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Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

 
Chaol

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Chaol, I'm wondering about the statement you made (in this thread)

Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking. (Page 77)


"Choose to be someone else that you can logically be right now, or forever be an energy stuck in the current loop."

1) Do you still see this split as a probable event?
3) What or who is responsible for this split?
3) Why is it occurring?

Thanks.
 Quoting: Unit3


Hi. 1) it has all ready; 2) you are; 3) it does at every moment and at every angle. But sometimes those 'angles' align and you get a big 'split'

When one relates only with what one knows the value of the relationships diminish.

The more we learn to relate with what is not "us" the more valuable those relationships become.

When you introduce new perspectives into your experience you are able to see your experience more clearly than if you had not. (Although some of us may not accept the new perspective and conflicts arise.)
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When I got on this ride I had no clue that was how things worked. I used to think what i saw on tv/news was real. I believed the politicians, entertainers, etc. were real people. Now I know they are all actors. I used to believe in wars, terrorists, 9/11, AIDS, etc. Now I know they are all hoaxes. You don't find any value in a perspective that recognizes all these things as illusions rather than reality? I find a value in understanding it's all just entertainment.
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Are not we all actors?

What would it mean?
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I think that the video was created at the same time as ecsys.org, but I'm not sure... I remember Chaol speaking about a friend who came here to 'this universe' with him but I can't find the reply anymore.

@CatCarel, the site is wonderful! Awesome work!


And something that I think that's interesting: Chaol said that "Stories will be written about the next month." (December), and I found this yesterday: [link to www.dailymail.co.uk]

Maybe it's the begining?
 Quoting: Gespenst


Wow! Great find. Thanks. I hope it is the beginning. He also said, "something for everyone" re: the 17th nexus.
 Quoting: Unit3


Many of us will interpret the new physicality as being alien in origin.

The possibility of "alien" life on Earth (visiting, living, etc.) is a logical narrative.

It's just a way for us to make sense of it.

Most of what we see "out there" is ourselves.

The rest is still ourselves but less relevant.

Flowing rivers on Triton, inhabitable Earths just a short distance away, expanded UFO sightings and experiences... all part of the narrative.

Isn't it fun to see it unfold before your eyes?
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I think that the video was created at the same time as ecsys.org, but I'm not sure... I remember Chaol speaking about a friend who came here to 'this universe' with him but I can't find the reply anymore.

@CatCarel, the site is wonderful! Awesome work!


And something that I think that's interesting: Chaol said that "Stories will be written about the next month." (December), and I found this yesterday: [link to www.dailymail.co.uk]

Maybe it's the begining?
 Quoting: Gespenst


Wow! Great find. Thanks. I hope it is the beginning. He also said, "something for everyone" re: the 17th nexus.
 Quoting: Unit3


Many of us will interpret the new physicality as being alien in origin.

The possibility of "alien" life on Earth (visiting, living, etc.) is a logical narrative.

It's just a way for us to make sense of it.

Most of what we see "out there" is ourselves.

The rest is still ourselves but less relevant.

Flowing rivers on Triton, inhabitable Earths just a short distance away, expanded UFO sightings and experiences... all part of the narrative.

Isn't it fun to see it unfold before your eyes?
 Quoting: Chaol


Yes, my friendly and wise tour guide, it is.
Consider the possibility that you order yourself into being from chaos... You do this, always, in all ways. This "ordering" has resulted in the possibilities you're experiencing, here, now. In each experience you've ever had, more and more of "this" reality is generated logically from your previous experience. Your observation of this unfolding of order and chaos is reality.
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Hi Chaol,

I was wondering where the first eternal spirit originated from, if it was first surrounded by black nothingness?

Thanks
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Hi.

The question presupposes such a spirit exists.

Thus, I am unable to respond properly.

Perhaps you can define it a bit more?
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Just checking in to say hi to everyone!

I've been offline for a long while. It's been very dreamlike lately... having to perceive the illness, agony and final departure of a friend's father, offering help to ease the situation, and at the same time learning to ride horses in a nearby ranch.

I've missed being on this thread and you Chaol, though I've often seen the white dot in the corner of my eye (that you mentioned a while back, as I recall...).

My first Genius symbol keeps working, even if it fell apart and sits quietly in my bag now.

Lots of pages to catch up on, I guess... It feels great to be back, and the dream goes on :)
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Good to see you back, Ambra -I was wondering about you :)
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Chaol: I noticed that whenever someone talks about the soul, you keep acting like you don't know we are talking about. If you think there is only perspective (relationship of symbols), but no soul, how do you describe happiness? What is happiness then? What is love then?
Why do I feel happy when I keep thinking about things I like? When I visualize a nice meadow with lots of tulips? When I am thinking about my three kids and my wife? When I am thinking about peace and love? Why is that I feel awful when I watch a pro-Israeli propaganda on youtube or hear people quarreling?
If there is no soul, what feels these emotions? How do I know by nature what is good and what is bad (good meaning what brings me closer to actually who I am)?
Why is that I always feel bad when Sekhmet (the warrior goddess) pops up now and then in the thread? How do you describe this bad feeling? You say there is no such thing as good or bad, just what seems so from my perspective. And yet I can still feel exactly what is good or bad at any time, independent from what symbols are nearby or relative to me.
 Quoting: madcaddy


You imply that happiness does not depend on relation?

All of your examples above are of you relating to something else (i.e., what makes you happy).

Love, happiness, etc., is much more abstract than, say, a chair because "love" can relate to many more things than a chair could.

If a chair was more universal then perhaps we'd have trouble defining it, too.

However, I'm not saying that "soul" does not exist. I simply do not define it the way that the questions regarding soul are set up. They are irrelevant to me.

We sometimes speak of soul as though it were somehow separate from what we are.

You don't need a soul to experience emotions or to feel. That's a myth. It does nothing but separates us from our perspectives (the rocks that feel, for example).

By the way, Sekhmet is more of a mediator between perspectives. It's a value in your own perspective, like the number 6 is. You can say that the number 6 has an evil history but it would be missing the point and making a symbol out to be something that it's not.

Good and bad feelings are up to you. They're not defined and universally applicable.

Just curious, though... How do you know if something is bringing you closer to who you are?
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Chaol: I noticed that whenever someone talks about the soul, you keep acting like you don't know we are talking about. If you think there is only perspective (relationship of symbols), but no soul, how do you describe happiness? What is happiness then? What is love then?
Why do I feel happy when I keep thinking about things I like? When I visualize a nice meadow with lots of tulips? When I am thinking about my three kids and my wife? When I am thinking about peace and love? Why is that I feel awful when I watch a pro-Israeli propaganda on youtube or hear people quarreling?
If there is no soul, what feels these emotions? How do I know by nature what is good and what is bad (good meaning what brings me closer to actually who I am)?
Why is that I always feel bad when Sekhmet (the warrior goddess) pops up now and then in the thread? How do you describe this bad feeling? You say there is no such thing as good or bad, just what seems so from my perspective. And yet I can still feel exactly what is good or bad at any time, independent from what symbols are nearby or relative to me.
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Emotions represent possibility.
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Clever ;)
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Hi Chaol,

I was wondering where the first eternal spirit originated from, if it was first surrounded by black nothingness?

Thanks
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Everything is nothing and nothing is everything.
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Why and when did nothing decide it wanted to be everything?

Thanks
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I would say that it is not a decision but more of an illusion.

For we are still nothing.

The illusion is "everything" (with the implication that we are something).

Again, a discussion for an other time.
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Jesse, isn't it also possible that what we in our world call "Godlike experiences" could also be experiences of the Divine......which in Chaol's world they call something else within their perspective?

In other words, aren't both worlds assigning meanings to experiences? And if one believes in God, they call it a Divine experience? And if one believes they are God (such as in Chaol's world), call it something else...maybe an experience beyond perception?
 Quoting: Unit3


There is nothing beyond perspective. It's a mathematical impossibility. All that is and isn't = perspective.
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Did you create yourself?
 Quoting: Unit3


Did you perceive yourself?

Yes and no.

Yes in that you perceive something (or at least it seems like it).

No in that you do not really.

We don't need to perceive of something directly to seem like we exist.

That is the beauty of it all.

"Nothing" has changed yet "nothing" remains the same.
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There is nothing beyond perspective. It's a mathematical impossibility. All that is and isn't = perspective.
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Did you create yourself?
 Quoting: Unit3


Is that possible? If you are perspective and perspective is everything could you create yourself? Could you even perceive yourself?
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Doesn't perspective indicate an observer?

Chaol says we will learn that WE CREATE OUR PERSPECTIVE! If this is so, then someone is creating the perspective and this someone also observes it.
 Quoting: Unit3


Perhaps. But there is no real or true perspective.

It is an illusion for which there is no observer.

Again, a discussion for an other time and when we're off of the basics.
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Juuuust bumping this. It's pertinent to the current discussion here.
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Nonetheless, I am gaining terrific insight knowing that everything that seems to be "separate" is actually my Self. I have understood people better, thereby understanding my Self better. More things slide off my back.

I am fascinated with exploring the processes of my Self. Not the things that manifest as a result of these processes, but the why's and the wherefore's of it all.

There is a grandeur to my Self that I was not fully appreciating before. I mean, just take a look around! The sky, the birds, flowers, clouds, stars and galaxies. There is a breathless beauty in me!

I especially enjoy being able to steer my reality in the directions I like. It just takes a little attention to what one is dreaming.
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Yes. Everything in your perspective is you (obviously).

But from what could be called an other perspective.

Your hand is more relative to what you are and you have developed a logical narrative (a persistent physical body) that keeps it around you in your experience.

But when you experience less relative values of your perspective (walking along the grass, for example) you think it is separate from "you" because it is not as relative as your hand is.

But you are as much the grass and you are your hand or brain, etc.

It's just a different way of looking at yourself. (And the relevance is only an illusion. "Nothing" does not actually separate itself.)
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The most ancient of secrets! :)
 Quoting: Chaol


Oh, you tease.

It seems that without some mystery to ponder we may be like a ship too close to a dark foggy shore lacking a lighthouse. If I squint hard enough maybe Ill see it before the crash.
hf
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


It's your ancient secret ("deep, dark", as it would be said).

It's one of those things that we don't want to think about. As it implies that we would not exist. Indeed, it is the thing we don't want to consider. Only in an abstract way, perhaps.

It's something I've covered at length so the basics are no secret for me. Only the practical applications.

If you cannot perceive of something directly then what are you actually perceiving?
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You'd be perceiving an inferential experience?

I think that that inference is made by our intent and is subject to the logic in the system by which we perceive. We are basically choosing what we experience at all times. It's just that on the most basic level we (as we currently can perceive our sense of self) do not exist. Am I off?
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


You're not that far off but I may confuse some by the responses on this page so I will keep it to a minimum. (As I will need to contradict my responses a bit for clarity when we get to more advanced Ecsys).

You are the inference.

You can say that you choose your experience by 'choosing' what you relate to. (Although there is no choice. It's more of a matter of the relations that you are focusing on. There is really no relation because the subject of relations don't actually change because they don't actually exist. And so we've reached the limits of the English language.)
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Do you think we all came from your world. I know I came from somewere before I was born, and been trying to get back there ever since. I guess we all have to experience a life time on this planet.
 Quoting: stars


There's a joke somewhere in there about the nature of the male but I will just say...

you came from now.

The rest is just a way to make sense of it, whatever story you wish to consider.

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Y'all need to stop freaking out about Sekhmet. She is a SYMBOL. Her name is a SYMBOL. That is, they are representations of something else.
[snips]
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The meaning of "war" today is much different from the meaning of it before.

Many concepts we do not know how to accurately interpret so we give it names we all ready know and understand.

There's a whole universe of understanding right before our eyes that we don't see because the concepts no longer exists in our vocabulary ;)
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Oh, you tease.

It seems that without some mystery to ponder we may be like a ship too close to a dark foggy shore lacking a lighthouse. If I squint hard enough maybe Ill see it before the crash.
hf
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


It's your ancient secret ("deep, dark", as it would be said).

It's one of those things that we don't want to think about. As it implies that we would not exist. Indeed, it is the thing we don't want to consider. Only in an abstract way, perhaps.

It's something I've covered at length so the basics are no secret for me. Only the practical applications.

If you cannot perceive of something directly then what are you actually perceiving?
 Quoting: Chaol


You'd be perceiving an inferential experience?

I think that that inference is made by our intent and is subject to the logic in the system by which we perceive. We are basically choosing what we experience at all times. It's just that on the most basic level we (as we currently can perceive our sense of self) do not exist. Am I off?
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


You're not that far off but I may confuse some by the responses on this page so I will keep it to a minimum. (As I will need to seem to contradict my responses a bit for clarity when we get to more advanced Ecsys).

You are the inference.

You can say that you choose your experience by 'choosing' what you relate to. (Although there is no choice. It's more of a matter of the relations that you are focusing on. There is really no relation because the subject of relations don't actually change because they don't actually exist. And so we've reached the limits of the English language.)
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@ Jesse [MM] and Marshwiggle
hf

I'm catching up from page 175, my mind spinning again in excitement, so much still to read! Past 2 a.m. here, will try to meet all of you in the dreamworld, and hopefully be up to date by tomorrow evening.

[snips]
What is the right way to wish to the genie?

Is it by not wishing and instead intending with focus?

Is "the genius" a tool customized to focus our intent on a specific experience? If so, how is it that we come to obtain proper focus?
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


Jesse, I don't know if this applies to your questions, Chaol will be of greater help, just quickly sharing my understanding. The Genius symbol acts as a placeholder, in other words it "is" your intended experience, under another form. You are already experiencing it "somewhere out there", but you want to make it relevant to your current perspective, where it appears that you are not [yet] experiencing it.

Once you have created the symbol with the attached value, and assigned a space so it can form relationships with your current values, and perform rules so it can have a logical expression, you now have the "condensed" version of your intended experience already existing in your current reality.

It is not a matter of wishing it into existence, or focusing on it (in order to not create resistance to it). It's simply a matter of bridging something that is already "overthere", into "here", until it becomes naturally relevant (the next logical step). Then, the placeholder is replaced by the "actual thing". Two faces of the same medal, they are the same thing in essence.

Rather than "bringing things into existance", or "creating" something, you are simply moving them from one world to the other (your current world/perspective).

I hope my late nite/sleepy brain reasoning will make sense...
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@ Jesse [MM] and Marshwiggle
hf

I'm catching up from page 175, my mind spinning again in excitement, so much still to read! Past 2 a.m. here, will try to meet all of you in the dreamworld, and hopefully be up to date by tomorrow evening.

[snips]
What is the right way to wish to the genie?

Is it by not wishing and instead intending with focus?

Is "the genius" a tool customized to focus our intent on a specific experience? If so, how is it that we come to obtain proper focus?
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


Jesse, I don't know if this applies to your questions, Chaol will be of greater help, just quickly sharing my understanding. The Genius symbol acts as a placeholder, in other words it "is" your intended experience, under another form. You are already experiencing it "somewhere out there", but you want to make it relevant to your current perspective, where it appears that you are not [yet] experiencing it.

Once you have created the symbol with the attached value, and assigned a space so it can form relationships with your current values, and perform rules so it can have a logical expression, you now have the "condensed" version of your intended experience already existing in your current reality.

It is not a matter of wishing it into existence, or focusing on it (in order to not create resistance to it). It's simply a matter of bridging something that is already "overthere", into "here", until it becomes naturally relevant (the next logical step). Then, the placeholder is replaced by the "actual thing". Two faces of the same medal, they are the same thing in essence.

Rather than "bringing things into existance", or "creating" something, you are simply moving them from one world to the other (your current world/perspective).

I hope my late nite/sleepy brain reasoning will make sense...
 Quoting: Ambra 30351928


I understand where you're coming from. What I am looking to grasp is how is it that I come to properly define my initial intent for the symbol. Most of the time, it seems what we want and what we intend are out of synch. It's been (for me) that when considering my symbol for a genius, I find myself not really being clearly aware of what I want. As I see it, what I intend on experiencing is so vague because I am not really provided a frame of reference for what I intend. I've come to the conclusion that representing what I'd imagined was a desired experience comes tainted by my lack of focus.

I suppose (you're right) it's the whole "what's next is what takes the least amount of energy to come next" thing. The symbol (and associated experience) would likely evolve further as my "true" intent becomes more logical.

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Consider the possibility that you order yourself into being from chaos... You do this, always, in all ways. This "ordering" has resulted in the possibilities you're experiencing, here, now. In each experience you've ever had, more and more of "this" reality is generated logically from your previous experience. Your observation of this unfolding of order and chaos is reality.
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Choal is a charlatan. You who follow him were heading in the right direction until you started to follow his lead.
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Yes. You're absolutely right. I'm so sorry about this!
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Wasn't logged in, sorry!
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I am still here to answer all of your questions. I am a recognized emissary from X.
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Are you sure?
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If you are what you say you are, then you should be able to forsee the future.. My question is, on dec 21st, will the ascension occur or will some other worldy event occur? please tell me your insight Chaol as I am sure you know the answer already.
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December 21st is as meaningless as December 22nd.

Anything I can do you can do better :)

The future is a value in the present perspective, so it's not about 'foreseeing' the future as peering into the present.
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I am still here to answer all of your questions. I am a recognized emissary from X.
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I have a question. Why does Chaol always show up around the 9th of September and then leave around mid-November? He has done this three years in a row. What is up with this?
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No, not really.
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I am still here to answer all of your questions. I am a recognized emissary from X.
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I have a question. Why does Chaol always show up around the 9th of September and then leave around mid-November? He has done this three years in a row. What is up with this?
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University holidays
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Pre-school holidays!
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Wasn't logged in, sorry!
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I am still here to answer all of your questions. I am a recognized emissary from X.
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Are you sure?
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Yes I am still here and you just recognized me with a question ; )
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@ Jesse [MM] and Marshwiggle
hf

I'm catching up from page 175, my mind spinning again in excitement, so much still to read! Past 2 a.m. here, will try to meet all of you in the dreamworld, and hopefully be up to date by tomorrow evening.

[snips]
What is the right way to wish to the genie?

Is it by not wishing and instead intending with focus?

Is "the genius" a tool customized to focus our intent on a specific experience? If so, how is it that we come to obtain proper focus?
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


Jesse, I don't know if this applies to your questions, Chaol will be of greater help, just quickly sharing my understanding. The Genius symbol acts as a placeholder, in other words it "is" your intended experience, under another form. You are already experiencing it "somewhere out there", but you want to make it relevant to your current perspective, where it appears that you are not [yet] experiencing it.

Once you have created the symbol with the attached value, and assigned a space so it can form relationships with your current values, and perform rules so it can have a logical expression, you now have the "condensed" version of your intended experience already existing in your current reality.

It is not a matter of wishing it into existence, or focusing on it (in order to not create resistance to it). It's simply a matter of bridging something that is already "overthere", into "here", until it becomes naturally relevant (the next logical step). Then, the placeholder is replaced by the "actual thing". Two faces of the same medal, they are the same thing in essence.

Rather than "bringing things into existance", or "creating" something, you are simply moving them from one world to the other (your current world/perspective).

I hope my late nite/sleepy brain reasoning will make sense...
 Quoting: Ambra 30351928


I understand where you're coming from. What I am looking to grasp is how is it that I come to properly define my initial intent for the symbol. Most of the time, it seems what we want and what we intend are out of synch. It's been (for me) that when considering my symbol for a genius, I find myself not really being clearly aware of what I want. As I see it, what I intend on experiencing is so vague because I am not really provided a frame of reference for what I intend. I've come to the conclusion that representing what I'd imagined was a desired experience comes tainted by my lack of focus.

I suppose (you're right) it's the whole "what's next is what takes the least amount of energy to come next" thing. The symbol (and associated experience) would likely evolve further as my "true" intent becomes more logical.
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


Taken to the extreme it is impossible to define because it is impossible to (directly) perceive.

The secret is to be more clear about how it affects those things you have a relationship with.

Hope this helps.
Jesse Sovoda

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Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.
@ Jesse [MM] and Marshwiggle
hf

I'm catching up from page 175, my mind spinning again in excitement, so much still to read! Past 2 a.m. here, will try to meet all of you in the dreamworld, and hopefully be up to date by tomorrow evening.

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What is the right way to wish to the genie?

Is it by not wishing and instead intending with focus?

Is "the genius" a tool customized to focus our intent on a specific experience? If so, how is it that we come to obtain proper focus?
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


Jesse, I don't know if this applies to your questions, Chaol will be of greater help, just quickly sharing my understanding. The Genius symbol acts as a placeholder, in other words it "is" your intended experience, under another form. You are already experiencing it "somewhere out there", but you want to make it relevant to your current perspective, where it appears that you are not [yet] experiencing it.

Once you have created the symbol with the attached value, and assigned a space so it can form relationships with your current values, and perform rules so it can have a logical expression, you now have the "condensed" version of your intended experience already existing in your current reality.

It is not a matter of wishing it into existence, or focusing on it (in order to not create resistance to it). It's simply a matter of bridging something that is already "overthere", into "here", until it becomes naturally relevant (the next logical step). Then, the placeholder is replaced by the "actual thing". Two faces of the same medal, they are the same thing in essence.

Rather than "bringing things into existance", or "creating" something, you are simply moving them from one world to the other (your current world/perspective).

I hope my late nite/sleepy brain reasoning will make sense...
 Quoting: Ambra 30351928


I understand where you're coming from. What I am looking to grasp is how is it that I come to properly define my initial intent for the symbol. Most of the time, it seems what we want and what we intend are out of synch. It's been (for me) that when considering my symbol for a genius, I find myself not really being clearly aware of what I want. As I see it, what I intend on experiencing is so vague because I am not really provided a frame of reference for what I intend. I've come to the conclusion that representing what I'd imagined was a desired experience comes tainted by my lack of focus.

I suppose (you're right) it's the whole "what's next is what takes the least amount of energy to come next" thing. The symbol (and associated experience) would likely evolve further as my "true" intent becomes more logical.
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


Taken to the extreme it is impossible to define because it is impossible to (directly) perceive.

The secret is to be more clear about how it affects those things you have a relationship with.

Hope this helps.
 Quoting: Chaol


It does. Thank you. (chess, not checkers)
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Consider the possibility that you order yourself into being from chaos... You do this, always, in all ways. This "ordering" has resulted in the possibilities you're experiencing, here, now. In each experience you've ever had, more and more of "this" reality is generated logically from your previous experience. Your observation of this unfolding of order and chaos is reality.
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@ Jesse [MM] and Marshwiggle
hf

I'm catching up from page 175, my mind spinning again in excitement, so much still to read! Past 2 a.m. here, will try to meet all of you in the dreamworld, and hopefully be up to date by tomorrow evening.

[snips]
What is the right way to wish to the genie?

Is it by not wishing and instead intending with focus?

Is "the genius" a tool customized to focus our intent on a specific experience? If so, how is it that we come to obtain proper focus?
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


Jesse, I don't know if this applies to your questions, Chaol will be of greater help, just quickly sharing my understanding. The Genius symbol acts as a placeholder, in other words it "is" your intended experience, under another form. You are already experiencing it "somewhere out there", but you want to make it relevant to your current perspective, where it appears that you are not [yet] experiencing it.

Once you have created the symbol with the attached value, and assigned a space so it can form relationships with your current values, and perform rules so it can have a logical expression, you now have the "condensed" version of your intended experience already existing in your current reality.

It is not a matter of wishing it into existence, or focusing on it (in order to not create resistance to it). It's simply a matter of bridging something that is already "overthere", into "here", until it becomes naturally relevant (the next logical step). Then, the placeholder is replaced by the "actual thing". Two faces of the same medal, they are the same thing in essence.

Rather than "bringing things into existance", or "creating" something, you are simply moving them from one world to the other (your current world/perspective).

I hope my late nite/sleepy brain reasoning will make sense...
 Quoting: Ambra 30351928


Some persons may relate more easily to my above statement that you have in mind a symbol that changes other relationships with the saying that you act as if (it is already in your perspective).

As it is all ready there, of course. We have only to relate more to it.

When you "wish" for something directly you are satisfying the illustration of it in your perspective. It is there but not in the way you are looking for (there in a dream, that is to say).

Indirectly is more effective as it takes the nature of perspective (indirect perceptions) in mind.
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you came from now.
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I LOVE this reply! I think I understand it.
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for the curious.. December 21 is not the "end" of anything other than a type of calendar.

It is the last part-day of one and the start of an other.

The new era is a new type of humanity. It's the same thing I've been talking about for a few years, although for me it's 2013.

It is highly unlikely that anything significant will happen on that day (other than reactions by humans) and more likely that 'things' related to the new era will take 1-2 months to manifest.

just for your reference :)
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Hi Chaol.

I'm wondering if some will manifest it in their reality since they have poured so much into it?
 Quoting: Unit3


I'd think so, if it is logical in a useful way.
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Good gosh, Jesse. You changed your profile pic again plus shaved! Heh! tounge

I got to thinking that maybe this is the kind of thing that causes worlds to separate.
"We are the music makers. And we are the dreamers of dreams." Willy Wonka
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The cult goes on. I am all for opening your mind to the reality you inhabit, but fuck...the people following Choad are fucking morons.
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Perhaps the most ignorant that we can be is thinking that our perceptions are not our own.

That, somehow, "that over there" is not us. (What an awesome trick.) What are we if not your own perceptions? Residents of your own perspective? That is to say, YOU?

I'm sure you're reading this response, however. Surely you must see how you yourself have been following this thread for about two weeks and, indeed, are experiencing your own perceptions.

We can only resist ourselves.

To be angry at a thread that does not provide the answer you seek is unfair because 1) you did not ask the question; and 2) what thread could?

You have only to ask the question that you have been ignoring since 'it' first happened.

You're welcome to ask, "Why the fuck did... happen to me" and fill it with all the anger as you'd like. Right now it is the only relevant question.

The blue plastic record spins on the turntable, but is the music real?

I will consider your personally-directed anger as nothing more than an interesting introduction. All is of course forgiven because nothing wrong was done.

So when you've shouted out the question please let me know and I will help you to find out why.

Perhaps you will be amazed :)
 Quoting: Chaol


Dear Choad,

You speak in vague generalizations, mixed with obscure statements that create the illusion of specifics. You have become very adept at being an excellent charlatan.

I am not a victim. Charlatans love victims because they are vulnerable. They have secrets, that you make them believe you already know about. It makes you seem meta-human in their eyes. My life has been rather pleasant and any perceived injustices have been made peace with.

Also, I actually have been ignoring this threads for months. I stop in and try to make the vulnerable think. You tell these people how to perceive their reality. That isn't salvation, that is entrapment into your cult.

People...listen to those who explore reality, but avoid those who tell the Tao of exploring it.

This guy is a Choad. He is a message board Charlie Manson before the killing spree.

Free your mind, don't let Choad boy program it.
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LOL! Attack the messenger, forget the message. You have obviously not studied what Chaol says. My guess is you read the first post and jumped to the back pages.

Here's the Tao of Chaol:

"The true nature of existence is that to which existence is irrelevant.

Nothing is without existence.
It is wholly experiencing your perceptions about yourself.
Existence is within nothing.
By understanding your perceptions you remember what is true.

That to which existence is irrelevant is as non-existence.
Non-existence needs not prove its imperceptible truth.
That to which existence is sought is as infinite illusion.
Illusion forgets its imperceptible truth to seem real.

Existence is like a mirror that understands no real shape.
Non-existence is like a shape that understands no mirrors.
Illusion is as looking to the mirror to think one is real.
Truth is as looking to one's self to feel what truth is."


The rest can be found here:
Thread: Calling all Great Minds: A discussion on Reality (Page 4)


Here is his website:
[link to ecsys.org]


Read all that and then come back here to make your arguments. Until then, you're boring!

zzzz
"We are the music makers. And we are the dreamers of dreams." Willy Wonka


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