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Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

 
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Perspective is afar from questions and answers
 Quoting: Chaol


No disagreement, but if I can explain how i connected them.

Externalizing the desire or want provides us with new perspective.
 Quoting: Chaol


"Externalizing the desire" to me means that i am at point A that i know of and i "want" to go to point B.

So before you say "point B", haven't you asked questions like "where i want to go, why i want to go there and how i will go there?" If you haven't answered, there is no "point B" that creates the perspective. Isn't it?

So, the whatever perspective we each currently experience comes from the whichever answers we have given to our whichever questions we asked in the first place.

Besides when you say:
"dont ask how to win the lottery, ask how you can have an abundance of money instead, for example", is it not an attempt to shifting/creating a perspective through a question? How else could you have done this to yourself or to others, other than through questions and answers?
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Oh, you tease.

It seems that without some mystery to ponder we may be like a ship too close to a dark foggy shore lacking a lighthouse. If I squint hard enough maybe Ill see it before the crash.
hf
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


It's your ancient secret ("deep, dark", as it would be said).

It's one of those things that we don't want to think about. As it implies that we would not exist. Indeed, it is the thing we don't want to consider. Only in an abstract way, perhaps.

It's something I've covered at length so the basics are no secret for me. Only the practical applications.

If you cannot perceive of something directly then what are you actually perceiving?
 Quoting: Chaol


You'd be perceiving an inferential experience?

I think that that inference is made by our intent and is subject to the logic in the system by which we perceive. We are basically choosing what we experience at all times. It's just that on the most basic level we (as we currently can perceive our sense of self) do not exist. Am I off?
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


No intent is needed.

If we experience what is most relative (or seem to) then what choice is there?

You'd be choosing something that not only all ready exists but does not really exist.

This is a longer discussion, as it gets into questions like "what about decisions?" and such.

If you're up for it, let me know.
 Quoting: Chaol


Thank you. I am up for it.

I had perceived decisions to be the execution of "choice". I had also assumed that choices are based on the information we have "acquired" on the current experience within the decision space that the logic allows.

In that way I assumed that the ability to "choose" anything defined "free will" and I also assumed all this was fundamental to our "ability" to perceive (at the level we do "perceive").
Nothing is irrelevant.
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Okay, so when you use the Sun as a nexus point, you use it on certain dates....seemingly, Nov 17. If this is so, what value have you assigned to that date?
 Quoting: Unit3


The date is not important to the nexus itself.

It would be like if there was a giant snowball at the top of the hill. You then saw it starting to roll down the hill. You could then assign a date (or color, name, chicken recipe) to a point along its path.

It will pick up more snow as it rolls but that is predictable because of its nature. You can tell from its size approximately what 'size' it will be when it reaches the bottom or any other point along the path.

The snowball, rolling, and hill are all values in perspective.

I make up the date for the snowball reaching the bottom and everything else falls into place so that when the snowball reaches the bottom it is that date.
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I thought I'd better start over reading Chaol's posts and look what I just found:

Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

Everything truly exists. Like I mention above, When something cannot be fully perceived, it appears infinite.

Our language also enables us to perceive these alternate realities, if we want. One alterate realm is this one.

You exist in multiple realms now, at every moment. You could traverse hundreds of thousands of different possibilities in one day without knowing it.

So most of those bold statements are my understanding (before I met Chaol) of myself as spirit.

Edit: Found a contradiction:

Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking. (Page 2)

"The answers" in the universe apply to everyone, not just an infinitesimally small percentage of the population.

We look to scientists for these answers because they're doing things that we don't understand. It is no different than how (in the past) we look to the religious elite for the answers.

But the answers are not found in science or religion or any one particular aspect of the schools and politics that we have created.

The answers are universal and have more to do with consciousness and perception.

I think Chaol believes in universal law.


And this poster asked Chaol how could there not be consciousness....Chaol asked him what consciousness is to him. Here are both their answers:

Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking. (Page 2)

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Excellent!

Then the question for you then is, What do you consider your "self"?

If it is your body, then what do you do with a part of your self when you clip your nails or cut your hair? If it is only the 'living' part of your body that you consider your self, where does your self go when you lose a pound?

What is your self when you are dreaming?

"Self" by itself is a bit difficult to pin. Perhaps because the usual basic assumptions about what self is could be expanded.

If it is "awareness of my own being" as you mentioned, then what does it mean to be aware of another being?

Thanks.
 Quoting: chaol 183770

 Quoting: Unit3


The website is meant as an introduction to this particular forum.

The language I use is specific for the intent. For the website, it is to use language and terms that people are more likely to understand.

As we move along in our understanding I will change the language and terms so that new (or as I say, more accurate) understandings come into play.

From the website there is one law (although I would not really call it a law), Ecsys Prime.
 Quoting: Chaol



You know, I keep forgetting you have to keep changing the language. Thanks for reminding me once again.

I wish I didn't need the website but I do for now. I still get a lot out of it.
 Quoting: Unit3


I'm mostly okay with the language but sometimes I am confused by plurals and singulars and other morphemes.

To take a recent example, "disbelief" to me doesn't make sense even though I know how to use it. For me it's just "belief".

If anything confuses you please let me know and I will try to clarify :)
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[snips]

Do you feel Chaol has complete control of all of his perspectives?
[snips]
 Quoting: Unit3


I'm barely scratching the surface, so to speak.

As I've explained it earlier it would be as if you took a trip to an other planet and explained your world's monetary system.

Some people may be generally fascinated with such a system (should they have only vague concepts of exchanged value in their world) but for me it's just normal. I'm not "an economist" but rather someone quite normal in my world who happens to use "money".

Others may despise the idea (rightfully so).

Instead of calling them dollars maybe you will call them units to suit local tastes. You adopt your explanation to make it a bit easier to understand.

I can explain some things about it and know a little bit about "derivatives" and other instruments but I'm by no means an expert.

Right now we've just gotten off of counting (1, 2, 3...) and the nature of buying and selling (the Genius) and are moving to more advanced topics such as interest (some of what we're getting into on the past couple of pages).

Although I must say we have enough material for the next 50 years. There is so much left to explain :)
 Quoting: Chaol

I can see there is still so much to explain.

I can hardly believe you've just scratched the surface in understanding how you create perceptions. I would be quite happy to have your understanding. But then, I suppose it would be boring to know everything, eh? ;o)
 Quoting: Unit3


There's no end to knowledge and understanding, so there's no limit to my ignorance :)

The exploration of reality is as old as civilization but, yes, we've only scratched the surface.

Part of the issue is unlearning much of what we have all ready integrated into our understanding.

For me it's better to forget a lot of this and re-discover it. It's actually what I go through every time I leave here.

If you asked me any simple question on the first day of my return I would not have the slightest idea ;)

Such processes increase interaction and it's what we all go through without realizing it. Then we make sense of the new and it seems as though there was never a total destruction at all.
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Do you have any suggestions as to how to be more aware in dreams? We call it lucid dreaming and there are all kinds of software and devices to help us achieve it.

[snips]
 Quoting: Unit3


Possibly. But first may I ask why you would want to do that?
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Now that we've briefly discussed use of the Genius how about we talk about ways that we use it in our everyday lives, without realizing it?

Take what you know about how to make a Genius model and apply it to the world that is all ready around you.

This is a tricky one but it is the step that leads up to more advanced uses of Ecsys.

I'll start with a hint:

Everything of your perception is a symbol
 Quoting: Chaol


Entering the dreamworld
Symbol - Queen size bed
Space - Bedroom
Interaction - Trying to gain an inch of mattress and pillow, while cats are faster than me as they jump over
Logic - Turning to left side of body, closing eyes and following colored shapes, until waking consciousness fades away
 Quoting: Ambra 30479979


Yes. And your interacts have an effect on your dreamworld.

Anything you interact with has an effect on what you'd call your past/present/future perspective.

What does your bed represent?
 Quoting: Chaol


Interesting that such a question had me pondering a bit.

The very first answer to that was "rest". But then I realized it's not it. I feel more rested when I lay on the couch, either with the laptop, or watching some TV.

I usually delay going to bed, until the very last minute. So I'd rather say "exhaustion", or deep sleep and dreams.

Thinking further, due to lack of companionship, my current bed/symbol has seen zero sexual activity for a perceived long time, so it's pretty much a cold representation. :( But that's about to change with the use of the Genius! :)

Short of buying an eerie fake boyfriend doll (lol!), I'll start by placing a representation of companionship on it.

I thought of dusting off my old teddy bear, which has been sitting in a dark closet for years. Poor thing. It was my trusted companion and I shared all my thoughts with it, as a child.
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Hello Chaol, thanks again for all your explanations. You are very kind and patient with us. Also thanks to all who contribute to the discussions because without your interactions, there will be nothing for Chaol to respond to.

I have had a lot of success like I said with the genius and would like to get even braver with my future models. My understanding now is that my perspective comprises of symbols that I interact with and this is existence. Even the aspects of it that are not pleasurable are also interactions to get I can go through to get to my "wanted" destination so to speak. I would like to explore how the geometry of relationships can be explored further (lol sorry for the repetition) to gain more understanding of myself and my perspective. Does this mean welcoming and accepting even things I consider "hazardous" or "not so good" as well as "amazing" and "wonderful" things? I feel like although I have changed a lot in the past month of my immediate surroundings, I should be changing more of how I do and view things.

I already see everyone here (Chaol, AC's and named accounts) as values in my perspective and I'm amazed at how "rich" my perspective really is.

Thanks Unit and others for keeping the topic flowing with your questions. It's very helpful and appreciated.

I absolutely cannot wait for 2013 and all the new relationships it brings!
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Hi. I'm glad to hear your models are working for you. Or, shall I say, you've found a way to communicate more directly with your subconscious.

May I ask, in what way would you like to become more brave with your models? The options are limitless.
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Hi.

Did you create the wax owl candle?
 Quoting: Chaol


No. I bought it a couple of years ago at a fair market.
My understanding was that we should use any object/symbol already around us (toothbrush, coin, etc.). A different exercise than creating a Genius symbol. Is this correct?
 Quoting: Ambra 30632718


It would be far more effective if it was something unique that you created, with little-to-no inherent meaning.
 Quoting: Chaol


I am very confused about the Awareness Expansion Exercise now.

Wasn't that supposed to be done with what surrounds us, keep one value and change the other three?

Some posters mentioned using a comb as a scratcher, or placing a screwdriver in the toothbrush cup. You mentioned the coin example.

Something unique with no inherent meaning is for the Genius, right?
I thought the exercise was a different thing.
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A quick report on the "kabuchu" experience and the kitten.

She showed up today, and for the first time ever she peed on my floor. Lol!
Chased her away mentioning the word, and reinforcing the concept within myself.

The kitten showed up again a couple more times, more than yesterday, but definitely less than usual.

I realize I have to be clear about kabuchu myself, before I perceive differently. Maybe I should write the word down, as sometimes today I couldn't remember it and misspelled it in my mind, thinking "Kombucha", the Japanese mushroom tea!

Or I'll find a more unique word that leads to no confusion.
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Funny. I don't remember posting that, but I know I've thought about it.

Chaol, can you explain the meaning behind 'chemtrails' used to 'cover' the sun? What is the purpose of limiting interaction with its perceived energy?
 Quoting: CatCarel


This is more a Western-world thing. There are plenty of places left with blue skies, though it's interesting how many of us don't notice the change.

It's an illustration of the resistance to physical change, with depopulation of weaker (generally older) persons thrown in.
 Quoting: Chaol


Hrm. Time for some Genius.


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Hello Chaol, thanks again for all your explanations. You are very kind and patient with us. Also thanks to all who contribute to the discussions because without your interactions, there will be nothing for Chaol to respond to.

I have had a lot of success like I said with the genius and would like to get even braver with my future models. My understanding now is that my perspective comprises of symbols that I interact with and this is existence. Even the aspects of it that are not pleasurable are also interactions to get I can go through to get to my "wanted" destination so to speak. I would like to explore how the geometry of relationships can be explored further (lol sorry for the repetition) to gain more understanding of myself and my perspective. Does this mean welcoming and accepting even things I consider "hazardous" or "not so good" as well as "amazing" and "wonderful" things? I feel like although I have changed a lot in the past month of my immediate surroundings, I should be changing more of how I do and view things.

I already see everyone here (Chaol, AC's and named accounts) as values in my perspective and I'm amazed at how "rich" my perspective really is.

Thanks Unit and others for keeping the topic flowing with your questions. It's very helpful and appreciated.

I absolutely cannot wait for 2013 and all the new relationships it brings!
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Hi. I'm glad to hear your models are working for you. Or, shall I say, you've found a way to communicate more directly with your subconscious.

May I ask, in what way would you like to become more brave with your models? The options are limitless.
 Quoting: Chaol


Thank you again for opening me up to all this!

I would like to use my models on things/experiences I might have deemed impossible (either consciously or unconsciously). Most of my success I think has been due to the simplicity of my expectations and also being able to "see" that it is possible (even easy to achieve) with my genius.

For example, I would like to meet a guy who is perfect for me but if I have never experienced this in my reality, it seems like it might not be possible. Hope you understand. I have yet to make a model for this though. Maybe that should be my next one ;)
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Sun would sure be easy to use for space in a Genius. (Well, as long as you didn't live in a region where it's dark for 6 mos.!) Unless you know how to use it in regards to your body??????
 Quoting: Unit3


If you know how to get your symbol to rest in it, sure :)
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I could add lemon juice and water together and drink it while standing on my left foot, every Thursday.
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You'll often be surprised about how ingenious the path to your desired perspective may be.

You can also make use of multiple representations simultaneously.

The illusion and the real thing are both representations of the same thing. You just call one illusion real because it's a sibling and the other one not-Real because it's a cousin.

Hope this helps.
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Your first statement brings a thought to me. If we are taking symbols to arrange patterns (in our mind) and then letting the Genius do the work, what is the Genius exactly?

Here's what you say on the website:

"Using the Genius you can create a map from one perception to the next. If you can imagine it then you can show yourself how to get there from where you are. The best part about the Genius maps is that we're working with locations in your mind, not physical locations. The steps above should provide the necessary intent to your "subconscious" to make that shift happen"

What do you call the subconscious?

And I can see that I make use of multiple representations simultaneously because look at all that's going on at any time. What I wonder about is how you get any rest knowing how you do this? It seems you would be always conscious of what you are thinking. It doesn't sound restful to me at this point in my understanding.
 Quoting: Chaol


My personal definition is different than the one I use in these discussions.

When I refer to subconscious I am referring to the non-waking mind that sits closer with the wheel of perception. However, my definition would be something like, "...those values in our perspective that are most related to us without being what we consider ourselves to be."
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And how did you arrive that you have a non-waking part of your mind....and how do you know it sits closer with the wheel of perception?

I am guessing you have done what I do and that is observe that many of the things in my perspective seem there not by choice.

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Now that we've briefly discussed use of the Genius how about we talk about ways that we use it in our everyday lives, without realizing it?

Take what you know about how to make a Genius model and apply it to the world that is all ready around you.

This is a tricky one but it is the step that leads up to more advanced uses of Ecsys.

I'll start with a hint:

Everything of your perception is a symbol
 Quoting: Chaol


I think this is a great exercise. I've been trying to figure it out.

Here's what I'll say in answer to your quesiton:

I give meaning to everything I perceive.
 Quoting: Unit3


As you might be inclined to say, where does this meaning come from?
 Quoting: Chaol




Yes, a very good question which I've given a lot of thought to. My answer is programming. However, until I met you, I thought the programming is from whatever I "decide" or am taught.

Now, I am not so sure!!!
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As part of the more advanced uses of Ecsys and neuronics we will learn to make use of the understanding that every experience is one of unique symbols.

The doorknob you touched yesterday is entirely unique from the one today. (One that has of course interacted with other aspects of our perspective that would be called "past" and, thus, seems like the same from yesterday.)

You use the Genius at every moment.

It is what 'creates' the illusion of physically-oriented existence.
 Quoting: Chaol


I can see this already. What overwhelms is the dialogue that must go along with each of these experiences. I almost think I almost prefer not knowing how I use symbols as I do now.

It seems your life would be non-stop chattering of Ec so as to perceive: a body, feeling the chair you are sitting on while at the computer, listening to the heater and tv from the other room, which you are also 'creating' along with sunlight shining through the window and the smell of lunch wafting by. And at the same time remembering what all you want to experience. Whew!!!

Sounds very busy to me. tounge
 Quoting: Chaol


It's actually very quiet.

You can sit quietly in your chair now even though there's trillions of processes going on inside of your body.

You can represent many of those trillions by simply breathing.

Everything can be represented.

And there's no need to remember any of it.

(At every moment, it could be said, the entire universe is created anew. And it all makes sense again.)
 Quoting: Unit3




Just beautiful! Thank you kind sir. I will learn this just as soon as I can. (I know, I know, I am already doing it but not conscious of how I am doing it.)

hf
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What is outside my perspective is now my favorite thought! hf

So, all these people I think I know who are 'beyond the veil' and united with their 'higher self' is my own perspective!!!!!!!!! 1rof1

So, now I am looking at how I ended up with this in my perspective. I've always looked for Truth.

So, I ended up with a boyfriend (met him through a girlfriend who highly recommended him) who had a book sitting on his table that I picked up and read.

It had 'new' ideas (to me) which opened the door to exploring this new area of 'Truth' and finding more and more authors and people experiencing it. I even experimented and experienced some of the same things myself. However, I did see that whatever beliefs I held at the time, influenced my understanding of what happened.

So...I still searched for Truth.

I eventually ended up in GLP and eventually saw this thread on the front page of the forum, for about the 1,000th time, heh! I finally decided to see what it's about.

Now, I'm here still searching for Truth!!!! lmao

(I do feel I"m much closer now, heh!)

What was it you said the other day Chaol....everything stays the same, everything changes?
 Quoting: Unit3


There's no end to the search ;)
 Quoting: Chaol




hf
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You're sweet! I figure if no one else is going to, I sure will hog it, heh!

I admire you for following the thread linearly. I always promise myself I will do so, but it hasn't happened yet! ;o(
But I forgive myself because when Chaol is around & posting, I'd much rather talk to him.

I am curious about your tomorrow too. It sure sounds like it's working well. I can't wait to hear about it.

TC
 Quoting: Unit3


I hear you. When Chaol is around and posting, one doesn't want to miss the opportunity.

I always promise myself to reread the entire thread from page 1 and take notes, but find myself always catching up with the new pages! Right now, I'm around page 180...

Will let you know how the kabuchu experience will be tomorrow!
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OK, looking forward to hearing about the white kitten experiment, heh!

I take notes too. Right now, I'm going back through the thread where I've already read, looking for Chaol's post on the models they use in their world. (He compared it to ours re: going to bed at night!!!)

I break my notes down into subject matter, which makes it linear in the way I like, LOL! You are way better than I am at sticking to it though.

I did just find, back in the thread, where Chaol mentions Tetris in a post. I assume he either has played it or at least likes it because he was going to base an Ec game on it.

I'm always looking for brain games and this might be something I could get into. (The 5D Rubick's cube I posted a couple of days ago is over my head right now.)

So, I did find this online Tetris game which I like because I don't have to download software (seems to always be a problem for me, heh! I'm an artist, not a computer brain.)
All I have to do is figure out the point of it and I"m good.

[link to www.freetetris.org]
 Quoting: Unit3


The models we use are quite complicated. There's no point in going into them now.

Tetris is fun. The music makes it even more fun. Here's the Ec version: [link to ecsys.org] or [link to ecsys.org]
 Quoting: Chaol




Thanks. I love the music but I want to play it too. Do you have a version of it or is the link I provided good enough?
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Hi.

Death, to the few who really subscribe to X in my world, is more of a myth. It seems real when you see or know of others 'tune out' but we also know that the experience of it is different from what it appears to be.

We're sad to see people go, of course. And in a way it's the end of that person's life (or relevance in the world) so they are missed.
 Quoting: Chaol


Do you have any immortals there?

We reportedly have some here and I know of a couple of the ways reported of how they attained it.

Also, there is a lot of talk here that immortality is just about possible now, with all the innovations in medicine.

Almost every body part can be replaced in some way and with the additional use of robotics, it's looking like we could establish it as the norm.
 Quoting: Chaol


In the sense of the physical body living forever? Not that I know of.

I'm not sure why anyone would want to do that, though.
 Quoting: Unit3




Yes, in the sense of the physical body living forever is what I've run across quite a bit in my search, heh!


I would say most people here fear death.
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Anyone remember Chaol saying we'd probably not be using the internet by last december?
 Quoting: Marshwiggle


Yes. And in late October of that year, SOPA was introduced.

This website was one of many on 'the list' to be taken offline.

Some changes have been made since then and now your internet is safe and sound.
 Quoting: Chaol


Thank you. ;o)
 Quoting: Unit3


Nothing you can't do yourself through the power of dream influence.
 Quoting: Chaol



I see this but don't totally know how to do it. I'm still learning. afro
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How is there perspective without consciousness?
 Quoting: Unit3


Can you define consciousness?
 Quoting: Chaol


I can now. It's the result of relationships between symbols.
 Quoting: Unit3


Then perspective is the same as consciousness.

Consciousness is everywhere perspective is.
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Got it! Thanks. WhoooHoooo!!!

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Do you have any suggestions as to how to be more aware in dreams? We call it lucid dreaming and there are all kinds of software and devices to help us achieve it.

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Possibly. But first may I ask why you would want to do that?
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You told a poster to write down what they read, in a dream, the next time. To me, this is lucid dreaming.

I rarely am able to do something like read something in a dream and decide to write it down.
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Funny. I don't remember posting that, but I know I've thought about it.

Chaol, can you explain the meaning behind 'chemtrails' used to 'cover' the sun? What is the purpose of limiting interaction with its perceived energy?
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This is more a Western-world thing. There are plenty of places left with blue skies, though it's interesting how many of us don't notice the change.

It's an illustration of the resistance to physical change, with depopulation of weaker (generally older) persons thrown in.
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Actually, that perspective, from what I can tell, is only among a certain number of 20 somethings. Twenty something's always hate older generations as far as I can tell. (from studying 60's-current twenty somethings.)

Which brings up a good question, what constitutes what manifests in the world?

For example, the chemtrail idea is not a reality to generally older people. In fact, the ones I know are kickin' it! Other examples would be the things you describe about X, such as: hot water has a certain tone, cold water another, etc:.

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Hi.

Did you create the wax owl candle?
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No. I bought it a couple of years ago at a fair market.
My understanding was that we should use any object/symbol already around us (toothbrush, coin, etc.). A different exercise than creating a Genius symbol. Is this correct?
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It would be far more effective if it was something unique that you created, with little-to-no inherent meaning.
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I am very confused about the Awareness Expansion Exercise now.

Wasn't that supposed to be done with what surrounds us, keep one value and change the other three?

Some posters mentioned using a comb as a scratcher, or placing a screwdriver in the toothbrush cup. You mentioned the coin example.

Something unique with no inherent meaning is for the Genius, right?
I thought the exercise was a different thing.
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Sorry, I meant the Expanded Perspective Exercise
The above questions were regarding this.
I am confused on how to apply it correctly.
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Okay, so when you use the Sun as a nexus point, you use it on certain dates....seemingly, Nov 17. If this is so, what value have you assigned to that date?
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The date is not important to the nexus itself.

It would be like if there was a giant snowball at the top of the hill. You then saw it starting to roll down the hill. You could then assign a date (or color, name, chicken recipe) to a point along its path.

It will pick up more snow as it rolls but that is predictable because of its nature. You can tell from its size approximately what 'size' it will be when it reaches the bottom or any other point along the path.

The snowball, rolling, and hill are all values in perspective.

I make up the date for the snowball reaching the bottom and everything else falls into place so that when the snowball reaches the bottom it is that date.
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Could you give me examples of what you mean by the snowball, rolling and hill are values in perspective. I notice you didn't say in "my" perspective.

Thanks
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A quick report on the "kabuchu" experience and the kitten.

She showed up today, and for the first time ever she peed on my floor. Lol!
Chased her away mentioning the word, and reinforcing the concept within myself.

The kitten showed up again a couple more times, more than yesterday, but definitely less than usual.

I realize I have to be clear about kabuchu myself, before I perceive differently. Maybe I should write the word down, as sometimes today I couldn't remember it and misspelled it in my mind, thinking "Kombucha", the Japanese mushroom tea!

Or I'll find a more unique word that leads to no confusion.
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Wow! Verrrrry interesting.

Yes, write it down. I made up a word and then the next time I wanted to use it, I couldn't remember the word. ;o(
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The website is meant as an introduction to this particular forum.

The language I use is specific for the intent. For the website, it is to use language and terms that people are more likely to understand.

As we move along in our understanding I will change the language and terms so that new (or as I say, more accurate) understandings come into play.

From the website there is one law (although I would not really call it a law), Ecsys Prime.
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You know, I keep forgetting you have to keep changing the language. Thanks for reminding me once again.

I wish I didn't need the website but I do for now. I still get a lot out of it.
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I'm mostly okay with the language but sometimes I am confused by plurals and singulars and other morphemes.

To take a recent example, "disbelief" to me doesn't make sense even though I know how to use it. For me it's just "belief".

If anything confuses you please let me know and I will try to clarify :)
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You're too sweet. I know from talking with you that you are very patient, with all of us, and always try to clarify.

It's appreciated and you do very well with the language confusion. I should do so well!

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where art thy Chaol?

How can one know if they are ready for the acsension?

thank you
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also, Chaol, is there any significance behind 11:11, also can you tell me some interesting things about Thoth and the emerald tablets?

thanks
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No, not really. They're just numbers.

What would you like to know about the emerald tablets?
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could you explain why the emeralds were made?

are they real? not a prank?

and what is the general message or meaning behind them?how old are they?

also,

do you meditate?

if so, if you could be so kind to give me some ideas on how to become better at it, it would be appreciated.

thanks
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Now that we've briefly discussed use of the Genius how about we talk about ways that we use it in our everyday lives, without realizing it?

Take what you know about how to make a Genius model and apply it to the world that is all ready around you.

This is a tricky one but it is the step that leads up to more advanced uses of Ecsys.

I'll start with a hint:

Everything of your perception is a symbol
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Entering the dreamworld
Symbol - Queen size bed
Space - Bedroom
Interaction - Trying to gain an inch of mattress and pillow, while cats are faster than me as they jump over
Logic - Turning to left side of body, closing eyes and following colored shapes, until waking consciousness fades away
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Yes. And your interacts have an effect on your dreamworld.

Anything you interact with has an effect on what you'd call your past/present/future perspective.

What does your bed represent?
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Interesting that such a question had me pondering a bit.

The very first answer to that was "rest". But then I realized it's not it. I feel more rested when I lay on the couch, either with the laptop, or watching some TV.

I usually delay going to bed, until the very last minute. So I'd rather say "exhaustion", or deep sleep and dreams.

Thinking further, due to lack of companionship, my current bed/symbol has seen zero sexual activity for a perceived long time, so it's pretty much a cold representation. :( But that's about to change with the use of the Genius! :)

Short of buying an eerie fake boyfriend doll (lol!), I'll start by placing a representation of companionship on it.

I thought of dusting off my old teddy bear, which has been sitting in a dark closet for years. Poor thing. It was my trusted companion and I shared all my thoughts with it, as a child.
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I have an idea.....and it will kill a lot of birds with one Genius (a new saying, heh)

How about you and I work on a Genius together for a true love from Chaol's world? We would then also get our own teacher, :o)!!!!

Not that I'm griping about Chaol, but I have to live this stuff to really learn it. He is doing great but I want more, heh!!!!

What do you think?

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A quick report on the "kabuchu" experience and the kitten.

She showed up today, and for the first time ever she peed on my floor. Lol!
Chased her away mentioning the word, and reinforcing the concept within myself.

The kitten showed up again a couple more times, more than yesterday, but definitely less than usual.

I realize I have to be clear about kabuchu myself, before I perceive differently. Maybe I should write the word down, as sometimes today I couldn't remember it and misspelled it in my mind, thinking "Kombucha", the Japanese mushroom tea!

Or I'll find a more unique word that leads to no confusion.
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Wow! Verrrrry interesting.

Yes, write it down. I made up a word and then the next time I wanted to use it, I couldn't remember the word. ;o(
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Yes, I think I will start sticking post-it notes, or get a special notebook for all new words. :)

Also, right after posting the report, I realized the connection between the tea and the pee!

Now I cannot help but think of Kombucha tea, so I would like to redefine the concept and come up with another word.

@ Chaol,
once the word is created, do we have to stick with it, or can it be changed?