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Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

 
Jesse Sovoda
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Thanks for your reply
Death does not exist in Chaol's world just as it does not exist here.

I didnt ask whether it exists or not (Chaol said that people die there too) but if it has any meaning and if so which. To us here, it certainly has (and regardless if it should or shouldn't. I am referring to vanity, heaven, hell, salvation, etc)

Who would you ask? Your subconscious is the Genie.
True. Let me rephrase then:
Is it possible to ask your subconscious to not have to wish again? If so, how do you do that?
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You just do it, over and over again (from a hypnosis standpoint). Relax, I mean get really relaxed. Close your eyes and ask for the opportunity to never need to wish again.

Do this once a day, for 21 or so days. It will become part of your perspective and an inherent part of the way you think and make choice. Now, if you're focusing on the "not needing to wish" thing... it may lead you to simply accepting what you have and not desiring to wish instead. The most logical narrative normally plays out.
Maybe... you are all powerful... all knowing... forever present in all ways... you've chosen to forget... remember?
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lol


You got me to thinking about how you can get to a point where the "painful" things just aren't that bad.

Someone was asking me the other day if I get the island, it will be nice to invite people I like to live and visit there.

I thought about it.....and realized, what does if I like them have to do with it? It isn't possible anyway but why would I even want that? Everything doesn't have to be just perfect for me to be happy.

My life is so exciting now, that the "shit stuff" is in the background as an inconvenience. That's a way better place to be than having to be surrounded with people I like. Yeah, it hurts good, heh!
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Oh, thank you. Will do so right now!

hf
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where art thy Chaol?

How can one know if they are ready for the acsension?

thank you
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Hello everybody!
Another (former) silent reader.

I have two questions for Chaol, but I think other readers of Chaol may answer too.

Firstly, does death mean anything to the people of Chaol's world? (does it have any meaning at all?)
To the 10-15% of the people who said that they use the Genius in his world?
To Chaol?

Also, i read the tale with the genie a few posts above and I wondered:
Between the "limitless supply of wishes that can come true" (which is boring, as claimed) and the "I wish to not have met the genie" (which allows for the illusion of existence to continue), would there be room for the "I wish to never have to ask (anybody or anything) for any wish to come true"?

I think that this "wish" is more compatible to Chaol's teachings since it represents the acknowledgement that there is nothing/nobody out there to ask for anything and therefore leading to the "I live my life (however, but) without wishing" that is without the expectation for something to come true or not coming true.

what do you think? Would that be possible?

thanks
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Well hello panoukos. Thanks for dropping in. I might add, I like thought-provoking conversations, so thanks for your question. rockon

In answer to your query, I would like to quote one of my favorite things Chaol has said. Here it is:

"It's all your perception. If some of your perceptions are good while others are bad, then it is difficult to see your reality as a single perspective."

We are learning to use a GENIUS, so we can catch on to how we create our perceptions. And, as we reduce good/bad "choices" along with learning how we create, then we will see a singular perspective.

At this point, I assume one is separate from their creations, seeing they all come from oneself. What that awareness might be like, is something we are wondering about and discussing lately.

Chaol says he also forgets the illusion is an illusion. So I believe it's an awareness (or beingness) state that if not focused on, one is not aware of it much.

How does this correlate to your question? If you feel you want to be in a place of not wanting choices, then just be aware you are placing a value on it.

Once you are aware of that, you have the choice of re-evaluating it or to go with it. Resistance is also valuing, LOL!
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Thanks for your reply
Death does not exist in Chaol's world just as it does not exist here.

I didnt ask whether it exists or not (Chaol said that people die there too) but if it has any meaning and if so which. To us here, it certainly has (and regardless if it should or shouldn't. I am referring to vanity, heaven, hell, salvation, etc)

Who would you ask? Your subconscious is the Genie.
True. Let me rephrase then:
Is it possible to ask your subconscious to not have to wish again? If so, how do you do that?
 Quoting: panoukos


You just do it, over and over again (from a hypnosis standpoint). Relax, I mean get really relaxed. Close your eyes and ask for the opportunity to never need to wish again.

Do this once a day, for 21 or so days. It will become part of your perspective and an inherent part of the way you think and make choice. Now, if you're focusing on the "not needing to wish" thing... it may lead you to simply accepting what you have and not desiring to wish instead. The most logical narrative normally plays out.
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You know what Jesse. Your post just inspired me.

When you mentioned the hypnosis standpoint, I realized that by talking about Chaol's material like we are, over and over, we are kind of in a self-hypnosis.

I always thought of it as looking at something from every single angle I can, but one is in self-hypnosis to do such a thing.

It's also intent (desire), which is in a space with plenty of interaction and creates possibility.

What happens if we each have a unique symbol, in our signature, while talking about these things?


/=
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Jesse, Unit3 thank you for your answers.
You helped me clarify what my question is.
So, there you go!

I asked if it would be possible for somebody from this world to live his/her life by rendering irrelevant any wishing in it. That is, "i dont desire something to experience, or fear something else to experience and therefore i have no reason to wish for something to come true or not to come true."

It is not something that i personally desire for myself, since I don't know why should i wish for such a thing.
I only asked to see if it could have been a 3rd option to the genie tale, or if it is impossible to happen and therefore was not an option to the tale for good reason.

All that because I got the understanding that learning the GENIUS is about having a wish and know how to make it come true, so i guess that maybe we can never cease to wish. Once one has mastered the GENIUS he would then be able to have a wish come true (experience it) after a wish that came true, which will be followed by another wish that will come true until kingdom come.

But on a different note though, i (re) read Unit3's favourite quote (which is one of my favourites too) and here is how i understand her reply.

If your perspective is split between good and bad (which makes you wishing for good or bad), then obviously you cannot have a singular (no good/no bad) perspective of reality. But if this singular perspective does not contain the source of wishing (the good/bad "thing"), then it makes me think that indeed Chaol, as Unit3 claims, through the teaching of GENIUS helps you to understand how you perceive (now, with your dual perspective) by making your wishes come true, but at the end of the road (singular perspective) and somehow inconceivable to us today, you will catch yourself of running out of wishes.

Would that sound a fair reasoning or have i left any holes behind?
If it is fair, then it begs the question: The only way to reach the singular perspective of no wishes is the one through which you know how to (and) have every wish come true?

Please forgive my confusion :)
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where art thy Chaol?

How can one know if they are ready for the acsension?

thank you
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also, Chaol, is there any significance behind 11:11, also can you tell me some interesting things about Thoth and the emerald tablets?

thanks
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Jesse, Unit3 thank you for your answers.
You helped me clarify what my question is.
So, there you go!

I asked if it would be possible for somebody from this world to live his/her life by rendering irrelevant any wishing in it. That is, "i dont desire something to experience, or fear something else to experience and therefore i have no reason to wish for something to come true or not to come true."

It is not something that i personally desire for myself, since I don't know why should i wish for such a thing.
I only asked to see if it could have been a 3rd option to the genie tale, or if it is impossible to happen and therefore was not an option to the tale for good reason.

All that because I got the understanding that learning the GENIUS is about having a wish and know how to make it come true, so i guess that maybe we can never cease to wish. Once one has mastered the GENIUS he would then be able to have a wish come true (experience it) after a wish that came true, which will be followed by another wish that will come true until kingdom come.

But on a different note though, i (re) read Unit3's favourite quote (which is one of my favourites too) and here is how i understand her reply.

If your perspective is split between good and bad (which makes you wishing for good or bad), then obviously you cannot have a singular (no good/no bad) perspective of reality. But if this singular perspective does not contain the source of wishing (the good/bad "thing"), then it makes me think that indeed Chaol, as Unit3 claims, through the teaching of GENIUS helps you to understand how you perceive (now, with your dual perspective) by making your wishes come true, but at the end of the road (singular perspective) and somehow inconceivable to us today, you will catch yourself of running out of wishes.

Would that sound a fair reasoning or have i left any holes behind?
If it is fair, then it begs the question: The only way to reach the singular perspective of no wishes is the one through which you know how to (and) have every wish come true?

Please forgive my confusion :)
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I've no good idea how Chaol would answer your question. I do know, though, that without the darkness, light is irrelevant. With that said, a reality without "something" to "wish" for... may only exist in a moment where you're experiencing exactly what you've wished for. I imagine that only in the relationship between having the possibility of posing a wish and the possibility of not-wishing does the wish exist. Without that relationship wishing/not-wishing is irrelevant.

hf

I could be really far off from the answer you're looking for. rockon
Maybe... you are all powerful... all knowing... forever present in all ways... you've chosen to forget... remember?
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With that said, a reality without "something" to "wish" for... may only exist in a moment where you're experiencing exactly what you've wished for.
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Gee whiz, Jesse. You are getting really good at this!

Let me tell you of a whisp of a memory that I had of living in perfection. Everywhere I looked, in every direction, was perfection. I should have stopped right there and enjoyed where I was at, without questioning it. Instead, I had this thought: "How could everything be so perfect? Is there such a thing as 'imperfection'"?

Boom! Here I am! It was that quick!

But, a paradox presents itself. In experiencing "imperfection", the experience is perfect! Perfection has delivered me into a realm of perfect imperfection.
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Jesse, Unit3 thank you for your answers.
You helped me clarify what my question is.
So, there you go!

I asked if it would be possible for somebody from this world to live his/her life by rendering irrelevant any wishing in it. That is, "i dont desire something to experience, or fear something else to experience and therefore i have no reason to wish for something to come true or not to come true."

It is not something that i personally desire for myself, since I don't know why should i wish for such a thing.
I only asked to see if it could have been a 3rd option to the genie tale, or if it is impossible to happen and therefore was not an option to the tale for good reason.

All that because I got the understanding that learning the GENIUS is about having a wish and know how to make it come true, so i guess that maybe we can never cease to wish. Once one has mastered the GENIUS he would then be able to have a wish come true (experience it) after a wish that came true, which will be followed by another wish that will come true until kingdom come.

But on a different note though, i (re) read Unit3's favourite quote (which is one of my favourites too) and here is how i understand her reply.

If your perspective is split between good and bad (which makes you wishing for good or bad), then obviously you cannot have a singular (no good/no bad) perspective of reality. But if this singular perspective does not contain the source of wishing (the good/bad "thing"), then it makes me think that indeed Chaol, as Unit3 claims, through the teaching of GENIUS helps you to understand how you perceive (now, with your dual perspective) by making your wishes come true, but at the end of the road (singular perspective) and somehow inconceivable to us today, you will catch yourself of running out of wishes.

Would that sound a fair reasoning or have i left any holes behind?
If it is fair, then it begs the question: The only way to reach the singular perspective of no wishes is the one through which you know how to (and) have every wish come true?

Please forgive my confusion :)
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No problem with confusion. We learn by asking and we learn by teaching. I'm glad you're trying to get something straight in your mind. I do it all the time. And wait until we get into learning the language...I'll probably drive you guys nuts, LOL!

Okay, here's what I understand.

The reason we are learning how to use the Genius is so we can see HOW we create our perspectives. Once we see HOW we create.....then we are in a different level of awareness.

Once we are at that level of awareness, we know we are creating illusions, and that's a whole different thing than creating because we want something.

It makes it easier to see HOW you are creating and also that you are creating one single perspective, if you don't have whole lot of "good" and "bad" perceptions.

So there are really 2 things we are working on to get to Chaol's level. We are learning good and bad are not so good and bad. And, we are learning how we create our ONE SINGLE PERSPECTIVE. There is only one perspective.....mine! (or yours).

And really, once you see that good/bad is getting in the way of seeing your one perspective, it sort of takes the juice out of good/bad.

Well, it does if you really want to experience another level of awareness, imo.
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Very insightful, Unit3. I think you've got it.
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If "Time" really is an Illusion, how does one go from one place, or another, in a second, without any help from machines and anything technological?
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Chaol has been using the word "perspective", which we have learned is correct and apt for what he has been teaching us.

However, there has been loads of information in the body of metaphysical lore that refers to "fragments". I think that references to "fragments" are equal to the idea of "perspective".

There is only one perspective, but that single perspective fragments into countless other perspectives. There is a definition of a "fragment" that I like: anything that can be named with a noun or a verb is a fragment.

Each fragment is a world unto itself. Each fragment is a unique perspective. But, just as described in ideas of a "holographic universe", each fragment also contains the whole.

Something I didn't comprehend years ago, but I think that now I do, is that new information will alter a fragment. New information will change a perspective.
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Something I didn't comprehend years ago, but I think that now I do, is that new information will alter a fragment. New information will change a perspective.
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I think this is why Chaol asks us, "What have you included in your perspective?"
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If "Time" really is an Illusion, how does one go from one place, or another, in a second, without any help from machines and anything technological?
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The mind uses symbols that seem logical to us to construct our "reality."
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Yeah. I don't know enough about time to be able to tell anybody much about it, but technology on the "outside" is actually a mental process that we see as a tangible piece of equipment. It is a symbol emerging from thought. So, using technology on the "outside" is the very same as using it on the "inside".

Somewhere in these threads, Chaol mentions that technology that we use is all alive and as "human" as we are.
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Something I didn't comprehend years ago, but I think that now I do, is that new information will alter a fragment. New information will change a perspective.
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I think this is why Chaol asks us, "What have you included in your perspective?"
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Information would be in the form of light pulses.
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Chaol, I love marijuana.

What is your perception on marihuana?

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Gespenst, here's the NASA announcement we've been waiting on...magnetic highway at the end of the Solar System....


[link to www.rawstory.com]
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Even though we have learned that space is not physical, this article about reaching the very edges of our solar system still excites my neurons. Look at what we have here with the Voyagers I and II: symbols, logic, interaction and possibilty. All of the gods are involved.
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But isn't everything physical?
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Planets are physical, space is possibility. Ah-ha moment for me!

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Chaol has been using the word "perspective", which we have learned is correct and apt for what he has been teaching us.

However, there has been loads of information in the body of metaphysical lore that refers to "fragments". I think that references to "fragments" are equal to the idea of "perspective".

There is only one perspective, but that single perspective fragments into countless other perspectives. There is a definition of a "fragment" that I like: anything that can be named with a noun or a verb is a fragment.

Each fragment is a world unto itself. Each fragment is a unique perspective. But, just as described in ideas of a "holographic universe", each fragment also contains the whole.

Something I didn't comprehend years ago, but I think that now I do, is that new information will alter a fragment. New information will change a perspective.
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Would expanding one's perspective mean inclusion of new fragments into our frame of reference?
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There is only one perspective, but that single perspective fragments into countless other perspectives.
Each fragment is a world unto itself. Each fragment is a unique perspective. But, just as described in ideas of a "holographic universe", each fragment also contains the whole.

Something I didn't comprehend years ago, but I think that now I do, is that new information will alter a fragment. New information will change a perspective.
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If there is only one perspective, fragmented into countless (but finite) perspectives and if each fragment/perspective contains the whole, then where the "new" could/would come from?

Chaol has stated that nothing is created (and therefore nothing dies*), which means that "new" does not exist. "New", doesn't change perspectives


However, please allow me to supplement your thought

As I think of it, or understand it, is that in order to have "a" perspective it requires to have "a" question and "an" answer. If one has no questions (because he knows everything maybe), then there is no perspective (or, you can say "directionless", or has everything in his perspective). The same applies, I assume, if you have unanswerable questions or answers that you dont know the question. Or else we can say, it is not in your perspective, it doesn't exist, because you cannot relate a question to an answer. "This", does not exist because either you dont know what "this" is, or because you haven't asked what "this" is. If you have, then "this" exists, in your perspective.

As we all know, the "meaning in ("my") life" is situated where "my" questions point it to be. By changing questions -that "I" ask in "my" life- "I" change the "meaning in my life" (or what I define meaning in my life) and thus perspective.

In that context, I understand the "expanded perspective" as the process by which you somehow keep on asking questions after answers, until you decide to arrive to conclusions, where is the place one rests because he got bored of thinking, as they say and wants to live :)

With the same token, methinks, if i change questions, I change my reality. So, the questions I ask determine the "size" of my reality or how expanded my big picture/reality is.

The way you form these questions is through letters/words in a logical manner (grammar/syntax), creating something like a string of symbols, which makes it important consequently, to know what words/symbols to use for the purpose.
Let's not forget the truism that even the deepest secret in the universe will be told in a language that we understand and with words that we already know and exist.

The above of course refer to what I understand (bring into my perspective :)), or misunderstand, when i read Chaol writing about "the perspective...". I hope it helped, if i have not misunderstood Chaol and not been boring.


*If immortal is something that never dies, then the only immortal is the one that has never been born. So, if nothing has been born (created), then everything is immortal. This is how Chaol has suggested us to think of him, afew pages back if I remember.

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Life and immortality have naught to do with birth and death.
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There is only one perspective, but that single perspective fragments into countless other perspectives.
Each fragment is a world unto itself. Each fragment is a unique perspective. But, just as described in ideas of a "holographic universe", each fragment also contains the whole.

Something I didn't comprehend years ago, but I think that now I do, is that new information will alter a fragment. New information will change a perspective.
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If there is only one perspective, fragmented into countless (but finite) perspectives and if each fragment/perspective contains the whole, then where the "new" could/would come from?
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The new comes from focusing on something else than the usual.



I love what you said here:

"Let's not forget the truism that even the deepest secret in the universe will be told in a language that we understand and with words that we already know and exist."


Oh, how I have tried to discuss this with people who tell me about all their experiences with the Divine. They don't want to hear it. If you read NDE's and trips to heaven/hell, you can see the belief system at work. I have experienced this myself.

Every "spiritual" experience I have ever had, fit into my belief system at the time. Since I've changed my mind so many times, it's easy to see how the programming explains the experience, LOL!!!!

I am now trying to program myself to enter a world that Chaol says is a "culture" shock. Since I've been places that were a culture shock to me and I have also been with others who feel they were experiencing one, the main thing I notice is it helps if someone is there to program you to understand what you are seeing.

Strange, eh?

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i am not going to lie. you people need to chillout with this stuff.

maybe start with a hobby.

from my perspective you all sound like a bunch of looney tunes.
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Hey Cat Carel you should readd the forum to your site. Ive been banned for a while and im sure many others are.

And if you know proecsys(x)y that bypass glp post tutorial on site.

Thanks

Ive also had success with genius will post once I get unbanned. My genius plan was to see a shooting star.
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Hey Cat Carel you should readd the forum to your site. Ive been banned for a while and im sure many others are.

And if you know proecsys(x)y that bypass glp post tutorial on site.

Thanks

Ive also had success with genius will post once I get unbanned. My genius plan was to see a shooting star.
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Been wondering where you've been. How about a Genius so you can register with GLP? rockon
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We're Looney Tunes? I call dibs on the Roarunner!
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Dibs on Tweety Bird!!!!!!!!
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