in it and tested it and experimented until I know I have something to do with it. Iow, what meets the eyes, senses, etc: comes from me.

Jesse said: "Even your perception of who and what you are is a symbol interacting within your perspective."

The bold sentence above bugs the hell outta me! Who am I? I always thought spirit. I even sometimes feel I can tell the difference in "my" spirit and the rest of "me." Then Chaol comes along and I'm trying to throw all of it out the window....and be a tabula rasa.

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