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Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

 
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Greetings!

If I may, a thought experiment.

Imagine that each probability that exists is a pathway.

There are many different types of pathways such as hallways, walkways and corridors, alleyways, midways, streets and avenues, broadways, highways, etc.

So, we have different "sizes" of probabilities. Some probabilities are more related to other probabilities so thus become "larger" as more things travel on them. A road can become a highway as more cars travel on it, for example.

Further, each probability can connect with any other probability. Any two or more pathways can connect, forming a "nexus of probabilities".

The more probabilities that connect, the larger the nexus is and the easier it is to travel. (Because the more probabilities that interact with it, the more relative it is to the probability you are experiencing. This enables you to not only walk down the street and have different things happen but also to travel in spacetime (as long as where you are going is relative to where you are most experienced).)


There are representations of this in outer space that you sometimes call 'black holes' and sometimes call other things. These 'black holes' exist everywhere to some degree. The larger the black hole, so to speak, the more relative it is to that which meets it.

You can see less relative representations of these nexi in physical places like street corners. Some corners (and the areas surrounding them) will be good for business or social exchanges, for example. Usually, the greater this metaphysical nexus is the greater the physical pathway becomes. Thus, we have cities, families, ideas, encounters, etc., all illustrating their shrinking or growing metaphysical nexus.

You can think of the center of a galaxy as a combining of probabilities both literally and figuratively. But these 'black holes' can also be found in your body and time/space, and everywhere else.

It's simply the force of attraction/repulsion (the element Chaon in ecsys).

Here's the interesting part. When probabilities comprising a nexus are being added at a substantial rate (and, thus, becoming 'too big' for itself) the probabilities will usually clump together and taper off the nexus. At this point it will continue to 'add to' a smaller nexus.

Our worlds began to diverge just before your industrial revolution (and what would have been the time of our industrial revolution).

A few hundred years ago there were many probabilities comprising this nexus. The feedback and feedforward of the concepts and activities surrounding the industrial revolution eventually enabled the polyfurcation of these probabilities.

Thus, there are now *many* worlds just like your own that are at their own stages of development, all having substantially diverged from yours nearly 300 hundred years ago.

Most likely there will soon be a scientific breakthrough in your world that will enable development of "warp drive" based not on traversing physical space but utilizing these ever-present nexus points to combine the "here" with the "there".

It is no different than experiencing a smell by using memory to recall a smell from 10 years ago rather than recreating the same smell in the present. Not using memory (a "black hole") will eventually sound as ridiculous to you as using rocket fuel to reach the moon. You already connect to non-physical worlds on a smaller scale (such as with intuition, or even sight/sound). You just don't realize how real these experiences are yet.

When we use a computer, for example, it is not that we are interacting with a separate physical object to perform tasks. The physical object is simply a (non-physical) representation of a miniature solar system of concepts. The computer is no more real that the word or even the thought of it. You've developed these representations in order to do something you could not otherwise do.

We can use our minds to add 1+1, or we can use a calculator.

Eventually (probably) you will be able to connect to a massive network using your mind instead of computer hardware. The "physical" representations you use now to perform these non-physical tasks is just so that the concepts and tools can be formed internally.

It is similar to you, as a baby, trying to verbalize words using your vocal cords in order to be able to *think* in a new way and do things you could not previously do.

So when you're looking at a physical object you're looking at a 'black hole'. Other things have combined together in a nexus of probabilities. In one probability the chair is a lake, in the other the lake is a chair. You can "get to the lake from the chair", so to speak.

When this world realizes that physical distance (and distance in time) is not absolute then we will begin to do things that science fiction hasn't even come up with yet. Things that I cannot even begin to explain.

This is most likely to occur after the current period, when it is realized the 'changes' most of us have envisioned would occur (for example, with 2012) are representations of non-physical changes. Like a dream.

It all begins with Representation.

Thanks.
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Just found this...and thought some of you might enjoy reading it again. Kewl stuff!!!!
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Hello!

Seeing as interest has waned in this particular forum, I want to thank everyone for engaging before I leave again (a bit longer this time).

I will probably return somewhere between August 26-September 4, 2010, as that is the next biggest nexus of probability here.

The current nexus is changing somewhat, so it will be much easier to return to whence I came now than, say, next week.

If anyone is interested in HD photos, video, and other multimedia from the world I live in, please express your interest and it will be provided.

This is only the beginning.

Good night, everyone :)

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Okay, I couldn't resist. I know I said I posted the last one for the night, but I can't help myself.

Chaol blew my mind with this post.........and what followed after is hilarious. They tried to figure out the code. I'm too tired to stay up to see if Chaol ever explained it. I'll be back on it tomorrow, LOL!!!
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Did those videos, HD photos and other multimedia ever get provided?
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I was told they didn't manifest because it was decided people would focus on the messenger rather than the message.
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for the curious.. December 21 is not the "end" of anything other than a type of calendar.

It is the last part-day of one and the start of an other.

The new era is a new type of humanity. It's the same thing I've been talking about for a few years, although for me it's 2013.

It is highly unlikely that anything significant will happen on that day (other than reactions by humans) and more likely that 'things' related to the new era will take 1-2 months to manifest.

just for your reference :)
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Hi Chaol.

I'm wondering if some will manifest it in their reality since they have poured so much into it?
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for the curious.. December 21 is not the "end" of anything other than a type of calendar.

It is the last part-day of one and the start of an other.

The new era is a new type of humanity. It's the same thing I've been talking about for a few years, although for me it's 2013.

It is highly unlikely that anything significant will happen on that day (other than reactions by humans) and more likely that 'things' related to the new era will take 1-2 months to manifest.

just for your reference :)
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Hi Chaol.

I'm wondering if some will manifest it in their reality since they have poured so much into it?
 Quoting: Unit3


I'd think so, if it is logical in a useful way.
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The cult goes on. I am all for opening your mind to the reality you inhabit, but fuck...the people following Choad are fucking morons.
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Perhaps the most ignorant that we can be is thinking that our perceptions are not our own.

That, somehow, "that over there" is not us. (What an awesome trick.) What are we if not your own perceptions? Residents of your own perspective? That is to say, YOU?

I'm sure you're reading this response, however. Surely you must see how you yourself have been following this thread for about two weeks and, indeed, are experiencing your own perceptions.

We can only resist ourselves.

To be angry at a thread that does not provide the answer you seek is unfair because 1) you did not ask the question; and 2) what thread could?

You have only to ask the question that you have been ignoring since 'it' first happened.

You're welcome to ask, "Why the fuck did... happen to me" and fill it with all the anger as you'd like. Right now it is the only relevant question.

The blue plastic record spins on the turntable, but is the music real?

I will consider your personally-directed anger as nothing more than an interesting introduction. All is of course forgiven because nothing wrong was done.

So when you've shouted out the question please let me know and I will help you to find out why.

Perhaps you will be amazed :)
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Found this little gem and in Chaol's own words re: photos and videos of his world.

I noticed we do speak Ecsys to 'teleport.'

And I found this called "Ecsys Love":

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P,+L



I'm going to "push" the current experience into what would be called the distant future.

The world a few very interesting photos or videos would create does not compare to the world an "instructional guide" would create. Why show you a picture when I can just take you there, instead?

Can you imagine a piece of paper that performs the same function as a galaxy filled with supercomputers? Being able to 'teleport' to an other dimension from the extended sound of your own voice? Learning a language 500x more efficient than English and, thus, being able to process information exponentially faster than you currently do as you begin to think in it instead of slow and cumbersome English?

As is said.. "watch this space"

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for the curious.. December 21 is not the "end" of anything other than a type of calendar.

It is the last part-day of one and the start of an other.

The new era is a new type of humanity. It's the same thing I've been talking about for a few years, although for me it's 2013.

It is highly unlikely that anything significant will happen on that day (other than reactions by humans) and more likely that 'things' related to the new era will take 1-2 months to manifest.

just for your reference :)
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Hi Chaol.

I'm wondering if some will manifest it in their reality since they have poured so much into it?
 Quoting: Unit3


I'd think so, if it is logical in a useful way.
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Me too and esp. since I didn't experience an eq that was within 7 miles of my home. Oh yeahhhhhh, perspective trumps EVERYTHING!!!!!!
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Just found this. I've been keeping an eye out for games that exercise the mind.

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"This program requires an OpenGL accelerated graphics card, and will require you to install the .Net 2.0 Runtime. It will also place a shortcut on your desktop to the program."
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The cult goes on. I am all for opening your mind to the reality you inhabit, but fuck...the people following Choad are fucking morons.
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Perhaps the most ignorant that we can be is thinking that our perceptions are not our own.

That, somehow, "that over there" is not us. (What an awesome trick.) What are we if not your own perceptions? Residents of your own perspective? That is to say, YOU?

I'm sure you're reading this response, however. Surely you must see how you yourself have been following this thread for about two weeks and, indeed, are experiencing your own perceptions.

We can only resist ourselves.

To be angry at a thread that does not provide the answer you seek is unfair because 1) you did not ask the question; and 2) what thread could?

You have only to ask the question that you have been ignoring since 'it' first happened.

You're welcome to ask, "Why the fuck did... happen to me" and fill it with all the anger as you'd like. Right now it is the only relevant question.

The blue plastic record spins on the turntable, but is the music real?

I will consider your personally-directed anger as nothing more than an interesting introduction. All is of course forgiven because nothing wrong was done.

So when you've shouted out the question please let me know and I will help you to find out why.

Perhaps you will be amazed :)
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Dear Choad,

You speak in vague generalizations, mixed with obscure statements that create the illusion of specifics. You have become very adept at being an excellent charlatan.

I am not a victim. Charlatans love victims because they are vulnerable. They have secrets, that you make them believe you already know about. It makes you seem meta-human in their eyes. My life has been rather pleasant and any perceived injustices have been made peace with.

Also, I actually have been ignoring this threads for months. I stop in and try to make the vulnerable think. You tell these people how to perceive their reality. That isn't salvation, that is entrapment into your cult.

People...listen to those who explore reality, but avoid those who tell the Tao of exploring it.

This guy is a Choad. He is a message board Charlie Manson before the killing spree.

Free your mind, don't let Choad boy program it.
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The cult goes on. I am all for opening your mind to the reality you inhabit, but fuck...the people following Choad are fucking morons.
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Perhaps the most ignorant that we can be is thinking that our perceptions are not our own.

That, somehow, "that over there" is not us. (What an awesome trick.) What are we if not your own perceptions? Residents of your own perspective? That is to say, YOU?

I'm sure you're reading this response, however. Surely you must see how you yourself have been following this thread for about two weeks and, indeed, are experiencing your own perceptions.

We can only resist ourselves.

To be angry at a thread that does not provide the answer you seek is unfair because 1) you did not ask the question; and 2) what thread could?

You have only to ask the question that you have been ignoring since 'it' first happened.

You're welcome to ask, "Why the fuck did... happen to me" and fill it with all the anger as you'd like. Right now it is the only relevant question.

The blue plastic record spins on the turntable, but is the music real?

I will consider your personally-directed anger as nothing more than an interesting introduction. All is of course forgiven because nothing wrong was done.

So when you've shouted out the question please let me know and I will help you to find out why.

Perhaps you will be amazed :)
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Dear Choad,

You speak in vague generalizations, mixed with obscure statements that create the illusion of specifics. You have become very adept at being an excellent charlatan.

I am not a victim. Charlatans love victims because they are vulnerable. They have secrets, that you make them believe you already know about. It makes you seem meta-human in their eyes. My life has been rather pleasant and any perceived injustices have been made peace with.

Also, I actually have been ignoring this threads for months. I stop in and try to make the vulnerable think. You tell these people how to perceive their reality. That isn't salvation, that is entrapment into your cult.

People...listen to those who explore reality, but avoid those who tell the Tao of exploring it.

This guy is a Choad. He is a message board Charlie Manson before the killing spree.

Free your mind, don't let Choad boy program it.
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I appreciate your point of view, but your fear of this "Chaol" fellow is unwarranted. He is a "light" entertainer and nothing more. Free your mind and don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
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I wish we had another way to communicate other than this site...
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We could use telegraph, email or smoke signal. What's your preference?
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Any other form that don't give bans for having different opinions sounds good!
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We could use a PalTalk chat room and lock it. Or start a Facebook page for Ecsys and keep it private.

Edit: The only thing though, is Chaol created this space here. I kinda don't want to leave it.
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It's fine if you branch out. It's natural.
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Chaol.

Please tell us about your time away. How were things in your world?

Also - I have a suspicion that the pyramid of Giza will play a big role on the 21st. Do you think it will be involved in the activities of the day?

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Did Chaol explain what the revelation was that split our worlds?


Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe": Meeting in the new Dream reality

My world is the dream world. To myself it is just called reality. But from your perspective it is as a dream. Some years ago our worlds were as one. It would still be so if it were not for a powerful revelation that split our worlds into two.
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It is kind of like your "9/11" but some years before and of a different flavor.
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Chaol makes this statement:

Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking. (Page 43)

"Again, the closer the dream world is the more dream-like your world will be until it "passes right through you". You could say, by then you have become something else entirely.

Or, more accurately, your perspective has shifted automatically.

(If it did not, you would not be able to perceive any changes.)

That's why I say there is nothing to do. Because there isn't. It happens automatically.

In the dream world you will more quickly realize how you create your reality."




If there is nothing to do and the perspective shifts automatically, then why are we trying to learn Ec?
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You also learn how to breathe automatically. But being aware of the process not only enables you to breathe more effectively but also to manage your breath to your advantage (while exploring the depths of a lake, for example).
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1 bottle (240 capsule) it last me 1 month and half. I take 3 capsule daily. I was diagnose with dyslexia and taking etherium gold it help me a lot.
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Did you experience any kind of detox with it?
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None. But I have been experienced vivid dream every night. I used Chaol's Re: Notes from an "alternate universe": Meeting in the new Dream reality technique for a while (since June 2012) and with help of etherium gold it make easier to manifest for me. I don't know how I can explain it to you but my life in perspective as well physical being have been wonderful since I have been using Chaol's protocol.
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Thank you. This is exciting. WhooHooo! I had been wondering if the whole body system needed attention since Chaol says Neuronics is throughout the cellular structure. (my paraphrase, I'll have to find the exact quote if I can.)
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It could be said that neurons are an illustration of perspective.
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Did Chaol explain what the revelation was that split our worlds?


Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe": Meeting in the new Dream reality

My world is the dream world. To myself it is just called reality. But from your perspective it is as a dream. Some years ago our worlds were as one. It would still be so if it were not for a powerful revelation that split our worlds into two.
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Ecsys is the revelation. We are our perspective.

PGA
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How did the revelation of Ecsys split the worlds?
 Quoting: Unit3


Possibilities are inherent throughout a perspective. Indeed, every perspective is a possibility.

When I say that it 'split' the worlds I mean to say that it was a tremendous bifurcation of perspective, affecting all past/present/future.

My world is a large part of your world all ready. We are your dream world.

So you could say that the revelation created what we call the dream world. (Although, more accurately, it was a more physical expression of its creation. As it existed all ready.)
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That was the other Chaol ("Perpective (being) Chaol") made those statement. The current Chaol you have been talking to is perspective/reality Chaol.
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Ummmm, okaaaay. Guess I need a little more information. How is there another Chaol and am I to disregard what he says?
Thanks
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Chaol created a ecsys model to remain here and answer questions while he was back in his world.
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Very interesting.

1) So why did this model I have been talking to have to leave then?
2) I had asked about the statement the "other" Chaol made. He says we will learn Ec automatically. Is this a true statement?
3) Or, if we learn it automatically, are you saying we still won't have knowledge of how we use it (such as now)?
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Hi.

1) As it becomes less relevant the "coming" or "going" is a part of the narrative. Neither happen, but this is how it is expressed on this forum. (As would my leaving be.)

2) You know all of this all ready. When do you not use the Genius, or neuronics, or Ec? It's a somewhat tricky statement, as you know it now.

3) You just call it something else and make it more complicated that it is.
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Very interesting.

1) So why did this model I have been talking to have to leave then?
2) I had asked about the statement the "other" Chaol made. He says we will learn Ec automatically. Is this a true statement?
3) Or, if we learn it automatically, are you saying we still won't have knowledge of how we use it (such as now)?
 Quoting: Unit3


you have never talked to the model. You came to the thread after Chaol returned. You already use EC all the time naturally. You are slowly gaining an understanding of it's use. Keep up the good work.
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Thank you. I appreciate it.

Can I learn I create my perceptions through learning how to use the Genius? Or, is it only through learning the language that I will see this?
 Quoting: Unit3


Most likely, the Genius, as it seems to be the easiest to understand here.

No creation. Just perception. (And on an other level, there is no perception. But I suppose we'll get to that soon enough.)
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Ahhhh! ;o)

Yes, I'm thinking of a more "live' technology. I thought maybe my Genius could help either bring it from your world or at least get ours more advanced to close the gap somewhat.

And I'm counting on intuition to tell me when it's "the" technology resulting from my Genius.
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hehe.. me thinks there would be a severe "culture shock".

I get it, too, if I go someplace new.

Our most valuable technology, in my opinion, is use of the neuronicons. Though this may take some time to understand, there's nothing you cannot do with it.
 Quoting: Chaol





I was thinking there might be way for a new technology to download it to the human mind?
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Me too. That's why I was posting about technology recently.

Also, I guess I'll go ahead and bring this up. I had a friend who had a library downloaded to his mind. He said he will never have to read a book again. Wonder if we can make a Genius for something like this?
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That seems to be quite difficult. I've never heard of such. But it would be much easier to create the library anew. This wouldn't be the same thing, of course.

Some of you may, in your dreams, experience reading (or writing) something that you have never read or wrote before.
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A great start to a thread from another who sees how all of the actors and roles are created.
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As I mentioned some time ago, this is the year when the 'actors' begin to be exposed. You may have seen this recently in the latest news drama.

This is so that you will see that you are not only the audience but also the actors on stage.
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A great start to a thread from another who sees how all of the actors and roles are created.
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As I mentioned some time ago, this is the year when the 'actors' begin to be exposed. You may have seen this recently in the latest news drama.

This is so that you will see that you are not only the audience but also the actors on stage.
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Hmmm I never thought of myself as the actor.
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Did Chaol explain what the revelation was that split our worlds?


Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe": Meeting in the new Dream reality

My world is the dream world. To myself it is just called reality. But from your perspective it is as a dream. Some years ago our worlds were as one. It would still be so if it were not for a powerful revelation that split our worlds into two.
 Quoting: Unit3


It is kind of like your "9/11" but some years before and of a different flavor.
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I thought our worlds divereged by the time of industrial revolution

PS: Welcome back!
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Very interesting.

1) So why did this model I have been talking to have to leave then?
2) I had asked about the statement the "other" Chaol made. He says we will learn Ec automatically. Is this a true statement?
3) Or, if we learn it automatically, are you saying we still won't have knowledge of how we use it (such as now)?
 Quoting: Unit3


you have never talked to the model. You came to the thread after Chaol returned. You already use EC all the time naturally. You are slowly gaining an understanding of it's use. Keep up the good work.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5877556



Thank you. I appreciate it.

Can I learn I create my perceptions through learning how to use the Genius? Or, is it only through learning the language that I will see this?
 Quoting: Unit3


Most likely, the Genius, as it seems to be the easiest to understand here.

No creation. Just perception. (And on an other level, there is no perception. But I suppose we'll get to that soon enough.)
 Quoting: Chaol


"No perception" in the way none of this "really exists"? Or "no perception" as in there is something to be perceived yet remains outside of our capability to directly perceive it? Or no perception like we experience memory, generating experience through imagination but where nothing is technically being perceived except a projection? Or "no perception" as in we cannot form memories to carry over information from one frame to next (each frame no longer relevant to the next)?
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Did Chaol explain what the revelation was that split our worlds?


Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe": Meeting in the new Dream reality

My world is the dream world. To myself it is just called reality. But from your perspective it is as a dream. Some years ago our worlds were as one. It would still be so if it were not for a powerful revelation that split our worlds into two.
 Quoting: Unit3


It is kind of like your "9/11" but some years before and of a different flavor.
 Quoting: Chaol


I thought our worlds divereged by the time of industrial revolution

PS: Welcome back!
 Quoting: miqq


Hi.

Yes. I don't mean a couple of years before your 2001. It was some time before that (around the Industrial Revolution).

Nice to be back :)
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you have never talked to the model. You came to the thread after Chaol returned. You already use EC all the time naturally. You are slowly gaining an understanding of it's use. Keep up the good work.
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Thank you. I appreciate it.

Can I learn I create my perceptions through learning how to use the Genius? Or, is it only through learning the language that I will see this?
 Quoting: Unit3


Most likely, the Genius, as it seems to be the easiest to understand here.

No creation. Just perception. (And on an other level, there is no perception. But I suppose we'll get to that soon enough.)
 Quoting: Chaol


"No perception" in the way none of this "really exists"? Or "no perception" as in there is something to be perceived yet remains outside of our capability to directly perceive it? Or no perception like we experience memory, generating experience through imagination but where nothing is technically being perceived except a projection? Or "no perception" as in we cannot form memories to carry over information from one frame to next (each frame no longer relevant to the next)?
5a
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The most ancient of secrets! :)
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Thank you. I appreciate it.

Can I learn I create my perceptions through learning how to use the Genius? Or, is it only through learning the language that I will see this?
 Quoting: Unit3


Most likely, the Genius, as it seems to be the easiest to understand here.

No creation. Just perception. (And on an other level, there is no perception. But I suppose we'll get to that soon enough.)
 Quoting: Chaol


"No perception" in the way none of this "really exists"? Or "no perception" as in there is something to be perceived yet remains outside of our capability to directly perceive it? Or no perception like we experience memory, generating experience through imagination but where nothing is technically being perceived except a projection? Or "no perception" as in we cannot form memories to carry over information from one frame to next (each frame no longer relevant to the next)?
5a
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


The most ancient of secrets! :)
 Quoting: Chaol


Oh, you tease.

It seems that without some mystery to ponder we may be like a ship too close to a dark foggy shore lacking a lighthouse. If I squint hard enough maybe Ill see it before the crash.
hf
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I really liked the idea. It was fun. Then I began learning the fundamentals. As I began, the idea was exciting and I felt enlightenment.

However,

Reading the language of ecsys and neuronics, the constitution example doesn't fit the teachings. It goes on to explain what positive and negative symbols are, yet provides a correct how it's written example that is false. Showing flawed understanding by the supposed teacher.

I will further try and learn the mechanics and report my findings.

It's important I note the theory and basis of thinking in a quicker language is potentially ground breaking and what interests me.

As from as percept..ing different realities, literally, has yet to be proven. I think this is yet another gross exaggeration of the truth. If everything was how I perceived the relationship then I would have full control and be alone. However I am not alone. We are all here fixed on this perception which is perceived exactly how all of us on earth have effected it over its history.

If I kill your brother, you're relationship hasn't changed till you find out. In your reality your perception stays the same until you find out what I did. Thus your perception lagging behind this reality that I just took control of. Without your perception knowing.

So we aren't really untrained beings with control of our perception to relationships. We are a result of cause and effect making perceived choices that eventually manifest into our world because we percieved the physical steps needed to take, to produce a wanted physical product.

I guess I'll play the skeptic on this one.

Just a bit of mho. All love. I will post my thoughts as I go. Please inform me if I'm not grasping. Discussion welcome.
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I think the word you confused perception with imagination.

If not what is the difference?

Or maybe this was some sheep inception?*

Late night deception?

I claim Bullshit detection.

Why? No shill inspection ;)
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Just checking in to say hi to everyone!

I've been offline for a long while. It's been very dreamlike lately... having to perceive the illness, agony and final departure of a friend's father, offering help to ease the situation, and at the same time learning to ride horses in a nearby ranch.

I've missed being on this thread and you Chaol, though I've often seen the white dot in the corner of my eye (that you mentioned a while back, as I recall...).

My first Genius symbol keeps working, even if it fell apart and sits quietly in my bag now.

Lots of pages to catch up on, I guess... It feels great to be back, and the dream goes on :)
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With "the Genius" what techniques should one use to properly assign the meaning to the symbol? By what steps do we come to focus the logic and possibility space effectively enough to come to experience that which the symbol represents. It seems to me that my genius models have been entirely effective yet my ability to determine exactly what it is I'd like to experience via the genius is somehow off.

I used a genius symbol a while back to "expand my awareness". While considering the symbol I had considered "expand my awareness" to mean something far different from what I intended. My experience with the "expansion of awareness" seems to be of limited scope.

What is the right way to wish to the genie?

Is it by not wishing and instead intending with focus?

Is "the genius" a tool customized to focus our intent on a specific experience? If so, how is it that we come to obtain proper focus? Is that the purpose of ecsys? The words and symbols we've been using have infected us and although they work within the framework of the environment that supposedly generated them, they also limit us to it. By convincing ourselves that all that we perceive is represented by a rule set with the opportunity to explore the rules, we provide us an alternate way to define our frame of reference and in turn we experience an alternate frame of reference.

I still don't understand ecsys beyond that. I've found myself pondering whether I could just make up a few dozen characters in some (maybe even random) way and assign meaning to them that I currently cannot describe successfully with the language I've been accustomed to. By doing so, will I be essentially using ecsys to define my frame of reference? Up until we write our own language are we simply living in a world defined by others? If so, then an awakening could be interpreted to be shedding of the requirement to define perspective with the same terms that had been born by it.

Maybe our awareness that we are both a part of and apart from all of "this" allows us to move beyond it.

hf

Glad to see you Ambra.

Last Edited by MutantMessiah on 12/19/2012 06:53 PM
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