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Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

 
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Hi Chaol and welcome back!

Chaol said:
(Non-existence is so.. boring and is the most-resisted idea there is because it implies no relationship with anything.)

We are looking for a way to relate to something. It does not matter how

If we are incapable of not forming relations with anything because we are perspective, how are we capable to fear it (resist it)? How do we know it is boring, since nothing has ever been (because it can't, by default) in that state?

Is it boredom that prevents us from being there or impossibility?

Why do we need this most resisted idea to perform that which we are incapable of not performing it, anyway?

Also, in a different note, would you say that I live in a "with my Genius" state, when I think and act on the first thing that comes to my mind at all times (not necessarily coinciding with "reflex")?

Edit: I wrote the above before I read your answers to my previous posts.
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To understand how you create perception look back at the airplane picture on the ecsys website. Now let's substitute today's events to make things more clear. When you have all of the props (the school, ambulances, police, SWAT team, a story about a shooter) and actors (grieving parents, grieving teachers, news media, other students) you don't actually need any harmed children. That part of the story is like the airplane. You will never see any real evidence that any children were actually harmed, because they were not harmed, it's not necessary because the other relationships tell you it must be real.
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You're real, I'm real, Chaol is real...I bet every poster on this thread would say they are real.
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If you read it is it being written?

Or are you just reading it.
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Hi.

Death, to the few who really subscribe to X in my world, is more of a myth. It seems real when you see or know of others 'tune out' but we also know that the experience of it is different from what it appears to be.

We're sad to see people go, of course. And in a way it's the end of that person's life (or relevance in the world) so they are missed.
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Do you have any immortals there?

We reportedly have some here and I know of a couple of the ways reported of how they attained it.

Also, there is a lot of talk here that immortality is just about possible now, with all the innovations in medicine.

Almost every body part can be replaced in some way and with the additional use of robotics, it's looking like we could establish it as the norm.
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Btw, does anyone know what Chaol meant by 'GLP is not on the internet'?

Will add a link to the post; forget which thread it was.
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Anyone remember Chaol saying we'd probably not be using the internet by last december?
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Yes. And in late October of that year, SOPA was introduced.

This website was one of many on 'the list' to be taken offline.

Some changes have been made since then and now your internet is safe and sound.
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Has he actually said he doesn't like his world as much as ours?
 Quoting: Marshwiggle


Yes, he said this just before he left. A new poster asked him quite a few questions about his world. It's not too far back in this very thread.
 Quoting: Unit3


Thanks, I'll look for it
 Quoting: Marshwiggle


I found it and also rememberd another question I have. If Choal creates his perspective, why does he need a nexus point to travel back and forth between worlds? There is something I'm no understanding (or Chaol isn't) about our perception creating powers.

Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking. (Page 218)
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The nexus point is a value in my perspective ;)
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How is there perspective without consciousness?
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Can you define consciousness?
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Btw, does anyone know what Chaol meant by 'GLP is not on the internet'?

Will add a link to the post; forget which thread it was.
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Anyone remember Chaol saying we'd probably not be using the internet by last december?
 Quoting: Marshwiggle


Yes. And in late October of that year, SOPA was introduced.

This website was one of many on 'the list' to be taken offline.

Some changes have been made since then and now your internet is safe and sound.
 Quoting: Chaol




Thank you. ;o)
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How is there perspective without consciousness?
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Can you define consciousness?
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I can now. It's the result of relationships between symbols.
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How is there perspective without consciousness?
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* We are not human (we are perspectives)

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Does your girlfriend know what you are?
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Human? Yes :)

 Quoting: Chaol


In truth, Chaol sometimes contradicts himself :)
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Are you using the above as an example of a supposed contradiction?

"Does your girlfriend know what you are?" is pretty ambiguous.

I don't mind clarifying a contradition, as long as the question is clear.
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Yes, he said this just before he left. A new poster asked him quite a few questions about his world. It's not too far back in this very thread.
 Quoting: Unit3


Thanks, I'll look for it
 Quoting: Marshwiggle


I found it and also rememberd another question I have. If Choal creates his perspective, why does he need a nexus point to travel back and forth between worlds? There is something I'm no understanding (or Chaol isn't) about our perception creating powers.

Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking. (Page 218)
 Quoting: Unit3


The nexus point is a value in my perspective ;)
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Okay, so when you use the Sun as a nexus point, you use it on certain dates....seemingly, Nov 17. If this is so, what value have you assigned to that date?
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His dates have been off before. He will be back soon now and answer these questions, heh!!!!
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Intentionally misleading.

As I mentioned, I will at times manipulate for my own purposes of bringing your world closer to my own.

An example of this would be if I told you that Auntie Sally was coming on June 3rd.

I know that Auntie Sally won't arrive until mid-September but you would not understand how the preparations you usually make for Auntie Sally are needed on June 3rd even if she is not coming.

If you knew that she was not coming then you would not prepare the biscuits.

If I told you who was coming instead of Auntie Sally you would ask questions well beyond June 3rd, and we'd never get anywhere.

It is not that I want to hide something but sometimes things are exceedingly difficult to make sense of.

So Auntie Sally is arriving June 3rd. Do you need help with the chaos biscuits?
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@Marshwiggle. In the example you gave of Chaol contradicting himself, he can't really say he is an alien because our worlds are merging.

He must also be very human looking if he can hang out in our world on the streets and not have black ops. show up, LOL!

So, I would say the term human is appropriate with the understanding that we are quickly moving away from physicality.
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I don't think he's ever described himself as an alien lol!

What I meant was he says 'we are not human' then he says his girlfriend knows him to be human.
Confusing!
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I'm as human as you are :)

It is convenient to think of ourselves as human even though we're mostly composed of alien biology.

We're mostly non-human while calling ourselves human.

Confusing, indeed.
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I thought I'd better start over reading Chaol's posts and look what I just found:

Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

Everything truly exists. Like I mention above, When something cannot be fully perceived, it appears infinite.

Our language also enables us to perceive these alternate realities, if we want. One alterate realm is this one.

You exist in multiple realms now, at every moment. You could traverse hundreds of thousands of different possibilities in one day without knowing it.

So most of those bold statements are my understanding (before I met Chaol) of myself as spirit.

Edit: Found a contradiction:

Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking. (Page 2)

"The answers" in the universe apply to everyone, not just an infinitesimally small percentage of the population.

We look to scientists for these answers because they're doing things that we don't understand. It is no different than how (in the past) we look to the religious elite for the answers.

But the answers are not found in science or religion or any one particular aspect of the schools and politics that we have created.

The answers are universal and have more to do with consciousness and perception.

I think Chaol believes in universal law.


And this poster asked Chaol how could there not be consciousness....Chaol asked him what consciousness is to him. Here are both their answers:

Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking. (Page 2)

Consciousness to me..hmm that would be my own perception of myself, my awareness of my own being.
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Excellent!

Then the question for you then is, What do you consider your "self"?

If it is your body, then what do you do with a part of your self when you clip your nails or cut your hair? If it is only the 'living' part of your body that you consider your self, where does your self go when you lose a pound?

What is your self when you are dreaming?

"Self" by itself is a bit difficult to pin. Perhaps because the usual basic assumptions about what self is could be expanded.

If it is "awareness of my own being" as you mentioned, then what does it mean to be aware of another being?

Thanks.
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 Quoting: Unit3


The website is meant as an introduction to this particular forum.

The language I use is specific for the intent. For the website, it is to use language and terms that people are more likely to understand.

As we move along in our understanding I will change the language and terms so that new (or as I say, more accurate) understandings come into play.

From the website there is one law (although I would not really call it a law), Ecsys Prime.
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His dates have been off before. He will be back soon now and answer these questions, heh!!!!
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Intentionally misleading.

As I mentioned, I will at times manipulate for my own purposes of bringing your world closer to my own.

An example of this would be if I told you that Auntie Sally was coming on June 3rd.

I know that Auntie Sally won't arrive until mid-September but you would not understand how the preparations you usually make for Auntie Sally are needed on June 3rd even if she is not coming.

If you knew that she was not coming then you would not prepare the biscuits.

If I told you who was coming instead of Auntie Sally you would ask questions well beyond June 3rd, and we'd never get anywhere.

It is not that I want to hide something but sometimes things are exceedingly difficult to make sense of.

So Auntie Sally is arriving June 3rd. Do you need help with the chaos biscuits?
 Quoting: Chaol




I'm not meaning to indicate you hide anything. What I am trying to say is dates don't matter.
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I thought I'd better start over reading Chaol's posts and look what I just found:

Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

Everything truly exists. Like I mention above, When something cannot be fully perceived, it appears infinite.

Our language also enables us to perceive these alternate realities, if we want. One alterate realm is this one.

You exist in multiple realms now, at every moment. You could traverse hundreds of thousands of different possibilities in one day without knowing it.

So most of those bold statements are my understanding (before I met Chaol) of myself as spirit.

Edit: Found a contradiction:

Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking. (Page 2)

"The answers" in the universe apply to everyone, not just an infinitesimally small percentage of the population.

We look to scientists for these answers because they're doing things that we don't understand. It is no different than how (in the past) we look to the religious elite for the answers.

But the answers are not found in science or religion or any one particular aspect of the schools and politics that we have created.

The answers are universal and have more to do with consciousness and perception.

I think Chaol believes in universal law.


And this poster asked Chaol how could there not be consciousness....Chaol asked him what consciousness is to him. Here are both their answers:

Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking. (Page 2)

Consciousness to me..hmm that would be my own perception of myself, my awareness of my own being.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 757374


Excellent!

Then the question for you then is, What do you consider your "self"?

If it is your body, then what do you do with a part of your self when you clip your nails or cut your hair? If it is only the 'living' part of your body that you consider your self, where does your self go when you lose a pound?

What is your self when you are dreaming?

"Self" by itself is a bit difficult to pin. Perhaps because the usual basic assumptions about what self is could be expanded.

If it is "awareness of my own being" as you mentioned, then what does it mean to be aware of another being?

Thanks.
 Quoting: chaol 183770

 Quoting: Unit3


The website is meant as an introduction to this particular forum.

The language I use is specific for the intent. For the website, it is to use language and terms that people are more likely to understand.

As we move along in our understanding I will change the language and terms so that new (or as I say, more accurate) understandings come into play.

From the website there is one law (although I would not really call it a law), Ecsys Prime.
 Quoting: Chaol



You know, I keep forgetting you have to keep changing the language. Thanks for reminding me once again.

I wish I didn't need the website but I do for now. I still get a lot out of it.
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To understand how you create perception look back at the airplane picture on the ecsys website. Now let's substitute today's events to make things more clear. When you have all of the props (the school, ambulances, police, SWAT team, a story about a shooter) and actors (grieving parents, grieving teachers, news media, other students) you don't actually need any harmed children. That part of the story is like the airplane. You will never see any real evidence that any children were actually harmed, because they were not harmed, it's not necessary because the other relationships tell you it must be real.
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You're real, I'm real, Chaol is real...I bet every poster on this thread would say they are real.
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If you read it is it being written?

Or are you just reading it.
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It's being written while I read it.


Btw, whenever you have a chance, we are waiting for you in the dream thread.

Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe": Meeting in the new Dream reality

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[snips]

Do you feel Chaol has complete control of all of his perspectives?
[snips]
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I'm barely scratching the surface, so to speak.

As I've explained it earlier it would be as if you took a trip to an other planet and explained your world's monetary system.

Some people may be generally fascinated with such a system (should they have only vague concepts of exchanged value in their world) but for me it's just normal. I'm not "an economist" but rather someone quite normal in my world who happens to use "money".

Others may despise the idea (rightfully so).

Instead of calling them dollars maybe you will call them units to suit local tastes. You adopt your explanation to make it a bit easier to understand.

I can explain some things about it and know a little bit about "derivatives" and other instruments but I'm by no means an expert.

Right now we've just gotten off of counting (1, 2, 3...) and the nature of buying and selling (the Genius) and are moving to more advanced topics such as interest (some of what we're getting into on the past couple of pages).

Although I must say we have enough material for the next 50 years. There is so much left to explain :)
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As usual, I'll need a few days to re-adjust myself.

Glad to be back!
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Chaos for Christmas! Merry Necsys! :)
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hehe.. yes, Merry Nexus ;)
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[snips]

Do you feel Chaol has complete control of all of his perspectives?
[snips]
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I'm barely scratching the surface, so to speak.

As I've explained it earlier it would be as if you took a trip to an other planet and explained your world's monetary system.

Some people may be generally fascinated with such a system (should they have only vague concepts of exchanged value in their world) but for me it's just normal. I'm not "an economist" but rather someone quite normal in my world who happens to use "money".

Others may despise the idea (rightfully so).

Instead of calling them dollars maybe you will call them units to suit local tastes. You adopt your explanation to make it a bit easier to understand.

I can explain some things about it and know a little bit about "derivatives" and other instruments but I'm by no means an expert.

Right now we've just gotten off of counting (1, 2, 3...) and the nature of buying and selling (the Genius) and are moving to more advanced topics such as interest (some of what we're getting into on the past couple of pages).

Although I must say we have enough material for the next 50 years. There is so much left to explain :)
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I can see there is still so much to explain.

I can hardly believe you've just scratched the surface in understanding how you create perceptions. I would be quite happy to have your understanding. But then, I suppose it would be boring to know everything, eh? ;o)
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Is it sennight sickness, Chaol?

Are we any closer to your world yet?

Glad you're here. We miss you when you're gone.
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Good memory :)

I get a bit sick going either way. It's all part of the process, though.

Yes, you're much closer. 2013 is quite exciting.

I missed all of you, too! Thank you.
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Hello!

Seeing as interest has waned in this particular forum, I want to thank everyone for engaging before I leave again (a bit longer this time).

I will probably return somewhere between August 26-September 4, 2010, as that is the next biggest nexus of probability here.

The current nexus is changing somewhat, so it will be much easier to return to whence I came now than, say, next week.

If anyone is interested in HD photos, video, and other multimedia from the world I live in, please express your interest and it will be provided.

This is only the beginning.

Good night, everyone :)

n15102009010120100802201005032010
o98696043785340225008024068600434
 Quoting: chaol 183770


Okay, I couldn't resist. I know I said I posted the last one for the night, but I can't help myself.

Chaol blew my mind with this post.........and what followed after is hilarious. They tried to figure out the code. I'm too tired to stay up to see if Chaol ever explained it. I'll be back on it tomorrow, LOL!!!
 Quoting: Unit3


There is enough 'unique' material here that I no longer have a problem finding the exact spot from which I left.

But, yes, that was interesting.

(The code has no meaning. It's just a marker.)
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If you want me to keep answering questions until Chaol acclimatizes let me know.
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Ok I have a question for all of you then. Why are humans so pathetic? Why are they always willing to trade freedom for a false sense of safety? Emotion trumps logic every time.
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There's not much difference between emotions and logic.

Emotions, like chaos, are a logic that we do not yet consciously understand.

The key is interaction rather than freedom or safety.

We must all ways find new ways to interact. And sometimes the new ways seem to suck.
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Hello!

Seeing as interest has waned in this particular forum, I want to thank everyone for engaging before I leave again (a bit longer this time).

I will probably return somewhere between August 26-September 4, 2010, as that is the next biggest nexus of probability here.

The current nexus is changing somewhat, so it will be much easier to return to whence I came now than, say, next week.

If anyone is interested in HD photos, video, and other multimedia from the world I live in, please express your interest and it will be provided.

This is only the beginning.

Good night, everyone :)

n15102009010120100802201005032010
o98696043785340225008024068600434
 Quoting: chaol 183770


Okay, I couldn't resist. I know I said I posted the last one for the night, but I can't help myself.

Chaol blew my mind with this post.........and what followed after is hilarious. They tried to figure out the code. I'm too tired to stay up to see if Chaol ever explained it. I'll be back on it tomorrow, LOL!!!
 Quoting: Unit3


There is enough 'unique' material here that I no longer have a problem finding the exact spot from which I left.

But, yes, that was interesting.

(The code has no meaning. It's just a marker.)
 Quoting: Chaol




Wow! Verrrrrrrrry interesting. Thanks for explaining it, Chaol. Those posters went nuts, LOL!

I notice they aren't posting now. I sure wonder if they entered the dream world. I guess they probably lost interest when you didn't come back within the time frame they wanted.

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His dates have been off before. He will be back soon now and answer these questions, heh!!!!
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Intentionally misleading.

As I mentioned, I will at times manipulate for my own purposes of bringing your world closer to my own.

An example of this would be if I told you that Auntie Sally was coming on June 3rd.

I know that Auntie Sally won't arrive until mid-September but you would not understand how the preparations you usually make for Auntie Sally are needed on June 3rd even if she is not coming.

If you knew that she was not coming then you would not prepare the biscuits.

If I told you who was coming instead of Auntie Sally you would ask questions well beyond June 3rd, and we'd never get anywhere.

It is not that I want to hide something but sometimes things are exceedingly difficult to make sense of.

So Auntie Sally is arriving June 3rd. Do you need help with the chaos biscuits?
 Quoting: Chaol


S -L, -I +L

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If you want me to keep answering questions until Chaol acclimatizes let me know.
 Quoting: Not-Chaol 1496296


Ok I have a question for all of you then. Why are humans so pathetic? Why are they always willing to trade freedom for a false sense of safety? Emotion trumps logic every time.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1496296


There's not much difference between emotions and logic.

Emotions, like chaos, are a logic that we do not yet consciously understand.

The key is interaction rather than freedom or safety.

We must all ways find new ways to interact. And sometimes the new ways seem to suck.
 Quoting: Chaol




Interesting you should say this right now. I was just reading an article by a guy who says we have to think fearlessly to expand our mind. I've just clicked on his link to watch some of his videos, but here's a short article where you can read about what he says:

Edit: Plus the link to his videos is in this article:

[link to bigthink.com]

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Just checking in to say hi to everyone!

I've been offline for a long while. It's been very dreamlike lately... having to perceive the illness, agony and final departure of a friend's father, offering help to ease the situation, and at the same time learning to ride horses in a nearby ranch.

I've missed being on this thread and you Chaol, though I've often seen the white dot in the corner of my eye (that you mentioned a while back, as I recall...).

My first Genius symbol keeps working, even if it fell apart and sits quietly in my bag now.

Lots of pages to catch up on, I guess... It feels great to be back, and the dream goes on :)
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Take care, then :)
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Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.
In my dream last night I knew exactly how to assign value to things to make it useful to my experience. When I woke up I could not remember how I did it.
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Try writing it down next time (in the dream) ;)
 Quoting: Chaol




Do you have any suggestions as to how to be more aware in dreams? We call it lucid dreaming and there are all kinds of software and devices to help us achieve it.


Edit: Ha! Just posted this question and look what I found:

With the 8-Coil Shakti, you can activate your brain, one part at a time. If you like the altered state a particular session brings up, you can repeat it (with specific schedules) often enough that your brain 'learns' to access the effects on it's own. If you don't like the effects of a particular session, don't repeat it.

[link to altered-states.net]

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With "the Genius" what techniques should one use to properly assign the meaning to the symbol? By what steps do we come to focus the logic and possibility space effectively enough to come to experience that which the symbol represents. It seems to me that my genius models have been entirely effective yet my ability to determine exactly what it is I'd like to experience via the genius is somehow off.

I used a genius symbol a while back to "expand my awareness". While considering the symbol I had considered "expand my awareness" to mean something far different from what I intended. My experience with the "expansion of awareness" seems to be of limited scope.

What is the right way to wish to the genie?

Is it by not wishing and instead intending with focus?

Is "the genius" a tool customized to focus our intent on a specific experience? If so, how is it that we come to obtain proper focus? Is that the purpose of ecsys? The words and symbols we've been using have infected us and although they work within the framework of the environment that supposedly generated them, they also limit us to it. By convincing ourselves that all that we perceive is represented by a rule set with the opportunity to explore the rules, we provide us an alternate way to define our frame of reference and in turn we experience an alternate frame of reference.

[snips]
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


The Genius is a tool of perspective, not so much a specific experience.

If your intention is to "expand my awareness" then discover what it means to you. What might it be like in your perspective if your awareness is expanded?
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Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

@ Jesse [MM] and Marshwiggle
hf

I understand where you're coming from. What I am looking to grasp is how is it that I come to properly define my initial intent for the symbol. Most of the time, it seems what we want and what we intend are out of synch. It's been (for me) that when considering my symbol for a genius, I find myself not really being clearly aware of what I want. As I see it, what I intend on experiencing is so vague because I am not really provided a frame of reference for what I intend. I've come to the conclusion that representing what I'd imagined was a desired experience comes tainted by my lack of focus.

I suppose (you're right) it's the whole "what's next is what takes the least amount of energy to come next" thing. The symbol (and associated experience) would likely evolve further as my "true" intent becomes more logical.
 Quoting: Ambra 30351928




Jesse, I don't know if this helps, but I notice you said the following:

"I am not really provided a frame of reference for what I intend."

You used the word provided. Are you expecting the frame of reference to come from somewhere besides yourself? I am having a hard time seeing how you don't feel you know your true intent. To me, I set my true intent. I am not having any trouble with that part. The only part I have trouble with is understanding how I already do this naturally.
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


Yes, I do genuinely have the "feeling" that I am "provided" an experience from somewhere beyond my ability to perceive. I know (intelectually) that it is, as you point out, already within my perspective.

My intent is ambiguous, because I don't (yet) understand the framework to clearly define it. I can use the genius easily (so far) for things that are already relative (also easy to define). Now, the ones that I had perceived as less relative have been more varied and vague (like kinda happening but not quite).

Chaol reminded me to focus on the overall structure of relationships surrounding the desired experience. I suppose I'd forgotten to look at it that way.

rockon
 Quoting: Unit3


For the reallly enterprising mind, imagine this...

Your Genius enters a room full of random letters, words, and phrases and makes sense of them in the order that they're in.

Your waking mind will not make sense of them and just consider them random.

In some world, some possibility, some value of perspective, they make complete and perfect sense.

You can imagine yourself in and of a perspective that is very foreign to your current one. Nevermind how you will get there. Your Genius will figure it out because it can make sense of anything.

It creates the logic. (That is to say, it can illustrate anything logically.)

i.e., it can bring you through a narrative that will make sense to you, one relative step to an other (which is the nature of logic).

So if something that you desire does not make sense to you (meaning, you don't know how to define it) know that it is all ready defined and all ready makes sense to your Genius.

That's the nature of the Genius.

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Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.
Greetings.
 Quoting: Chaol


Greetings.

But it would be much easier to create the library anew. This wouldn't be the same thing, of course.
 Quoting: Chaol

Would it be worth creating a new library in ones mind, or visiting the library off to the right inside the Sphinx Hall?
 Quoting: LeKing

Is there a difference?

The library is a representation of what you'd call an internal process. There are no actual books. But it seems like there are.

You're reading yourself, so to speak.

What greater knowledge or history is there but that within your own self? Therein is everything.
Also how would you acquire "knowledge" into your new library? I struggle to explain what I'm trying to get across here with words, but hopefully you understand, if not I can expand.

I struggle to connect to the Sphinx Library, if creating a new would be easier, that would greatly benefit my self and others I'm sure.
Whenever someone asks a question I quickly refer to some books in my library and type as fast as I can.

I did't write it. Someone else did.
 Quoting: Chaol


Is your library the same one you instructed to visit below, or do you use a personal library?
[snips]
 Quoting: LeKing

There I was paraphrasing a president.

And kidding about going to a library and typing as fast as I can :)


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