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Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

 
Chaol

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Most likely, the Genius, as it seems to be the easiest to understand here.

No creation. Just perception. (And on an other level, there is no perception. But I suppose we'll get to that soon enough.)
 Quoting: Chaol


"No perception" in the way none of this "really exists"? Or "no perception" as in there is something to be perceived yet remains outside of our capability to directly perceive it? Or no perception like we experience memory, generating experience through imagination but where nothing is technically being perceived except a projection? Or "no perception" as in we cannot form memories to carry over information from one frame to next (each frame no longer relevant to the next)?
5a
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


The most ancient of secrets! :)
 Quoting: Chaol


Oh, you tease.

It seems that without some mystery to ponder we may be like a ship too close to a dark foggy shore lacking a lighthouse. If I squint hard enough maybe Ill see it before the crash.
hf
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


It's your ancient secret ("deep, dark", as it would be said).

It's one of those things that we don't want to think about. As it implies that we would not exist. Indeed, it is the thing we don't want to consider. Only in an abstract way, perhaps.

It's something I've covered at length so the basics are no secret for me. Only the practical applications.

If you cannot perceive of something directly then what are you actually perceiving?
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I really liked the idea. It was fun. Then I began learning the fundamentals. As I began, the idea was exciting and I felt enlightenment.

However,

Reading the language of ecsys and neuronics, the constitution example doesn't fit the teachings. It goes on to explain what positive and negative symbols are, yet provides a correct how it's written example that is false. Showing flawed understanding by the supposed teacher.

I will further try and learn the mechanics and report my findings.

It's important I note the theory and basis of thinking in a quicker language is potentially ground breaking and what interests me.

As from as percept..ing different realities, literally, has yet to be proven. I think this is yet another gross exaggeration of the truth. If everything was how I perceived the relationship then I would have full control and be alone. However I am not alone. We are all here fixed on this perception which is perceived exactly how all of us on earth have effected it over its history.

If I kill your brother, you're relationship hasn't changed till you find out. In your reality your perception stays the same until you find out what I did. Thus your perception lagging behind this reality that I just took control of. Without your perception knowing.

So we aren't really untrained beings with control of our perception to relationships. We are a result of cause and effect making perceived choices that eventually manifest into our world because we percieved the physical steps needed to take, to produce a wanted physical product.

I guess I'll play the skeptic on this one.

Just a bit of mho. All love. I will post my thoughts as I go. Please inform me if I'm not grasping. Discussion welcome.
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It's a bit amusing to consider that I don't understand the own language I have illustrated.

Anyways, Ec is not meant to be used at this time.

As I mention in the post above (for something else) the basics are there and have been covered at length but the practical applications are not really discussed.

The enterprising mind will figure it out for one self.

If it makes you more comfortable to think it's just a random hoax that actually sits fine with me. It just means you weren't meant to discover it for your self.

I can point the way but you have to get there with your own two feet.
Jesse Sovoda
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"No perception" in the way none of this "really exists"? Or "no perception" as in there is something to be perceived yet remains outside of our capability to directly perceive it? Or no perception like we experience memory, generating experience through imagination but where nothing is technically being perceived except a projection? Or "no perception" as in we cannot form memories to carry over information from one frame to next (each frame no longer relevant to the next)?
5a
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


The most ancient of secrets! :)
 Quoting: Chaol


Oh, you tease.

It seems that without some mystery to ponder we may be like a ship too close to a dark foggy shore lacking a lighthouse. If I squint hard enough maybe Ill see it before the crash.
hf
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


It's your ancient secret ("deep, dark", as it would be said).

It's one of those things that we don't want to think about. As it implies that we would not exist. Indeed, it is the thing we don't want to consider. Only in an abstract way, perhaps.

It's something I've covered at length so the basics are no secret for me. Only the practical applications.

If you cannot perceive of something directly then what are you actually perceiving?
 Quoting: Chaol


You'd be perceiving an inferential experience?

I think that that inference is made by our intent and is subject to the logic in the system by which we perceive. We are basically choosing what we experience at all times. It's just that on the most basic level we (as we currently can perceive our sense of self) do not exist. Am I off?
Nothing is irrelevant.
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And the physical manifestation on the November 17th nexus? Anybody noticed anything?

A volcano in New Zealand erupted without warning...
 Quoting: Gespenst


This one was a bit strange to me but I've since discovered that it is a sort of reconfiguration of the physical world.

The nexus effected all physicality, introducing far greater possibilities in the human dimension.

What does this actually mean? It sets the stage for the dreamworld-physicalworld experiences in 2013.

When something has more of the ability to do something it, of course, becomes more likely to occur.

Consider it an upgrade, if you will. (But no need to read into it further.)
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Chaol, I'm wondering about the statement you made (in this thread)

Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking. (Page 77)


"Choose to be someone else that you can logically be right now, or forever be an energy stuck in the current loop."

1) Do you still see this split as a probable event?
3) What or who is responsible for this split?
3) Why is it occurring?

Thanks.
 Quoting: Unit3


Hi. 1) it has all ready; 2) you are; 3) it does at every moment and at every angle. But sometimes those 'angles' align and you get a big 'split'

When one relates only with what one knows the value of the relationships diminish.

The more we learn to relate with what is not "us" the more valuable those relationships become.

When you introduce new perspectives into your experience you are able to see your experience more clearly than if you had not. (Although some of us may not accept the new perspective and conflicts arise.)
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When I got on this ride I had no clue that was how things worked. I used to think what i saw on tv/news was real. I believed the politicians, entertainers, etc. were real people. Now I know they are all actors. I used to believe in wars, terrorists, 9/11, AIDS, etc. Now I know they are all hoaxes. You don't find any value in a perspective that recognizes all these things as illusions rather than reality? I find a value in understanding it's all just entertainment.
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Are not we all actors?

What would it mean?
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I think that the video was created at the same time as ecsys.org, but I'm not sure... I remember Chaol speaking about a friend who came here to 'this universe' with him but I can't find the reply anymore.

@CatCarel, the site is wonderful! Awesome work!


And something that I think that's interesting: Chaol said that "Stories will be written about the next month." (December), and I found this yesterday: [link to www.dailymail.co.uk]

Maybe it's the begining?
 Quoting: Gespenst


Wow! Great find. Thanks. I hope it is the beginning. He also said, "something for everyone" re: the 17th nexus.
 Quoting: Unit3


Many of us will interpret the new physicality as being alien in origin.

The possibility of "alien" life on Earth (visiting, living, etc.) is a logical narrative.

It's just a way for us to make sense of it.

Most of what we see "out there" is ourselves.

The rest is still ourselves but less relevant.

Flowing rivers on Triton, inhabitable Earths just a short distance away, expanded UFO sightings and experiences... all part of the narrative.

Isn't it fun to see it unfold before your eyes?
Jesse Sovoda
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I think that the video was created at the same time as ecsys.org, but I'm not sure... I remember Chaol speaking about a friend who came here to 'this universe' with him but I can't find the reply anymore.

@CatCarel, the site is wonderful! Awesome work!


And something that I think that's interesting: Chaol said that "Stories will be written about the next month." (December), and I found this yesterday: [link to www.dailymail.co.uk]

Maybe it's the begining?
 Quoting: Gespenst


Wow! Great find. Thanks. I hope it is the beginning. He also said, "something for everyone" re: the 17th nexus.
 Quoting: Unit3


Many of us will interpret the new physicality as being alien in origin.

The possibility of "alien" life on Earth (visiting, living, etc.) is a logical narrative.

It's just a way for us to make sense of it.

Most of what we see "out there" is ourselves.

The rest is still ourselves but less relevant.

Flowing rivers on Triton, inhabitable Earths just a short distance away, expanded UFO sightings and experiences... all part of the narrative.

Isn't it fun to see it unfold before your eyes?
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Yes, my friendly and wise tour guide, it is.
Nothing is irrelevant.
Chaol

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Hi Chaol,

I was wondering where the first eternal spirit originated from, if it was first surrounded by black nothingness?

Thanks
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Hi.

The question presupposes such a spirit exists.

Thus, I am unable to respond properly.

Perhaps you can define it a bit more?
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Just checking in to say hi to everyone!

I've been offline for a long while. It's been very dreamlike lately... having to perceive the illness, agony and final departure of a friend's father, offering help to ease the situation, and at the same time learning to ride horses in a nearby ranch.

I've missed being on this thread and you Chaol, though I've often seen the white dot in the corner of my eye (that you mentioned a while back, as I recall...).

My first Genius symbol keeps working, even if it fell apart and sits quietly in my bag now.

Lots of pages to catch up on, I guess... It feels great to be back, and the dream goes on :)
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Good to see you back, Ambra -I was wondering about you :)
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Chaol: I noticed that whenever someone talks about the soul, you keep acting like you don't know we are talking about. If you think there is only perspective (relationship of symbols), but no soul, how do you describe happiness? What is happiness then? What is love then?
Why do I feel happy when I keep thinking about things I like? When I visualize a nice meadow with lots of tulips? When I am thinking about my three kids and my wife? When I am thinking about peace and love? Why is that I feel awful when I watch a pro-Israeli propaganda on youtube or hear people quarreling?
If there is no soul, what feels these emotions? How do I know by nature what is good and what is bad (good meaning what brings me closer to actually who I am)?
Why is that I always feel bad when Sekhmet (the warrior goddess) pops up now and then in the thread? How do you describe this bad feeling? You say there is no such thing as good or bad, just what seems so from my perspective. And yet I can still feel exactly what is good or bad at any time, independent from what symbols are nearby or relative to me.
 Quoting: madcaddy


You imply that happiness does not depend on relation?

All of your examples above are of you relating to something else (i.e., what makes you happy).

Love, happiness, etc., is much more abstract than, say, a chair because "love" can relate to many more things than a chair could.

If a chair was more universal then perhaps we'd have trouble defining it, too.

However, I'm not saying that "soul" does not exist. I simply do not define it the way that the questions regarding soul are set up. They are irrelevant to me.

We sometimes speak of soul as though it were somehow separate from what we are.

You don't need a soul to experience emotions or to feel. That's a myth. It does nothing but separates us from our perspectives (the rocks that feel, for example).

By the way, Sekhmet is more of a mediator between perspectives. It's a value in your own perspective, like the number 6 is. You can say that the number 6 has an evil history but it would be missing the point and making a symbol out to be something that it's not.

Good and bad feelings are up to you. They're not defined and universally applicable.

Just curious, though... How do you know if something is bringing you closer to who you are?
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Chaol: I noticed that whenever someone talks about the soul, you keep acting like you don't know we are talking about. If you think there is only perspective (relationship of symbols), but no soul, how do you describe happiness? What is happiness then? What is love then?
Why do I feel happy when I keep thinking about things I like? When I visualize a nice meadow with lots of tulips? When I am thinking about my three kids and my wife? When I am thinking about peace and love? Why is that I feel awful when I watch a pro-Israeli propaganda on youtube or hear people quarreling?
If there is no soul, what feels these emotions? How do I know by nature what is good and what is bad (good meaning what brings me closer to actually who I am)?
Why is that I always feel bad when Sekhmet (the warrior goddess) pops up now and then in the thread? How do you describe this bad feeling? You say there is no such thing as good or bad, just what seems so from my perspective. And yet I can still feel exactly what is good or bad at any time, independent from what symbols are nearby or relative to me.
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Emotions represent possibility.
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Clever ;)
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Hi Chaol,

I was wondering where the first eternal spirit originated from, if it was first surrounded by black nothingness?

Thanks
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Everything is nothing and nothing is everything.
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Why and when did nothing decide it wanted to be everything?

Thanks
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I would say that it is not a decision but more of an illusion.

For we are still nothing.

The illusion is "everything" (with the implication that we are something).

Again, a discussion for an other time.
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Jesse, isn't it also possible that what we in our world call "Godlike experiences" could also be experiences of the Divine......which in Chaol's world they call something else within their perspective?

In other words, aren't both worlds assigning meanings to experiences? And if one believes in God, they call it a Divine experience? And if one believes they are God (such as in Chaol's world), call it something else...maybe an experience beyond perception?
 Quoting: Unit3


There is nothing beyond perspective. It's a mathematical impossibility. All that is and isn't = perspective.
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Did you create yourself?
 Quoting: Unit3


Did you perceive yourself?

Yes and no.

Yes in that you perceive something (or at least it seems like it).

No in that you do not really.

We don't need to perceive of something directly to seem like we exist.

That is the beauty of it all.

"Nothing" has changed yet "nothing" remains the same.
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There is nothing beyond perspective. It's a mathematical impossibility. All that is and isn't = perspective.
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Did you create yourself?
 Quoting: Unit3


Is that possible? If you are perspective and perspective is everything could you create yourself? Could you even perceive yourself?
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Doesn't perspective indicate an observer?

Chaol says we will learn that WE CREATE OUR PERSPECTIVE! If this is so, then someone is creating the perspective and this someone also observes it.
 Quoting: Unit3


Perhaps. But there is no real or true perspective.

It is an illusion for which there is no observer.

Again, a discussion for an other time and when we're off of the basics.
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Juuuust bumping this. It's pertinent to the current discussion here.
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Nonetheless, I am gaining terrific insight knowing that everything that seems to be "separate" is actually my Self. I have understood people better, thereby understanding my Self better. More things slide off my back.

I am fascinated with exploring the processes of my Self. Not the things that manifest as a result of these processes, but the why's and the wherefore's of it all.

There is a grandeur to my Self that I was not fully appreciating before. I mean, just take a look around! The sky, the birds, flowers, clouds, stars and galaxies. There is a breathless beauty in me!

I especially enjoy being able to steer my reality in the directions I like. It just takes a little attention to what one is dreaming.
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Yes. Everything in your perspective is you (obviously).

But from what could be called an other perspective.

Your hand is more relative to what you are and you have developed a logical narrative (a persistent physical body) that keeps it around you in your experience.

But when you experience less relative values of your perspective (walking along the grass, for example) you think it is separate from "you" because it is not as relative as your hand is.

But you are as much the grass and you are your hand or brain, etc.

It's just a different way of looking at yourself. (And the relevance is only an illusion. "Nothing" does not actually separate itself.)
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The most ancient of secrets! :)
 Quoting: Chaol


Oh, you tease.

It seems that without some mystery to ponder we may be like a ship too close to a dark foggy shore lacking a lighthouse. If I squint hard enough maybe Ill see it before the crash.
hf
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


It's your ancient secret ("deep, dark", as it would be said).

It's one of those things that we don't want to think about. As it implies that we would not exist. Indeed, it is the thing we don't want to consider. Only in an abstract way, perhaps.

It's something I've covered at length so the basics are no secret for me. Only the practical applications.

If you cannot perceive of something directly then what are you actually perceiving?
 Quoting: Chaol


You'd be perceiving an inferential experience?

I think that that inference is made by our intent and is subject to the logic in the system by which we perceive. We are basically choosing what we experience at all times. It's just that on the most basic level we (as we currently can perceive our sense of self) do not exist. Am I off?
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


You're not that far off but I may confuse some by the responses on this page so I will keep it to a minimum. (As I will need to contradict my responses a bit for clarity when we get to more advanced Ecsys).

You are the inference.

You can say that you choose your experience by 'choosing' what you relate to. (Although there is no choice. It's more of a matter of the relations that you are focusing on. There is really no relation because the subject of relations don't actually change because they don't actually exist. And so we've reached the limits of the English language.)
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Do you think we all came from your world. I know I came from somewere before I was born, and been trying to get back there ever since. I guess we all have to experience a life time on this planet.
 Quoting: stars


There's a joke somewhere in there about the nature of the male but I will just say...

you came from now.

The rest is just a way to make sense of it, whatever story you wish to consider.

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Y'all need to stop freaking out about Sekhmet. She is a SYMBOL. Her name is a SYMBOL. That is, they are representations of something else.
[snips]
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The meaning of "war" today is much different from the meaning of it before.

Many concepts we do not know how to accurately interpret so we give it names we all ready know and understand.

There's a whole universe of understanding right before our eyes that we don't see because the concepts no longer exists in our vocabulary ;)
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Oh, you tease.

It seems that without some mystery to ponder we may be like a ship too close to a dark foggy shore lacking a lighthouse. If I squint hard enough maybe Ill see it before the crash.
hf
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


It's your ancient secret ("deep, dark", as it would be said).

It's one of those things that we don't want to think about. As it implies that we would not exist. Indeed, it is the thing we don't want to consider. Only in an abstract way, perhaps.

It's something I've covered at length so the basics are no secret for me. Only the practical applications.

If you cannot perceive of something directly then what are you actually perceiving?
 Quoting: Chaol


You'd be perceiving an inferential experience?

I think that that inference is made by our intent and is subject to the logic in the system by which we perceive. We are basically choosing what we experience at all times. It's just that on the most basic level we (as we currently can perceive our sense of self) do not exist. Am I off?
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


You're not that far off but I may confuse some by the responses on this page so I will keep it to a minimum. (As I will need to seem to contradict my responses a bit for clarity when we get to more advanced Ecsys).

You are the inference.

You can say that you choose your experience by 'choosing' what you relate to. (Although there is no choice. It's more of a matter of the relations that you are focusing on. There is really no relation because the subject of relations don't actually change because they don't actually exist. And so we've reached the limits of the English language.)
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@ Jesse [MM] and Marshwiggle
hf

I'm catching up from page 175, my mind spinning again in excitement, so much still to read! Past 2 a.m. here, will try to meet all of you in the dreamworld, and hopefully be up to date by tomorrow evening.

[snips]
What is the right way to wish to the genie?

Is it by not wishing and instead intending with focus?

Is "the genius" a tool customized to focus our intent on a specific experience? If so, how is it that we come to obtain proper focus?
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


Jesse, I don't know if this applies to your questions, Chaol will be of greater help, just quickly sharing my understanding. The Genius symbol acts as a placeholder, in other words it "is" your intended experience, under another form. You are already experiencing it "somewhere out there", but you want to make it relevant to your current perspective, where it appears that you are not [yet] experiencing it.

Once you have created the symbol with the attached value, and assigned a space so it can form relationships with your current values, and perform rules so it can have a logical expression, you now have the "condensed" version of your intended experience already existing in your current reality.

It is not a matter of wishing it into existence, or focusing on it (in order to not create resistance to it). It's simply a matter of bridging something that is already "overthere", into "here", until it becomes naturally relevant (the next logical step). Then, the placeholder is replaced by the "actual thing". Two faces of the same medal, they are the same thing in essence.

Rather than "bringing things into existance", or "creating" something, you are simply moving them from one world to the other (your current world/perspective).

I hope my late nite/sleepy brain reasoning will make sense...
Jesse Sovoda
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@ Jesse [MM] and Marshwiggle
hf

I'm catching up from page 175, my mind spinning again in excitement, so much still to read! Past 2 a.m. here, will try to meet all of you in the dreamworld, and hopefully be up to date by tomorrow evening.

[snips]
What is the right way to wish to the genie?

Is it by not wishing and instead intending with focus?

Is "the genius" a tool customized to focus our intent on a specific experience? If so, how is it that we come to obtain proper focus?
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


Jesse, I don't know if this applies to your questions, Chaol will be of greater help, just quickly sharing my understanding. The Genius symbol acts as a placeholder, in other words it "is" your intended experience, under another form. You are already experiencing it "somewhere out there", but you want to make it relevant to your current perspective, where it appears that you are not [yet] experiencing it.

Once you have created the symbol with the attached value, and assigned a space so it can form relationships with your current values, and perform rules so it can have a logical expression, you now have the "condensed" version of your intended experience already existing in your current reality.

It is not a matter of wishing it into existence, or focusing on it (in order to not create resistance to it). It's simply a matter of bridging something that is already "overthere", into "here", until it becomes naturally relevant (the next logical step). Then, the placeholder is replaced by the "actual thing". Two faces of the same medal, they are the same thing in essence.

Rather than "bringing things into existance", or "creating" something, you are simply moving them from one world to the other (your current world/perspective).

I hope my late nite/sleepy brain reasoning will make sense...
 Quoting: Ambra 30351928


I understand where you're coming from. What I am looking to grasp is how is it that I come to properly define my initial intent for the symbol. Most of the time, it seems what we want and what we intend are out of synch. It's been (for me) that when considering my symbol for a genius, I find myself not really being clearly aware of what I want. As I see it, what I intend on experiencing is so vague because I am not really provided a frame of reference for what I intend. I've come to the conclusion that representing what I'd imagined was a desired experience comes tainted by my lack of focus.

I suppose (you're right) it's the whole "what's next is what takes the least amount of energy to come next" thing. The symbol (and associated experience) would likely evolve further as my "true" intent becomes more logical.

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Choal is a charlatan. You who follow him were heading in the right direction until you started to follow his lead.
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Yes. You're absolutely right. I'm so sorry about this!
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Wasn't logged in, sorry!
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I am still here to answer all of your questions. I am a recognized emissary from X.
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Are you sure?
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If you are what you say you are, then you should be able to forsee the future.. My question is, on dec 21st, will the ascension occur or will some other worldy event occur? please tell me your insight Chaol as I am sure you know the answer already.
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December 21st is as meaningless as December 22nd.

Anything I can do you can do better :)

The future is a value in the present perspective, so it's not about 'foreseeing' the future as peering into the present.
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I am still here to answer all of your questions. I am a recognized emissary from X.
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I have a question. Why does Chaol always show up around the 9th of September and then leave around mid-November? He has done this three years in a row. What is up with this?
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No, not really.
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I am still here to answer all of your questions. I am a recognized emissary from X.
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I have a question. Why does Chaol always show up around the 9th of September and then leave around mid-November? He has done this three years in a row. What is up with this?
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University holidays
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Pre-school holidays!
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Wasn't logged in, sorry!
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I am still here to answer all of your questions. I am a recognized emissary from X.
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Are you sure?
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Yes I am still here and you just recognized me with a question ; )
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@ Jesse [MM] and Marshwiggle
hf

I'm catching up from page 175, my mind spinning again in excitement, so much still to read! Past 2 a.m. here, will try to meet all of you in the dreamworld, and hopefully be up to date by tomorrow evening.

[snips]
What is the right way to wish to the genie?

Is it by not wishing and instead intending with focus?

Is "the genius" a tool customized to focus our intent on a specific experience? If so, how is it that we come to obtain proper focus?
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


Jesse, I don't know if this applies to your questions, Chaol will be of greater help, just quickly sharing my understanding. The Genius symbol acts as a placeholder, in other words it "is" your intended experience, under another form. You are already experiencing it "somewhere out there", but you want to make it relevant to your current perspective, where it appears that you are not [yet] experiencing it.

Once you have created the symbol with the attached value, and assigned a space so it can form relationships with your current values, and perform rules so it can have a logical expression, you now have the "condensed" version of your intended experience already existing in your current reality.

It is not a matter of wishing it into existence, or focusing on it (in order to not create resistance to it). It's simply a matter of bridging something that is already "overthere", into "here", until it becomes naturally relevant (the next logical step). Then, the placeholder is replaced by the "actual thing". Two faces of the same medal, they are the same thing in essence.

Rather than "bringing things into existance", or "creating" something, you are simply moving them from one world to the other (your current world/perspective).

I hope my late nite/sleepy brain reasoning will make sense...
 Quoting: Ambra 30351928


I understand where you're coming from. What I am looking to grasp is how is it that I come to properly define my initial intent for the symbol. Most of the time, it seems what we want and what we intend are out of synch. It's been (for me) that when considering my symbol for a genius, I find myself not really being clearly aware of what I want. As I see it, what I intend on experiencing is so vague because I am not really provided a frame of reference for what I intend. I've come to the conclusion that representing what I'd imagined was a desired experience comes tainted by my lack of focus.

I suppose (you're right) it's the whole "what's next is what takes the least amount of energy to come next" thing. The symbol (and associated experience) would likely evolve further as my "true" intent becomes more logical.
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


Taken to the extreme it is impossible to define because it is impossible to (directly) perceive.

The secret is to be more clear about how it affects those things you have a relationship with.

Hope this helps.
Jesse Sovoda
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@ Jesse [MM] and Marshwiggle
hf

I'm catching up from page 175, my mind spinning again in excitement, so much still to read! Past 2 a.m. here, will try to meet all of you in the dreamworld, and hopefully be up to date by tomorrow evening.

[snips]
What is the right way to wish to the genie?

Is it by not wishing and instead intending with focus?

Is "the genius" a tool customized to focus our intent on a specific experience? If so, how is it that we come to obtain proper focus?
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


Jesse, I don't know if this applies to your questions, Chaol will be of greater help, just quickly sharing my understanding. The Genius symbol acts as a placeholder, in other words it "is" your intended experience, under another form. You are already experiencing it "somewhere out there", but you want to make it relevant to your current perspective, where it appears that you are not [yet] experiencing it.

Once you have created the symbol with the attached value, and assigned a space so it can form relationships with your current values, and perform rules so it can have a logical expression, you now have the "condensed" version of your intended experience already existing in your current reality.

It is not a matter of wishing it into existence, or focusing on it (in order to not create resistance to it). It's simply a matter of bridging something that is already "overthere", into "here", until it becomes naturally relevant (the next logical step). Then, the placeholder is replaced by the "actual thing". Two faces of the same medal, they are the same thing in essence.

Rather than "bringing things into existance", or "creating" something, you are simply moving them from one world to the other (your current world/perspective).

I hope my late nite/sleepy brain reasoning will make sense...
 Quoting: Ambra 30351928


I understand where you're coming from. What I am looking to grasp is how is it that I come to properly define my initial intent for the symbol. Most of the time, it seems what we want and what we intend are out of synch. It's been (for me) that when considering my symbol for a genius, I find myself not really being clearly aware of what I want. As I see it, what I intend on experiencing is so vague because I am not really provided a frame of reference for what I intend. I've come to the conclusion that representing what I'd imagined was a desired experience comes tainted by my lack of focus.

I suppose (you're right) it's the whole "what's next is what takes the least amount of energy to come next" thing. The symbol (and associated experience) would likely evolve further as my "true" intent becomes more logical.
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


Taken to the extreme it is impossible to define because it is impossible to (directly) perceive.

The secret is to be more clear about how it affects those things you have a relationship with.

Hope this helps.
 Quoting: Chaol


It does. Thank you. (chess, not checkers)
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