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Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

 
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It's okay, Jesse...I'm so used to being freaked out these days, it's my new normal, heh!!!

But I do kind of disbelieve in the illusion. I've poked so many holes in it and tested it and experimented until I know I have something to do with it. Iow, what meets the eyes, senses, etc: comes from me.

Jesse said: "Even your perception of who and what you are is a symbol interacting within your perspective."

The bold sentence above bugs the hell outta me! Who am I? I always thought spirit. I even sometimes feel I can tell the difference in "my" spirit and the rest of "me." Then Chaol comes along and I'm trying to throw all of it out the window....and be a tabula rasa.
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Chaol has said that he prefers to avoid this topic. Apparently it makes him uncomfortable. Im too lazy to scan for quotes... Lol.

But kind-of disbelief is still kind-of belief, so its all good.
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Maybe... you are all powerful... all knowing... forever present in all ways... you've chosen to forget... remember?
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It's okay, Jesse...I'm so used to being freaked out these days, it's my new normal, heh!!!

But I do kind of disbelieve in the illusion. I've poked so many holes in it and tested it and experimented until I know I have something to do with it. Iow, what meets the eyes, senses, etc: comes from me.

Jesse said: "Even your perception of who and what you are is a symbol interacting within your perspective."

The bold sentence above bugs the hell outta me! Who am I? I always thought spirit. I even sometimes feel I can tell the difference in "my" spirit and the rest of "me." Then Chaol comes along and I'm trying to throw all of it out the window....and be a tabula rasa.
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Chaol has said that he prefers to avoid this topic. Apparently it makes him uncomfortable. Im too lazy to scan for quotes... Lol.

But kind-of disbelief is still kind-of belief, so its all good.
hf
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Interesting. Well, when Chaol gets back, it's going to be great to see what he says about our discussions, that's for sure.

After all, isn't he creating 2 different worlds merging in his perspective? heh!
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Okay, I have questions re: Genius on the fly.

I just discovered a symbol I have on the back patio is gone..probably thrown in the trash. That symbol was supposed to stay on the back patio.

Do I change my Genius plan so the space is now trash? Do I create another symbol (same as before) for the patio and put both spaces in my Genius? Or, since that symbol has been moved from the patio (good interaction, eh?), can I create an entirely new symbol? I could also fish the original symbol out of the trash....if that's where it is.

I guess let intuition be my guide? Any thoughts are welcome. And here you go, my mirror!

Edit: I just found my notes from Marshwiggle about the expanded perspective. I think this could be considered Genius-on-the-fly too.

The premise is that you change elements in the Genius (except the goal.) This seems to stimulate things. So, I've gotten freer to do this. We'll see what happens.

In the meantime, I found the symbol in a plastic bucket that was behind the patio door. My housemate thought it was trash so good interaction. Only problem is, the yard men came today with their blowers, so I grabbed it off the patio and brought in the house. So, I took it out of its space. I put it back on the patio as soon as I realized what I did, but I think that won't work.

Now I'm not sure if the space is ruined or if I need to use a new symbol in that space. Sigh!

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A must read:

[link to www.erowid.org]


from the book:
The Doors of Perception
by Aldous Huxley
1963
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A must read:

[link to www.erowid.org]


from the book:
The Doors of Perception
by Aldous Huxley
1963
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I didn't read the whole aticle, but looked through it enough to realize today, I'm finding this kind of thinking everywhere and in accordance with mine.

I posted about it here today:
Thread: Ponderings about waking up and relations...

but didn't go into the rest of my thinking. I don't think that is really the place to get the ball rolling on the biofeedback software I am looking for. It's just a place to plant a seed as far as I can tell.

Anyway, the machine that has caught my eye is iNDIGO. Their blurb:

"The most advanced and comprehensive energetic medicine device on the market today, the INDIGO, is an auto-focusing biofeedback device used by qualified practitioners to evaluate underlying stressors in the body. The INDIGO asseses the levels of stress held in the body by measuring the frequency signature of the cells. This revolutionary modality is based on quantum physics, which recognizes the vibratory nature of the universe. We are essentially made up of no more than information-loaded particles or waves! Using a cybernetic, auto-focusing, feedback loop, (much like an auto-focusing camera lens) the INDIGO reads, corrects and harmonizes aberrant frequencies in the body/mind."

The man behind it is Dr. Bill Nelson and I know he has many associates helping with the programming. Here's an faq which I think is revealing as to what the machine is programmed for.....even though they advertise it for better health.

[link to thequantumalliance.zendesk.com (secure)]

I'm thinking Dr. Nelson might be induced to include opening doors to perception for specialized software. This might be especially true if I use a GENIUS, heh!


Edit: I remember reading about some guys that tried peyote that had aged for something like 7 years. They reported they were all quiet for about an hour or so after taking it and just sat, quietly contemplating their minds opening up. When it was all over, each felt he had new understandings and it opened their minds. (I know this article is talking about using a chemcial instead of the peyote but it's still physical.)

Here's what Chaol says about using substances:
Thread: Neuronics: The future of humanity (Humanity without physicality) (Page 18)

Poster says: "we use something called psilocybe cubensis.

Psilocybe cubensis is a way to influence neurons and other cells in the human body to change what you experience."


Chaol replies: "Sounds interesting, but neuronics is entirely within your mind.

If you use a physical means to influence something that is inherently non-physical the experience will be entirely different.

You will, in effect, not experience the non-physical but the properties of "psilocybe cubensis" itself. Your experience is a property of what you are using to experience it.

You are not, therefore, influencing your neurons. Your neurons are becoming psilocybe cubensis. If you are comfortable with this then by all means..."


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Look what I found:

THE TESLA SHIELD™

Powerful And Advanced Transformational Technology For Mind Body And Soul.


[link to www.lifetechnology.org]


Edit: Just found they have an Eye of Horus Tesla Shield

"THE TESLA SHIELD™ EYE OF HORUS VERSION 1.0 @ $1999.95. Incorporates Upgraded Internal Componentry PLUS Hyperspace Radionics Function PLUS 12 Specially Selected Precious Gemstones Chosen For Their Therapeutic And Metaphysical Properties: Diamond, Emerald, Ruby, Sapphire, Amethyst, Lapis lazuli, Garnet, Turquoise, Quartz, Opal, Aquamarine, Topaz."

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Okay, I have questions re: Genius on the fly.

I just discovered a symbol I have on the back patio is gone..probably thrown in the trash. That symbol was supposed to stay on the back patio.

Do I change my Genius plan so the space is now trash? Do I create another symbol (same as before) for the patio and put both spaces in my Genius? Or, since that symbol has been moved from the patio (good interaction, eh?), can I create an entirely new symbol? I could also fish the original symbol out of the trash....if that's where it is.

I guess let intuition be my guide? Any thoughts are welcome. And here you go, my mirror!

Edit: I just found my notes from Marshwiggle about the expanded perspective. I think this could be considered Genius-on-the-fly too.

The premise is that you change elements in the Genius (except the goal.) This seems to stimulate things. So, I've gotten freer to do this. We'll see what happens.

In the meantime, I found the symbol in a plastic bucket that was behind the patio door. My housemate thought it was trash so good interaction. Only problem is, the yard men came today with their blowers, so I grabbed it off the patio and brought in the house. So, I took it out of its space. I put it back on the patio as soon as I realized what I did, but I think that won't work.

Now I'm not sure if the space is ruined or if I need to use a new symbol in that space. Sigh!
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Don't resist what is experienced.

Your symbol is exactly where it needs to be to make the next logical step with the Genius.
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Okay, I have questions re: Genius on the fly.

I just discovered a symbol I have on the back patio is gone..probably thrown in the trash. That symbol was supposed to stay on the back patio.

Do I change my Genius plan so the space is now trash? Do I create another symbol (same as before) for the patio and put both spaces in my Genius? Or, since that symbol has been moved from the patio (good interaction, eh?), can I create an entirely new symbol? I could also fish the original symbol out of the trash....if that's where it is.

I guess let intuition be my guide? Any thoughts are welcome. And here you go, my mirror!

Edit: I just found my notes from Marshwiggle about the expanded perspective. I think this could be considered Genius-on-the-fly too.

The premise is that you change elements in the Genius (except the goal.) This seems to stimulate things. So, I've gotten freer to do this. We'll see what happens.

In the meantime, I found the symbol in a plastic bucket that was behind the patio door. My housemate thought it was trash so good interaction. Only problem is, the yard men came today with their blowers, so I grabbed it off the patio and brought in the house. So, I took it out of its space. I put it back on the patio as soon as I realized what I did, but I think that won't work.

Now I'm not sure if the space is ruined or if I need to use a new symbol in that space. Sigh!
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Don't resist what is experienced.

Your symbol is exactly where it needs to be to make the next logical step with the Genius.
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OK, it makes sense not to resist what was experienced. By putting the symbol back on the patio, I was trying to resist. I think I should make a new symbol in a new space for that Genius. That would be the expanded Genius.
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Interesting. Thinking about how the strobe light fits in with this.
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Interesting. Thinking about how the strobe light fits in with this.
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And the sun
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Interesting. Thinking about how the strobe light fits in with this.
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And the sun
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Are you talking about the flares?
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Interesting. Thinking about how the strobe light fits in with this.
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And the sun
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Are you talking about the flares?
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The sun strobes too just at a much much higher frequency.
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In a dream last night, for the first time ever, I caught myself considering what I was going to play with in my daytime perceptions.

There were a series of pictures the size of postage stamps or thumbnails, each of them detailed with colorful activities layered one on top of the other, so that there was a depth to the picture. I understood that none of them would become fully alive until I chose one to experiment with.

Each stamp evoked an essence. A value.

I woke up just enough inside the dream to listen in on the discussion I was having with myself over one possibility called "joy". I was actually talking myself out of it! How could I question the experiencing of joy?

There were many others too, like an entire scenario involving the value, "duty", or the value "full comprehension", all represented within a picture the size of a postage stamp.

I fell back asleep, so I don't know what I chose. Time will tell, I guess.
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In a dream last night, for the first time ever, I caught myself considering what I was going to play with in my daytime perceptions.

There were a series of pictures the size of postage stamps or thumbnails, each of them detailed with colorful activities layered one on top of the other, so that there was a depth to the picture. I understood that none of them would become fully alive until I chose one to experiment with.

Each stamp evoked an essence. A value.

I woke up just enough inside the dream to listen in on the discussion I was having with myself over one possibility called "joy". I was actually talking myself out of it! How could I question the experiencing of joy?

There were many others too, like an entire scenario involving the value, "duty", or the value "full comprehension", all represented within a picture the size of a postage stamp.

I fell back asleep, so I don't know what I chose. Time will tell, I guess.
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Very interesting. The pictures layered one on top of the other really catches my attention. That's how I see life/perceptions are...an infinity of layers, nestled within one another.

Yes, can't imagine talking self out of joy. But hey, maybe sleep self talked you into it, heh! Thanks for sharing this.
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Interesting. Thinking about how the strobe light fits in with this.
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And the sun
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Are you talking about the flares?
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The sun strobes too just at a much much higher frequency.
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Makes me think of or own layers of illusion, how they fill our perspective.
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Interesting. Thinking about how the strobe light fits in with this.
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And the sun
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Are you talking about the flares?
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The sun strobes too just at a much much higher frequency.
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I would like to mention that I am seeing strobing effects much more often. I don't know if my eyes are screwed up or if I am simply more aware of this notion of light pulses, but I am, without a doubt, seeing them a lot, both with eyes open and with eyes shut.

One other thing I would like to mention, because sometimes it is brought up much later on and I go, "oh yeah! I saw that!", is these flashes of light that I see continuously in a blue, cloudless sky.

Do you know how sometimes, while you scan the sky with your eyes, that you'll see something from the periphery of your vision and when you go back to look at it more closely, it is a jet way up high, or a bird, or a loose balloon or something?

For the past five months or so, I am seeing these flashes of light in the sky, but when I go back to look at them, they fade into nothing there. I thought I was just "seeing things", as if my vision was messed up, like floaters in my eyes or something. But, these flashes of light are so real and I see them so often, that I want to report that I am definitely seeing something. They are like bursts of bright white light or sometimes golden light, and they have the shapes of spheres.
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Yes, can't imagine talking self out of joy.
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In trying to recall what my argument was, it seems that a scenario involving "joy" in waking life, would also include a degeneration into "not-joy". One goes with the other.

There was also a sensation that "joy" could be had at any time, but that I wanted to work on something with which I was less experienced. Challenges, I suppose.
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It is as if there is some joy to be found in "negative" things like arguing with your spouse or bumping hard into the corner of a piece of furniture. It is as if it is satisfying in some fashion. Otherwise, I suppose, we wouldn't do things like mash our fingers while closing a door or get depressed or whatever other things that seem uncomfortable.
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Hurt so good.
Come on baby, make it hurt so good.
Sometimes love don't feel like it should.
You make it hurt so good

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Hurt so good.
Come on baby, make it hurt so good.
Sometimes love don't feel like it should.
You make it hurt so good


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lol


You got me to thinking about how you can get to a point where the "painful" things just aren't that bad.

Someone was asking me the other day if I get the island, it will be nice to invite people I like to live and visit there.

I thought about it.....and realized, what does if I like them have to do with it? It isn't possible anyway but why would I even want that? Everything doesn't have to be just perfect for me to be happy.

My life is so exciting now, that the "shit stuff" is in the background as an inconvenience. That's a way better place to be than having to be surrounded with people I like. Yeah, it hurts good, heh!
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You got me to thinking about how you can get to a point where the "painful" things just aren't that bad.

Someone was asking me the other day if I get the island, it will be nice to invite people I like to live and visit there.

I thought about it.....and realized, what does if I like them have to do with it? It isn't possible anyway but why would I even want that? Everything doesn't have to be just perfect for me to be happy.

My life is so exciting now, that the "shit stuff" is in the background as an inconvenience. That's a way better place to be than having to be surrounded with people I like. Yeah, it hurts good, heh!
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Hurt so good.
Come on baby, make it hurt so good.
Sometimes love don't feel like it should.
You make it hurt so good


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And this!
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Hello everybody!
Another (former) silent reader.

I have two questions for Chaol, but I think other readers of Chaol may answer too.

Firstly, does death mean anything to the people of Chaol's world? (does it have any meaning at all?)
To the 10-15% of the people who said that they use the Genius in his world?
To Chaol?

Also, i read the tale with the genie a few posts above and I wondered:
Between the "limitless supply of wishes that can come true" (which is boring, as claimed) and the "I wish to not have met the genie" (which allows for the illusion of existence to continue), would there be room for the "I wish to never have to ask (anybody or anything) for any wish to come true"?

I think that this "wish" is more compatible to Chaol's teachings since it represents the acknowledgement that there is nothing/nobody out there to ask for anything and therefore leading to the "I live my life (however, but) without wishing" that is without the expectation for something to come true or not coming true.

what do you think? Would that be possible?

thanks
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Hello everybody!
Another (former) silent reader.

I have two questions for Chaol, but I think other readers of Chaol may answer too.

Firstly, does death mean anything to the people of Chaol's world? (does it have any meaning at all?)
To the 10-15% of the people who said that they use the Genius in his world?
To Chaol?

Also, i read the tale with the genie a few posts above and I wondered:
Between the "limitless supply of wishes that can come true" (which is boring, as claimed) and the "I wish to not have met the genie" (which allows for the illusion of existence to continue), would there be room for the "I wish to never have to ask (anybody or anything) for any wish to come true"?

I think that this "wish" is more compatible to Chaol's teachings since it represents the acknowledgement that there is nothing/nobody out there to ask for anything and therefore leading to the "I live my life (however, but) without wishing" that is without the expectation for something to come true or not coming true.

what do you think? Would that be possible?

thanks
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Death does not exist in Chaol's world just as it does not exist here. It's just part of a logical narrative when someone becomes less relative to our current position.
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Hello everybody!
Another (former) silent reader.

I have two questions for Chaol, but I think other readers of Chaol may answer too.

Firstly, does death mean anything to the people of Chaol's world? (does it have any meaning at all?)
To the 10-15% of the people who said that they use the Genius in his world?
To Chaol?

Also, i read the tale with the genie a few posts above and I wondered:
Between the "limitless supply of wishes that can come true" (which is boring, as claimed) and the "I wish to not have met the genie" (which allows for the illusion of existence to continue), would there be room for the "I wish to never have to ask (anybody or anything) for any wish to come true"?

I think that this "wish" is more compatible to Chaol's teachings since it represents the acknowledgement that there is nothing/nobody out there to ask for anything and therefore leading to the "I live my life (however, but) without wishing" that is without the expectation for something to come true or not coming true.

what do you think? Would that be possible?

thanks
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Who would you ask? Your subconscious is the Genie.

Death does not exist in Chaol's world just as it does not exist here. It's just part of a logical narrative when someone becomes less relative to our current position.
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Thanks for your reply
Death does not exist in Chaol's world just as it does not exist here.

I didnt ask whether it exists or not (Chaol said that people die there too) but if it has any meaning and if so which. To us here, it certainly has (and regardless if it should or shouldn't. I am referring to vanity, heaven, hell, salvation, etc)

Who would you ask? Your subconscious is the Genie.
True. Let me rephrase then:
Is it possible to ask your subconscious to not have to wish again? If so, how do you do that?
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