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Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

 
Chaol

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Yes. And in late October of that year, SOPA was introduced.

This website was one of many on 'the list' to be taken offline.

Some changes have been made since then and now your internet is safe and sound.
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Thank you. ;o)
 Quoting: Unit3


Nothing you can't do yourself through the power of dream influence.
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I see this but don't totally know how to do it. I'm still learning. afro
 Quoting: Unit3


Several of us have all ready done it here and on the Dream thread.

But the value of their accomplishment is not fully realized.

It's not so hard. It just takes a bit of practice. One of the best ways to practice something while dreaming is to practice something similar while awake. If your intention is to be able to communicate with someone else in their sleep then try to whisper through the space of physicality to their ears when awake (as one example).
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Do you have any suggestions as to how to be more aware in dreams? We call it lucid dreaming and there are all kinds of software and devices to help us achieve it.

[snips]
 Quoting: Unit3


Possibly. But first may I ask why you would want to do that?
 Quoting: Chaol


You told a poster to write down what they read, in a dream, the next time. To me, this is lucid dreaming.

I rarely am able to do something like read something in a dream and decide to write it down.
 Quoting: Unit3


All dreams are lucid and fully-involved.

The question is, "How is my dream related to my waking life?"

Part of you is dreaming as you read this. The human mind is all ways dreaming. When we sleep more of our mind does it.

Oftentimes we don't remember the life of our dreams because it is not relative to our physical brand of being.

For practical purposes, I'm sure someone in this forum can point you to lucid dreaming exercises that may help (if that's what you'd like to do).
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Funny. I don't remember posting that, but I know I've thought about it.

Chaol, can you explain the meaning behind 'chemtrails' used to 'cover' the sun? What is the purpose of limiting interaction with its perceived energy?
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This is more a Western-world thing. There are plenty of places left with blue skies, though it's interesting how many of us don't notice the change.

It's an illustration of the resistance to physical change, with depopulation of weaker (generally older) persons thrown in.
 Quoting: Chaol




Actually, that perspective, from what I can tell, is only among a certain number of 20 somethings. Twenty something's always hate older generations as far as I can tell. (from studying 60's-current twenty somethings.)

Which brings up a good question, what constitutes what manifests in the world?

For example, the chemtrail idea is not a reality to generally older people. In fact, the ones I know are kickin' it! Other examples would be the things you describe about X, such as: hot water has a certain tone, cold water another, etc:.
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Everything that 'exists' has a value in your current perspective.

That's the only manifestation.
Chaol

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Okay, so when you use the Sun as a nexus point, you use it on certain dates....seemingly, Nov 17. If this is so, what value have you assigned to that date?
 Quoting: Unit3


The date is not important to the nexus itself.

It would be like if there was a giant snowball at the top of the hill. You then saw it starting to roll down the hill. You could then assign a date (or color, name, chicken recipe) to a point along its path.

It will pick up more snow as it rolls but that is predictable because of its nature. You can tell from its size approximately what 'size' it will be when it reaches the bottom or any other point along the path.

The snowball, rolling, and hill are all values in perspective.

I make up the date for the snowball reaching the bottom and everything else falls into place so that when the snowball reaches the bottom it is that date.
 Quoting: Chaol


Could you give me examples of what you mean by the snowball, rolling and hill are values in perspective. I notice you didn't say in "my" perspective.

Thanks
 Quoting: Unit3


Anything that is a value in perspective can be known, understood, manipulated, communicated with, you, etc.

I was just saying how none of it is outside of yourself. So it need not be a mystery.
Chaol

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You're too sweet. I know from talking with you that you are very patient, with all of us, and always try to clarify.

It's appreciated and you do very well with the language confusion. I should do so well!
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Thank you for the kind words =)

It's a pleasure to be here.
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Entering the dreamworld
Symbol - Queen size bed
Space - Bedroom
Interaction - Trying to gain an inch of mattress and pillow, while cats are faster than me as they jump over
Logic - Turning to left side of body, closing eyes and following colored shapes, until waking consciousness fades away
 Quoting: Ambra 30479979


Yes. And your interacts have an effect on your dreamworld.

Anything you interact with has an effect on what you'd call your past/present/future perspective.

What does your bed represent?
 Quoting: Chaol


Interesting that such a question had me pondering a bit.

The very first answer to that was "rest". But then I realized it's not it. I feel more rested when I lay on the couch, either with the laptop, or watching some TV.

I usually delay going to bed, until the very last minute. So I'd rather say "exhaustion", or deep sleep and dreams.

Thinking further, due to lack of companionship, my current bed/symbol has seen zero sexual activity for a perceived long time, so it's pretty much a cold representation. :( But that's about to change with the use of the Genius! :)

Short of buying an eerie fake boyfriend doll (lol!), I'll start by placing a representation of companionship on it.

I thought of dusting off my old teddy bear, which has been sitting in a dark closet for years. Poor thing. It was my trusted companion and I shared all my thoughts with it, as a child.
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May I ask, for how long have you only thought of your bed as a 'last resort' for sleep? (Rather than something you could feel relaxed or comfortable on.)
 Quoting: Chaol


For a very long time. Years.

All technology is in the living room, computer, tv... and everything else I interact with, including the fireplace.

I could implement some changes, and try to read in bed, or do tarot cards spreads. Right now it truly feels as a "last resort"! If I'm awake, I get bored.
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where art thy Chaol?

How can one know if they are ready for the acsension?

thank you
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also, Chaol, is there any significance behind 11:11, also can you tell me some interesting things about Thoth and the emerald tablets?

thanks
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29360092


No, not really. They're just numbers.

What would you like to know about the emerald tablets?
 Quoting: Chaol


could you explain why the emeralds were made?

are they real? not a prank?

and what is the general message or meaning behind them?how old are they?

also,

do you meditate?

if so, if you could be so kind to give me some ideas on how to become better at it, it would be appreciated.

thanks
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30735632


Are you referring to the book of Hermes?

You seem to be missing an interesting book from your perspective. I'll see if I can find it for you. (I can only find references to a few lines of text from it.)

By meditate, what do you mean? The word itself could mean many things.

I don't think I do in the traditional sense. I don't sit with my eyes closed and visualize, if that's what you're asking.
Chaol

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[snips]
@ Chaol,
once the word is created, do we have to stick with it, or can it be changed?
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You can change it all you like, as long as you use it properly.
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May I ask, for how long have you only thought of your bed as a 'last resort' for sleep? (Rather than something you could feel relaxed or comfortable on.)
 Quoting: Chaol


For a very long time. Years.

All technology is in the living room, computer, tv... and everything else I interact with, including the fireplace.

I could implement some changes, and try to read in bed, or do tarot cards spreads. Right now it truly feels as a "last resort"! If I'm awake, I get bored.
 Quoting: Ambra 30767611


I forgot to mention, that when I rented this place, it came already with some furniture. At the time I didn't mind, as I had planned on staying briefly. Actually, it was ideal not having to get furniture at the time.

The stuff in the bedroom (except for the new mattress) is not mine and does not reflect my taste [huge closet, mirror, chest drawer, etc]. Maybe this aggravates not wanting to spend much waking time there.

I will do small changes, though. Like lamp shades, my own paintings, and such.

The real bedroom will be in the next home. 100% from scratch.
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[snips]
It's interesting that you mention that, because I was pondering on the qualities of my new soon to be perceived companion, and thought something quite similar! :)
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Perhaps the only thing to ponder is to think of how you feel when you look into his eyes. It may sound corny, but the point is to get away from doing things that your Genius could do far better. Just give it an idea and it will take care of the rest.
Chaol

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How about a word that does not imply some kind of resistance? It may be more effective. Both numbers 1 and 2 imply a resistance.
 Quoting: Chaol


Right.
I'll take the kittens out of the equation (as they are a source of resistance).

I have to say that Ecsys really makes one dig deep into their psychology, thinking of what each detail entails!

I just realized that the invading kittens are just an expression of also their owners. Really nice people, but there is a family group in two houses visiting each other and passing by, in a garden set up that makes me feel little privacy (confined).

Mahlvallah = "I am free in my living space"
It's the least resistance I can put in it, I guess. Lol!
 Quoting: Ambra 30767611


I would say that it is because of the inefficiency of English and other similar languages. There just aren't that many concepts for things.

So you have a pretty clear idea of what 'free' means to you? And others would, too?
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You'd be perceiving an inferential experience?

I think that that inference is made by our intent and is subject to the logic in the system by which we perceive. We are basically choosing what we experience at all times. It's just that on the most basic level we (as we currently can perceive our sense of self) do not exist. Am I off?
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


No intent is needed.

If we experience what is most relative (or seem to) then what choice is there?

You'd be choosing something that not only all ready exists but does not really exist.

This is a longer discussion, as it gets into questions like "what about decisions?" and such.

If you're up for it, let me know.
 Quoting: Chaol


Thank you. I am up for it.

I had perceived decisions to be the execution of "choice". I had also assumed that choices are based on the information we have "acquired" on the current experience within the decision space that the logic allows.

In that way I assumed that the ability to "choose" anything defined "free will" and I also assumed all this was fundamental to our "ability" to perceive (at the level we do "perceive").
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


"Free will" is an illusion.

Unfortunately, there is no free will because of the dependent nature of values in perspective.

We can say that you choose to go out and get a cheeseburger as an example of how you have control over what you decide to do.

Yet we ignore so much about the supposed choice, focusing only on what seems like the end result (a tasty cheeseburger).

We don't think about not being able to materialize a cheeseburger without going outside, or going out to get a cantaloupe burger, or having to put on clothes and pay for it. The cheeseburger is entirely dependent on a myriad of other interdependent systems working together in unison to bring you the appearance of free will.

That's the say nothing of the reality that the cheeseburger is not real.

Free will presumes that we can be, at times, able to not experience the most relative perspective next.

The most relative perspective is what we experience, not free will. But this is also not a choice. You are not forced into experiencing anything, of course. This is the only way it could possibly be done because there is no actual energy.

The energy of the universe is an illusion. It would be impossible to 'jump' over to the 2nd least-wasteful perspective just for the fun of it. The reason that we experience that which takes the least amount of energy (or interactions) is because the energy is not really there to begin with.

If choices are "...based on the information we have "acquired" on the current experience within the decision space that the logic allows" would that also include the 99.999% of all information regarding our experience that our senses are not aware of? [Scientists would provide that number. I would say 100%]

So would this be a conscious choice based on a very infinitesimally small amount of total information? That's to say nothing of the contradicting or misleading information that our brains don't know what to do with.

It is not that we are free to choose from a selected variety of perspectives. It is that free will is meaningless when everything depends on everything else. It's one system, you could say.

So are you free to go get yourself a cheeseburger? Yes. As long as it is realized that the concept of freedom of choice is irrelevant.
 Quoting: Chaol


Our choices are limited by what we "believe" our choices are. I see where you're coming from, but "free will" (ability to make (any) choice based on the information we ARE aware of) is as I see it, fundamental to our "current" experience of "reality"(within the spectrum of nothing).

Since we can never be "TRULY" self aware (because even what we consider our "self" is outside of awareness) we seem to get information on the relationships this "self" represents, but it's all illusion. When all we experience is illusion, the illusion itself becomes irrelevant because EVERY experience is supported by the framework it provides. So we can tag any experience with "illusion" or "simulation" or "nothing" or "existence" but I just don't see it as useful. I do see tagging experience with "perspective" useful as it allows us to take into account the totality of the most relative relationships that define that perspective.

I understand what you mean by "free will" being an illusion, I just don't see "free will" and illusion as mutually exclusive systems. Popping from bottle to bottle is what we do automatically as the dominoes fall within the most logical pattern (requiring the least energy or number of interactions). But this automatic "process" by which perspectives cascade through their variants is an expression of the "free will" of the system that houses perspective. Free will (the opportunity to make choice within a limited decision set) is a tool we use to enhance and express our perspective in a way that leads to "deeper" and "richer" opportunities for illusory experience. The illusory concepts of "free will" and "fate" are one in the same because the decisions we "believe" we've made are the decisions we've "always" made and we made them based on what we perceived (albeit illusory) to be our past decisions and their perceived results.

The moment there is opportunity for choice, whether illusory or not, there is "free will" automatically generated (perceived) with in that space.

If what comes next (in our nothing kaleidoscope) is what takes the least energy to come next and we can define how that energy is distributed and the framework in which it flows, then that ability is our perceived "free will". It's a self correcting feedback loop and presupposes time and decision space. Perhaps I am limited by my "current" inability to see beyond my perceived "ability to choose".
Nothing is irrelevant.
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A small revision, which may have less resistance.

Mahlvallah = "I enjoy the freedom of my living space"

I like it better. This may even help me in finding the dream home to buy (I am renting now). I stopped searching, but I will resume thinking of the Mahlvallah concept.

The thing is, that when one is defining a concept to "get rid of a problem" will always have resistance in it. One should define a new desired experience instead. :-)
 Quoting: Ambra 30767611


Well-put.

I think the new word is ready :)

Although... (heh).. is the spelling or pronunciation going to be an issue?
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[snips]
@ Chaol,
once the word is created, do we have to stick with it, or can it be changed?
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You can change it all you like, as long as you use it properly.
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Good to know. Thanks!
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[snips]
It's interesting that you mention that, because I was pondering on the qualities of my new soon to be perceived companion, and thought something quite similar! :)
 Quoting: Ambra 30733622


Perhaps the only thing to ponder is to think of how you feel when you look into his eyes. It may sound corny, but the point is to get away from doing things that your Genius could do far better. Just give it an idea and it will take care of the rest.
 Quoting: Chaol


That's a wonderful insight.
I'll do just that!
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A small revision, which may have less resistance.

Mahlvallah = "I enjoy the freedom of my living space"

I like it better. This may even help me in finding the dream home to buy (I am renting now). I stopped searching, but I will resume thinking of the Mahlvallah concept.

The thing is, that when one is defining a concept to "get rid of a problem" will always have resistance in it. One should define a new desired experience instead. :-)
 Quoting: Ambra 30767611


Well-put.

I think the new word is ready :)

Although... (heh).. is the spelling or pronunciation going to be an issue?
 Quoting: Chaol


Yay!

No, not an issue about the pronunciation. As for the spelling, I'll write it down on a post-it note to imprint it [I have visual memory], and stick it somewhere visible. :)
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You're real, I'm real, Chaol is real...I bet every poster on this thread would say they are real.
 Quoting: Unit3


If you read it is it being written?

Or are you just reading it.
 Quoting: Chaol


It's being written while I read it.

Btw, whenever you have a chance, we are waiting for you in the dream thread.

Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe": Meeting in the new Dream reality
 Quoting: Unit3


It could also be said that there is no need to write it. Only to perceive it.
 Quoting: Chaol



Thanks.

rockon
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Perspective is afar from questions and answers
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No disagreement, but if I can explain how i connected them.

Externalizing the desire or want provides us with new perspective.
 Quoting: Chaol


"Externalizing the desire" to me means that i am at point A that i know of and i "want" to go to point B.

So before you say "point B", haven't you asked questions like "where i want to go, why i want to go there and how i will go there?" If you haven't answered, there is no "point B" that creates the perspective. Isn't it?

So, the whatever perspective we each currently experience comes from the whichever answers we have given to our whichever questions we asked in the first place.

Besides when you say:
"dont ask how to win the lottery, ask how you can have an abundance of money instead, for example", is it not an attempt to shifting/creating a perspective through a question? How else could you have done this to yourself or to others, other than through questions and answers?
 Quoting: panoukos


(The following is provided for illustration only...)

We know very little compared with our own subconscious.

When we "externalize the desire or want" we are communicating with our subconscious.

We can ask questions about Point B but it is not the questions nor the answers that get us there.

Our subconscious asks no questions nor provides any answers.

The questions are like queues for our subconscious to interpret. We can then interpret the "result".

The waking mind asks the questions and interprets what may be seen as answers.

When you say, "So, the whatever perspective we each currently experience comes from the whichever answers we have given to our whichever questions we asked in the first place." we can consider that our current perspective is not based on the questions of our waking mind.

For, "dont ask how to win the lottery, ask how you can have an abundance of money instead, for example", [I don't think this is a direct quote, but I will respond as though it was] it is not meant to be a question for the subconscious but more of a practical question about how to go about making a more effective model.

I suppose the ultimate question is really "How do I get from Point A to Point B?"

The answer is that our waking mind represents what Point B is and our Genius (subconscious) makes it more relative to our current perspective.
 Quoting: Chaol



I love illustrative examples. Thanks.

So, we are teaching our waking mind what the subconscious already knows. Since we don't know how we use the Genius, are we actually functioning only through the subconscious currently?

Iow, what's the difference in the waking mind that knows it wants to get to Point B, but doesn't know how it happens....as compared to the waking mind that does know how it happens.
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Sun would sure be easy to use for space in a Genius. (Well, as long as you didn't live in a region where it's dark for 6 mos.!) Unless you know how to use it in regards to your body??????
 Quoting: Unit3


If you know how to get your symbol to rest in it, sure :)
 Quoting: Chaol


I could add lemon juice and water together and drink it while standing on my left foot, every Thursday.
 Quoting: Unit3


If your space is the Sun then your symbol should rest (mostly, not all ways) in/of it.

Unless you have a spaceship I don't know about maybe an other space would work better *smile*
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I was talking about the sun in the body.

I could leave a nail with a red mark on it on the patio.
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I think this is a great exercise. I've been trying to figure it out.

Here's what I'll say in answer to your quesiton:

I give meaning to everything I perceive.
 Quoting: Unit3


As you might be inclined to say, where does this meaning come from?
 Quoting: Chaol


Yes, a very good question which I've given a lot of thought to. My answer is programming. However, until I met you, I thought the programming is from whatever I "decide" or am taught.

Now, I am not so sure!!!
 Quoting: Unit3


If it is programming, are you capable of changing the program?

If so, could it mean that the program is being re-created now? Or is at least able to be changed now?

If so, then who or what is doing that?
 Quoting: Chaol




I feel like I have changed a great deal of the programming I was taught. I understand this is something I am perceiving now so yes, the program is being re-created and/or changed now.

Yes, I would like to know who is changing the programming, LOL! I would like to know who is learning to use the Genius, who has a subconscious and who is perceiving. heh!

It's still hard to see it all as nothing or as illusion. I understand I feel I exist because I perceive and that's about it. The rest, I'm waiting for a lightbulb moment.
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A small revision, which may have less resistance.

Mahlvallah = "I enjoy the freedom of my living space"

I like it better. This may even help me in finding the dream home to buy (I am renting now). I stopped searching, but I will resume thinking of the Mahlvallah concept.

The thing is, that when one is defining a concept to "get rid of a problem" will always have resistance in it. One should define a new desired experience instead. :-)
 Quoting: Ambra 30767611




Well, the desired experience implies the undesired, LOL! However, I don't want to be completely flat about everything. I think it's all about acceptance, what do you think?
 Quoting: Unit3


While I'll ponder on your other post, it seems to me that not all desired experiences imply the undesired, if that is already not relevant.

[New perspective]
Let's say I want to go to Spain for a holiday, as an example. It is a desired experience, and it would be fun to get the Genius working, but not going is not undesired, just irrelevant. Content either way.

[Change of current perspective]
In the case of the kitten, I really want to create a change, as I am tired of chasing after it, so the desired experience does imply the undesired (resistance), if perception stays focused on the problem (even indirectly), which is relevant.

This, to me is the trickier part.
 Quoting: Ambra 30767611


How can you desire something if you don't un-desire something? If you are content if your desires aren't met, (if you don't get to go to Spain) then I think it's all irrelevant, but not so sure otherwise.

Yes, it is tricky to have a problem and change it without resistance. I know Chaol has said to relate to it differently to change perspective. I'm trying to figure out how to do this with a certain body function that slows down if I don't eat enough fiber! ;o(
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OK, looking forward to hearing about the white kitten experiment, heh!

I take notes too. Right now, I'm going back through the thread where I've already read, looking for Chaol's post on the models they use in their world. (He compared it to ours re: going to bed at night!!!)

I break my notes down into subject matter, which makes it linear in the way I like, LOL! You are way better than I am at sticking to it though.

I did just find, back in the thread, where Chaol mentions Tetris in a post. I assume he either has played it or at least likes it because he was going to base an Ec game on it.

I'm always looking for brain games and this might be something I could get into. (The 5D Rubick's cube I posted a couple of days ago is over my head right now.)

So, I did find this online Tetris game which I like because I don't have to download software (seems to always be a problem for me, heh! I'm an artist, not a computer brain.)
All I have to do is figure out the point of it and I"m good.

[link to www.freetetris.org]
 Quoting: Unit3


The models we use are quite complicated. There's no point in going into them now.

Tetris is fun. The music makes it even more fun. Here's the Ec version: [link to ecsys.org] or [link to ecsys.org]
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Thanks. I love the music but I want to play it too. Do you have a version of it or is the link I provided good enough?
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It should play in your browser. It's just a little tune, quite short.
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I'm sorry. I wasn't clear here. I meant I'd like to play the game too. Do you have your own version of the game too?
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Thank you. ;o)
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Nothing you can't do yourself through the power of dream influence.
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I see this but don't totally know how to do it. I'm still learning. afro
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Several of us have all ready done it here and on the Dream thread.

But the value of their accomplishment is not fully realized.

It's not so hard. It just takes a bit of practice. One of the best ways to practice something while dreaming is to practice something similar while awake. If your intention is to be able to communicate with someone else in their sleep then try to whisper through the space of physicality to their ears when awake (as one example).
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AWESOME!!!!!! This is cool. Okay, so I'd also like to pick up a pen and write when I read stuff during dream time, so that I might have a better change of remembering it when awake. Hmmmmmm, so my taking notes from what we chat about here is an example of that, maybe?

Also, are you talking about the dream where 3 of us in separate locations, in a 24 hour period experienced a similar type dream? And we haven't realized the value of that accomplishment? It was one event, right?

See, I want to have that happen again and again until it's my reality!!!!
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Do you have any suggestions as to how to be more aware in dreams? We call it lucid dreaming and there are all kinds of software and devices to help us achieve it.

[snips]
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Possibly. But first may I ask why you would want to do that?
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You told a poster to write down what they read, in a dream, the next time. To me, this is lucid dreaming.

I rarely am able to do something like read something in a dream and decide to write it down.
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All dreams are lucid and fully-involved.

The question is, "How is my dream related to my waking life?"

Part of you is dreaming as you read this. The human mind is all ways dreaming. When we sleep more of our mind does it.

Oftentimes we don't remember the life of our dreams because it is not relative to our physical brand of being.

For practical purposes, I'm sure someone in this forum can point you to lucid dreaming exercises that may help (if that's what you'd like to do).
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Wow! (the bold statement)

What I'd really like to do is make the dreamtime experiences, my reality in waking time. That's why I was experimenting with symbols from dreamtime when I found your threads, and started incorporating what I'm learning here with what I was doing.

Edit: I need to clarify this. I am trying to integrate people like who are in this thread into my dreamtime and make my dreamtime my waking time. Iow, I think I'm trying to perceive the 2 worlds merged.

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This is more a Western-world thing. There are plenty of places left with blue skies, though it's interesting how many of us don't notice the change.

It's an illustration of the resistance to physical change, with depopulation of weaker (generally older) persons thrown in.
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Actually, that perspective, from what I can tell, is only among a certain number of 20 somethings. Twenty something's always hate older generations as far as I can tell. (from studying 60's-current twenty somethings.)

Which brings up a good question, what constitutes what manifests in the world?

For example, the chemtrail idea is not a reality to generally older people. In fact, the ones I know are kickin' it! Other examples would be the things you describe about X, such as: hot water has a certain tone, cold water another, etc:.
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Everything that 'exists' has a value in your current perspective.

That's the only manifestation.
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So I perceive "my" world as generations that differ? And I perceive you saying that in your world hot and cold water have different tones?

It's all my perspective? And I can change it to one where "my" world is one of abundance for all, with crazy, awesome technology and abilities to travel the universe with friends?
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A small revision, which may have less resistance.

Mahlvallah = "I enjoy the freedom of my living space"

I like it better. This may even help me in finding the dream home to buy (I am renting now). I stopped searching, but I will resume thinking of the Mahlvallah concept.

The thing is, that when one is defining a concept to "get rid of a problem" will always have resistance in it. One should define a new desired experience instead. :-)
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Well, the desired experience implies the undesired, LOL! However, I don't want to be completely flat about everything. I think it's all about acceptance, what do you think?
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While I'll ponder on your other post, it seems to me that not all desired experiences imply the undesired, if that is already not relevant.

[New perspective]
Let's say I want to go to Spain for a holiday, as an example. It is a desired experience, and it would be fun to get the Genius working, but not going is not undesired, just irrelevant. Content either way.

[Change of current perspective]
In the case of the kitten, I really want to create a change, as I am tired of chasing after it, so the desired experience does imply the undesired (resistance), if perception stays focused on the problem (even indirectly), which is relevant.

This, to me is the trickier part.
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How can you desire something if you don't un-desire something? If you are content if your desires aren't met, (if you don't get to go to Spain) then I think it's all irrelevant, but not so sure otherwise.

Yes, it is tricky to have a problem and change it without resistance. I know Chaol has said to relate to it differently to change perspective. I'm trying to figure out how to do this with a certain body function that slows down if I don't eat enough fiber! ;o(
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Another example.
If I desire a dog, I am not un-desiring my cat.

If the desire is opposite of the un-desired, than there is resistance about the un-desired. If the desire is just something new, I think it's different.
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It's interesting that you mention that, because I was pondering on the qualities of my new soon to be perceived companion, and thought something quite similar! :)
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Perhaps the only thing to ponder is to think of how you feel when you look into his eyes. It may sound corny, but the point is to get away from doing things that your Genius could do far better. Just give it an idea and it will take care of the rest.
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For my Genius, I put the desire is to receive flowers from my true love. I didn't put anything else but I would like someone close to my age. I didn't know how to insert that and figured it would mess things up anyway.
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Well, the desired experience implies the undesired, LOL! However, I don't want to be completely flat about everything. I think it's all about acceptance, what do you think?
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While I'll ponder on your other post, it seems to me that not all desired experiences imply the undesired, if that is already not relevant.

[New perspective]
Let's say I want to go to Spain for a holiday, as an example. It is a desired experience, and it would be fun to get the Genius working, but not going is not undesired, just irrelevant. Content either way.

[Change of current perspective]
In the case of the kitten, I really want to create a change, as I am tired of chasing after it, so the desired experience does imply the undesired (resistance), if perception stays focused on the problem (even indirectly), which is relevant.

This, to me is the trickier part.
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How can you desire something if you don't un-desire something? If you are content if your desires aren't met, (if you don't get to go to Spain) then I think it's all irrelevant, but not so sure otherwise.

Yes, it is tricky to have a problem and change it without resistance. I know Chaol has said to relate to it differently to change perspective. I'm trying to figure out how to do this with a certain body function that slows down if I don't eat enough fiber! ;o(
 Quoting: Unit3


Another example.
If I desire a dog, I am not un-desiring my cat.

If the desire is opposite of the un-desired, than there is resistance about the un-desired. If the desire is just something new, I think it's different.
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Good point.

Edit: But, doesn't the desire to have something, a desire not to not have it? Iow, what brings the desire in the first place?

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Well, the desired experience implies the undesired, LOL! However, I don't want to be completely flat about everything. I think it's all about acceptance, what do you think?
 Quoting: Unit3


While I'll ponder on your other post, it seems to me that not all desired experiences imply the undesired, if that is already not relevant.

[New perspective]
Let's say I want to go to Spain for a holiday, as an example. It is a desired experience, and it would be fun to get the Genius working, but not going is not undesired, just irrelevant. Content either way.

[Change of current perspective]
In the case of the kitten, I really want to create a change, as I am tired of chasing after it, so the desired experience does imply the undesired (resistance), if perception stays focused on the problem (even indirectly), which is relevant.

This, to me is the trickier part.
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How can you desire something if you don't un-desire something? If you are content if your desires aren't met, (if you don't get to go to Spain) then I think it's all irrelevant, but not so sure otherwise.

Yes, it is tricky to have a problem and change it without resistance. I know Chaol has said to relate to it differently to change perspective. I'm trying to figure out how to do this with a certain body function that slows down if I don't eat enough fiber! ;o(
 Quoting: Unit3


Another example.
If I desire a dog, I am not un-desiring my cat.

If the desire is opposite of the un-desired, than there is resistance about the un-desired. If the desire is just something new, I think it's different.
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The dog and the cat could be the same symbol, if you perceive them that way ("I only ever wanted one pet" or some other limiting belief). They certainly explore a lot of the same relationships. Same could be said for your "computer" (or anything else) though. If you desire a dog and a cat in tandem, then that would explore a different set of relationships than the dog or cat alone. Maybe this is where our concept of death comes from. Sometimes we need to move "something" out of the way to see the sun.

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Nothing is irrelevant.
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While I'll ponder on your other post, it seems to me that not all desired experiences imply the undesired, if that is already not relevant.

[New perspective]
Let's say I want to go to Spain for a holiday, as an example. It is a desired experience, and it would be fun to get the Genius working, but not going is not undesired, just irrelevant. Content either way.

[Change of current perspective]
In the case of the kitten, I really want to create a change, as I am tired of chasing after it, so the desired experience does imply the undesired (resistance), if perception stays focused on the problem (even indirectly), which is relevant.

This, to me is the trickier part.
 Quoting: Ambra 30767611


How can you desire something if you don't un-desire something? If you are content if your desires aren't met, (if you don't get to go to Spain) then I think it's all irrelevant, but not so sure otherwise.

Yes, it is tricky to have a problem and change it without resistance. I know Chaol has said to relate to it differently to change perspective. I'm trying to figure out how to do this with a certain body function that slows down if I don't eat enough fiber! ;o(
 Quoting: Unit3


Another example.
If I desire a dog, I am not un-desiring my cat.

If the desire is opposite of the un-desired, than there is resistance about the un-desired. If the desire is just something new, I think it's different.
 Quoting: Ambra 30767611


The dog and the cat could be the same symbol, if you perceive them that way ("I only ever wanted one pet" or some other limiting belief). They certainly explore a lot of the same relationships. Same could be said for your "computer" (or anything else) though. If you desire a dog and a cat in tandem, then that would explore a different set of relationships than the dog or cat alone. Maybe this is where our concept of death comes from. Sometimes we need to move "something" out of the way to see the sun.
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Wow!

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