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Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

 
Chaol

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The cult goes on. I am all for opening your mind to the reality you inhabit, but fuck...the people following Choad are fucking morons.
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Perhaps the most ignorant that we can be is thinking that our perceptions are not our own.

That, somehow, "that over there" is not us. (What an awesome trick.) What are we if not your own perceptions? Residents of your own perspective? That is to say, YOU?

I'm sure you're reading this response, however. Surely you must see how you yourself have been following this thread for about two weeks and, indeed, are experiencing your own perceptions.

We can only resist ourselves.

To be angry at a thread that does not provide the answer you seek is unfair because 1) you did not ask the question; and 2) what thread could?

You have only to ask the question that you have been ignoring since 'it' first happened.

You're welcome to ask, "Why the fuck did... happen to me" and fill it with all the anger as you'd like. Right now it is the only relevant question.

The blue plastic record spins on the turntable, but is the music real?

I will consider your personally-directed anger as nothing more than an interesting introduction. All is of course forgiven because nothing wrong was done.

So when you've shouted out the question please let me know and I will help you to find out why.

Perhaps you will be amazed :)
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Found this little gem and in Chaol's own words re: photos and videos of his world.

I noticed we do speak Ecsys to 'teleport.'

And I found this called "Ecsys Love":

+S,+I
+I,P
P,+L



I'm going to "push" the current experience into what would be called the distant future.

The world a few very interesting photos or videos would create does not compare to the world an "instructional guide" would create. Why show you a picture when I can just take you there, instead?

Can you imagine a piece of paper that performs the same function as a galaxy filled with supercomputers? Being able to 'teleport' to an other dimension from the extended sound of your own voice? Learning a language 500x more efficient than English and, thus, being able to process information exponentially faster than you currently do as you begin to think in it instead of slow and cumbersome English?

As is said.. "watch this space"

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"We are the music makers. And we are the dreamers of dreams." Willy Wonka
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for the curious.. December 21 is not the "end" of anything other than a type of calendar.

It is the last part-day of one and the start of an other.

The new era is a new type of humanity. It's the same thing I've been talking about for a few years, although for me it's 2013.

It is highly unlikely that anything significant will happen on that day (other than reactions by humans) and more likely that 'things' related to the new era will take 1-2 months to manifest.

just for your reference :)
 Quoting: Chaol




Hi Chaol.

I'm wondering if some will manifest it in their reality since they have poured so much into it?
 Quoting: Unit3


I'd think so, if it is logical in a useful way.
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda




Me too and esp. since I didn't experience an eq that was within 7 miles of my home. Oh yeahhhhhh, perspective trumps EVERYTHING!!!!!!
"We are the music makers. And we are the dreamers of dreams." Willy Wonka
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Just found this. I've been keeping an eye out for games that exercise the mind.

[link to www.gravitation3d.com]


"This program requires an OpenGL accelerated graphics card, and will require you to install the .Net 2.0 Runtime. It will also place a shortcut on your desktop to the program."
"We are the music makers. And we are the dreamers of dreams." Willy Wonka
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The cult goes on. I am all for opening your mind to the reality you inhabit, but fuck...the people following Choad are fucking morons.
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Perhaps the most ignorant that we can be is thinking that our perceptions are not our own.

That, somehow, "that over there" is not us. (What an awesome trick.) What are we if not your own perceptions? Residents of your own perspective? That is to say, YOU?

I'm sure you're reading this response, however. Surely you must see how you yourself have been following this thread for about two weeks and, indeed, are experiencing your own perceptions.

We can only resist ourselves.

To be angry at a thread that does not provide the answer you seek is unfair because 1) you did not ask the question; and 2) what thread could?

You have only to ask the question that you have been ignoring since 'it' first happened.

You're welcome to ask, "Why the fuck did... happen to me" and fill it with all the anger as you'd like. Right now it is the only relevant question.

The blue plastic record spins on the turntable, but is the music real?

I will consider your personally-directed anger as nothing more than an interesting introduction. All is of course forgiven because nothing wrong was done.

So when you've shouted out the question please let me know and I will help you to find out why.

Perhaps you will be amazed :)
 Quoting: Chaol


Dear Choad,

You speak in vague generalizations, mixed with obscure statements that create the illusion of specifics. You have become very adept at being an excellent charlatan.

I am not a victim. Charlatans love victims because they are vulnerable. They have secrets, that you make them believe you already know about. It makes you seem meta-human in their eyes. My life has been rather pleasant and any perceived injustices have been made peace with.

Also, I actually have been ignoring this threads for months. I stop in and try to make the vulnerable think. You tell these people how to perceive their reality. That isn't salvation, that is entrapment into your cult.

People...listen to those who explore reality, but avoid those who tell the Tao of exploring it.

This guy is a Choad. He is a message board Charlie Manson before the killing spree.

Free your mind, don't let Choad boy program it.
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The cult goes on. I am all for opening your mind to the reality you inhabit, but fuck...the people following Choad are fucking morons.
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Perhaps the most ignorant that we can be is thinking that our perceptions are not our own.

That, somehow, "that over there" is not us. (What an awesome trick.) What are we if not your own perceptions? Residents of your own perspective? That is to say, YOU?

I'm sure you're reading this response, however. Surely you must see how you yourself have been following this thread for about two weeks and, indeed, are experiencing your own perceptions.

We can only resist ourselves.

To be angry at a thread that does not provide the answer you seek is unfair because 1) you did not ask the question; and 2) what thread could?

You have only to ask the question that you have been ignoring since 'it' first happened.

You're welcome to ask, "Why the fuck did... happen to me" and fill it with all the anger as you'd like. Right now it is the only relevant question.

The blue plastic record spins on the turntable, but is the music real?

I will consider your personally-directed anger as nothing more than an interesting introduction. All is of course forgiven because nothing wrong was done.

So when you've shouted out the question please let me know and I will help you to find out why.

Perhaps you will be amazed :)
 Quoting: Chaol


Dear Choad,

You speak in vague generalizations, mixed with obscure statements that create the illusion of specifics. You have become very adept at being an excellent charlatan.

I am not a victim. Charlatans love victims because they are vulnerable. They have secrets, that you make them believe you already know about. It makes you seem meta-human in their eyes. My life has been rather pleasant and any perceived injustices have been made peace with.

Also, I actually have been ignoring this threads for months. I stop in and try to make the vulnerable think. You tell these people how to perceive their reality. That isn't salvation, that is entrapment into your cult.

People...listen to those who explore reality, but avoid those who tell the Tao of exploring it.

This guy is a Choad. He is a message board Charlie Manson before the killing spree.

Free your mind, don't let Choad boy program it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30290363


I appreciate your point of view, but your fear of this "Chaol" fellow is unwarranted. He is a "light" entertainer and nothing more. Free your mind and don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
Consider the possibility that you order yourself into being from chaos... You do this, always, in all ways. This "ordering" has resulted in the possibilities you're experiencing, here, now. In each experience you've ever had, more and more of "this" reality is generated logically from your previous experience. Your observation of this unfolding of order and chaos is reality.
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I wish we had another way to communicate other than this site...
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We could use telegraph, email or smoke signal. What's your preference?
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Any other form that don't give bans for having different opinions sounds good!
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We could use a PalTalk chat room and lock it. Or start a Facebook page for Ecsys and keep it private.

Edit: The only thing though, is Chaol created this space here. I kinda don't want to leave it.
 Quoting: Unit3


It's fine if you branch out. It's natural.
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Chaol.

Please tell us about your time away. How were things in your world?

Also - I have a suspicion that the pyramid of Giza will play a big role on the 21st. Do you think it will be involved in the activities of the day?

Not-Chaol
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Did Chaol explain what the revelation was that split our worlds?


Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe": Meeting in the new Dream reality

My world is the dream world. To myself it is just called reality. But from your perspective it is as a dream. Some years ago our worlds were as one. It would still be so if it were not for a powerful revelation that split our worlds into two.
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It is kind of like your "9/11" but some years before and of a different flavor.
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Chaol makes this statement:

Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking. (Page 43)

"Again, the closer the dream world is the more dream-like your world will be until it "passes right through you". You could say, by then you have become something else entirely.

Or, more accurately, your perspective has shifted automatically.

(If it did not, you would not be able to perceive any changes.)

That's why I say there is nothing to do. Because there isn't. It happens automatically.

In the dream world you will more quickly realize how you create your reality."




If there is nothing to do and the perspective shifts automatically, then why are we trying to learn Ec?
 Quoting: Unit3


You also learn how to breathe automatically. But being aware of the process not only enables you to breathe more effectively but also to manage your breath to your advantage (while exploring the depths of a lake, for example).
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1 bottle (240 capsule) it last me 1 month and half. I take 3 capsule daily. I was diagnose with dyslexia and taking etherium gold it help me a lot.
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Did you experience any kind of detox with it?
 Quoting: Unit3


None. But I have been experienced vivid dream every night. I used Chaol's Re: Notes from an "alternate universe": Meeting in the new Dream reality technique for a while (since June 2012) and with help of etherium gold it make easier to manifest for me. I don't know how I can explain it to you but my life in perspective as well physical being have been wonderful since I have been using Chaol's protocol.
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Thank you. This is exciting. WhooHooo! I had been wondering if the whole body system needed attention since Chaol says Neuronics is throughout the cellular structure. (my paraphrase, I'll have to find the exact quote if I can.)
[snips]
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It could be said that neurons are an illustration of perspective.
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Did Chaol explain what the revelation was that split our worlds?


Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe": Meeting in the new Dream reality

My world is the dream world. To myself it is just called reality. But from your perspective it is as a dream. Some years ago our worlds were as one. It would still be so if it were not for a powerful revelation that split our worlds into two.
 Quoting: Unit3


Ecsys is the revelation. We are our perspective.

PGA
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How did the revelation of Ecsys split the worlds?
 Quoting: Unit3


Possibilities are inherent throughout a perspective. Indeed, every perspective is a possibility.

When I say that it 'split' the worlds I mean to say that it was a tremendous bifurcation of perspective, affecting all past/present/future.

My world is a large part of your world all ready. We are your dream world.

So you could say that the revelation created what we call the dream world. (Although, more accurately, it was a more physical expression of its creation. As it existed all ready.)
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That was the other Chaol ("Perpective (being) Chaol") made those statement. The current Chaol you have been talking to is perspective/reality Chaol.
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Ummmm, okaaaay. Guess I need a little more information. How is there another Chaol and am I to disregard what he says?
Thanks
 Quoting: Unit3


Chaol created a ecsys model to remain here and answer questions while he was back in his world.
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Very interesting.

1) So why did this model I have been talking to have to leave then?
2) I had asked about the statement the "other" Chaol made. He says we will learn Ec automatically. Is this a true statement?
3) Or, if we learn it automatically, are you saying we still won't have knowledge of how we use it (such as now)?
 Quoting: Unit3


Hi.

1) As it becomes less relevant the "coming" or "going" is a part of the narrative. Neither happen, but this is how it is expressed on this forum. (As would my leaving be.)

2) You know all of this all ready. When do you not use the Genius, or neuronics, or Ec? It's a somewhat tricky statement, as you know it now.

3) You just call it something else and make it more complicated that it is.
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Very interesting.

1) So why did this model I have been talking to have to leave then?
2) I had asked about the statement the "other" Chaol made. He says we will learn Ec automatically. Is this a true statement?
3) Or, if we learn it automatically, are you saying we still won't have knowledge of how we use it (such as now)?
 Quoting: Unit3


you have never talked to the model. You came to the thread after Chaol returned. You already use EC all the time naturally. You are slowly gaining an understanding of it's use. Keep up the good work.
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Thank you. I appreciate it.

Can I learn I create my perceptions through learning how to use the Genius? Or, is it only through learning the language that I will see this?
 Quoting: Unit3


Most likely, the Genius, as it seems to be the easiest to understand here.

No creation. Just perception. (And on an other level, there is no perception. But I suppose we'll get to that soon enough.)
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Ahhhh! ;o)

Yes, I'm thinking of a more "live' technology. I thought maybe my Genius could help either bring it from your world or at least get ours more advanced to close the gap somewhat.

And I'm counting on intuition to tell me when it's "the" technology resulting from my Genius.
 Quoting: Unit3


hehe.. me thinks there would be a severe "culture shock".

I get it, too, if I go someplace new.

Our most valuable technology, in my opinion, is use of the neuronicons. Though this may take some time to understand, there's nothing you cannot do with it.
 Quoting: Chaol





I was thinking there might be way for a new technology to download it to the human mind?
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Me too. That's why I was posting about technology recently.

Also, I guess I'll go ahead and bring this up. I had a friend who had a library downloaded to his mind. He said he will never have to read a book again. Wonder if we can make a Genius for something like this?
 Quoting: Unit3


That seems to be quite difficult. I've never heard of such. But it would be much easier to create the library anew. This wouldn't be the same thing, of course.

Some of you may, in your dreams, experience reading (or writing) something that you have never read or wrote before.
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[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

A great start to a thread from another who sees how all of the actors and roles are created.
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As I mentioned some time ago, this is the year when the 'actors' begin to be exposed. You may have seen this recently in the latest news drama.

This is so that you will see that you are not only the audience but also the actors on stage.
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[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

A great start to a thread from another who sees how all of the actors and roles are created.
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As I mentioned some time ago, this is the year when the 'actors' begin to be exposed. You may have seen this recently in the latest news drama.

This is so that you will see that you are not only the audience but also the actors on stage.
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Hmmm I never thought of myself as the actor.
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Did Chaol explain what the revelation was that split our worlds?


Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe": Meeting in the new Dream reality

My world is the dream world. To myself it is just called reality. But from your perspective it is as a dream. Some years ago our worlds were as one. It would still be so if it were not for a powerful revelation that split our worlds into two.
 Quoting: Unit3


It is kind of like your "9/11" but some years before and of a different flavor.
 Quoting: Chaol


I thought our worlds divereged by the time of industrial revolution

PS: Welcome back!
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Very interesting.

1) So why did this model I have been talking to have to leave then?
2) I had asked about the statement the "other" Chaol made. He says we will learn Ec automatically. Is this a true statement?
3) Or, if we learn it automatically, are you saying we still won't have knowledge of how we use it (such as now)?
 Quoting: Unit3


you have never talked to the model. You came to the thread after Chaol returned. You already use EC all the time naturally. You are slowly gaining an understanding of it's use. Keep up the good work.
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Thank you. I appreciate it.

Can I learn I create my perceptions through learning how to use the Genius? Or, is it only through learning the language that I will see this?
 Quoting: Unit3


Most likely, the Genius, as it seems to be the easiest to understand here.

No creation. Just perception. (And on an other level, there is no perception. But I suppose we'll get to that soon enough.)
 Quoting: Chaol


"No perception" in the way none of this "really exists"? Or "no perception" as in there is something to be perceived yet remains outside of our capability to directly perceive it? Or no perception like we experience memory, generating experience through imagination but where nothing is technically being perceived except a projection? Or "no perception" as in we cannot form memories to carry over information from one frame to next (each frame no longer relevant to the next)?
5a
Consider the possibility that you order yourself into being from chaos... You do this, always, in all ways. This "ordering" has resulted in the possibilities you're experiencing, here, now. In each experience you've ever had, more and more of "this" reality is generated logically from your previous experience. Your observation of this unfolding of order and chaos is reality.
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Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe": Meeting in the new Dream reality

My world is the dream world. To myself it is just called reality. But from your perspective it is as a dream. Some years ago our worlds were as one. It would still be so if it were not for a powerful revelation that split our worlds into two.
 Quoting: Unit3


It is kind of like your "9/11" but some years before and of a different flavor.
 Quoting: Chaol


I thought our worlds divereged by the time of industrial revolution

PS: Welcome back!
 Quoting: miqq


Hi.

Yes. I don't mean a couple of years before your 2001. It was some time before that (around the Industrial Revolution).

Nice to be back :)
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you have never talked to the model. You came to the thread after Chaol returned. You already use EC all the time naturally. You are slowly gaining an understanding of it's use. Keep up the good work.
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Thank you. I appreciate it.

Can I learn I create my perceptions through learning how to use the Genius? Or, is it only through learning the language that I will see this?
 Quoting: Unit3


Most likely, the Genius, as it seems to be the easiest to understand here.

No creation. Just perception. (And on an other level, there is no perception. But I suppose we'll get to that soon enough.)
 Quoting: Chaol


"No perception" in the way none of this "really exists"? Or "no perception" as in there is something to be perceived yet remains outside of our capability to directly perceive it? Or no perception like we experience memory, generating experience through imagination but where nothing is technically being perceived except a projection? Or "no perception" as in we cannot form memories to carry over information from one frame to next (each frame no longer relevant to the next)?
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The most ancient of secrets! :)
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Thank you. I appreciate it.

Can I learn I create my perceptions through learning how to use the Genius? Or, is it only through learning the language that I will see this?
 Quoting: Unit3


Most likely, the Genius, as it seems to be the easiest to understand here.

No creation. Just perception. (And on an other level, there is no perception. But I suppose we'll get to that soon enough.)
 Quoting: Chaol


"No perception" in the way none of this "really exists"? Or "no perception" as in there is something to be perceived yet remains outside of our capability to directly perceive it? Or no perception like we experience memory, generating experience through imagination but where nothing is technically being perceived except a projection? Or "no perception" as in we cannot form memories to carry over information from one frame to next (each frame no longer relevant to the next)?
5a
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The most ancient of secrets! :)
 Quoting: Chaol


Oh, you tease.

It seems that without some mystery to ponder we may be like a ship too close to a dark foggy shore lacking a lighthouse. If I squint hard enough maybe Ill see it before the crash.
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Consider the possibility that you order yourself into being from chaos... You do this, always, in all ways. This "ordering" has resulted in the possibilities you're experiencing, here, now. In each experience you've ever had, more and more of "this" reality is generated logically from your previous experience. Your observation of this unfolding of order and chaos is reality.
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I really liked the idea. It was fun. Then I began learning the fundamentals. As I began, the idea was exciting and I felt enlightenment.

However,

Reading the language of ecsys and neuronics, the constitution example doesn't fit the teachings. It goes on to explain what positive and negative symbols are, yet provides a correct how it's written example that is false. Showing flawed understanding by the supposed teacher.

I will further try and learn the mechanics and report my findings.

It's important I note the theory and basis of thinking in a quicker language is potentially ground breaking and what interests me.

As from as percept..ing different realities, literally, has yet to be proven. I think this is yet another gross exaggeration of the truth. If everything was how I perceived the relationship then I would have full control and be alone. However I am not alone. We are all here fixed on this perception which is perceived exactly how all of us on earth have effected it over its history.

If I kill your brother, you're relationship hasn't changed till you find out. In your reality your perception stays the same until you find out what I did. Thus your perception lagging behind this reality that I just took control of. Without your perception knowing.

So we aren't really untrained beings with control of our perception to relationships. We are a result of cause and effect making perceived choices that eventually manifest into our world because we percieved the physical steps needed to take, to produce a wanted physical product.

I guess I'll play the skeptic on this one.

Just a bit of mho. All love. I will post my thoughts as I go. Please inform me if I'm not grasping. Discussion welcome.
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I think the word you confused perception with imagination.

If not what is the difference?

Or maybe this was some sheep inception?*

Late night deception?

I claim Bullshit detection.

Why? No shill inspection ;)
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Just checking in to say hi to everyone!

I've been offline for a long while. It's been very dreamlike lately... having to perceive the illness, agony and final departure of a friend's father, offering help to ease the situation, and at the same time learning to ride horses in a nearby ranch.

I've missed being on this thread and you Chaol, though I've often seen the white dot in the corner of my eye (that you mentioned a while back, as I recall...).

My first Genius symbol keeps working, even if it fell apart and sits quietly in my bag now.

Lots of pages to catch up on, I guess... It feels great to be back, and the dream goes on :)
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With "the Genius" what techniques should one use to properly assign the meaning to the symbol? By what steps do we come to focus the logic and possibility space effectively enough to come to experience that which the symbol represents. It seems to me that my genius models have been entirely effective yet my ability to determine exactly what it is I'd like to experience via the genius is somehow off.

I used a genius symbol a while back to "expand my awareness". While considering the symbol I had considered "expand my awareness" to mean something far different from what I intended. My experience with the "expansion of awareness" seems to be of limited scope.

What is the right way to wish to the genie?

Is it by not wishing and instead intending with focus?

Is "the genius" a tool customized to focus our intent on a specific experience? If so, how is it that we come to obtain proper focus? Is that the purpose of ecsys? The words and symbols we've been using have infected us and although they work within the framework of the environment that supposedly generated them, they also limit us to it. By convincing ourselves that all that we perceive is represented by a rule set with the opportunity to explore the rules, we provide us an alternate way to define our frame of reference and in turn we experience an alternate frame of reference.

I still don't understand ecsys beyond that. I've found myself pondering whether I could just make up a few dozen characters in some (maybe even random) way and assign meaning to them that I currently cannot describe successfully with the language I've been accustomed to. By doing so, will I be essentially using ecsys to define my frame of reference? Up until we write our own language are we simply living in a world defined by others? If so, then an awakening could be interpreted to be shedding of the requirement to define perspective with the same terms that had been born by it.

Maybe our awareness that we are both a part of and apart from all of "this" allows us to move beyond it.

hf

Glad to see you Ambra.

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Consider the possibility that you order yourself into being from chaos... You do this, always, in all ways. This "ordering" has resulted in the possibilities you're experiencing, here, now. In each experience you've ever had, more and more of "this" reality is generated logically from your previous experience. Your observation of this unfolding of order and chaos is reality.
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Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.
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Most likely, the Genius, as it seems to be the easiest to understand here.

No creation. Just perception. (And on an other level, there is no perception. But I suppose we'll get to that soon enough.)
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"No perception" in the way none of this "really exists"? Or "no perception" as in there is something to be perceived yet remains outside of our capability to directly perceive it? Or no perception like we experience memory, generating experience through imagination but where nothing is technically being perceived except a projection? Or "no perception" as in we cannot form memories to carry over information from one frame to next (each frame no longer relevant to the next)?
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The most ancient of secrets! :)
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Oh, you tease.

It seems that without some mystery to ponder we may be like a ship too close to a dark foggy shore lacking a lighthouse. If I squint hard enough maybe Ill see it before the crash.
hf
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It's your ancient secret ("deep, dark", as it would be said).

It's one of those things that we don't want to think about. As it implies that we would not exist. Indeed, it is the thing we don't want to consider. Only in an abstract way, perhaps.

It's something I've covered at length so the basics are no secret for me. Only the practical applications.

If you cannot perceive of something directly then what are you actually perceiving?
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I really liked the idea. It was fun. Then I began learning the fundamentals. As I began, the idea was exciting and I felt enlightenment.

However,

Reading the language of ecsys and neuronics, the constitution example doesn't fit the teachings. It goes on to explain what positive and negative symbols are, yet provides a correct how it's written example that is false. Showing flawed understanding by the supposed teacher.

I will further try and learn the mechanics and report my findings.

It's important I note the theory and basis of thinking in a quicker language is potentially ground breaking and what interests me.

As from as percept..ing different realities, literally, has yet to be proven. I think this is yet another gross exaggeration of the truth. If everything was how I perceived the relationship then I would have full control and be alone. However I am not alone. We are all here fixed on this perception which is perceived exactly how all of us on earth have effected it over its history.

If I kill your brother, you're relationship hasn't changed till you find out. In your reality your perception stays the same until you find out what I did. Thus your perception lagging behind this reality that I just took control of. Without your perception knowing.

So we aren't really untrained beings with control of our perception to relationships. We are a result of cause and effect making perceived choices that eventually manifest into our world because we percieved the physical steps needed to take, to produce a wanted physical product.

I guess I'll play the skeptic on this one.

Just a bit of mho. All love. I will post my thoughts as I go. Please inform me if I'm not grasping. Discussion welcome.
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It's a bit amusing to consider that I don't understand the own language I have illustrated.

Anyways, Ec is not meant to be used at this time.

As I mention in the post above (for something else) the basics are there and have been covered at length but the practical applications are not really discussed.

The enterprising mind will figure it out for one self.

If it makes you more comfortable to think it's just a random hoax that actually sits fine with me. It just means you weren't meant to discover it for your self.

I can point the way but you have to get there with your own two feet.
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"No perception" in the way none of this "really exists"? Or "no perception" as in there is something to be perceived yet remains outside of our capability to directly perceive it? Or no perception like we experience memory, generating experience through imagination but where nothing is technically being perceived except a projection? Or "no perception" as in we cannot form memories to carry over information from one frame to next (each frame no longer relevant to the next)?
5a
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


The most ancient of secrets! :)
 Quoting: Chaol


Oh, you tease.

It seems that without some mystery to ponder we may be like a ship too close to a dark foggy shore lacking a lighthouse. If I squint hard enough maybe Ill see it before the crash.
hf
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


It's your ancient secret ("deep, dark", as it would be said).

It's one of those things that we don't want to think about. As it implies that we would not exist. Indeed, it is the thing we don't want to consider. Only in an abstract way, perhaps.

It's something I've covered at length so the basics are no secret for me. Only the practical applications.

If you cannot perceive of something directly then what are you actually perceiving?
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You'd be perceiving an inferential experience?

I think that that inference is made by our intent and is subject to the logic in the system by which we perceive. We are basically choosing what we experience at all times. It's just that on the most basic level we (as we currently can perceive our sense of self) do not exist. Am I off?
Consider the possibility that you order yourself into being from chaos... You do this, always, in all ways. This "ordering" has resulted in the possibilities you're experiencing, here, now. In each experience you've ever had, more and more of "this" reality is generated logically from your previous experience. Your observation of this unfolding of order and chaos is reality.
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Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.
And the physical manifestation on the November 17th nexus? Anybody noticed anything?

A volcano in New Zealand erupted without warning...
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This one was a bit strange to me but I've since discovered that it is a sort of reconfiguration of the physical world.

The nexus effected all physicality, introducing far greater possibilities in the human dimension.

What does this actually mean? It sets the stage for the dreamworld-physicalworld experiences in 2013.

When something has more of the ability to do something it, of course, becomes more likely to occur.

Consider it an upgrade, if you will. (But no need to read into it further.)


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