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Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

 
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AWESOME!!!!!! This is cool. Okay, so I'd also like to pick up a pen and write when I read stuff during dream time, so that I might have a better change of remembering it when awake. Hmmmmmm, so my taking notes from what we chat about here is an example of that, maybe?

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Whatever you are doing now you are doing it both worlds.

You interpret it in one way in one world, and an other way in an other world.

As you write it down in your dream you are also writing it down in your waking world (however, this would probably be translated different in your waking world. Perhaps you'd take a boat ride and have a revelation whilst looking at the sheets of waves).

Also, are you talking about the dream where 3 of us in separate locations, in a 24 hour period experienced a similar type dream? And we haven't realized the value of that accomplishment? It was one event, right?

See, I want to have that happen again and again until it's my reality!!!!
 Quoting: Unit3


There are multiple such instances.

Even one would be a world-changing feat. But it may take some time to let it sink in.
 Quoting: Chaol



Can write a genius or a word to help it sink in faster?
 Quoting: Unit3


Sure. Come up with a word with a meaning of "shared dreaming" and use it.
 Quoting: Chaol


And the sentence I use it in does not have to extend the meaning of the word? Correct?

I chose LatKet for my word but I could say, Hey look, it's LatKet outside.

And, are the words around the made up word considered interaction? Iow, is this a condensed Genius so to speak?
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So I perceive "my" world as generations that differ? And I perceive you saying that in your world hot and cold water have different tones?

It's all my perspective? And I can change it to one where "my" world is one of abundance for all, with crazy, awesome technology and abilities to travel the universe with friends?
 Quoting: Unit3


If you ever find a world with "abundance for all" please let me know where it is =)
 Quoting: Chaol


It's in our subconscious. Everything is here now. How could it be otherwise?
 Quoting: Unit3


heh.. yep. Got me on that one.
 Quoting: Chaol




Heh! I can't even guess how many times you've straightened me out! afro
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Strange times. Be safe peeps.
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Care to elaborate? Also, if you want to share the title to the book you're reading, I'd love to know more about it too.
;o)
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Strange times. Be safe peeps.
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Care to elaborate? Also, if you want to share the title to the book you're reading, I'd love to know more about it too.
;o)
 Quoting: Unit3


Not too much to elaborate on, I've got a "pending change" feeling. This sense that something significant is underway. Could just be the weather, finally got some snow here in Detroit.

Book? Oh that ol' thing? It's "Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking."
Consider the possibility that you order yourself into being from chaos... You do this, always, in all ways. This "ordering" has resulted in the possibilities you're experiencing, here, now. In each experience you've ever had, more and more of "this" reality is generated logically from your previous experience. Your observation of this unfolding of order and chaos is reality.
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Strange times. Be safe peeps.
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda




Care to elaborate? Also, if you want to share the title to the book you're reading, I'd love to know more about it too.
;o)
 Quoting: Unit3


Not too much to elaborate on, I've got a "pending change" feeling. This sense that something significant is underway. Could just be the weather, finally got some snow here in Detroit.

Book? Oh that ol' thing? It's "Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking."
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That's a great book! Highly recommend it. 5 stars ;)
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I think acceptance is huge. When we execute a Genius, there is no way we can know all the variables that need to take place to make what we want to happen. And probably, if we did, we would never want to use one.
 Quoting: Unit3


Maybe I can clarify what I am saying in the post above.
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Unit3, please accept my apologies for making you feel misunderstood, especially when my intention was the exact opposite.

I put the word "probably" from your quote in bold to depict that you had already decided that if you "knew all the variables that needed to take place to make what you want to happen", you wouldn't have made that "particular" wish. Not the Genius in general.

And for that, I tried to show (from my perspective of course) that thinking about the variables (whose number will make you decide to go for this or the other wish), or how you expect the genius to do its job, is exactly what we are not supposed to do. All we have to think of, is the "what" and "why". The "how" leave it to the genius.

But we all must know how to ask "what" and "why" from our previous wishes. What is so special about the genius, that we seem to have a problem with it now (defining point B, that is)?

(That's why I said "we don't know what to do about it").

Your remark is not only legitimate, is common to everyone of us (read Jesse's fear of not losing his precious).

Since I failed to tell what i saw in what you wrote, I will leave it there and maybe come back from another path.

I will try to amuse you though, with another old joke that sometimes reminds me of Chaol.

patient: Doctor, every time I drink tea, I have an ache in my right eye.
Doc: Next time, take out the teaspoon from the mug.
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Whatever you are doing now you are doing it both worlds.

You interpret it in one way in one world, and an other way in an other world.

As you write it down in your dream you are also writing it down in your waking world (however, this would probably be translated different in your waking world. Perhaps you'd take a boat ride and have a revelation whilst looking at the sheets of waves).

...


There are multiple such instances.

Even one would be a world-changing feat. But it may take some time to let it sink in.
 Quoting: Chaol



Can write a genius or a word to help it sink in faster?
 Quoting: Unit3


Sure. Come up with a word with a meaning of "shared dreaming" and use it.
 Quoting: Chaol


And the sentence I use it in does not have to extend the meaning of the word? Correct?

I chose LatKet for my word but I could say, Hey look, it's LatKet outside.

And, are the words around the made up word considered interaction? Iow, is this a condensed Genius so to speak?
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Whatever you are doing now you are doing it both worlds.

You interpret it in one way in one world, and an other way in an other world.

As you write it down in your dream you are also writing it down in your waking world (however, this would probably be translated different in your waking world. Perhaps you'd take a boat ride and have a revelation whilst looking at the sheets of waves).

...


There are multiple such instances.

Even one would be a world-changing feat. But it may take some time to let it sink in.
 Quoting: Chaol



Can write a genius or a word to help it sink in faster?
 Quoting: Unit3


Sure. Come up with a word with a meaning of "shared dreaming" and use it.
 Quoting: Chaol


And the sentence I use it in does not have to extend the meaning of the word? Correct?

I chose LatKet for my word but I could say, Hey look, it's LatKet outside.

And, are the words around the made up word considered interaction? Iow, is this a condensed Genius so to speak?
 Quoting: Unit3


Unit. Use the word in context. it's no different than pretending that the word "cat" is an accurate representation for the furry little animate creature, or that the thing you drive in is actually a "car".

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Strange times. Be safe peeps.
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda




Care to elaborate? Also, if you want to share the title to the book you're reading, I'd love to know more about it too.
;o)
 Quoting: Unit3


Not too much to elaborate on, I've got a "pending change" feeling. This sense that something significant is underway. Could just be the weather, finally got some snow here in Detroit.

Book? Oh that ol' thing? It's "Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking."
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


I can't put that book down either. ;o)

Well it was interesting that you felt this and posted about it too. I was feeling the same thing for my area. We have been in a drought for quite a while. If we don't get rain and have our usual summer, it ain't gonna be good.
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I think acceptance is huge. When we execute a Genius, there is no way we can know all the variables that need to take place to make what we want to happen. And probably, if we did, we would never want to use one.
 Quoting: Unit3


Maybe I can clarify what I am saying in the post above.
 Quoting: Unit3


Unit3, please accept my apologies for making you feel misunderstood, especially when my intention was the exact opposite.

I put the word "probably" from your quote in bold to depict that you had already decided that if you "knew all the variables that needed to take place to make what you want to happen", you wouldn't have made that "particular" wish. Not the Genius in general.

And for that, I tried to show (from my perspective of course) that thinking about the variables (whose number will make you decide to go for this or the other wish), or how you expect the genius to do its job, is exactly what we are not supposed to do. All we have to think of, is the "what" and "why". The "how" leave it to the genius.

But we all must know how to ask "what" and "why" from our previous wishes. What is so special about the genius, that we seem to have a problem with it now (defining point B, that is)?

(That's why I said "we don't know what to do about it").

Your remark is not only legitimate, is common to everyone of us (read Jesse's fear of not losing his precious).

Since I failed to tell what i saw in what you wrote, I will leave it there and maybe come back from another path.

I will try to amuse you though, with another old joke that sometimes reminds me of Chaol.

patient: Doctor, every time I drink tea, I have an ache in my right eye.
Doc: Next time, take out the teaspoon from the mug.
 Quoting: panoukos



I'm so glad you are willing to keep communication between us. Thank you and of course, apologies accepted. I offer mine if I still don't quite catch on to your perspective.

I certainly agree that all we need to deal with is the "what" and "why" of the Genius. I'm also saying the variables are impossible for us to determine. So, letting the Genius do its job is easy, at least for me, because I realize this. After all, we are probably talking about trillions of interactions.

I completely understand Jesse's fear. I have lost my husband over my new perspective but I can't do anything about it. I won't go back and he won't come along. If he changes his mind, that's fine with me. But, I seriously doubt it will happen. He does not want to communicate any more. I've often said, life is messy!

I like your joke but I don't get it in regards to Chaol, heh!

Thanks again. It's nice getting to know you.
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Can write a genius or a word to help it sink in faster?
 Quoting: Unit3


Sure. Come up with a word with a meaning of "shared dreaming" and use it.
 Quoting: Chaol


And the sentence I use it in does not have to extend the meaning of the word? Correct?

I chose LatKet for my word but I could say, Hey look, it's LatKet outside.

And, are the words around the made up word considered interaction? Iow, is this a condensed Genius so to speak?
 Quoting: Unit3


Unit. Use the word in context. it's no different than pretending that the word "cat" is an accurate representation for the furry little animate creature, or that the thing you drive in is actually a "car".

Not-Chaol
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To me, you just described that it doesn't need to be used in context! blink
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Sure. Come up with a word with a meaning of "shared dreaming" and use it.
 Quoting: Chaol


And the sentence I use it in does not have to extend the meaning of the word? Correct?

I chose LatKet for my word but I could say, Hey look, it's LatKet outside.

And, are the words around the made up word considered interaction? Iow, is this a condensed Genius so to speak?
 Quoting: Unit3


Unit. Use the word in context. it's no different than pretending that the word "cat" is an accurate representation for the furry little animate creature, or that the thing you drive in is actually a "car".

Not-Chaol
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To me, you just described that it doesn't need to be used in context! blink
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Then I did not do a very good job explaining. When you are referring to the thing you call a "cat" you are using it in context. You don't call it a couch, stap, or a stronk. It is not in fact a "cat". The word "cat" is a representation for what that thing is which is far too complex to possibly comprehend in full.

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For my Genius, I put the desire is to receive flowers from my true love. I didn't put anything else but I would like someone close to my age. I didn't know how to insert that and figured it would mess things up anyway.
 Quoting: Unit3


I would suggest just "flowers" and then going from there.

"true love" is a very nebulous concept and I think would be quite difficult to represent.

That's not to say that you won't experience it using the Genius. I'm just suggesting you let your Genius figure out how it happens for you.
 Quoting: Chaol




Okay, let me tell you something interesting and see what you think. I saw your post so I went to my Genius and changed it to just flowers...I took out true love.

But, I am wondering if I need to change the Genius since I changed the original desire for it. And, I noticed 2 of those links I posted re: Olaf, have since been removed from the GLP database.

Do you think this is related to me changing my Genius? heh! And do I need to re-write the Genius since I now changed my desire to just flowers?

Thanks
 Quoting: Unit3


As a rule of thumb, any time your symbol is changed you should also change the other elements (in order of change-necessity): Logic, Interaction, Potential Energy

Meaning that if you change your symbol changing the Potential Energy is less important than changing the Logic.

If your intent changes then I would suggest you start over with new elements. They need not be drastically different. Perhaps a slight change is enough (provided you have not used it that much).
 Quoting: Chaol


Okay, well starting 10/18/12, I started doing things such as reading about romantic beach getaways, subscribing to travel agencies and things like that.

Some time after that, I learned how to make a Genius. I know for sure I had my Genius by Nov. 17 because I connected it to the Nov. 17 nexus. I worked it that day (a lot) plus I have worked it weekly since I made it.

Then, a couple of days ago I changed it from "flowers from true love" to "receive flowers." What do you suggest I do now?

Here's the Genius if you want to look at it, (scroll down a bit). It might give you a better idea because I mark it under certain conditions:

[link to perceptionmap.blogspot.com]

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One other thing. It is probably not healthy to use the Genius out of fear and desperation. You would be adding "fear" and "desperation" to the equation, which would most likely scew the results against you. I think that, basically, you ask yourself, "What do I want?"

What is your dream?

However it is that you get around in your dreams, is how it works in reality. From what I've figured out, they're all dreams.
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The Genius can see beyond those surface emotions.

It is smarter than we think it is ;)

It knows your true emotions.

Because is the very similar to how your reality works.

YOU are the Genius. It is just a pile of dung without this integral relationship.
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I thought I'd post this for review. It never hurts to go over this stuff over and over again. At least, that's how I learn.
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And the sentence I use it in does not have to extend the meaning of the word? Correct?

I chose LatKet for my word but I could say, Hey look, it's LatKet outside.

And, are the words around the made up word considered interaction? Iow, is this a condensed Genius so to speak?
 Quoting: Unit3


Unit. Use the word in context. it's no different than pretending that the word "cat" is an accurate representation for the furry little animate creature, or that the thing you drive in is actually a "car".

Not-Chaol
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To me, you just described that it doesn't need to be used in context! blink
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Then I did not do a very good job explaining. When you are referring to the thing you call a "cat" you are using it in context. You don't call it a couch, stap, or a stronk. It is not in fact a "cat". The word "cat" is a representation for what that thing is which is far too complex to possibly comprehend in full.

Not-Chaol
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Got it now! Thanks. This could get complicated since I have 2 words I'm wanting to use. yeahsure
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A few random thoughts regarding this thread:

I found the concept of everything arising from nothing to be initially off putting and a bit disturbing. "Nothing" has a rather negative connotation in common use. When I reconsider it to be "no-thing" it becomes much more palatable.

In a similar vain, I find the concept of all of what we experience to be an "illusion" to be rather negative as well, much as though you had said it was a "counterfit" experience. You could say that what we experience is an idea, and that would be more positive or you could say it is an "expression" and neither of these would carry the negative baggage that illusion does.

It would seem that the idea of the "genius" or subconcious equates to "God", yes?

By knowing God, we are promised a qualitative change in our experience which is to say we gain "joy" or the "peace that passeth understanding" what Chaol is describing is a way to gain more of the same experience more quickly with no commensurate qualitative change which seems a bit hollow.

I am not meaning to be completely critical, I keep coming back to this thread because it is the most fascinating one on GLP!

Cheers, and Happy New Year!
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Earlier in this thread I've used nothing-in-particular, which is probably more accurate.

It is not my goal to use language that is seen as positive. (I can't say I know much about what that might be, anyway.) But I also don't want to write too much (haha.. somewhat kidding) so I say "nothing" for short.

However, to say it is an expression or an idea would not convey what I am trying to express.

I think "composite" would be more accurate, though I don't want to use too many terms that seem technical. I try to write for everyone and no-one-in-particular.

Genius would not equate to a more political or cultural (?) term like 'god'. The word carries too much weight and many implications.

I experience joy in my life to be sure, but I do not write about "joy" or the "peace that passeth understanding". We are free to choose how to interpret our own experience (thanks, Jesse!). To me, a nice cold pizza is a joyful experience but perhaps others are looking for something more substantial.

So I prefer to discuss tools that can be used for anything-at-all. You can decide what to do with it.

(I don't mind any criticality. I look forward to it, actually.)

Here's to an exciting 2013!
 Quoting: Chaol


Cheers Chaol. (thank you for the thank you and for "coincidentally" being listed in Malaysia for your post, as my wife's family is "from Malaysia")

Somehow your thread retains it's excitement and I find myself constantly checking it (whenever I have the spare time) as if I am reading a book I cannot put down but I am waiting for the next page to be written. I've been experiencing meditation and my dreams in much the same way. On the flip-side, I Work an 8:00 am to 4:30 pm day job as a customer service representative for a health insurance company (I see the job as fairly Ironic) and I've done it for over 10 years now. I look forward (lol I know (intellectually) looking forward is a waste(hope), but I just can't seem to shed what I perceive to be the foundation of my physical wealth and stability) to the day that I can put my "day job" behind me and move on to a career that will feel much like experiencing the unfolding of this thread, my dreams, personal life and meditation.

Here's to an exciting 2013, indeed.
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


For once, I can safely say that 'Malaysia' was entirely coincidental :)

About your work.. just keep in mind that there are two ways to think of money. As a real object that you need to trade for your time (like a factory worker), and as an abstract concept that is unlocked with ideas (like an author).
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<<So, it seems that defining point A is the hard bit.>>

Indeed, though it may be difficult to understand that for most of us.

But "point B" is a value in the now and here. (And our perspective of point B will be different when we get there.)

Defining point A or B is impossible because of the nature of perspective. We have only to define something and work with it as though it was either.

So, that's why I say the questions and answers are irrelevant. They need not be relevant to be useful.

 Quoting: Chaol


Lightbulb went on! Both perspectives are here, right now. We just label them. We work with symbols to change perspective so we can experience something else.
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You've got it!
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A few random thoughts regarding this thread:

I found the concept of everything arising from nothing to be initially off putting and a bit disturbing. "Nothing" has a rather negative connotation in common use. When I reconsider it to be "no-thing" it becomes much more palatable.

In a similar vain, I find the concept of all of what we experience to be an "illusion" to be rather negative as well, much as though you had said it was a "counterfit" experience. You could say that what we experience is an idea, and that would be more positive or you could say it is an "expression" and neither of these would carry the negative baggage that illusion does.

It would seem that the idea of the "genius" or subconcious equates to "God", yes?

By knowing God, we are promised a qualitative change in our experience which is to say we gain "joy" or the "peace that passeth understanding" what Chaol is describing is a way to gain more of the same experience more quickly with no commensurate qualitative change which seems a bit hollow.

I am not meaning to be completely critical, I keep coming back to this thread because it is the most fascinating one on GLP!

Cheers, and Happy New Year!
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Earlier in this thread I've used nothing-in-particular, which is probably more accurate.

It is not my goal to use language that is seen as positive. (I can't say I know much about what that might be, anyway.) But I also don't want to write too much (haha.. somewhat kidding) so I say "nothing" for short.

However, to say it is an expression or an idea would not convey what I am trying to express.

I think "composite" would be more accurate, though I don't want to use too many terms that seem technical. I try to write for everyone and no-one-in-particular.

Genius would not equate to a more political or cultural (?) term like 'god'. The word carries too much weight and many implications.

I experience joy in my life to be sure, but I do not write about "joy" or the "peace that passeth understanding". We are free to choose how to interpret our own experience (thanks, Jesse!). To me, a nice cold pizza is a joyful experience but perhaps others are looking for something more substantial.

So I prefer to discuss tools that can be used for anything-at-all. You can decide what to do with it.

(I don't mind any criticality. I look forward to it, actually.)

Here's to an exciting 2013!
 Quoting: Chaol


Cheers Chaol. (thank you for the thank you and for "coincidentally" being listed in Malaysia for your post, as my wife's family is "from Malaysia")

Somehow your thread retains it's excitement and I find myself constantly checking it (whenever I have the spare time) as if I am reading a book I cannot put down but I am waiting for the next page to be written. I've been experiencing meditation and my dreams in much the same way. On the flip-side, I Work an 8:00 am to 4:30 pm day job as a customer service representative for a health insurance company (I see the job as fairly Ironic) and I've done it for over 10 years now. I look forward (lol I know (intellectually) looking forward is a waste(hope), but I just can't seem to shed what I perceive to be the foundation of my physical wealth and stability) to the day that I can put my "day job" behind me and move on to a career that will feel much like experiencing the unfolding of this thread, my dreams, personal life and meditation.

Here's to an exciting 2013, indeed.
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


For once, I can safely say that 'Malaysia' was entirely coincidental :)

About your work.. just keep in mind that there are two ways to think of money. As a real object that you need to trade for your time (like a factory worker), and as an abstract concept that is unlocked with ideas (like an author).
 Quoting: Chaol


Thank you.
Consider the possibility that you order yourself into being from chaos... You do this, always, in all ways. This "ordering" has resulted in the possibilities you're experiencing, here, now. In each experience you've ever had, more and more of "this" reality is generated logically from your previous experience. Your observation of this unfolding of order and chaos is reality.
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Chaol,

Can we please move on to some advanced uses of genius, ecsys, visualization, etc. Thank you.

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Certainly.

What do you think the next sub-topic of discussion should be about, specifically?

For my next magic trick I will try to pull the Chaol out of not-Chaol. So that we can see how we are each within one-another, starting with not-Chaol.
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I would like to understand how to use visualization to play golf shots that result in a desired outcome. You mentioned that when you use your version of visualization the outcome is more or less guaranteed. I think that using this example could be easily transferred over for similar experiences by the other forum participants. Thanks.

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Look around you. How are you perceiving what you are?

Is that not also guaranteed? Is it not real?

The first question would be, "Where do my perceptions come from?". Something we've all ready covered.

The more practical question would then be, "How do we perceive whatever we want to perceive?"

That is a loaded question, but I would only suggest that "want" is irrelevant. We do not perceive what we want to perceive. As the Genius holds, we perceive.. that which is (blah blah.. you get the idea)

[The remainder of this post will do without quotation marks. What I am illustrating is approximate.]

For me, I create representations of what I want. If I wanted a vanilla ice cream cone then I would create an equation, in Ec, that for me represents the environment around what I want. Vanilla ice cream cone would be the missing element and it would be experienced in my perspective. (It does not magically appear in my hand but it could easily appear in the drawer next to me, cold as ice. My brain would then make up a story as to how it's logical. We do this all the time and everything makes perfect sense. Perhaps you've experienced this while dreaming.)

My brain would fill in the blanks of what is missing.

...because my brain has learned to see Ec representations the same as the real thing.

You can use Ec or something else. You need only represent. It is the same as the entire universe is doing right now. And you have the ability to do it also with just your mind. (Or anything else you want to use.)

So you simply have to find a way to make your brain see the representation as the real thing. Are you looking at words now? Are you even looking at letters? When you talk on the phone are you hearing that person's voice? When you look at something are you seeing it directly or your brain's interpretation of it? Representations, all. Your brain sees these as real because it has learned how to work with them. It knows nothing else.

So what I am doing is first jumping off of a building and then creating a framework for perception that my brain, by necessity, has to adhere to. It is exactly how you push yourself into the next moment.

How often do you see glitches in the matrix? If your brain would allow, you would see them all the time. But you are able to walk on the street even though it has just experienced a quantum fluctuation and did not exist for the past 20 minutes because your brain saw a gap and filled it.

It sees gaps in whatever you're looking at and fills those too. It sees gaps in your experience and fills it, without your conscious mind knowing about it.

The reality is not about the physical things. Those are not real. They are simply values in perspective, like anything else.

By creating representations you are not fooling your mind or anything because it is how reality is created. [I'm still doing without quotation marks here.] Everything is a representation. Should I jump off of a 20-story building I do not fool my brain into thinking that it is only 4 feet tall any more than it fools me into thinking that the building was there in the first place! Again, representations all. We work with nothing more or less than representations.

When you create a representation for your dream house your representation is as real as the house. The house itself is an other representation.

You already work with representations to create your reality and perceive whatever it is that you perceive.

In a way building your life is like building your vocabulary.

Tweaking your life to fit your desires is like improving your grammar.

And learning how reality works is like learning a new language.

By the time you're 20 years old you have all ready learned thousands (perhaps millions) of languages. Some are more fundamental than others. But all are collections of representations that are manipulated so that you can interact with additional representations, ad infinitum.

Why does customer mean something specific to you but usectmro does not? It could very well have been that usectmro was what you used, instead. They're both meaningless representations. The difference is that you have given meaning to one and not the other.

In a similar way, why would accidentally cutting your finger with a knife mean something to you but wrapping your arm with giftstead does not? They're both meaningless.

And you work with meaning (values) to create your reality.

But, unfortunately, I am unable to properly respond to your query about visualization. I don't really know what your meaning entails. However, it seems to be missing the remainder of experience.

In your experience now is so much more than the visual aspect. One kind of sense is no more valid than any other. We place a lot of emphasis on what we see but of course we need more than that to create a complete picture of experience.

But, again, I am not too sure of what your definition of visualization is.
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Lightbulb! Everything is alive and I spend infinity experiencing it from infinite perspectives. Thank you, Chaol.

This beautiful conversation published here.
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You've done it again!

That's an other way of putting it.
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Awwwwww! blwkss

Well, if I drink something, it won't stay in that form for long. It would probably be better to work with sunlight instead. We'll see but thanks for exploring this possibility with me. ;o)
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Indeed, far easier to work with sunlight.

We don't play with it enough, I suppose.
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I've been trying to think how to use sunlight. It's hard to define the space with it.

I guess the sunlight space could be used for accessing dream reality? So I can read from the sphinx library?
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It could be as simple as a cup that fills with sunlight.

You don't need the sun-as-you-know-it to access your dream reality. (Thought there are different levels of "sun" and what it represents.)

The sphinx library is tricky. There are no real books. They're more like portals you can use to read yourself.

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Whatever you are doing now you are doing it both worlds.

You interpret it in one way in one world, and an other way in an other world.

As you write it down in your dream you are also writing it down in your waking world (however, this would probably be translated different in your waking world. Perhaps you'd take a boat ride and have a revelation whilst looking at the sheets of waves).

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There are multiple such instances.

Even one would be a world-changing feat. But it may take some time to let it sink in.
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Can write a genius or a word to help it sink in faster?
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Sure. Come up with a word with a meaning of "shared dreaming" and use it.
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And the sentence I use it in does not have to extend the meaning of the word? Correct?

I chose LatKet for my word but I could say, Hey look, it's LatKet outside.

And, are the words around the made up word considered interaction? Iow, is this a condensed Genius so to speak?
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Perhaps it's better to make it a word like any other. For example, "latket".

Yes saying, "Hey look, it's LatKet outside." would integrate the representation further into your reality.

The words around it are interaction, yes :) clever...

And, yes, it is the Genius at work. (So is speaking English or any other language. All using the elements in the same way.)
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Okay, well starting 10/18/12, I started doing things such as reading about romantic beach getaways, subscribing to travel agencies and things like that.

Some time after that, I learned how to make a Genius. I know for sure I had my Genius by Nov. 17 because I connected it to the Nov. 17 nexus. I worked it that day (a lot) plus I have worked it weekly since I made it.

Then, a couple of days ago I changed it from "flowers from true love" to "receive flowers." What do you suggest I do now?

Here's the Genius if you want to look at it, (scroll down a bit). It might give you a better idea because I mark it under certain conditions:

[link to perceptionmap.blogspot.com]
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Curious.. is your symbol something unique that you've created specifically for this purpose?

Also, keep in mind that it is your symbol that interacts.

Additionally, this may be used if you wanted to receive flowers from someone on this website (provided your other elements were ok, per above).
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Unit. Use the word in context. it's no different than pretending that the word "cat" is an accurate representation for the furry little animate creature, or that the thing you drive in is actually a "car".

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To me, you just described that it doesn't need to be used in context! blink
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Then I did not do a very good job explaining. When you are referring to the thing you call a "cat" you are using it in context. You don't call it a couch, stap, or a stronk. It is not in fact a "cat". The word "cat" is a representation for what that thing is which is far too complex to possibly comprehend in full.

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Got it now! Thanks. This could get complicated since I have 2 words I'm wanting to use. yeahsure
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The number of words is not a problem, as long as you don't confuse them.
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I would like to understand how to use visualization to play golf shots that result in a desired outcome. You mentioned that when you use your version of visualization the outcome is more or less guaranteed. I think that using this example could be easily transferred over for similar experiences by the other forum participants. Thanks.

Not-Chaol
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Following on...

Why might you hear a sound but someone else does not hear it?

Why might a black box on the floor appear as a laptop to you but a black object to a newborn baby?

Our perceptions 'act' in accordance with the value we have given them.

The aspects of our reality interact with us the same as we interact with them.

If you see a black box, it will function as a black box in your reality (until your new perspective).

If you see a laptop, it will function as a laptop in your reality (until your new perspective).

You can use either.

Take what you perceive all ready and interact with it differently for a different perception.

We can wish for something that materializes in our wishes.

Or we can see what we wish for as all ready existing in our reality.

Consider this...

The concept of 'laptop' was invented by your perspective.

You learned to see it in what was all ready there.

So, where is your PGA tour in your current perspective?
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[snips]

When you create a representation for your dream house your representation is as real as the house. The house itself is an other representation.
[snips]
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to clarify the above, the Genius model you create for your dream house is a representation.

However, the house that you (will) walk in, live in, and use is also a representation.

They are both as real as it gets. Your mind does not treat them differently, because they are both representations.

The question is only, "How do I interact with my representations", that creates the reality that we know.
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Strange times. Be safe peeps.
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Care to elaborate? Also, if you want to share the title to the book you're reading, I'd love to know more about it too.
;o)
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Not too much to elaborate on, I've got a "pending change" feeling. This sense that something significant is underway. Could just be the weather, finally got some snow here in Detroit.

Book? Oh that ol' thing? It's "Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking."
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I can't put that book down either. ;o)

Well it was interesting that you felt this and posted about it too. I was feeling the same thing for my area. We have been in a drought for quite a while. If we don't get rain and have our usual summer, it ain't gonna be good.
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In Hindsight, that "something significant is underway" seems to include a pattern of relationships that provided the experience of a (relatively) epic fight (within perspective) to sustain the relevance of my "precious".

She and I have been through quite an adventure together. A large reason why I began to look into "expanding my awareness" was to better understand the meaning in what would otherwise be "chaos". Sometimes, from my perspective, I feel as if I am restructuring my reality to compensate for my desires. A little sacrifice here, a little forgiveness there... My wife and I have "been together" since I was 16, we're high-school sweethearts.

All of our "friends" struggle to find someone with that "something" they require to make them "feel" whole... I've had it for almost half of my 31 years, I know "nothing else". There were times when I didn't put forth the energy to fend off the entropy of stagnation and I lost my grip on her. Now, I recognize the entropic patterns as they're unraveling before me and in noticing them, it sometimes feels like I am enabling them to thrive.

Last night, I had a dream where I was on a train with my wife. There were three tracks running parallel and a train running along with ours on both sides. A bridge collapsed in the distance and it had funky physics in the way it fell (kind of slow-mo). I became lucid at that point, flew from the train and "attempted" to stop the trains (especially the one that contained my wife) from hitting the bridge. By the time I turned around to see how close the train had gotten, they had already hit. My wife was barely injured but grateful that I was able to pull her from the rubble. I decided (within the dream) to wake up (as the excitement of the experience had me buzzing with satisfaction).

I find it interesting and (sadly) predictable that the more I focus on "keeping" my precious, the more my "genius" provides me scenarios where I have to defend my right to "keep" it.
Consider the possibility that you order yourself into being from chaos... You do this, always, in all ways. This "ordering" has resulted in the possibilities you're experiencing, here, now. In each experience you've ever had, more and more of "this" reality is generated logically from your previous experience. Your observation of this unfolding of order and chaos is reality.
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I would like to understand how to use visualization to play golf shots that result in a desired outcome. You mentioned that when you use your version of visualization the outcome is more or less guaranteed. I think that using this example could be easily transferred over for similar experiences by the other forum participants. Thanks.
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Following on...
Why might you hear a sound but someone else does not hear it?
Why might a black box on the floor appear as a laptop to you but a black object to a newborn baby?
Our perceptions 'act' in accordance with the value we have given them.
The aspects of our reality interact with us the same as we interact with them.
If you see a black box, it will function as a black box in your reality (until your new perspective).
If you see a laptop, it will function as a laptop in your reality (until your new perspective).
You can use either.
Take what you perceive all ready and interact with it differently for a different perception.
We can wish for something that materializes in our wishes.
Or we can see what we wish for as all ready existing in our reality.
Consider this...
The concept of 'laptop' was invented by your perspective.
You learned to see it in what was all ready there.
So, where is your PGA tour in your current perspective?
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thank you for both responses Chaol. I'm now representing myself as one that is clever enough to use this information to perceive what is already there. I think I see how we create the reality, and I can also understand why I have experienced so much peace in the moments of perception before assignment of value occurs in the conscious mind.
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[snips]

I find it interesting and (sadly) predictable that the more I focus on "keeping" my precious, the more my "genius" provides me scenarios where I have to defend my right to "keep" it.
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I would not say that this is a test.

It seems more like resistance at work.

Do you see the two of you as different people, or the same person?

If I may ask (apologies), if she disappeared tomorrow where would that leave you?
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[snips]

I find it interesting and (sadly) predictable that the more I focus on "keeping" my precious, the more my "genius" provides me scenarios where I have to defend my right to "keep" it.
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


I would not say that this is a test.

It seems more like resistance at work.

Do you see the two of you as different people, or the same person?

If I may ask (apologies), if she disappeared tomorrow where would that leave you?
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No apologies needed. I agree with you, that's why I feel it's so "(sadly) predictable". I do not see us as the same "person" but I do see her as a (primary) component of myself. If she were to disappear "tomorrow" (which I almost dread noting as I believe this is a logical possibility) I would (predictably) experience it to be a tremendous "loss". She's my "best friend", my "companion" and my "love". She's my "inspiration" and my "challenge". I would "survive", of course, and the voids created by her absence ("sudden" irrelevance) would create vacuums sucking into my experience frame a new representation for perspective to fill the voids.

In short, I imagine an experience like that would leave "me" filled with "regret". I'd most likely (start) by seeking to transition into a perspective where the symbol (I "wish"(fool myself into believing") her to be) is represented and still relative.

(thank you Chaol for humoring me)
Consider the possibility that you order yourself into being from chaos... You do this, always, in all ways. This "ordering" has resulted in the possibilities you're experiencing, here, now. In each experience you've ever had, more and more of "this" reality is generated logically from your previous experience. Your observation of this unfolding of order and chaos is reality.


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