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Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

 
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Conceptually I get that perspective of relationships is all that matters and that the rest is illusory and subject to the logic we "believe" for our current perspective.

But, how can i shift through a current representation in my "real" perspective in order to arrive at winning the lottery first?

It makes sense that it is possible, I'm just not sure how to practically achieve it.

 Quoting: Dodec 20177375


Let's take a look at how you do this all ready.

When you fall asleep you start to imagine things. You are not really 'asleep' at this time but you are pretending to be. You are creating an illusion that you are in order to create the relationship that "results". Your mind does not care if something is real to you or not because everything is equally real.

So you start to hear a sound in your room that is not there to your waking mind and your dreaming mind says "Now I am creating a relationship, a bridge between the two minds. I created an illusion of a sound and you created a real relationship with the dream world. Now you are asleep because that sound formed other relationships. The sound became a bird became a park became an entire story."

You start with a single symbol, a representation. It interacts with other representations, forming a relationship. The symbol is an illusion (whether in your Genius model or not) that creates a "real" relationship.

I could create relationships around the way I would act, see, etc. as if I had won the lottery and then let my perspective shift filling in a past where I had winning numbers. Just not sure how it is feasible

Any help is appreciated,
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 Quoting: Dodec 20177375


That's about it. The "sound" was never there but it does not matter. It effects a relationship that is more relative to you (more real, as it were).

Create the 'sound' of you being as rich as you want to be. Don't just imagine. (Imagination creates an entire world.. in your imagination. It's real to itself but you'd want to make it relative to your physical experience if you want to experience it in this world.)

So don't just imagine it. Allow it to have an effect on your physical reality.

That's how you're pulled into the world of your dreams, becoming reality.
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I do feel there is a part of me I"m not aware of, just wondering how I got there.
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The part of you you're not aware of is all ready represented in that which you are aware of.

That is to say, those parts of you that you don't know about are those parts that aren't immediately relative to you but exist entirely in your current perspective in an other way. (If they did not you would not be able to experience anything that you did not know.)

That is to say, the bug in the corner is a perfect representation of the trip you will take in 5 years to South America.

What matters is the geometry of relationships. So the relationship your current perspective has with the bug in the corner is the same as the trip you will take in 5 years. (This is how everything exists now and here, and nothing else need to.)

Every possibility is a perspective. And it is all now and here.
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There is not alternate universe!!! ... damn you people are stupid
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Gespenst, here's the NASA announcement we've been waiting on...magnetic highway at the end of the Solar System....


[link to www.rawstory.com]
 Quoting: Unit3


The biggest "intergalactic news" should be released shortly.

I don't know if the world is ready for it but I suppose we'll find out soon enough.
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1) When you got off the escalator at the mall and saw the popcorn, was the popcorn to your right?

2) What areas would you say your expertise is in? I ask this so I know what questions to ask you. I have many, heh!
 Quoting: Unit3


The popcorn was in front of me because I actually did a 360 to stop and laugh.

My specialty is in the Genius model and ecsys language.
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Did you turn left or right when you did the 360?


How do you connect a Genius to a nexus point?

And how do you ascertain a nexus point? If we create our perspective, don't we also create the nexus point?
 Quoting: Unit3

I turned left.

The nexus point is a built in portion of the genius. All possibility (anything used for space, energy or capacity) is a nexus point. The size of the nexus point can vary. New York City on 9/11 = huge nexus. Your bathroom at 2:36 am yesterday = small nexus point.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1484132


Every relationship is a nexus point.

The more something has a relationship with other things the 'bigger' the nexus point.

I use the Sun because it represents physicality and has a greater interaction with our world than, say, Coca-Cola. (Although that could be used, too, strangely enough.)
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There is not alternate universe!!! ... damn you people are stupid
 Quoting: TSWB21


You're actually right about that there is no alternate universe.

That's why I put it in quotes ;)

3 Cookies for you!!!

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Gespenst, here's the NASA announcement we've been waiting on...magnetic highway at the end of the Solar System....


[link to www.rawstory.com]
 Quoting: Unit3


The biggest "intergalactic news" should be released shortly.

I don't know if the world is ready for it but I suppose we'll find out soon enough.
 Quoting: Chaol



I'm ready been waiting so long. Love your thread by the way. :)
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Gespenst, here's the NASA announcement we've been waiting on...magnetic highway at the end of the Solar System....


[link to www.rawstory.com]
 Quoting: Unit3

Even though we have learned that space is not physical, this article about reaching the very edges of our solar system still excites my neurons. Look at what we have here with the Voyagers I and II: symbols, logic, interaction and possibilty. All of the gods are involved.
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But isn't everything physical?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1484132


Everything physically-perceived is physical and has physical properties.

However, physical objects and space are not inherently physical.

Sounds, light, thoughts, ideas, etc., are physical when interacting with physicality. When not interacting with physicality we do not perceive of them (as our perspective is physically-oriented).
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Gespenst, here's the NASA announcement we've been waiting on...magnetic highway at the end of the Solar System....


[link to www.rawstory.com]
 Quoting: Unit3


I have read about this, very interesting!

But the annoucement was about Mars, and it end up being not what everybody was expecting: [link to www.huffingtonpost.com]

Still awesome though.
 Quoting: Gespenst


NASA's M.O. is as old as some of their equipment.

They still operate as though people are afraid of little green men.

"Hey, everybody we have a big announcement next week!"

[Next week] "The announcement is... we found an insignificant microbe on Mars. Isn't that exciting?!?"

[One week after] Oh, by the way we also found a flowing river on Triton and an Earth-like planet not too far away."

It's amusing to see how the Little Prince of illusion, smoke, and mirrors, does things.
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Gespenst, here's the NASA announcement we've been waiting on...magnetic highway at the end of the Solar System....

[link to www.rawstory.com]
 Quoting: Unit3

Even though we have learned that space is not physical, this article about reaching the very edges of our solar system still excites my neurons. Look at what we have here with the Voyagers I and II: symbols, logic, interaction and possibilty. All of the gods are involved.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6853315


I still don't understand why the website says:

"Your physical body is mostly non-human.

Emotions like happiness and loneliness, diseases like cancer and schizophrenia, and abilities like cognition and communication are actually infections we get from animals, food, the environment, outer space, and other people."


Sounds to me like there is physicality (but we are evolving away from it) and also there is something outside of a single perspective. Otherwise, why would one create an infection from outer space?
 Quoting: Unit3


It should be, "What you consider your physical body is mostly non-human."

Other values in your perspective influence ('infect', though infect as not used in a negative, parasitical sense) one-another. This isn't just a sort of hundreth-monkey effect but entails everything in your perspective.

This is obvious when we smell something (that invokes a memory or emotion, for example) but less obvious when we think or see something, feel heat and pressure, get sleepy, etc.

We may get an ability (or illness) from outer space but outer space is still a part of our perspective. It's simply a way for one to interact with an other.

Could Chaol possibly believe in a Higher Power but not call it that or not recognize it? Has anyone ever asked Chaol who created him? (I have a question waiting on him in another post earlier in this thread. I believe he does believe in some kind of outer influence....after all, he says it just happened that he met his girlfriend....what made it "just happen?:)
 Quoting: Unit3


Irrelevant.

An 'outer influence' is a less-relative part of perspective, not something independent of it.

Regarding my meeting my girlfriend someone asked if I had known that I was going to. I basically implied that there are some things that I don't want to know about and that I did not know who she would be.

Perspective, nothing more. Nothing outside of it, despite our best efforts to make there be something there.

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Has anyone ever asked Chaol who created him?
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Okay, okay. Look. There is something that is, like, on the tip of my tongue.

Consciousness is the result of at least two things interacting, right? Consciousness is the geometry formed when two things relate.

You are conscious, right? I am, too, I guess. I mean, here I am! Here you are!

This means that at least two things are interacting, forming a consciousness which we are calling "me".

When Chaol is in our world, he is conscious (or appears to be! lol). That means that something is interacting with something else in order to form a geometry that results in a consciousness that we are calling "Chaol".

So, what is Chaol when he is NOT intersecting this world? What are WE when we are NOT intersecting this world?

Could it be that we are also what Chaol is? Could THAT be the "other you" that is waiting for us?

Chaol has asked very plainly, "If I am you, then what am I?"

Well...
Well...
Aaargh.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6853315


Clever, but the obvious question knocks on the door.

Where is your dream self right now? Could that be the 'other you' that awaits?
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Gespenst, here's the NASA announcement we've been waiting on...magnetic highway at the end of the Solar System....


[link to www.rawstory.com]
 Quoting: Unit3

Even though we have learned that space is not physical, this article about reaching the very edges of our solar system still excites my neurons. Look at what we have here with the Voyagers I and II: symbols, logic, interaction and possibilty. All of the gods are involved.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6853315


I still don't understand why the website says:

"Your physical body is mostly non-human.

Emotions like happiness and loneliness, diseases like cancer and schizophrenia, and abilities like cognition and communication are actually infections we get from animals, food, the environment, outer space, and other people."


Sounds to me like there is physicality (but we are evolving away from it) and also there is something outside of a single perspective. Otherwise, why would one create an infection from outer space?

Could Chaol possibly believe in a Higher Power but not call it that or not recognize it? Has anyone ever asked Chaol who created him? (I have a question waiting on him in another post earlier in this thread. I believe he does believe in some kind of outer influence....after all, he says it just happened that he met his girlfriend....what made it "just happen?:)
 Quoting: Unit3


I think he likes to use language that he believes we will understand. Chaol's "infected" is a funny word. The way I see Chaol use it, there is an implication of an almost symbiotic relationship with that which "infects" or has a relationship to us.

If you "have" cancer, you're exploring the relationships around "cancer". Chaol had noted previously that to drink alcohol is to merge your perspective with the "alcohol" perspective. We experience these as "infections", but they're an exploration of what we perceive to be alternate perspectives or even ways of perceiving (if we consider more "intense" drugs etc..).

[snips]
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Well-put :)
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Has anyone ever asked Chaol who created him?
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Okay, okay. Look. There is something that is, like, on the tip of my tongue.

Consciousness is the result of at least two things interacting, right? Consciousness is the geometry formed when two things relate.

You are conscious, right? I am, too, I guess. I mean, here I am! Here you are!

This means that at least two things are interacting, forming a consciousness which we are calling "me".

When Chaol is in our world, he is conscious (or appears to be! lol). That means that something is interacting with something else in order to form a geometry that results in a consciousness that we are calling "Chaol".

So, what is Chaol when he is NOT intersecting this world? What are WE when we are NOT intersecting this world?

Could it be that we are also what Chaol is? Could THAT be the "other you" that is waiting for us?

Chaol has asked very plainly, "If I am you, then what am I?"

Well...
Well...
Aaargh.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6853315


This is my predicament too.

What am I without my perceptions? If Chaol is so aware that he is creating his perceptions, then doesn't he have some kind of awareness as to what his beingness is as well? Or, is he only aware of how he creates them and that's it.

And, why did he say there would be a split where each would go its own way in infinity. If this is true, who decides this? To me, Chaol is stating there is some kind of power beyond him or else he is capable of making that split happen.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9834739


It is easy to miss the universal importance of perspective but that is the answer for all of the above.

There is no decision or being independent of your perspective. Your perspective 'creates' these things (if you're looking for creation).

Asking if there is a higher power is like taking a trip through space. You are certainly welcome to think one direction is up and the other down if that makes it easy for you. But there is no up or down in space. Up and down are the same and, therefore, irrelevant.

The question is, again, "What is outside of my perspective?"

We look for something that does not exist and, more importantly, does not need to.

That is the higher power you seek. But, unfortunately, it cannot be perceived, is beyond perception, is irrelevant, is beyond perspective, is without consideration, etc.

It does not exist and does not need to.

Of this I can really say nothing at all ;)

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[snips]

Expanded Perspective Exercise

[snips]

To expand your perspective, change the values of the elements. When you change the values you are not only changing your relationship with that thing but seeing how expansive your perspective really is.

[snips]

Let me know if something can be clarified.
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As I am catching up with the thread, I started this exercise last night.
I hope I am doing this right.

I have a small owl-shaped beeswax candle that used to sit on top of the fireplace. I like the little owl, so I never burnt it, and used it as decoration.

I decided to keep the symbol and change the other values, so I moved it to the bathroom shelf.

Before:
symbol - wax owl candle
interaction - all elements in the living room
possibility/space - shelf above fireplace
logic - lifting up to dust off shelf every now and then

Now:
symbol - wax owl candle
interaction - all elements in the bathroom
possibility/space - shelf above bathroom sink
logic - placing it on sink every time I brush my teeth

Is this correct?
Am I supposed to give the candle another function other than decoration?

Also, because at the same time I am naturally moving things around and cleaning up clutter (though without intentional new rules/logic), how can I specifically keep track of the effects of having moved the owl? Right now, it feels as if I simply moved the owl, except for the added new rules which keep my attention to it in a different way.

Thank you for any clarifications.
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[snips]

Expanded Perspective Exercise

[snips]

To expand your perspective, change the values of the elements. When you change the values you are not only changing your relationship with that thing but seeing how expansive your perspective really is.

[snips]

Let me know if something can be clarified.
 Quoting: Chaol


As I am catching up with the thread, I started this exercise last night.
I hope I am doing this right.

I have a small owl-shaped beeswax candle that used to sit on top of the fireplace. I like the little owl, so I never burnt it, and used it as decoration.

I decided to keep the symbol and change the other values, so I moved it to the bathroom shelf.

Before:
symbol - wax owl candle
interaction - all elements in the living room
possibility/space - shelf above fireplace
logic - lifting up to dust off shelf every now and then

Now:
symbol - wax owl candle
interaction - all elements in the bathroom
possibility/space - shelf above bathroom sink
logic - placing it on sink every time I brush my teeth

Is this correct?
Am I supposed to give the candle another function other than decoration?

Also, because at the same time I am naturally moving things around and cleaning up clutter (though without intentional new rules/logic), how can I specifically keep track of the effects of having moved the owl? Right now, it feels as if I simply moved the owl, except for the added new rules which keep my attention to it in a different way.

Thank you for any clarifications.
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Hi.

Did you create the wax owl candle?
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Hi.

Did you create the wax owl candle?
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No. I bought it a couple of years ago at a fair market.
My understanding was that we should use any object/symbol already around us (toothbrush, coin, etc.). A different exercise than creating a Genius symbol. Is this correct?
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On another note, I recall Chaol saying at the beginning of the thread, to create new words for experiences we intend to perceive.

My neighbors got a white kitten, very cute (and the clone of my white cat Leonardo when he was a baby cat). The kitten of course likes to play and explore, and she has been a pest getting in and stealing the food on all occasions. My main activity has been chasing away the cat for a while now, lol. Basically, I am under siege at all times.

When she gets bigger, my poor Leo may get mistakenly chased instead of her...

Today, as I was exercising with the open door, I thought of Chaol's words, and came up with the word "kabuchu" to express the experience of an open door in complete relaxation. Within the concept of "kabuchu", my cats are free to move around and get in and out. it's not a limit to them, only a border where the unwanted stays out.

Kabuchu represents all entrances, including the gate to the garden, a peaceful territory.

Since I implemented it a few hours ago, I've seen the kitten only once (vs. all the time), and I chased her saying the word out loud to her. The door is open as I am typing this!

I'll keep you posted on how it goes, I am assuming there will be some bleed-through as the new experience adjusts itself.
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As part of the more advanced uses of Ecsys and neuronics we will learn to make use of the understanding that every experience is one of unique symbols.

The doorknob you touched yesterday is entirely unique from the one today. (One that has of course interacted with other aspects of our perspective that would be called "past" and, thus, seems like the same from yesterday.)

You use the Genius at every moment.

It is what 'creates' the illusion of physically-oriented existence.
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I can see this already. What overwhelms is the dialogue that must go along with each of these experiences. I almost think I almost prefer not knowing how I use symbols as I do now.

It seems your life would be non-stop chattering of Ec so as to perceive: a body, feeling the chair you are sitting on while at the computer, listening to the heater and tv from the other room, which you are also 'creating' along with sunlight shining through the window and the smell of lunch wafting by. And at the same time remembering what all you want to experience. Whew!!!

Sounds very busy to me. tounge

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I set my electronics free and now they have a mind of their own. They won't post if they don't want to! My Kindle is still cooperating so far.
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I can see there is a definite space thing going on, LOL! Would love to hear more about it but it might be difficult for you right now. I am looking forward to the day when I can interface with electronics organically. Lucky you!

Edit: Btw, did you use a GENIUS to set them free? Also, I think you could use a GENIUS to get them to co-operate with you a little better.
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Some may have success is modeling an electronic component in their mind (i.e., in a more relative perspective) and working with it there.

In this way you could, for example, turn on a device from 20 feet away or (as I tend to do) fix something that is broken.

If someone was talking with herself during this process the exchange could go something like this way:

"My laptop is broken. I will make a Genius model of the laptop in my mind because the laptop exists in my perspective. Although it is not as relative as is my hand it is entirely in my perspective and it can be fixed if I change ("fix") my perspective of it. So now I imagine a black box with pictures and other information on it, which will serve as my symbol of it. I need not know how a laptop works but only how perspective works because it exists entirely in my perspective. I imagine it in the palm of my hand. My fingers interact with the pictures and manipulate the information. But wait.. it's breaking. My fingers have much more difficulty in moving the pictures around. I will put my mental laptop down on the floor and crack my fingers and exercise them. I will also blow into the laptop to clear away any defects within the perception. Now I will pick up the laptop and close it and open it again. I will now power on the other aspect of my mental laptop (the more physical laptop that was broken). It works, so now I can use it."
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So you don't really need remote control, do you? Heh! afro

I imagine the inner dialogue is what we are heading to if we are to learn how you function. To me, your results are very similar to what we do here through meditation.

The main difference I see is that 'your' way is more aware of how things work resulting in a completely different experience compared to living life in the astral body.
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You'll often be surprised about how ingenious the path to your desired perspective may be.


You can also make use of multiple representations simultaneously.

The illusion and the real thing are both representations of the same thing. You just call one illusion real because it's a sibling and the other one not-Real because it's a cousin.

Hope this helps.
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Your first statement brings a thought to me. If we are taking symbols to arrange patterns (in our mind) and then letting the Genius do the work, what is the Genius exactly?

Here's what you say on the website:

"Using the Genius you can create a map from one perception to the next. If you can imagine it then you can show yourself how to get there from where you are. The best part about the Genius maps is that we're working with locations in your mind, not physical locations. The steps above should provide the necessary intent to your "subconscious" to make that shift happen"

What do you call the subconscious?

And I can see that I make use of multiple representations simultaneously because look at all that's going on at any time. What I wonder about is how you get any rest knowing how you do this? It seems you would be always conscious of what you are thinking. It doesn't sound restful to me at this point in my understanding.
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[snips]
Now tell me how perspective is illusion? Because I can manipulate it?
 Quoting: Unit3


Moving a bit beyond the limits of English, allow me to alter Ecsys Prime a bit in an illustration.

"We perceive that which takes the least amount of energy to perceive" becomes,

"We perceive that which takes no energy to perceive" (as no-energy is the least amount)

Meaning, we do not actually perceive of anything because we pretend to perceive Nothing.

We create an illusion of two things and the relationship between the two illusions seem like a real something. We perceive the relationships of illusions that do not exist.

In reality we experience only different kinds of nothingness.

Perspective is an illusion because we are perceiving nothing.

(Someone else could say, for simplicity, that we create simultaneous with the perception.)

The perspective was not there before itself.

Perspective is not independent of anything. It is dependent only on illusion. (Two illusions form a relationship that is the perspective.)
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This is nice. Thanks.

I can believe we perceive that which takes no energy because otherwise, how could I have so much going on at any time?

So something is only real if it is independent? That would comply with the idea I don't exist because I am dependent on illusions. (But I'm still hung up on this....can't believe I don't exist and the things I see, smell, do, etc: are nothing.
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I do feel there is a part of me I"m not aware of, just wondering how I got there.
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The part of you you're not aware of is all ready represented in that which you are aware of.

That is to say, those parts of you that you don't know about are those parts that aren't immediately relative to you but exist entirely in your current perspective in an other way. (If they did not you would not be able to experience anything that you did not know.)

That is to say, the bug in the corner is a perfect representation of the trip you will take in 5 years to South America.

What matters is the geometry of relationships. So the relationship your current perspective has with the bug in the corner is the same as the trip you will take in 5 years. (This is how everything exists now and here, and nothing else need to.)

Every possibility is a perspective. And it is all now and here.
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Verrrrrrry interesting. Makes me go hmmmmmmmmmm. So I see why I bring brochures of the trip I want to take, home. And leave symbols in spaces I want to interact with more. I'm just trying to figure out how I do this already.

Currently, (except for Genius experiments) I don't leave symbols around where I want new or expanded experiences.
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Gespenst, here's the NASA announcement we've been waiting on...magnetic highway at the end of the Solar System....


[link to www.rawstory.com]
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The biggest "intergalactic news" should be released shortly.

I don't know if the world is ready for it but I suppose we'll find out soon enough.
 Quoting: Chaol




Wow! I think we are getting a little input re: 2013!!!!! I wonder if we are talking about alien11
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The popcorn was in front of me because I actually did a 360 to stop and laugh.

My specialty is in the Genius model and ecsys language.
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Did you turn left or right when you did the 360?


How do you connect a Genius to a nexus point?

And how do you ascertain a nexus point? If we create our perspective, don't we also create the nexus point?
 Quoting: Unit3

I turned left.

The nexus point is a built in portion of the genius. All possibility (anything used for space, energy or capacity) is a nexus point. The size of the nexus point can vary. New York City on 9/11 = huge nexus. Your bathroom at 2:36 am yesterday = small nexus point.
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Every relationship is a nexus point.

The more something has a relationship with other things the 'bigger' the nexus point.

I use the Sun because it represents physicality and has a greater interaction with our world than, say, Coca-Cola. (Although that could be used, too, strangely enough.)
 Quoting: Chaol




Sun would sure be easy to use for space in a Genius. (Well, as long as you didn't live in a region where it's dark for 6 mos.!) Unless you know how to use it in regards to your body??????
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Irrelevant.

An 'outer influence' is a less-relative part of perspective, not something independent of it.

Regarding my meeting my girlfriend someone asked if I had known that I was going to. I basically implied that there are some things that I don't want to know about and that I did not know who she would be.

Perspective, nothing more. Nothing outside of it, despite our best efforts to make there be something there.
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I appreciate your patience in answering all my questions. As you can see, I want to leave no stone un-turned. I still don't quite understand how you explain how you allow some things to just happen in your life, since you are conscious of how you explore possibilities.

Are you in some way exploring the possibility of "things just happen"?
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Has anyone ever asked Chaol who created him?
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Okay, okay. Look. There is something that is, like, on the tip of my tongue.

Consciousness is the result of at least two things interacting, right? Consciousness is the geometry formed when two things relate.

You are conscious, right? I am, too, I guess. I mean, here I am! Here you are!

This means that at least two things are interacting, forming a consciousness which we are calling "me".

When Chaol is in our world, he is conscious (or appears to be! lol). That means that something is interacting with something else in order to form a geometry that results in a consciousness that we are calling "Chaol".

So, what is Chaol when he is NOT intersecting this world? What are WE when we are NOT intersecting this world?

Could it be that we are also what Chaol is? Could THAT be the "other you" that is waiting for us?

Chaol has asked very plainly, "If I am you, then what am I?"

Well...
Well...
Aaargh.
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This is my predicament too.

What am I without my perceptions? If Chaol is so aware that he is creating his perceptions, then doesn't he have some kind of awareness as to what his beingness is as well? Or, is he only aware of how he creates them and that's it.

And, why did he say there would be a split where each would go its own way in infinity. If this is true, who decides this? To me, Chaol is stating there is some kind of power beyond him or else he is capable of making that split happen.

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It is easy to miss the universal importance of perspective but that is the answer for all of the above.

There is no decision or being independent of your perspective. Your perspective 'creates' these things (if you're looking for creation).

Asking if there is a higher power is like taking a trip through space. You are certainly welcome to think one direction is up and the other down if that makes it easy for you. But there is no up or down in space. Up and down are the same and, therefore, irrelevant.

The question is, again, "What is outside of my perspective?"

We look for something that does not exist and, more importantly, does not need to.

That is the higher power you seek. But, unfortunately, it cannot be perceived, is beyond perception, is irrelevant, is beyond perspective, is without consideration, etc.

It does not exist and does not need to.

Of this I can really say nothing at all ;)
 Quoting: Chaol



What is outside my perspective is now my favorite thought! hf

So, all these people I think I know who are 'beyond the veil' and united with their 'higher self' is my own perspective!!!!!!!!! 1rof1

So, now I am looking at how I ended up with this in my perspective. I've always looked for Truth.

So, I ended up with a boyfriend (met him through a girlfriend who highly recommended him) who had a book sitting on his table that I picked up and read.

It had 'new' ideas (to me) which opened the door to exploring this new area of 'Truth' and finding more and more authors and people experiencing it. I even experimented and experienced some of the same things myself. However, I did see that whatever beliefs I held at the time, influenced my understanding of what happened.

So...I still searched for Truth.

I eventually ended up in GLP and eventually saw this thread on the front page of the forum, for about the 1,000th time, heh! I finally decided to see what it's about.

Now, I'm here still searching for Truth!!!! lmao

(I do feel I"m much closer now, heh!)

What was it you said the other day Chaol....everything stays the same, everything changes?
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On another note, I recall Chaol saying at the beginning of the thread, to create new words for experiences we intend to perceive.

My neighbors got a white kitten, very cute (and the clone of my white cat Leonardo when he was a baby cat). The kitten of course likes to play and explore, and she has been a pest getting in and stealing the food on all occasions. My main activity has been chasing away the cat for a while now, lol. Basically, I am under siege at all times.

When she gets bigger, my poor Leo may get mistakenly chased instead of her...

Today, as I was exercising with the open door, I thought of Chaol's words, and came up with the word "kabuchu" to express the experience of an open door in complete relaxation. Within the concept of "kabuchu", my cats are free to move around and get in and out. it's not a limit to them, only a border where the unwanted stays out.

Kabuchu represents all entrances, including the gate to the garden, a peaceful territory.

Since I implemented it a few hours ago, I've seen the kitten only once (vs. all the time), and I chased her saying the word out loud to her. The door is open as I am typing this!

I'll keep you posted on how it goes, I am assuming there will be some bleed-through as the new experience adjusts itself.
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Hi! I guess I'm probably the newest poster here and as you can see, I'm still catching on. (I'm also hogging the thread and I apologize but I might as well. I want to learn this and interactive works better for me than reading walls of text! I tell myself it's for the good of everybody too! We are getting lots of information, heh!!!!)

Anyway, thanks for sharing your experience here. It's interesting. I remember the same thing about creating words and the other poster that tried it, had immediate results too.

I've been trying to decide what I want to create a word for because I really desire new experiences.

Anyway, please do keep us updated on this. I hadn't thought of using it for something like you are.

Also, @Jesse......you go, broh!!!! headbang
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Ok I'm back with my kiddy gloves on to discuss Chaol's comings and goings. I think I assumed you were all paying more attention.

Chaol comes and goes on prominent Nexi. By now we all know that nexi represent spaces for possibility. What creates these spaces? Based on what we have learned so far, the relationship (geometry) between two or more representations creates the space for possibility, the same way binaural tones work. So what are the major representations that are always associated with Chaol's comings and goings? Seems they always sun-related, with expressions on planet earth, physically, socially, etc.

Feel free to add any other relationships (patterns) that you feel are pertinent.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1487466


Think sun-moon magnetic relationships. These two representations are of major relevance to this perspective.
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Nexus = Solar Flare + Chaol leaving/returning

The Nexi exist because of his interaction with solar activity
 Quoting: CatCarel


Sol represents this particular brand of physicality. Everything physical (as we know it) has its 'origin' there.

Every 'level' of physicality has a sun, you could say. From the particles on up to the universe.

The potential energy of the sun is made relative through interaction (solar activity).

However, this activity is as much in your body as in what appears to be the center of your solar system.

In one way it's the same thing.

In an other, perhaps more practical, way it's a connection. (In this way you can reach other possibilities of physically-oriented experience.) It's one reason you could stand next to it and not burn (although your clothes and equipment may, as they have a less-relative 'sun' at their center).

The universe is, indeed, your body in all respects.
 Quoting: Chaol


Funny. I don't remember posting that, but I know I've thought about it.

Chaol, can you explain the meaning behind 'chemtrails' used to 'cover' the sun? What is the purpose of limiting interaction with its perceived energy?

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We could use telegraph, email or smoke signal. What's your preference?
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Any other form that don't give bans for having different opinions sounds good!
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We could use a PalTalk chat room and lock it. Or start a Facebook page for Ecsys and keep it private.

Edit: The only thing though, is Chaol created this space here. I kinda don't want to leave it.
 Quoting: Unit3


It's fine if you branch out. It's natural.
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Think of interaction with a new space as a form of the Genius.
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Hi! I guess I'm probably the newest poster here and as you can see, I'm still catching on. (I'm also hogging the thread and I apologize but I might as well. I want to learn this and interactive works better for me than reading walls of text! I tell myself it's for the good of everybody too! We are getting lots of information, heh!!!!)

Anyway, thanks for sharing your experience here. It's interesting. I remember the same thing about creating words and the other poster that tried it, had immediate results too.

I've been trying to decide what I want to create a word for because I really desire new experiences.

Anyway, please do keep us updated on this. I hadn't thought of using it for something like you are.

Also, @Jesse......you go, broh!!!! headbang
 Quoting: Unit3


Hi Unit3!

Hog the thread away, from what I could glimpse, your questions and comments are great, and a wonderful opportunity to read more of Chaol's responses!

I'm still catching up from where I left, and in order to grasp everything, I have to follow the thread linearly, for now only quickly going through the latest posts.

So far, the kitten seems uninterested in getting in... I saw her a second time this afternoon, but only in the garden, in spite of the open door... errr kabuchu. As of now, coming back from horseback riding class, she hasn't even trespassed the garden, just looked at me from a distance!

I am curious about tomorrow.

Now I want to create more words for other experiences, I'll keep you updated. :)

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