Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

If the Genius is a map from one perception to another, here are some examples of changing environments:

Preschool: a few hours a day, begin to interact with others and experience a form of independence
(Genius 1)

Kindergarten-Elementary school: all-day classes, making of friends and developing own identity, exploration of mental knowledge
(Genius 2)

High School: Many classes, positive and negative interactions with others, emphasis on future direction and goals, testing of personal limitations and boundaries
(Genius 3)

College: Sudden decrease in class length and time spent in classroom environment, emphasis on independence and self-reliance, interaction with others from diverse backgrounds, work towards 'mastery' of particular subject
(Genius 4)

Post-College: could have similar geometry to any previous Genius, depends on lifestyle choice.

These illustrate the progress of knowledge and autonomy during first 20-ish years of 'life'.

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Entering the dreamworld
Symbol - Queen size bed
Space - Bedroom
Interaction - Trying to gain an inch of mattress and pillow, while cats are faster than me as they jump over
Logic - Turning to left side of body, closing eyes and following colored shapes, until waking consciousness fades away

Happy End of the World, everyone :)

Same to you.

See you on the other side!

Forgot to add that I interact with my environment, esp, the things I strongly like or dislike.

And happy end of the world? Yes, I'm looking forward to it, heh!

Yay!

Happy End of the World to you too!

I am teyerd my love, gravity is what it is not. Why has never left, I am here......lets do this

AND(DNA)the "dream" ISIS





















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For #1, would that not imply that each observer has their own wave of possibilities?

For #3, if it is unobserved then it would not relate to anything and would not thus have a state.

Sol represents this particular brand of physicality. Everything physical (as we know it) has its 'origin' there.

Every 'level' of physicality has a sun, you could say. From the particles on up to the universe.

The potential energy of the sun is made relative through interaction (solar activity).

However, this activity is as much in your body as in what appears to be the center of your solar system.

In one way it's the same thing.

In an other, perhaps more practical, way it's a connection. (In this way you can reach other possibilities of physically-oriented experience.) It's one reason you could stand next to it and not burn (although your clothes and equipment may, as they have a less-relative 'sun' at their center).

The universe is, indeed, your body in all respects.

The same way you can tell about what time you'll be hungry.

The activity on/of your sun is the same activity in/of your body.

Yup and yup. But for #3 one could say "no energy is independent of perspective(observation)". Until something is observed it seems to sit out there (as a possibility) un-rendered waiting to become logical (enough to be rendered).

Sure. Not if you think of it in the traditional sense.

Why not see your numbers match right now, in a different way?

I think many of us have a good understanding of the basics to move up a notch.

A small notch ;)

(Far many more persons have accomplished something with their Genius. Some speak up, though.)

Yes, otherwise, we couldn't perceive it. And since it all operates by "laws," I think we are proving there is a Universal Source.

And yet, some perceive, even to the point of knowing how to do so, by using symbols within the mind.

I think we have proven a Source....which is a network of symbols. Otherwise, how can our world, who does not know how it arranges these symbols, still perceive?

The symbols exist or how can it be explained that we are able to arrange them into geometrical relationships?

Infinity exploring the finite.

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I love that thought! ^^^^^^^^^^^

Yeah, I was just fishing, heh!!!!

That's exciting....let's do move it up! WhoooHOooo!

YES.

Also, I appreciate your use of the word "of" here. Everything of my perception. Good stuff.

:D

Which gets us back to the question of existence and non-existence. It doesn't exist until it is perceived. We use symbols so we can perceive it. Where do the symbols and/or the knowledge to use them come from?

In our world, we use them without even knowing how. So, they exist.

I imagine it "happened" something like this...

In the beginning (yes the very beginning) there was nothing. This nothing is not nothing, it's something. It is impossible to define as it lies outside of anything we can or will ever perceive (it is perception). This "ability to perceive" required additional things be generated at the same time. It "presupposed" a random soup of pure "true" randomness. Within that "perspective", patterns emerged and not necessarily in a physical sense. Could have been the most simple of concepts at first, but in "true" randomness (without time) you can have complex patterns emerge (including time and the observer). Some could just have initial conditions where minute changes over time are allowed. Include continued existence for a concept that can grow in meaning and adjust itself based on what it is currently experiencing.

You see, I don't know that nothing exists, because nothing is as random as possible. Nothing is ever provable. You can only collect evidence of experience and work to predict and understand the probability for it to happen. This evidence allows you to judge how the future can behave.

As I see it, this is how you(we) got here. Or if nothing else, it is how we formed within the framework of these "physical bodies" and their perceived environment. All of your past could have been generated (in whole) at this moment with you as complex as you are.

Edit- Not only did we come into being capable of experience like this, I believe it is this possibility space that we abuse by using the Genius. We provide perspective a possibility for something previously not logical. Once we allow it to interact it is queued into experience. The more irrelevant the symbol the more possibility for that beautiful "true" random to be abused(utilized).

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I totally agree with the bolded statement.

I couldn't say about the rest but thank you for sharing it. Gives me a lot to think about.

When I consider that I am at this very moment, perceiving a body, a computer in a room, sitting in a chair, a past, a future, family, etc:, etc:, etc;, without knowing how, then it must be that there is a mind or intelligent design. Something that is providing "material" for me to arrange into perspective.

How could it be otherwise? I don't know what I'm doing but there is some kind of GENIUS involved, LOL!


What is your definition of the subconscious? (Let's not assume any of us knows what anyone else is basing logic on.) I am thinking, at this point, the subconscious is the universal mind that I tap into and re-arrange for perspective of endless possibilities.

Subconscious, from a hypnotherapy standpoint is the part of you that you're unaware of. I'd argue that's true.

Following on, I am not implying that there are observers or each has its own wave of possibilities, for #1.

There is no observer in the broad sense. There is only that which (seems to) perceive.

What laws might those be?

It does not seem to follow that there is a "Universal Source" beyond your own perspective, implied from the above.

Whatever order we arrange them is logical.

It could be completely random but we would still make sense of it.

That is, indeed, what is done.

We perceive nothing. There is no inherent order or logic in "nothing".

We make sense of it, according to our perspective.

If you relate anything to anything else it is a relationship and, thus, can be logical.

Infinity does not actually exist, for "nothing" is not actually infinite. However, when we perceive of nothing it appears infinite because it is impossible to perceive of anything directly.

Even when it is perceive it does not exist, but only seem to exist because we have related (what appears to be) something with (what appears to be) something else.

We cannot perceive of something because there is only Nothing.

When we relate one illusion with an other, existence seems to be. When, actually, it was never there at all.

The symbols don't come from anywhere. They don't need to.

When you relate one thing with an other thing (both illusions) you have a symbol (that is also an illusion).

If there was ever a "source" it is Nothing. But we don't pull something out of nothing as it would be a waste of energy (and also impossible). There need only be the illusion of us doing so.

We have a taste of this at every moment in physicality. Things appear solid and are 'good enough' for their purpose. They need not be solid throughout or even real.

We need only relate. And relating two illusions together completely satisfies the need to relate.

Trying to think untraditionally...

but not coming up with anything useful.

Can you elaborate Chaol?


Thanks

They all ready do.

There is far more life in our electronics that we realize. It would be as though there we were surrounded by a whole world of intelligent beings but we only used and analyzed their poopings.

We look at their form of communication and consider it something that we have invented or discovered.

Two elephants are in the forest and, for the first time, they head humans talking. One elephant turns to the other and says, "I have discovered a new type of sound!" and proceeds to dance to get other humans to visit, thus making more sounds.

What we 'invent' is a discovery of something that was all ready there.