Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

Let's take a look at how you do this all ready.

When you fall asleep you start to imagine things. You are not really 'asleep' at this time but you are pretending to be. You are creating an illusion that you are in order to create the relationship that "results". Your mind does not care if something is real to you or not because everything is equally real.

So you start to hear a sound in your room that is not there to your waking mind and your dreaming mind says "Now I am creating a relationship, a bridge between the two minds. I created an illusion of a sound and you created a real relationship with the dream world. Now you are asleep because that sound formed other relationships. The sound became a bird became a park became an entire story."

You start with a single symbol, a representation. It interacts with other representations, forming a relationship. The symbol is an illusion (whether in your Genius model or not) that creates a "real" relationship.



That's about it. The "sound" was never there but it does not matter. It effects a relationship that is more relative to you (more real, as it were).

Create the 'sound' of you being as rich as you want to be. Don't just imagine. (Imagination creates an entire world.. in your imagination. It's real to itself but you'd want to make it relative to your physical experience if you want to experience it in this world.)

So don't just imagine it. Allow it to have an effect on your physical reality.

That's how you're pulled into the world of your dreams, becoming reality.

The part of you you're not aware of is all ready represented in that which you are aware of.

That is to say, those parts of you that you don't know about are those parts that aren't immediately relative to you but exist entirely in your current perspective in an other way. (If they did not you would not be able to experience anything that you did not know.)

That is to say, the bug in the corner is a perfect representation of the trip you will take in 5 years to South America.

What matters is the geometry of relationships. So the relationship your current perspective has with the bug in the corner is the same as the trip you will take in 5 years. (This is how everything exists now and here, and nothing else need to.)

Every possibility is a perspective. And it is all now and here.

There is not alternate universe!!! ... damn you people are stupid

The biggest "intergalactic news" should be released shortly.

I don't know if the world is ready for it but I suppose we'll find out soon enough.

Every relationship is a nexus point.

The more something has a relationship with other things the 'bigger' the nexus point.

I use the Sun because it represents physicality and has a greater interaction with our world than, say, Coca-Cola. (Although that could be used, too, strangely enough.)

You're actually right about that there is no alternate universe.

That's why I put it in quotes ;)

3 Cookies for you!!!

Last Edited by Chaol on 12/21/2012 11:35 PM

I'm ready been waiting so long. Love your thread by the way. :)

Everything physically-perceived is physical and has physical properties.

However, physical objects and space are not inherently physical.

Sounds, light, thoughts, ideas, etc., are physical when interacting with physicality. When not interacting with physicality we do not perceive of them (as our perspective is physically-oriented).

NASA's M.O. is as old as some of their equipment.

They still operate as though people are afraid of little green men.

"Hey, everybody we have a big announcement next week!"

[Next week] "The announcement is... we found an insignificant microbe on Mars. Isn't that exciting?!?"

[One week after] Oh, by the way we also found a flowing river on Triton and an Earth-like planet not too far away."

It's amusing to see how the Little Prince of illusion, smoke, and mirrors, does things.

It should be, "What you consider your physical body is mostly non-human."

Other values in your perspective influence ('infect', though infect as not used in a negative, parasitical sense) one-another. This isn't just a sort of hundreth-monkey effect but entails everything in your perspective.

This is obvious when we smell something (that invokes a memory or emotion, for example) but less obvious when we think or see something, feel heat and pressure, get sleepy, etc.

We may get an ability (or illness) from outer space but outer space is still a part of our perspective. It's simply a way for one to interact with an other.



Irrelevant.

An 'outer influence' is a less-relative part of perspective, not something independent of it.

Regarding my meeting my girlfriend someone asked if I had known that I was going to. I basically implied that there are some things that I don't want to know about and that I did not know who she would be.

Perspective, nothing more. Nothing outside of it, despite our best efforts to make there be something there.

Last Edited by Chaol on 12/22/2012 12:00 AM

Clever, but the obvious question knocks on the door.

Where is your dream self right now? Could that be the 'other you' that awaits?

Well-put :)

It is easy to miss the universal importance of perspective but that is the answer for all of the above.

There is no decision or being independent of your perspective. Your perspective 'creates' these things (if you're looking for creation).

Asking if there is a higher power is like taking a trip through space. You are certainly welcome to think one direction is up and the other down if that makes it easy for you. But there is no up or down in space. Up and down are the same and, therefore, irrelevant.

The question is, again, "What is outside of my perspective?"

We look for something that does not exist and, more importantly, does not need to.

That is the higher power you seek. But, unfortunately, it cannot be perceived, is beyond perception, is irrelevant, is beyond perspective, is without consideration, etc.

It does not exist and does not need to.

Of this I can really say nothing at all ;)

Last Edited by Chaol on 12/22/2012 12:11 AM

As I am catching up with the thread, I started this exercise last night.
I hope I am doing this right.

I have a small owl-shaped beeswax candle that used to sit on top of the fireplace. I like the little owl, so I never burnt it, and used it as decoration.

I decided to keep the symbol and change the other values, so I moved it to the bathroom shelf.

Before:
symbol - wax owl candle
interaction - all elements in the living room
possibility/space - shelf above fireplace
logic - lifting up to dust off shelf every now and then

Now:
symbol - wax owl candle
interaction - all elements in the bathroom
possibility/space - shelf above bathroom sink
logic - placing it on sink every time I brush my teeth

Is this correct?
Am I supposed to give the candle another function other than decoration?

Also, because at the same time I am naturally moving things around and cleaning up clutter (though without intentional new rules/logic), how can I specifically keep track of the effects of having moved the owl? Right now, it feels as if I simply moved the owl, except for the added new rules which keep my attention to it in a different way.

Thank you for any clarifications.

Hi.

Did you create the wax owl candle?

No. I bought it a couple of years ago at a fair market.
My understanding was that we should use any object/symbol already around us (toothbrush, coin, etc.). A different exercise than creating a Genius symbol. Is this correct?

On another note, I recall Chaol saying at the beginning of the thread, to create new words for experiences we intend to perceive.

My neighbors got a white kitten, very cute (and the clone of my white cat Leonardo when he was a baby cat). The kitten of course likes to play and explore, and she has been a pest getting in and stealing the food on all occasions. My main activity has been chasing away the cat for a while now, lol. Basically, I am under siege at all times.

When she gets bigger, my poor Leo may get mistakenly chased instead of her...

Today, as I was exercising with the open door, I thought of Chaol's words, and came up with the word "kabuchu" to express the experience of an open door in complete relaxation. Within the concept of "kabuchu", my cats are free to move around and get in and out. it's not a limit to them, only a border where the unwanted stays out.

Kabuchu represents all entrances, including the gate to the garden, a peaceful territory.

Since I implemented it a few hours ago, I've seen the kitten only once (vs. all the time), and I chased her saying the word out loud to her. The door is open as I am typing this!

I'll keep you posted on how it goes, I am assuming there will be some bleed-through as the new experience adjusts itself.

I can see this already. What overwhelms is the dialogue that must go along with each of these experiences. I almost think I almost prefer not knowing how I use symbols as I do now.

It seems your life would be non-stop chattering of Ec so as to perceive: a body, feeling the chair you are sitting on while at the computer, listening to the heater and tv from the other room, which you are also 'creating' along with sunlight shining through the window and the smell of lunch wafting by. And at the same time remembering what all you want to experience. Whew!!!

Sounds very busy to me.

Last Edited by U3 on 12/22/2012 11:41 AM

So you don't really need remote control, do you? Heh!

I imagine the inner dialogue is what we are heading to if we are to learn how you function. To me, your results are very similar to what we do here through meditation.

The main difference I see is that 'your' way is more aware of how things work resulting in a completely different experience compared to living life in the astral body.

Your first statement brings a thought to me. If we are taking symbols to arrange patterns (in our mind) and then letting the Genius do the work, what is the Genius exactly?

Here's what you say on the website:

"Using the Genius you can create a map from one perception to the next. If you can imagine it then you can show yourself how to get there from where you are. The best part about the Genius maps is that we're working with locations in your mind, not physical locations. The steps above should provide the necessary intent to your "subconscious" to make that shift happen"

What do you call the subconscious?

And I can see that I make use of multiple representations simultaneously because look at all that's going on at any time. What I wonder about is how you get any rest knowing how you do this? It seems you would be always conscious of what you are thinking. It doesn't sound restful to me at this point in my understanding.

This is nice. Thanks.

I can believe we perceive that which takes no energy because otherwise, how could I have so much going on at any time?

So something is only real if it is independent? That would comply with the idea I don't exist because I am dependent on illusions. (But I'm still hung up on this....can't believe I don't exist and the things I see, smell, do, etc: are nothing.

Verrrrrrry interesting. Makes me go hmmmmmmmmmm. So I see why I bring brochures of the trip I want to take, home. And leave symbols in spaces I want to interact with more. I'm just trying to figure out how I do this already.

Currently, (except for Genius experiments) I don't leave symbols around where I want new or expanded experiences.

Wow! I think we are getting a little input re: 2013!!!!! I wonder if we are talking about

Sun would sure be easy to use for space in a Genius. (Well, as long as you didn't live in a region where it's dark for 6 mos.!) Unless you know how to use it in regards to your body??????

I appreciate your patience in answering all my questions. As you can see, I want to leave no stone un-turned. I still don't quite understand how you explain how you allow some things to just happen in your life, since you are conscious of how you explore possibilities.

Are you in some way exploring the possibility of "things just happen"?

What is outside my perspective is now my favorite thought!

So, all these people I think I know who are 'beyond the veil' and united with their 'higher self' is my own perspective!!!!!!!!!

So, now I am looking at how I ended up with this in my perspective. I've always looked for Truth.

So, I ended up with a boyfriend (met him through a girlfriend who highly recommended him) who had a book sitting on his table that I picked up and read.

It had 'new' ideas (to me) which opened the door to exploring this new area of 'Truth' and finding more and more authors and people experiencing it. I even experimented and experienced some of the same things myself. However, I did see that whatever beliefs I held at the time, influenced my understanding of what happened.

So...I still searched for Truth.

I eventually ended up in GLP and eventually saw this thread on the front page of the forum, for about the 1,000th time, heh! I finally decided to see what it's about.

Now, I'm here still searching for Truth!!!!

(I do feel I"m much closer now, heh!)

What was it you said the other day Chaol....everything stays the same, everything changes?

Hi! I guess I'm probably the newest poster here and as you can see, I'm still catching on. (I'm also hogging the thread and I apologize but I might as well. I want to learn this and interactive works better for me than reading walls of text! I tell myself it's for the good of everybody too! We are getting lots of information, heh!!!!)

Anyway, thanks for sharing your experience here. It's interesting. I remember the same thing about creating words and the other poster that tried it, had immediate results too.

I've been trying to decide what I want to create a word for because I really desire new experiences.

Anyway, please do keep us updated on this. I hadn't thought of using it for something like you are.

Also, @Jesse......you go, broh!!!!

Funny. I don't remember posting that, but I know I've thought about it.

Chaol, can you explain the meaning behind 'chemtrails' used to 'cover' the sun? What is the purpose of limiting interaction with its perceived energy?

Last Edited by CatCarel on 12/22/2012 01:11 PM

Think of interaction with a new space as a form of the Genius.

Hi Unit3!

Hog the thread away, from what I could glimpse, your questions and comments are great, and a wonderful opportunity to read more of Chaol's responses!

I'm still catching up from where I left, and in order to grasp everything, I have to follow the thread linearly, for now only quickly going through the latest posts.

So far, the kitten seems uninterested in getting in... I saw her a second time this afternoon, but only in the garden, in spite of the open door... errr kabuchu. As of now, coming back from horseback riding class, she hasn't even trespassed the garden, just looked at me from a distance!

I am curious about tomorrow.

Now I want to create more words for other experiences, I'll keep you updated. :)