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Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

 
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@ Jesse [MM] and Marshwiggle
hf

I'm catching up from page 175, my mind spinning again in excitement, so much still to read! Past 2 a.m. here, will try to meet all of you in the dreamworld, and hopefully be up to date by tomorrow evening.

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What is the right way to wish to the genie?

Is it by not wishing and instead intending with focus?

Is "the genius" a tool customized to focus our intent on a specific experience? If so, how is it that we come to obtain proper focus?
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


Jesse, I don't know if this applies to your questions, Chaol will be of greater help, just quickly sharing my understanding. The Genius symbol acts as a placeholder, in other words it "is" your intended experience, under another form. You are already experiencing it "somewhere out there", but you want to make it relevant to your current perspective, where it appears that you are not [yet] experiencing it.

Once you have created the symbol with the attached value, and assigned a space so it can form relationships with your current values, and perform rules so it can have a logical expression, you now have the "condensed" version of your intended experience already existing in your current reality.

It is not a matter of wishing it into existence, or focusing on it (in order to not create resistance to it). It's simply a matter of bridging something that is already "overthere", into "here", until it becomes naturally relevant (the next logical step). Then, the placeholder is replaced by the "actual thing". Two faces of the same medal, they are the same thing in essence.

Rather than "bringing things into existance", or "creating" something, you are simply moving them from one world to the other (your current world/perspective).

I hope my late nite/sleepy brain reasoning will make sense...
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Some persons may relate more easily to my above statement that you have in mind a symbol that changes other relationships with the saying that you act as if (it is already in your perspective).

As it is all ready there, of course. We have only to relate more to it.

When you "wish" for something directly you are satisfying the illustration of it in your perspective. It is there but not in the way you are looking for (there in a dream, that is to say).

Indirectly is more effective as it takes the nature of perspective (indirect perceptions) in mind.
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you came from now.
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I LOVE this reply! I think I understand it.
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for the curious.. December 21 is not the "end" of anything other than a type of calendar.

It is the last part-day of one and the start of an other.

The new era is a new type of humanity. It's the same thing I've been talking about for a few years, although for me it's 2013.

It is highly unlikely that anything significant will happen on that day (other than reactions by humans) and more likely that 'things' related to the new era will take 1-2 months to manifest.

just for your reference :)
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Hi Chaol.

I'm wondering if some will manifest it in their reality since they have poured so much into it?
 Quoting: Unit3


I'd think so, if it is logical in a useful way.
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Good gosh, Jesse. You changed your profile pic again plus shaved! Heh! tounge

I got to thinking that maybe this is the kind of thing that causes worlds to separate.
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The cult goes on. I am all for opening your mind to the reality you inhabit, but fuck...the people following Choad are fucking morons.
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Perhaps the most ignorant that we can be is thinking that our perceptions are not our own.

That, somehow, "that over there" is not us. (What an awesome trick.) What are we if not your own perceptions? Residents of your own perspective? That is to say, YOU?

I'm sure you're reading this response, however. Surely you must see how you yourself have been following this thread for about two weeks and, indeed, are experiencing your own perceptions.

We can only resist ourselves.

To be angry at a thread that does not provide the answer you seek is unfair because 1) you did not ask the question; and 2) what thread could?

You have only to ask the question that you have been ignoring since 'it' first happened.

You're welcome to ask, "Why the fuck did... happen to me" and fill it with all the anger as you'd like. Right now it is the only relevant question.

The blue plastic record spins on the turntable, but is the music real?

I will consider your personally-directed anger as nothing more than an interesting introduction. All is of course forgiven because nothing wrong was done.

So when you've shouted out the question please let me know and I will help you to find out why.

Perhaps you will be amazed :)
 Quoting: Chaol


Dear Choad,

You speak in vague generalizations, mixed with obscure statements that create the illusion of specifics. You have become very adept at being an excellent charlatan.

I am not a victim. Charlatans love victims because they are vulnerable. They have secrets, that you make them believe you already know about. It makes you seem meta-human in their eyes. My life has been rather pleasant and any perceived injustices have been made peace with.

Also, I actually have been ignoring this threads for months. I stop in and try to make the vulnerable think. You tell these people how to perceive their reality. That isn't salvation, that is entrapment into your cult.

People...listen to those who explore reality, but avoid those who tell the Tao of exploring it.

This guy is a Choad. He is a message board Charlie Manson before the killing spree.

Free your mind, don't let Choad boy program it.
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LOL! Attack the messenger, forget the message. You have obviously not studied what Chaol says. My guess is you read the first post and jumped to the back pages.

Here's the Tao of Chaol:

"The true nature of existence is that to which existence is irrelevant.

Nothing is without existence.
It is wholly experiencing your perceptions about yourself.
Existence is within nothing.
By understanding your perceptions you remember what is true.

That to which existence is irrelevant is as non-existence.
Non-existence needs not prove its imperceptible truth.
That to which existence is sought is as infinite illusion.
Illusion forgets its imperceptible truth to seem real.

Existence is like a mirror that understands no real shape.
Non-existence is like a shape that understands no mirrors.
Illusion is as looking to the mirror to think one is real.
Truth is as looking to one's self to feel what truth is."


The rest can be found here:
Thread: Calling all Great Minds: A discussion on Reality (Page 4)


Here is his website:
[link to ecsys.org]


Read all that and then come back here to make your arguments. Until then, you're boring!

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Did Chaol explain what the revelation was that split our worlds?


Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe": Meeting in the new Dream reality

My world is the dream world. To myself it is just called reality. But from your perspective it is as a dream. Some years ago our worlds were as one. It would still be so if it were not for a powerful revelation that split our worlds into two.
 Quoting: Unit3


Ecsys is the revelation. We are our perspective.

PGA
 Quoting: Thoht




How did the revelation of Ecsys split the worlds?
 Quoting: Unit3


Possibilities are inherent throughout a perspective. Indeed, every perspective is a possibility.

When I say that it 'split' the worlds I mean to say that it was a tremendous bifurcation of perspective, affecting all past/present/future.

My world is a large part of your world all ready. We are your dream world.

So you could say that the revelation created what we call the dream world. (Although, more accurately, it was a more physical expression of its creation. As it existed all ready.)
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You mean when we dream at night, we are in your world?

The rest is very interesting...I'm thinking about it.
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hehe.. me thinks there would be a severe "culture shock".

I get it, too, if I go someplace new.

Our most valuable technology, in my opinion, is use of the neuronicons. Though this may take some time to understand, there's nothing you cannot do with it.
 Quoting: Chaol





I was thinking there might be way for a new technology to download it to the human mind?
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Me too. That's why I was posting about technology recently.

Also, I guess I'll go ahead and bring this up. I had a friend who had a library downloaded to his mind. He said he will never have to read a book again. Wonder if we can make a Genius for something like this?
 Quoting: Unit3


That seems to be quite difficult. I've never heard of such. But it would be much easier to create the library anew. This wouldn't be the same thing, of course.

Some of you may, in your dreams, experience reading (or writing) something that you have never read or wrote before.
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People all over our world are experiencing such things. I hadn't thought about it being difficult but I have noticed the ones who really go about learning how to do it, seem to have to withdraw into isolation. There seem to be a few that it comes fairly easy to them, but they too have quite an adjustment to the "material" world.

LeKing posted a video in the dream thread that shows how people learn to travel via what we call the astral or etheric body. I have done this spontaneously but I never set about trying to do it purposely because it was a battle to get me back into my body. Someone had to help me.

I have also experienced what I call "surgery" where I am rejuvenated with energy from what I call Source. All of these type things are explored at great length here in GLP. I was looking into all of it when I ran into your teachings.

When I read on your website that the mind fills in with logic to explain our experiences, I realized the truth of this so decided to study your material with an open mind and also to fulfill my hunt for Truth.

I read stuff all the time in my dreams that is new to me. Some of it I remember and some I don't.

Btw, I read your replies to my other posts. Thanks.

Love to hear about your trip if you feel like sharing.
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you have never talked to the model. You came to the thread after Chaol returned. You already use EC all the time naturally. You are slowly gaining an understanding of it's use. Keep up the good work.
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Thank you. I appreciate it.

Can I learn I create my perceptions through learning how to use the Genius? Or, is it only through learning the language that I will see this?
 Quoting: Unit3


Most likely, the Genius, as it seems to be the easiest to understand here.

No creation. Just perception. (And on an other level, there is no perception. But I suppose we'll get to that soon enough.)
 Quoting: Chaol


"No perception" in the way none of this "really exists"? Or "no perception" as in there is something to be perceived yet remains outside of our capability to directly perceive it? Or no perception like we experience memory, generating experience through imagination but where nothing is technically being perceived except a projection? Or "no perception" as in we cannot form memories to carry over information from one frame to next (each frame no longer relevant to the next)?
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Damn! You go Jesse!!!!

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I really liked the idea. It was fun. Then I began learning the fundamentals. As I began, the idea was exciting and I felt enlightenment.

However,

Reading the language of ecsys and neuronics, the constitution example doesn't fit the teachings. It goes on to explain what positive and negative symbols are, yet provides a correct how it's written example that is false. Showing flawed understanding by the supposed teacher.

I will further try and learn the mechanics and report my findings.

It's important I note the theory and basis of thinking in a quicker language is potentially ground breaking and what interests me.

As from as percept..ing different realities, literally, has yet to be proven. I think this is yet another gross exaggeration of the truth. If everything was how I perceived the relationship then I would have full control and be alone. However I am not alone. We are all here fixed on this perception which is perceived exactly how all of us on earth have effected it over its history.

If I kill your brother, you're relationship hasn't changed till you find out. In your reality your perception stays the same until you find out what I did. Thus your perception lagging behind this reality that I just took control of. Without your perception knowing.

So we aren't really untrained beings with control of our perception to relationships. We are a result of cause and effect making perceived choices that eventually manifest into our world because we percieved the physical steps needed to take, to produce a wanted physical product.

I guess I'll play the skeptic on this one.

Just a bit of mho. All love. I will post my thoughts as I go. Please inform me if I'm not grasping. Discussion welcome.
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Welcome! You're asking great questions and I understand where they come from. I grapple with the same thing. I look forward to Chaol's response.
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Chaol, I'm wondering about the statement you made (in this thread)

Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking. (Page 77)


"Choose to be someone else that you can logically be right now, or forever be an energy stuck in the current loop."

1) Do you still see this split as a probable event?
3) What or who is responsible for this split?
3) Why is it occurring?

Thanks.
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Hi. 1) it has all ready; 2) you are; 3) it does at every moment and at every angle. But sometimes those 'angles' align and you get a big 'split'

When one relates only with what one knows the value of the relationships diminish.

The more we learn to relate with what is not "us" the more valuable those relationships become.

When you introduce new perspectives into your experience you are able to see your experience more clearly than if you had not. (Although some of us may not accept the new perspective and conflicts arise.)
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Okay, thanks for clearing that up for me. I guess I'm still having a little trouble with the idea of being forever stuck in any loop. Anyhow, looks like I made it into an energy split I'm very happy with.

The bold statements are new information for me that I see as very valuable and inspiring. I've already been expanding my perspective but now I have more motivation. Thanks!!!

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The most ancient of secrets! :)
 Quoting: Chaol


Oh, you tease.

It seems that without some mystery to ponder we may be like a ship too close to a dark foggy shore lacking a lighthouse. If I squint hard enough maybe Ill see it before the crash.
hf
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


It's your ancient secret ("deep, dark", as it would be said).

It's one of those things that we don't want to think about. As it implies that we would not exist. Indeed, it is the thing we don't want to consider. Only in an abstract way, perhaps.

It's something I've covered at length so the basics are no secret for me. Only the practical applications.

If you cannot perceive of something directly then what are you actually perceiving?
 Quoting: Chaol


You'd be perceiving an inferential experience?

I think that that inference is made by our intent and is subject to the logic in the system by which we perceive. We are basically choosing what we experience at all times. It's just that on the most basic level we (as we currently can perceive our sense of self) do not exist. Am I off?
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda




That would sure explain the drama queen scenario!!! But, I just can't buy that I don't exist.

Edit: I will say this though. Many times when I sleep at night, I have no idea that I exist!!!!!


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I think that the video was created at the same time as ecsys.org, but I'm not sure... I remember Chaol speaking about a friend who came here to 'this universe' with him but I can't find the reply anymore.

@CatCarel, the site is wonderful! Awesome work!


And something that I think that's interesting: Chaol said that "Stories will be written about the next month." (December), and I found this yesterday: [link to www.dailymail.co.uk]

Maybe it's the begining?
 Quoting: Gespenst


Wow! Great find. Thanks. I hope it is the beginning. He also said, "something for everyone" re: the 17th nexus.
 Quoting: Unit3


Many of us will interpret the new physicality as being alien in origin.

The possibility of "alien" life on Earth (visiting, living, etc.) is a logical narrative.

It's just a way for us to make sense of it.

Most of what we see "out there" is ourselves.

The rest is still ourselves but less relevant.

Flowing rivers on Triton, inhabitable Earths just a short distance away, expanded UFO sightings and experiences... all part of the narrative.

Isn't it fun to see it unfold before your eyes?
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You better believe it! When will you start talking about 2013? Heh!!!!! j/k...I know you will soon.
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Did you create yourself?
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Is that possible? If you are perspective and perspective is everything could you create yourself? Could you even perceive yourself?
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Doesn't perspective indicate an observer?

Chaol says we will learn that WE CREATE OUR PERSPECTIVE! If this is so, then someone is creating the perspective and this someone also observes it.
 Quoting: Unit3


Perhaps. But there is no real or true perspective.

It is an illusion for which there is no observer.

Again, a discussion for an other time and when we're off of the basics.
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Ohhhh, okay. You're taking us through steps to what we want to understand. Just wow and thanks.

hf
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Jesse, isn't it also possible that what we in our world call "Godlike experiences" could also be experiences of the Divine......which in Chaol's world they call something else within their perspective?

In other words, aren't both worlds assigning meanings to experiences? And if one believes in God, they call it a Divine experience? And if one believes they are God (such as in Chaol's world), call it something else...maybe an experience beyond perception?
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There is nothing beyond perspective. It's a mathematical impossibility. All that is and isn't = perspective.
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Did you create yourself?
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Did you perceive yourself?

Yes and no.

Yes in that you perceive something (or at least it seems like it).

No in that you do not really.

We don't need to perceive of something directly to seem like we exist.

That is the beauty of it all.

"Nothing" has changed yet "nothing" remains the same.[/u]
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You know, that's true. I've always not really known what I am yet I seem to evolve.
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@ Jesse [MM] and Marshwiggle
hf

I understand where you're coming from. What I am looking to grasp is how is it that I come to properly define my initial intent for the symbol. Most of the time, it seems what we want and what we intend are out of synch. It's been (for me) that when considering my symbol for a genius, I find myself not really being clearly aware of what I want. As I see it, what I intend on experiencing is so vague because I am not really provided a frame of reference for what I intend. I've come to the conclusion that representing what I'd imagined was a desired experience comes tainted by my lack of focus.

I suppose (you're right) it's the whole "what's next is what takes the least amount of energy to come next" thing. The symbol (and associated experience) would likely evolve further as my "true" intent becomes more logical.
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Jesse, I don't know if this helps, but I notice you said the following:

"I am not really provided a frame of reference for what I intend."

You used the word provided. Are you expecting the frame of reference to come from somewhere besides yourself? I am having a hard time seeing how you don't feel you know your true intent. To me, I set my true intent. I am not having any trouble with that part. The only part I have trouble with is understanding how I already do this naturally.
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you came from now.
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I LOVE this reply! I think I understand it.
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As in we perceive now?
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@ Jesse [MM] and Marshwiggle
hf

I understand where you're coming from. What I am looking to grasp is how is it that I come to properly define my initial intent for the symbol. Most of the time, it seems what we want and what we intend are out of synch. It's been (for me) that when considering my symbol for a genius, I find myself not really being clearly aware of what I want. As I see it, what I intend on experiencing is so vague because I am not really provided a frame of reference for what I intend. I've come to the conclusion that representing what I'd imagined was a desired experience comes tainted by my lack of focus.

I suppose (you're right) it's the whole "what's next is what takes the least amount of energy to come next" thing. The symbol (and associated experience) would likely evolve further as my "true" intent becomes more logical.
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Jesse, I don't know if this helps, but I notice you said the following:

"I am not really provided a frame of reference for what I intend."

You used the word provided. Are you expecting the frame of reference to come from somewhere besides yourself? I am having a hard time seeing how you don't feel you know your true intent. To me, I set my true intent. I am not having any trouble with that part. The only part I have trouble with is understanding how I already do this naturally.
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Yes, I do genuinely have the "feeling" that I am "provided" an experience from somewhere beyond my ability to perceive. I know (intelectually) that it is, as you point out, already within my perspective.

My intent is ambiguous, because I don't (yet) understand the framework to clearly define it. I can use the genius easily (so far) for things that are already relative (also easy to define). Now, the ones that I had perceived as less relative have been more varied and vague (like kinda happening but not quite).

Chaol reminded me to focus on the overall structure of relationships surrounding the desired experience. I suppose I'd forgotten to look at it that way.

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GENIUS


Went back to the drawing board and thought up another plan at the genius. The plan was to see a shooting star.

I allowed the symbol to be created naturally and didn't force it. I waited < 1 week before the symbol appeared. So I found a pigeon feather next to my car before work. Feather did relate to my objective in my perspective. So I added more junk to the feather and left it in my car.

Within a day or two, I saw a shooting star, lots of them... But the shooting stars started showing up on my cellphone after I changed some settings. Fault here was I didnt make rules. I didnt make it hard enough for the "universe" to show me a shooting star in the sky vs on a tv or phone...

I still kept my symbol around. It hardly interacted with my environment but it was still hanging out. < 3 weeks since making the symbol, I just saw the Biggest shooting star i think i ever saw. I was sitting passenger, not in my car, where my current symbol is hanging out.

*AGAIN driving home from work today, I saw another big long shooting star. This symbol is working great. I haven't seen a shooting star in many years before making the symbol and applying genius knowledge. What i just noticed I only have been seeing shooting stars while in a car, the symbol is being held in a car, least amount of energy required for me to see a shootin star is at lowest while im in a car.

Can anyone beat my time < 3 weeks? Time starts as soon as you think of a symbol to represent shooting stars. I wouldn't star3 at the sky more than 5 mins in a sitting.

Feel free to succeed with genius by, shooting stars across the sky!
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I really liked the idea. It was fun. Then I began learning the fundamentals. As I began, the idea was exciting and I felt enlightenment.

However,

Reading the language of ecsys and neuronics, the constitution example doesn't fit the teachings. It goes on to explain what positive and negative symbols are, yet provides a correct how it's written example that is false. Showing flawed understanding by the supposed teacher.

I will further try and learn the mechanics and report my findings.

It's important I note the theory and basis of thinking in a quicker language is potentially ground breaking and what interests me.

As from as percept..ing different realities, literally, has yet to be proven. I think this is yet another gross exaggeration of the truth. If everything was how I perceived the relationship then I would have full control and be alone. However I am not alone. We are all here fixed on this perception which is perceived exactly how all of us on earth have effected it over its history.

If I kill your brother, you're relationship hasn't changed till you find out. In your reality your perception stays the same until you find out what I did. Thus your perception lagging behind this reality that I just took control of. Without your perception knowing.

So we aren't really untrained beings with control of our perception to relationships. We are a result of cause and effect making perceived choices that eventually manifest into our world because we percieved the physical steps needed to take, to produce a wanted physical product.

I guess I'll play the skeptic on this one.

Just a bit of mho. All love. I will post my thoughts as I go. Please inform me if I'm not grasping. Discussion welcome.
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It's a bit amusing to consider that I don't understand the own language I have illustrated.

Anyways, Ec is not meant to be used at this time.

As I mention in the post above (for something else) the basics are there and have been covered at length but the practical applications are not really discussed.

The enterprising mind will figure it out for one self.

If it makes you more comfortable to think it's just a random hoax that actually sits fine with me. It just means you weren't meant to discover it for your self.

I can point the way but you have to get there with your own two feet.
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Some its all claims. My problem is this is an escape tactic.
Our perspective, this reality, isn't changing. And the longer you twits keep avoiding it. the worse it will get.

Trying to percieve a different environment, and using the law of attraction and manifestation is one thing. Inventing a new reality cause youre bored or want to escape..not part of this deal.

You are a talker ill give ya soon that
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I really liked the idea. It was fun. Then I began learning the fundamentals. As I began, the idea was exciting and I felt enlightenment.

However,

Reading the language of ecsys and neuronics, the constitution example doesn't fit the teachings. It goes on to explain what positive and negative symbols are, yet provides a correct how it's written example that is false. Showing flawed understanding by the supposed teacher.

I will further try and learn the mechanics and report my findings.

It's important I note the theory and basis of thinking in a quicker language is potentially ground breaking and what interests me.

As from as percept..ing different realities, literally, has yet to be proven. I think this is yet another gross exaggeration of the truth. If everything was how I perceived the relationship then I would have full control and be alone. However I am not alone. We are all here fixed on this perception which is perceived exactly how all of us on earth have effected it over its history.

If I kill your brother, you're relationship hasn't changed till you find out. In your reality your perception stays the same until you find out what I did. Thus your perception lagging behind this reality that I just took control of. Without your perception knowing.

So we aren't really untrained beings with control of our perception to relationships. We are a result of cause and effect making perceived choices that eventually manifest into our world because we percieved the physical steps needed to take, to produce a wanted physical product.

I guess I'll play the skeptic on this one.

Just a bit of mho. All love. I will post my thoughts as I go. Please inform me if I'm not grasping. Discussion welcome.
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It's a bit amusing to consider that I don't understand the own language I have illustrated.

Anyways, Ec is not meant to be used at this time.

As I mention in the post above (for something else) the basics are there and have been covered at length but the practical applications are not really discussed.

The enterprising mind will figure it out for one self.

If it makes you more comfortable to think it's just a random hoax that actually sits fine with me. It just means you weren't meant to discover it for your self.

I can point the way but you have to get there with your own two feet.
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Some its all claims. My problem is this is an escape tactic.
Our perspective, this reality, isn't changing. And the longer you twits keep avoiding it. the worse it will get.

Trying to percieve a different environment, and using the law of attraction and manifestation is one thing. Inventing a new reality cause youre bored or want to escape..not part of this deal.

You are a talker ill give ya soon that
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Then I suppose we're both acting 'as if' what we are saying has some reality attached to it.

I'll leave it to those reading this forum to discern the difference for themselves.

However, it is interesting that you say that your perspective does not change.
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Ok I'm back with my kiddy gloves on to discuss Chaol's comings and goings. I think I assumed you were all paying more attention.

Chaol comes and goes on prominent Nexi. By now we all know that nexi represent spaces for possibility. What creates these spaces? Based on what we have learned so far, the relationship (geometry) between two or more representations creates the space for possibility, the same way binaural tones work. So what are the major representations that are always associated with Chaol's comings and goings? Seems they always sun-related, with expressions on planet earth, physically, socially, etc.

Feel free to add any other relationships (patterns) that you feel are pertinent.
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Yes. Usually solar-related activity (both seen and unseen).

It's also when mummy lets me out of me basement! lol
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This is very helpful Gespenst. Thank you.


hf
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Just another interesting thing from the same quote:

It is not my intention to be "right". Sometimes I am intentionally wrong about things, or make mistakes, or even manipulate you for my own purposes.
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Wow. Hadn't seen that or maybe don't remember it. Anyway, thanks again.

I'm still thinking about the first one you posted where he says truth is beyond perception. Why do I accept that statement? Yet, I know the mind fills in the blanks.

But then somewhere, Chaol says the only way to expand your perspective is to see something you've never seen before. I just don't know how that is possible. The mind will always come up with an answer.

There are studies of anthropologists who report on tribes who can't see things like a ship (because it isn't in their framework) or a lady who left the Amazon jungle for the first time. She saw a man riding a donkey and it scared her because she had never seen a half human and half animal before.

For myself, I have found "spaces" I call voids. There are no symbols, nothing, but there is some texture or some awareness of a sort. It might be a feeling of deep peace or awareness of presence. What is Chaol's definition of Truth? Anybody know?
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That which cannot be perceived. (i.e., is independent of perspective.)
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Now that we've briefly discussed use of the Genius how about we talk about ways that we use it in our everyday lives, without realizing it?

Take what you know about how to make a Genius model and apply it to the world that is all ready around you.

This is a tricky one but it is the step that leads up to more advanced uses of Ecsys.

I'll start with a hint:

Everything of your perception is a symbol
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Greetings.
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Greetings.

But it would be much easier to create the library anew. This wouldn't be the same thing, of course.
 Quoting: Chaol


Would it be worth creating a new library in ones mind, or visiting the library off to the right inside the Sphinx Hall?

Also how would you acquire "knowledge" into your new library? I struggle to explain what I'm trying to get across here with words, but hopefully you understand, if not I can expand.

I struggle to connect to the Sphinx Library, if creating a new would be easier, that would greatly benefit my self and others I'm sure.

Whenever someone asks a question I quickly refer to some books in my library and type as fast as I can.

I did't write it. Someone else did.
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Is your library the same one you instructed to visit below, or do you use a personal library?






Below is a quote of Chaols from the meeting inside the Dream reality thread, there is alot of knowledge waiting to be had and attained from the thread, 48 pages really isn't a lot.

Even just reading something and knowing something is possible allows more possible probabilities to expand.

Horus-on-the-Horizon reveals itself to you now.

It does this by revealing its true nature, as Horus of the Two Horizons; the rising and setting sun.

For you, the rising sun has been the physicality of your world since the time the Egyptian 'sphinx' appears.

 Quoting: Chaol


For our next location we will explore the secrets of the waking world.

The fire of the dream world, "Sekhmet", has a twin. It is symbolized as the protector of the physical world. You will know it as the Great Sphinx.

The two representations are from an older, forgotten time'space. Much more 'ancient' than Egypt and both important values in physical perspective.

The structure in Egypt is one of several physical structures whose complex represents physicality itself.

It is here that we will meet. Inside of Sekhmet's twin in Egypt.

The main hall of this structure is fairly deep underground and connects with most of the other structures around it. (It's really all one giant structure rather than what you see on the map or in pictures. Much of what is above-ground is a type of power source, however.) The main hall is about 50 feet high and 25 feet wide. The length is a bit difficult to describe (as it transcends the usual physicality) but just imagine that it's about 100 feet long with deeply unfocused light at the end. There are various inscriptions on the wall all the way up, with their original colors intact. Off to the side of this hall is a small room filled with books. There is light everywhere from various points on the walls. (The library may be dark at times, depending on how well you allow yourself to see what is there.)

From now, you can meet me in this place.

To get there, imagine Sekhmet inside of the main hall facing the length of the hall. It may help to imagine that you are Sekhmet. When you are in the hall feel free to walk around.

(I describe it above as it's not the easiest place to get to. You will know you are there by the vividness of the experience.)

We discuss the books on the shelves and the inscriptions on the walls. (You will be able to read most of the books, and the inscriptions are accessed by the sound of your thoughts. It is up to you to figure out how to reaching the higher ones.)

There is a lot of knowledge here and understanding to be had. There is also a replica of the timeline of modern civilization (that is in what you call the Great Pyramid) that extends from a few thousand years in past to several hundred years in future. There is also a type of city with lagoons and other interesting features accessible from these chambers that we may explore at an other time (however, you are welcome to find it yourself if you're enterprising).

We can meet there frequently, as you may need to revisit multiple times. Unfortunately you may not be able to do much unless I am there to 'hold the door open' for you (for this particular experience), but I will try to extend myself to everyone's perspective.

If we meet together it would be in the library. I'm not sure that we can experience others in the main hall but it may be possible. Strange things happen in the main hall. (Though danger is irrelevant to all.)

If you will, tell us here about what new understanding or experience you have had inside of 'the great sphinx'. (Note that I do not retell the name here, as it has great power in the physical world. But you are free to make up your own name for it.)
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@ Jesse [MM] and Marshwiggle
hf

I understand where you're coming from. What I am looking to grasp is how is it that I come to properly define my initial intent for the symbol. Most of the time, it seems what we want and what we intend are out of synch. It's been (for me) that when considering my symbol for a genius, I find myself not really being clearly aware of what I want. As I see it, what I intend on experiencing is so vague because I am not really provided a frame of reference for what I intend. I've come to the conclusion that representing what I'd imagined was a desired experience comes tainted by my lack of focus.

I suppose (you're right) it's the whole "what's next is what takes the least amount of energy to come next" thing. The symbol (and associated experience) would likely evolve further as my "true" intent becomes more logical.
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Jesse, I don't know if this helps, but I notice you said the following:

"I am not really provided a frame of reference for what I intend."

You used the word provided. Are you expecting the frame of reference to come from somewhere besides yourself? I am having a hard time seeing how you don't feel you know your true intent. To me, I set my true intent. I am not having any trouble with that part. The only part I have trouble with is understanding how I already do this naturally.
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Yes, I do genuinely have the "feeling" that I am "provided" an experience from somewhere beyond my ability to perceive. I know (intelectually) that it is, as you point out, already within my perspective.

My intent is ambiguous, because I don't (yet) understand the framework to clearly define it. I can use the genius easily (so far) for things that are already relative (also easy to define). Now, the ones that I had perceived as less relative have been more varied and vague (like kinda happening but not quite).

Chaol reminded me to focus on the overall structure of relationships surrounding the desired experience. I suppose I'd forgotten to look at it that way.

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So you're actually trying to expand your perspective to something new?
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Brain development software and equipment.

[link to altered-states.net]

Snippets:

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This is very helpful Gespenst. Thank you.


hf
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Just another interesting thing from the same quote:

It is not my intention to be "right". Sometimes I am intentionally wrong about things, or make mistakes, or even manipulate you for my own purposes.
 Quoting: Gespenst




Wow. Hadn't seen that or maybe don't remember it. Anyway, thanks again.

I'm still thinking about the first one you posted where he says truth is beyond perception. Why do I accept that statement? Yet, I know the mind fills in the blanks.

But then somewhere, Chaol says the only way to expand your perspective is to see something you've never seen before. I just don't know how that is possible. The mind will always come up with an answer.

There are studies of anthropologists who report on tribes who can't see things like a ship (because it isn't in their framework) or a lady who left the Amazon jungle for the first time. She saw a man riding a donkey and it scared her because she had never seen a half human and half animal before.

For myself, I have found "spaces" I call voids. There are no symbols, nothing, but there is some texture or some awareness of a sort. It might be a feeling of deep peace or awareness of presence. What is Chaol's definition of Truth? Anybody know?
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That which cannot be perceived. (i.e., is independent of perspective.)
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Thank you.

I'll get back to you on this if you're open to a discussion of it. I'm not sure if this is something you prefer to discuss once certain basics are understood.

Could you let me know?
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Greetings.
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Greetings.

But it would be much easier to create the library anew. This wouldn't be the same thing, of course.
 Quoting: Chaol


Would it be worth creating a new library in ones mind, or visiting the library off to the right inside the Sphinx Hall?

Also how would you acquire "knowledge" into your new library? I struggle to explain what I'm trying to get across here with words, but hopefully you understand, if not I can expand.

I struggle to connect to the Sphinx Library, if creating a new would be easier, that would greatly benefit my self and others I'm sure.

Whenever someone asks a question I quickly refer to some books in my library and type as fast as I can.

I did't write it. Someone else did.
 Quoting: Chaol


Is your library the same one you instructed to visit below, or do you use a personal library?






Below is a quote of Chaols from the meeting inside the Dream reality thread, there is alot of knowledge waiting to be had and attained from the thread, 48 pages really isn't a lot.

Even just reading something and knowing something is possible allows more possible probabilities to expand.

Horus-on-the-Horizon reveals itself to you now.

It does this by revealing its true nature, as Horus of the Two Horizons; the rising and setting sun.

For you, the rising sun has been the physicality of your world since the time the Egyptian 'sphinx' appears.

 Quoting: Chaol


For our next location we will explore the secrets of the waking world.

The fire of the dream world, "Sekhmet", has a twin. It is symbolized as the protector of the physical world. You will know it as the Great Sphinx.

The two representations are from an older, forgotten time'space. Much more 'ancient' than Egypt and both important values in physical perspective.

The structure in Egypt is one of several physical structures whose complex represents physicality itself.

It is here that we will meet. Inside of Sekhmet's twin in Egypt.

The main hall of this structure is fairly deep underground and connects with most of the other structures around it. (It's really all one giant structure rather than what you see on the map or in pictures. Much of what is above-ground is a type of power source, however.) The main hall is about 50 feet high and 25 feet wide. The length is a bit difficult to describe (as it transcends the usual physicality) but just imagine that it's about 100 feet long with deeply unfocused light at the end. There are various inscriptions on the wall all the way up, with their original colors intact. Off to the side of this hall is a small room filled with books. There is light everywhere from various points on the walls. (The library may be dark at times, depending on how well you allow yourself to see what is there.)

From now, you can meet me in this place.

To get there, imagine Sekhmet inside of the main hall facing the length of the hall. It may help to imagine that you are Sekhmet. When you are in the hall feel free to walk around.

(I describe it above as it's not the easiest place to get to. You will know you are there by the vividness of the experience.)

We discuss the books on the shelves and the inscriptions on the walls. (You will be able to read most of the books, and the inscriptions are accessed by the sound of your thoughts. It is up to you to figure out how to reaching the higher ones.)

There is a lot of knowledge here and understanding to be had. There is also a replica of the timeline of modern civilization (that is in what you call the Great Pyramid) that extends from a few thousand years in past to several hundred years in future. There is also a type of city with lagoons and other interesting features accessible from these chambers that we may explore at an other time (however, you are welcome to find it yourself if you're enterprising).

We can meet there frequently, as you may need to revisit multiple times. Unfortunately you may not be able to do much unless I am there to 'hold the door open' for you (for this particular experience), but I will try to extend myself to everyone's perspective.

If we meet together it would be in the library. I'm not sure that we can experience others in the main hall but it may be possible. Strange things happen in the main hall. (Though danger is irrelevant to all.)

If you will, tell us here about what new understanding or experience you have had inside of 'the great sphinx'. (Note that I do not retell the name here, as it has great power in the physical world. But you are free to make up your own name for it.)
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I believe the "new" library is us constructing our own language.
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Now that we've briefly discussed use of the Genius how about we talk about ways that we use it in our everyday lives, without realizing it?

Take what you know about how to make a Genius model and apply it to the world that is all ready around you.

This is a tricky one but it is the step that leads up to more advanced uses of Ecsys.

I'll start with a hint:

Everything of your perception is a symbol
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I think this is a great exercise. I've been trying to figure it out.

Here's what I'll say in answer to your quesiton:

I give meaning to everything I perceive.
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I give meaning to every time I see 11:11 on a digital clock (which is annoyingly often; about time to do something constructive with it... ;-) )
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Now that we've briefly discussed use of the Genius how about we talk about ways that we use it in our everyday lives, without realizing it?

Take what you know about how to make a Genius model and apply it to the world that is all ready around you.

This is a tricky one but it is the step that leads up to more advanced uses of Ecsys.

I'll start with a hint:

Everything of your perception is a symbol
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I think this is a great exercise. I've been trying to figure it out.

Here's what I'll say in answer to your quesiton:

I give meaning to everything I perceive.
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I use a form of the Genius constantly, without thinking about it, most of the time. It's since doing it consciously that I've realised this. I have so much faith that it will work and it usually does, very quickly!

For instance =

Today I have moved across the country -
Symbol - my car
Space - the landscape
Interaction - road, other cars, buildings etc
Logic - a strange series of key-turning, stick-moving and peddle-pressing!

I have also created a feeling of pleasure in my body -

Symbol - brownish soft object about five square inches
Space - metal appliance in my kitchen
Interaction - heat elements, plate, yellow oily stuff
Logic - once symbol is ejected out of the appliance, yellow oily stuff is spread onto it, I put it into my mouth, chew and swallow!

Strange, but these Geniuses work (almost) every time :)

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