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Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

 
Jesse Sovoda

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I seek to expand my "awareness", I am looking to perceive a richer resolution of experience in each "moment" to allow me to get "more" out of my perspective and I seek to use that to increase the "quality of life" for myself and those I care about. I've found in some of my trials, I became less tolerant or patient with the very ones I'm looking to protect/enhance. This seems to happen because as I expand my understanding I am more aware of their intent and the relationships they hold within my perspective. This (at times) leads me to dismiss their concerns as if they're trivial (yet to them they're obviously not). If I am to assist and nurture them in order to "enhance" them and "protect" them (from my perspective), I cannot dismiss their perceived concerns (as trivial as I perceive them to be).
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Curious.. do you think they could be resisting how you think they should be enhanced?

Maybe they will be relative to your new self on their own terms, not ones that you've planned.

I haven't experienced your situation, so I'm only guessing.
 Quoting: Chaol


Yes, I do. On this level, we get along and work toward mutual happiness and benefit. My curiosity has led me down many rabbit holes and I find within them a common theme, they're interesting to the geometry of relationships that I "care about" (value) but irrelevant. In the "next level"(all levels) that "working towards mutual benefit and happiness" may be rendered as working against each other (as that dynamic is working now through my inability to properly explain my perspective or inspire others to seek to experience it).

My desire to bring them along in nice packages neatly marked fragile is seemingly beyond my ability. I think back to what you said about most of your population choosing to not use (or even bother to understand) the language of perspective (consciously) and I cringe. I believe that I am able to perceive a subjective universe rich with experience but I will be unable to share it. I feel like I am building a massive playground rich with possibility and the ones I'll invite to come play will ignore it altogether (as they do not technically exist beyond my perception of them anyway).

I don't want my wife to be properly represented as a "carnival ride" within perspective. I want to transplant her into my perspective, I want her to be who she is, making the decisions she does and be able to ride it "herself". It seems to me that if we perceive as a "god" does or as a player does via an RTS game, we find ourselves incapable of interacting (fairly) on a first person basis, whether we are playing a character in first person or not. It seems that I would only be able to properly interact with someone I perceive to be at the same level.

What I mean is that a chess player can never have a proper interaction with his queen on the board, that interaction is reserved for the other player. I do not want my wife to be reduced to a chess piece (yet, I feel as if in some ways both she and I already have been). I seek to allow her (and the others I care about) to continue to play.
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Me too. I'm headed out right now and will do so. Thanks again.

And, the thread links I posted just a while ago, take care of 2 things:

Expanding perception through doing something different
Making up words and sentences

Plus, I think Olaf might be my true love, LOL!!!!!!

Edit: Will answer other posts when I get back. Thanks.
 Quoting: Unit3


You may not realize what a tremendous breakthrough this could be for you.

Yes, Olaf is your true love!

When you see what you want in anything, then you've discovered something amazing.
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If I understand you correctly, wouldn't choice then, be another "flavor" of perspective like Vanilla or the color Orange? Where we are within the bottle-matrix, we find ourselves capable of making decisions. In other perspectives we function more like a table or a chair, meeting only certain functions but have a very limited (imperceptible from this view point) ability to choose? Yet here we have a rich (perceived) illusion of choice and within that ability to choose, we have the (perceived) illusion of "free will". Much in the same way the table senses the moisture of the full cup of cold water set upon it (the minor warping of the wood because of condensation) and the memory that implies. Yet we have additional technology (a self adjusting feedback loop that presupposes time and the opportunity for choice) to perceive as if we "act" upon the "memory" we're infected with. Within that is there not "free will" as illusory as it is? It's almost as if that elusive "Truth" with the capital "T" is outside anything we are ever capable of perceiving and lies outside of the illusion we are born to.

Last night I had an elaborate lucid dream which included what I perceived to be two types of "alien" one was traditionally angelic and seemed to be assisting the humans who were under attack by what I perceived to be traditionally demonic. Within the dream I had to defend a few people from what would have been collateral damage (as the two seemed more concerned about destroying each others forces than destroying or protecting my perceived environment and kin). By telekinetically throwing several husks of destroyed vehicles in the way I was able to save a few people and by that dream-sign (use of telekinesis) I became lucid. Now I had intended before sleep to find a "dream" entity and discuss the nature of reality and expanding my perspective but I chose to fly/teleport about exploring, helping and saving people. I had forgot my original intent as it was no longer relative. Is this what you mean by the "non-existense" of "free will"? Once my perspective changes so too does my intent and therefor my freewill is negated?

Thank you again.
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


I think vanilla or orange would be values in perspective, whereas 'choice' would be something outside of the reality that arises from between representations.

It seems more like part of the logical narrative than a flavour. Something that we use to make sense of how we got from point A to point B.

If I say that I got into my car and ended up in Colorado Springs a few hours later then a logical narrative would fill all the blanks of this two perspectives (for ease of illustration). Just as an object appears solid as my mind fills in the gaps to make sense of the object.

So 'free will' may be something that arises from us to make sense of our transition through perspectives.

Interesting to think about.
 Quoting: Chaol


hf

Thank you.

When I questioned "If I understand you correctly, wouldn't choice then, be another "flavor" of perspective like Vanilla or the color Orange?"... I guess I meant to ask "wouldn't choice then, be another framework for perspective, like our ability to perceive the taste of vanilla or see the color orange?"

The bolded statement answers that question perfectly. And I interpret it as a "yes".

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The top link just disappeared from the database, LOL!
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I think that my response can be summed up as, "point B is never clearly defined".
As we cannot perceive of something directly, so too would point B not be perceived directly. Thus, we cannot clearly define it.
 Quoting: Chaol

That is how I see it too. I wrote it to Unit3 using different words:

"We think that point B is in the realm of our imagination. But this realm is blurry to us. But since we live in our imagination/dreams (our subjective world, as we call it), the realm of reality also looks blurry (because we always see reality from the perspective of our dream).
So, it seems that defining point A is the hard bit."


To put it an other way, if you want to drive to Arlington you could:

1) Ask questions and provide answers consciously, perhaps by looking at a map

2) Get in the car and go somewhere specific. It doesn't matter where.
I am suggesting #2, with the important point to have a clear idea in mind about any destination. It need not be Arlington in order to get to Arlington.
 Quoting: Chaol


Nowhere in my posts suggested what one could do if he wants to be in Arlington (asking Q&As, looking at the map etc).

I wrote that we need Q&As to produce "Arlington".
After that, our job is done and the Genius will take over.

No need to talk about #1 and/or #2.

However, I honestly see the value in helping us remember that B is here with us, at point A.
Maybe asking Q&As about B will somehow reveal where A is. Where we stand "now". And then we may not need to define anything. We will just float towards it.
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I think that my response can be summed up as, "point B is never clearly defined".
As we cannot perceive of something directly, so too would point B not be perceived directly. Thus, we cannot clearly define it.
 Quoting: Chaol

That is how I see it too. I wrote it to Unit3 using different words:

"We think that point B is in the realm of our imagination. But this realm is blurry to us. But since we live in our imagination/dreams (our subjective world, as we call it), the realm of reality also looks blurry (because we always see reality from the perspective of our dream).
So, it seems that defining point A is the hard bit."


To put it an other way, if you want to drive to Arlington you could:

1) Ask questions and provide answers consciously, perhaps by looking at a map

2) Get in the car and go somewhere specific. It doesn't matter where.
I am suggesting #2, with the important point to have a clear idea in mind about any destination. It need not be Arlington in order to get to Arlington.
 Quoting: Chaol


Nowhere in my posts suggested what one could do if he wants to be in Arlington (asking Q&As, looking at the map etc).

I wrote that we need Q&As to produce "Arlington".
After that, our job is done and the Genius will take over.

No need to talk about #1 and/or #2.

However, I honestly see the value in helping us remember that B is here with us, at point A.
Maybe asking Q&As about B will somehow reveal where A is. Where we stand "now". And then we may not need to define anything. We will just float towards it.
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I find that interestingly horrifying.
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I'm trying to make sure I follow you here. I get it about wanting to include several factors in your perspective, such as family. I too am trying to include mine.

So are you saying through using your Genius, you have seen your gf becoming less relevant and had to change it?

I had one instance where the day seemed overwhelmingly strange and it included one of my family members. Fortunately, I was able to come up with something that seemed logical to her, LOL, but when I got home, I juggled my Genius. And to be honest, I don't really know if my Genius was really involved anyway.

To me, failure is giving up. And I don't really see that happening either, because we aren't going to be free of perspective......ever, as far as I can tell.

Anyway, I would love to know more about your experiences if you feel to share. My family is coming more into view right now.
 Quoting: Unit3


I seek to expand my "awareness", I am looking to perceive a richer resolution of experience in each "moment" to allow me to get "more" out of my perspective and I seek to use that to increase the "quality of life" for myself and those I care about. I've found in some of my trials, I became less tolerant or patient with the very ones I'm looking to protect/enhance. This seems to happen because as I expand my understanding I am more aware of their intent and the relationships they hold within my perspective. This (at times) leads me to dismiss their concerns as if they're trivial (yet to them they're obviously not). If I am to assist and nurture them in order to "enhance" them and "protect" them (from my perspective), I cannot dismiss their perceived concerns (as trivial as I perceive them to be).
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


Okay, so you see yourself dismissing their concerns as failure? At least you see you do that, eh? So, it's not failure, imo.
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No disagreement, but if I can explain how i connected them.

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"Externalizing the desire" to me means that i am at point A that i know of and i "want" to go to point B.

So before you say "point B", haven't you asked questions like "where i want to go, why i want to go there and how i will go there?" If you haven't answered, there is no "point B" that creates the perspective. Isn't it?

So, the whatever perspective we each currently experience comes from the whichever answers we have given to our whichever questions we asked in the first place.

Besides when you say:
"dont ask how to win the lottery, ask how you can have an abundance of money instead, for example", is it not an attempt to shifting/creating a perspective through a question? How else could you have done this to yourself or to others, other than through questions and answers?
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(The following is provided for illustration only...)

We know very little compared with our own subconscious.

When we "externalize the desire or want" we are communicating with our subconscious.

We can ask questions about Point B but it is not the questions nor the answers that get us there.

Our subconscious asks no questions nor provides any answers.

The questions are like queues for our subconscious to interpret. We can then interpret the "result".

The waking mind asks the questions and interprets what may be seen as answers.

When you say, "So, the whatever perspective we each currently experience comes from the whichever answers we have given to our whichever questions we asked in the first place." we can consider that our current perspective is not based on the questions of our waking mind.

For, "dont ask how to win the lottery, ask how you can have an abundance of money instead, for example", [I don't think this is a direct quote, but I will respond as though it was] it is not meant to be a question for the subconscious but more of a practical question about how to go about making a more effective model.

I suppose the ultimate question is really "How do I get from Point A to Point B?"

The answer is that our waking mind represents what Point B is and our Genius (subconscious) makes it more relative to our current perspective.
 Quoting: Chaol



I love illustrative examples. Thanks.

So, we are teaching our waking mind what the subconscious already knows. Since we don't know how we use the Genius, are we actually functioning only through the subconscious currently?
 Quoting: Unit3


You could also say that we are that which makes up the subconscious.

It's filled with all kinds of everything. Parts that know, parts that don't know.

We are the story of a part of it, and it is us.

The cells in your hand are asking the same questions :)

Iow, what's the difference in the waking mind that knows it wants to get to Point B, but doesn't know how it happens....as compared to the waking mind that does know how it happens.
 Quoting: Unit3


Practically-speaking...

Get to point B; waking mind does not know = 4 years, 3 months (exmaple)

Get to point B; waking mind knows how = 1 week

Get to point B; waking mind really knows and understands = a few nanoseconds


In the same way, your body "understands" things that the cells in your hand do not. It is experiencing time and space differently because of this understanding.

The understanding, however, is not a mental process. It is the relationship of values in its perspective.

Hope this helps.
 Quoting: Chaol



Quoting Chaol: "Parts that know and parts that don't know."

I see this for sure. The way I'm expanding my perspective is trying a lot of new stuff. I think the most interesting discovery I've made is how easily I consciously make things unconscious...without realizing I"m even doing so!!!!!!

When I took the walk the other day where I focused on things I didn't like, I was shocked at how easily I made sure I didn't notice those things.

Today, I looked for new life in the things I love (per your suggestion) while I walked, and was amazed again at the conscious repression into unconsciousness....and also how to retrieve from the unconsciousness by noticing..... instead of sinking something out of "view."

I listened to a car drive by and kept listening as it went down the street....and could hear it almost a block away!!!!! Just because I chose to continue listening instead of sinking the sound into unconsciousness. Pretty neat!

Thank you for the example above of waking mind and really waking mind getting to point B! Very nice. hf

The body only knows things I don't know as long as I keep my perspective that way. correct? I'm stumbling over your statement: "It is the relationship of values in its perspective." This makes it sound as if the body has a different perspective to mine.

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In my post, I believe I defined my (illusory) obstacle and you've confirmed this for me. I believe this is rooted in the fear of losing (or belief that I will render irrelevant) that which I "cherish" (my precious).
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Hope and Fear is what obstruct us from seeing clearly what is around us. Bear in mind though, that giving up Hope is much, much harder than beating Fear.

But which human would have given up Hope altogether for the sake of "seeing things clearly?" or to beat Fear?

Who would have given up "life" or "existence" in exchange for "nothing"? why?

But even if there is, how did he do it?
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I could add lemon juice and water together and drink it while standing on my left foot, every Thursday.
 Quoting: Unit3


If your space is the Sun then your symbol should rest (mostly, not all ways) in/of it.

Unless you have a spaceship I don't know about maybe an other space would work better *smile*
 Quoting: Chaol


I was talking about the sun in the body.

I could leave a nail with a red mark on it on the patio.
 Quoting: Unit3


This sun is really affecting me lately. Me brane is still cloudy :O

The sun of the body is more of an atomic thing but you can try it and see how it works.
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Awwwwww! blwkss

Well, if I drink something, it won't stay in that form for long. It would probably be better to work with sunlight instead. We'll see but thanks for exploring this possibility with me. ;o)
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Yes, a very good question which I've given a lot of thought to. My answer is programming. However, until I met you, I thought the programming is from whatever I "decide" or am taught.

Now, I am not so sure!!!
 Quoting: Unit3


If it is programming, are you capable of changing the program?

If so, could it mean that the program is being re-created now? Or is at least able to be changed now?

If so, then who or what is doing that?
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I feel like I have changed a great deal of the programming I was taught. I understand this is something I am perceiving now so yes, the program is being re-created and/or changed now.

Yes, I would like to know who is changing the programming, LOL! I would like to know who is learning to use the Genius, who has a subconscious and who is perceiving. heh!

It's still hard to see it all as nothing or as illusion. I understand I feel I exist because I perceive and that's about it. The rest, I'm waiting for a lightbulb moment.
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Who is reading this right now?

Can you imagine the endless physical, electrical, mathematical, and mechanical processes that you have control of right now because you are able to represent those complex processes?

No one is doing that but you.

You are capable of it because you inherently know how to represent anything and then work with those representations.
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Yes, I can imagine all the endless things going on right now as I read this and it's because I have control of them....even though I don't consciously know how. But how does this tell me who I am? A mind?
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AWESOME!!!!!! This is cool. Okay, so I'd also like to pick up a pen and write when I read stuff during dream time, so that I might have a better change of remembering it when awake. Hmmmmmm, so my taking notes from what we chat about here is an example of that, maybe?

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Whatever you are doing now you are doing it both worlds.

You interpret it in one way in one world, and an other way in an other world.

As you write it down in your dream you are also writing it down in your waking world (however, this would probably be translated different in your waking world. Perhaps you'd take a boat ride and have a revelation whilst looking at the sheets of waves).

Also, are you talking about the dream where 3 of us in separate locations, in a 24 hour period experienced a similar type dream? And we haven't realized the value of that accomplishment? It was one event, right?

See, I want to have that happen again and again until it's my reality!!!!
 Quoting: Unit3


There are multiple such instances.

Even one would be a world-changing feat. But it may take some time to let it sink in.
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Can write a genius or a word to help it sink in faster?
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Wow! (the bold statement)

What I'd really like to do is make the dreamtime experiences, my reality in waking time. That's why I was experimenting with symbols from dreamtime when I found your threads, and started incorporating what I'm learning here with what I was doing.

Edit: I need to clarify this. I am trying to integrate people like who are in this thread into my dreamtime and make my dreamtime my waking time. Iow, I think I'm trying to perceive the 2 worlds merged.
 Quoting: Unit3


hmm.. are you sure you're ready for a full-on merged experience?

I need several days to adjust (sometimes weeks) and I'm a 'frequent flyer'.

For someone who has no idea what it might entail, an experience that is not preceded by years of introduction and matriculation would entirely shock you.

I am here to endlessly debrief you! lol

It's so shocking that you need to translate 100% of it into something that you will accept just to experience it. (Meaning that what we call our dreams are 100% of our waking mind's re-interpretation of our dreams.)

Put it this way.. after 3 years we finally move from the basics (lesson 1) to more advanced Ecsys (lesson 1.01)

One thing that the dreamworld has plenty of is time.

Let it cook a little more
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No, I"m not sure I'm ready. But, I'm ready to move on from this perspective and I'm doing all I know to make it happen. And I mean, I'm putting a lot into it.

I don't mind taking a long trip but I'd like some REALLY good sights along the way, heh!

Okay, I'll let it cook a little more.

And I hugely appreciate your willingness as a tour guide. ;o) What is your idea of what the merger will be like? Won't it change both worlds significantly?
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So I perceive "my" world as generations that differ? And I perceive you saying that in your world hot and cold water have different tones?

It's all my perspective? And I can change it to one where "my" world is one of abundance for all, with crazy, awesome technology and abilities to travel the universe with friends?
 Quoting: Unit3


If you ever find a world with "abundance for all" please let me know where it is =)
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It's in our subconscious. Everything is here now. How could it be otherwise?
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I think acceptance is huge. When we execute a Genius, there is no way we can know all the variables that need to take place to make what we want to happen. And probably, if we did, we would never want to use one.

That's why I think it's better to make Point B as simple as possible and also make it the side issue...such as the keys to my house on the Riviera rather than a house on the Riviera.
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Unit3, forgive me but you remind me of an old joke, where somebody is having a flat tyre in the middle of nowhere, in the middle of the night and doesn't have a jack. He looks around him and sees light on the top of a nearby hill.

On his way there (to ask for a jack), he imagined potential dialogues with the housekeeper, based on his idea that he will annoy them. So after a lot of "I will tell him that and he will reply this, and then I will counter reply that and he will re-reply this", he reaches the door, he knocks it, a woman opens it and with an angry tone, points his finger at her and says:
"Fuck you and your jack!" and turns around and go.

What you say, is that if you choose to make more relative to your experience something that you already have in mind and represents what you truly want, will include a lot of variables that maybe some, or all of them will be "bad" and not make the experience "worth" it.

If, on the other hand you pick a wish that will possibly have less variables, that you can easily imagine them, will make your experience "worth it".

Therefore, it is the "controlability" of the variables that you imagine will stand between you and what you want to experience, that asks what you want to experience.

If that is the case, then you dont have to ask what you want to experience and why, ask what variables you want to experience before you experience the whatever "thing".
But it won't take you anywhere, will it?

Nevertheless, we go back to the same. If what you want to experience is already "in you" and have only to reveal it (make it relative), then the whatever "variables" that will pop up will also come from you.

With this way it is making it impossible to wish for something that you really want to experience and be of "lower value" to any of the potential variables that you meet. If it is, then it wasn't what you "really" wanted to experience. You haven't "define it" properly.

Can't blame the Genius or Ec for it, or whoever suggested it to you. What you've asked is what you get. If you are not "happy", know what you ask.

However i can see the "problem" you, Jesse, me and other face.
We think that point B is in the realm of our imagination. But this realm is blurry to us. But since we live in our imagination/dreams (our subjective world, as we call it), the realm of reality also looks blurry (because we always see reality from the perspective of our dream).

So, it seems that defining point A is the hard bit. If you know where you are, you can know where you want to go. If you dont, any point B can be equally "right" or "wrong".

But ask about A is asking what you see, whereas asking about B, is asking what you believe.

It seems to me that we have been shown the most powerful tool ever been invented by a human being and dont know what to do about it (yet).
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Interesting. Thank you and your joke about the jack cracked me up! Heh!

Maybe I can clarify what I am saying in the post above. I am saying that we can't know all the variables that take place when deciding on how to use our Genius. I don't mean to indicate not to use the Genius though. I"m saying we can't know what all will take place for Point B to come into perspective. I don't think it's possible to know what will happen.

I don't see defining Point A as the hard part either. I see defining Point B as the hard part.

I totally agree we have been shown a very powerful tool and don't know what we are doing yet. It's the most exciting thing I have ever dreamed of and beyond my wildest dreams.

Thanks for the opportunity to discuss this and looking at things from your perspective. I'm open to more! ;o)
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[snips]
@ Chaol,
once the word is created, do we have to stick with it, or can it be changed?
 Quoting: Ambra 30733622


You can change it all you like, as long as you use it properly.
 Quoting: Chaol


And by properly, you mean how we set it up to use it?

BAkegh means my experience of estatic wonder and I will use it every time I feel it? That kind of thing?
 Quoting: Unit3


Yes. Just make sure you use it just as you would any other word, not just think it.
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And do we speak this word in a sentence to others for effectiveness...or is it okay to just talk to ourselves? LOL!
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[snips]
It's interesting that you mention that, because I was pondering on the qualities of my new soon to be perceived companion, and thought something quite similar! :)
 Quoting: Ambra 30733622


Perhaps the only thing to ponder is to think of how you feel when you look into his eyes. It may sound corny, but the point is to get away from doing things that your Genius could do far better. Just give it an idea and it will take care of the rest.
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For my Genius, I put the desire is to receive flowers from my true love. I didn't put anything else but I would like someone close to my age. I didn't know how to insert that and figured it would mess things up anyway.
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I would suggest just "flowers" and then going from there.

"true love" is a very nebulous concept and I think would be quite difficult to represent.

That's not to say that you won't experience it using the Genius. I'm just suggesting you let your Genius figure out how it happens for you.
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Okay, let me tell you something interesting and see what you think. I saw your post so I went to my Genius and changed it to just flowers...I took out true love.

But, I am wondering if I need to change the Genius since I changed the original desire for it. And, I noticed 2 of those links I posted re: Olaf, have since been removed from the GLP database.

Do you think this is related to me changing my Genius? heh! And do I need to re-write the Genius since I now changed my desire to just flowers?

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You can change it all you like, as long as you use it properly.
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And by properly, you mean how we set it up to use it?

BAkegh means my experience of estatic wonder and I will use it every time I feel it? That kind of thing?
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Yes. Just make sure you use it just as you would any other word, not just think it.
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And do we speak this word in a sentence to others for effectiveness...or is it okay to just talk to ourselves? LOL!
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Do you use other words only by saying them to yourself? Or speak them to others?

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Me too. I'm headed out right now and will do so. Thanks again.

And, the thread links I posted just a while ago, take care of 2 things:

Expanding perception through doing something different
Making up words and sentences

Plus, I think Olaf might be my true love, LOL!!!!!!

Edit: Will answer other posts when I get back. Thanks.
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You may not realize what a tremendous breakthrough this could be for you.

Yes, Olaf is your true love!

When you see what you want in anything, then you've discovered something amazing.
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Thank you Chaol. I'm doing all I can to follow your suggestions. hf

Now, what I'd like to know is you said this COULD be a breakthrough for me. Is there something you would suggest for me at this point to make it a breakthrough?
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And by properly, you mean how we set it up to use it?

BAkegh means my experience of estatic wonder and I will use it every time I feel it? That kind of thing?
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Yes. Just make sure you use it just as you would any other word, not just think it.
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And do we speak this word in a sentence to others for effectiveness...or is it okay to just talk to ourselves? LOL!
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Do you use other words only by saying them to yourself? Or speak them to others?

Not-Chaol
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I was hoping I wouldn't have to appear any nuttier than I already do, LOL! I would end up having to explain why I am using made-up words. Of course, this is all interaction so I guess it's good.
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A few random thoughts regarding this thread:

I found the concept of everything arising from nothing to be initially off putting and a bit disturbing. "Nothing" has a rather negative connotation in common use. When I reconsider it to be "no-thing" it becomes much more palatable.

In a similar vain, I find the concept of all of what we experience to be an "illusion" to be rather negative as well, much as though you had said it was a "counterfit" experience. You could say that what we experience is an idea, and that would be more positive or you could say it is an "expression" and neither of these would carry the negative baggage that illusion does.

It would seem that the idea of the "genius" or subconcious equates to "God", yes?

By knowing God, we are promised a qualitative change in our experience which is to say we gain "joy" or the "peace that passeth understanding" what Chaol is describing is a way to gain more of the same experience more quickly with no commensurate qualitative change which seems a bit hollow.

I am not meaning to be completely critical, I keep coming back to this thread because it is the most fascinating one on GLP!

Cheers, and Happy New Year!
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This is a video of a dog riding a dolphin. As you know, I want to swim with whales and dolphins, so I can't resist. Hope someone enjoys this and I can't embed it. ;o)


[link to www.ine-pps.nl]
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A few random thoughts regarding this thread:

I found the concept of everything arising from nothing to be initially off putting and a bit disturbing. "Nothing" has a rather negative connotation in common use. When I reconsider it to be "no-thing" it becomes much more palatable.

In a similar vain, I find the concept of all of what we experience to be an "illusion" to be rather negative as well, much as though you had said it was a "counterfit" experience. You could say that what we experience is an idea, and that would be more positive or you could say it is an "expression" and neither of these would carry the negative baggage that illusion does.

It would seem that the idea of the "genius" or subconcious equates to "God", yes?

By knowing God, we are promised a qualitative change in our experience which is to say we gain "joy" or the "peace that passeth understanding" what Chaol is describing is a way to gain more of the same experience more quickly with no commensurate qualitative change which seems a bit hollow.

I am not meaning to be completely critical, I keep coming back to this thread because it is the most fascinating one on GLP!

Cheers, and Happy New Year!
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Hi! Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

I can see how this might seem hollow but I really think it's the opposite. I believe I'm getting closer to knowing and realizing my true self.

This differs from the concept of enlightenment because that is more of a separation of mind and body. This is a realization of all of it.

Come back any time!

Happy Holidays!
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Just a note to extend a warm Happy Christmas message to all of us here on this thread =D

and best new year 2013!
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Thank you and to you (we) as well :)

What an amazing thread this is. Thank you all. And more more MORE...

<3
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Woo hoo! I'm already in love......with this beautiful thread!

hf
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Woo hoo! I'm already in love......with this beautiful thread!

hf
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Me too!

hf
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Woo hoo! I'm already in love......with this beautiful thread!

hf
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Me too!

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It's contagious!

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Here's an article:

"The Gallant Lab at UC Berkeley used functional magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI) to measure the brain activation of 5 individuals as they watched hours and hours of movie clips. In every movie clip, objects and actions were labeled. The researchers then used a variety of analysis tools to create some pretty incredible visualizations of shared "semantic space."

And there is a link to the website in the article, where they have interactive, 3D brain maps. (I haven't got to play with them yet. Olaf is keeping me busy, heh!)

[link to bigthink.com]
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About doing something one normally wouldn't do: I (male, 44 years old) took up stitching today. ;)
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hey chaol,

or if anyone could help.
it would be greatly appreciated.

How do I prevent myself from perceiving violence and harm and threats?

I want to live in a utopian world, with peace, prosperity, and happiness; however somehow, negativity and crappy things/harmful things keep coming into my perception, as I perceive what other cruel Humans are doing.

please give me advice and suggestions as to how to remove ALL negativity from my perception.

thank you truly, from my heart.

best
regards

and thanks for giving a helping hand to your fellow Humans. As I am sure all appreciate it, as well as myself.


keep up the good work!

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