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Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

 
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[snips]

When you create a representation for your dream house your representation is as real as the house. The house itself is an other representation.
[snips]
 Quoting: Chaol


to clarify the above, the Genius model you create for your dream house is a representation.

However, the house that you (will) walk in, live in, and use is also a representation.

They are both as real as it gets. Your mind does not treat them differently, because they are both representations.

The question is only, "How do I interact with my representations", that creates the reality that we know.
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Strange times. Be safe peeps.
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda




Care to elaborate? Also, if you want to share the title to the book you're reading, I'd love to know more about it too.
;o)
 Quoting: Unit3


Not too much to elaborate on, I've got a "pending change" feeling. This sense that something significant is underway. Could just be the weather, finally got some snow here in Detroit.

Book? Oh that ol' thing? It's "Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking."
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


I can't put that book down either. ;o)

Well it was interesting that you felt this and posted about it too. I was feeling the same thing for my area. We have been in a drought for quite a while. If we don't get rain and have our usual summer, it ain't gonna be good.
 Quoting: Unit3


In Hindsight, that "something significant is underway" seems to include a pattern of relationships that provided the experience of a (relatively) epic fight (within perspective) to sustain the relevance of my "precious".

She and I have been through quite an adventure together. A large reason why I began to look into "expanding my awareness" was to better understand the meaning in what would otherwise be "chaos". Sometimes, from my perspective, I feel as if I am restructuring my reality to compensate for my desires. A little sacrifice here, a little forgiveness there... My wife and I have "been together" since I was 16, we're high-school sweethearts.

All of our "friends" struggle to find someone with that "something" they require to make them "feel" whole... I've had it for almost half of my 31 years, I know "nothing else". There were times when I didn't put forth the energy to fend off the entropy of stagnation and I lost my grip on her. Now, I recognize the entropic patterns as they're unraveling before me and in noticing them, it sometimes feels like I am enabling them to thrive.

Last night, I had a dream where I was on a train with my wife. There were three tracks running parallel and a train running along with ours on both sides. A bridge collapsed in the distance and it had funky physics in the way it fell (kind of slow-mo). I became lucid at that point, flew from the train and "attempted" to stop the trains (especially the one that contained my wife) from hitting the bridge. By the time I turned around to see how close the train had gotten, they had already hit. My wife was barely injured but grateful that I was able to pull her from the rubble. I decided (within the dream) to wake up (as the excitement of the experience had me buzzing with satisfaction).

I find it interesting and (sadly) predictable that the more I focus on "keeping" my precious, the more my "genius" provides me scenarios where I have to defend my right to "keep" it.
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I would like to understand how to use visualization to play golf shots that result in a desired outcome. You mentioned that when you use your version of visualization the outcome is more or less guaranteed. I think that using this example could be easily transferred over for similar experiences by the other forum participants. Thanks.
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Following on...
Why might you hear a sound but someone else does not hear it?
Why might a black box on the floor appear as a laptop to you but a black object to a newborn baby?
Our perceptions 'act' in accordance with the value we have given them.
The aspects of our reality interact with us the same as we interact with them.
If you see a black box, it will function as a black box in your reality (until your new perspective).
If you see a laptop, it will function as a laptop in your reality (until your new perspective).
You can use either.
Take what you perceive all ready and interact with it differently for a different perception.
We can wish for something that materializes in our wishes.
Or we can see what we wish for as all ready existing in our reality.
Consider this...
The concept of 'laptop' was invented by your perspective.
You learned to see it in what was all ready there.
So, where is your PGA tour in your current perspective?
 Quoting: Chaol

thank you for both responses Chaol. I'm now representing myself as one that is clever enough to use this information to perceive what is already there. I think I see how we create the reality, and I can also understand why I have experienced so much peace in the moments of perception before assignment of value occurs in the conscious mind.
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I find it interesting and (sadly) predictable that the more I focus on "keeping" my precious, the more my "genius" provides me scenarios where I have to defend my right to "keep" it.
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


I would not say that this is a test.

It seems more like resistance at work.

Do you see the two of you as different people, or the same person?

If I may ask (apologies), if she disappeared tomorrow where would that leave you?
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I find it interesting and (sadly) predictable that the more I focus on "keeping" my precious, the more my "genius" provides me scenarios where I have to defend my right to "keep" it.
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


I would not say that this is a test.

It seems more like resistance at work.

Do you see the two of you as different people, or the same person?

If I may ask (apologies), if she disappeared tomorrow where would that leave you?
 Quoting: Chaol


No apologies needed. I agree with you, that's why I feel it's so "(sadly) predictable". I do not see us as the same "person" but I do see her as a (primary) component of myself. If she were to disappear "tomorrow" (which I almost dread noting as I believe this is a logical possibility) I would (predictably) experience it to be a tremendous "loss". She's my "best friend", my "companion" and my "love". She's my "inspiration" and my "challenge". I would "survive", of course, and the voids created by her absence ("sudden" irrelevance) would create vacuums sucking into my experience frame a new representation for perspective to fill the voids.

In short, I imagine an experience like that would leave "me" filled with "regret". I'd most likely (start) by seeking to transition into a perspective where the symbol (I "wish"(fool myself into believing") her to be) is represented and still relative.

(thank you Chaol for humoring me)
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Chaol,

Is there an exercise than would allow to easily see tangible results in 2 days or less? Perhaps a way of working and tweaking a genius model to act fast.


I feel like I understand most of what you are saying conceptually, but feel like something physical and tangible that I can play with in the "near future" would help my perspective immensely.

Thanks for your help
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[snips]

I find it interesting and (sadly) predictable that the more I focus on "keeping" my precious, the more my "genius" provides me scenarios where I have to defend my right to "keep" it.
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


I would not say that this is a test.

It seems more like resistance at work.

Do you see the two of you as different people, or the same person?

If I may ask (apologies), if she disappeared tomorrow where would that leave you?
 Quoting: Chaol


No apologies needed. I agree with you, that's why I feel it's so "(sadly) predictable". I do not see us as the same "person" but I do see her as a (primary) component of myself. If she were to disappear "tomorrow" (which I almost dread noting as I believe this is a logical possibility) I would (predictably) experience it to be a tremendous "loss". She's my "best friend", my "companion" and my "love". She's my "inspiration" and my "challenge". I would "survive", of course, and the voids created by her absence ("sudden" irrelevance) would create vacuums sucking into my experience frame a new representation for perspective to fill the voids.

In short, I imagine an experience like that would leave "me" filled with "regret". I'd most likely (start) by seeking to transition into a perspective where the symbol (I "wish"(fool myself into believing") her to be) is represented and still relative.

(thank you Chaol for humoring me)
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


Thanks for sharing.

Then I suppose you will experience what you think you are all ready experiencing or one of you will become somewhat a different person, allowing for new life in the relationship.

Time will tell, I suppose.

Keeping someone with you through personal transition can be quite difficult (less so if they're a vital aspect of that transition).
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Chaol,

Is there an exercise than would allow to easily see tangible results in 2 days or less? Perhaps a way of working and tweaking a genius model to act fast.


I feel like I understand most of what you are saying conceptually, but feel like something physical and tangible that I can play with in the "near future" would help my perspective immensely.

Thanks for your help
 Quoting: Dodec 20177375


Hi.

Is a grey metal arm physical and tangible enough?

What do you want to do with it?
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@dodec

It really depends on your intention (and how relative it is to get to where you want to go)

But I suppose if you wanted to fortify some of your intention you could simply stare into your eyes in the mirror until you don't see yourself staring.

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[snips]

I find it interesting and (sadly) predictable that the more I focus on "keeping" my precious, the more my "genius" provides me scenarios where I have to defend my right to "keep" it.
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


I would not say that this is a test.

It seems more like resistance at work.

Do you see the two of you as different people, or the same person?

If I may ask (apologies), if she disappeared tomorrow where would that leave you?
 Quoting: Chaol


No apologies needed. I agree with you, that's why I feel it's so "(sadly) predictable". I do not see us as the same "person" but I do see her as a (primary) component of myself. If she were to disappear "tomorrow" (which I almost dread noting as I believe this is a logical possibility) I would (predictably) experience it to be a tremendous "loss". She's my "best friend", my "companion" and my "love". She's my "inspiration" and my "challenge". I would "survive", of course, and the voids created by her absence ("sudden" irrelevance) would create vacuums sucking into my experience frame a new representation for perspective to fill the voids.

In short, I imagine an experience like that would leave "me" filled with "regret". I'd most likely (start) by seeking to transition into a perspective where the symbol (I "wish"(fool myself into believing") her to be) is represented and still relative.

(thank you Chaol for humoring me)
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


Thanks for sharing.

Then I suppose you will experience what you think you are all ready experiencing or one of you will become somewhat a different person, allowing for new life in the relationship.

Time will tell, I suppose.

Keeping someone with you through personal transition can be quite difficult (less so if they're a vital aspect of that transition).
 Quoting: Chaol


Thanks again. Do you find it "quite difficult" to maintain the relevance of what you hold "precious" while you transition? (Do you have any "tricks of the trade" you use?)

Do you think I should reconsider the way I represent her within my perspective? Perhaps "stop" fighting to "keep" her and "accept" that she's fundamental to who who and what I am (regardless of how she is represented)?

I can (fairly accurately) "assume" that I wouldn't be on your thread discussing these notions if she wasn't there to provide me an environment where my curiosity was encouraged to thrive. Then again, it's possible "something" else would have.
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I would not say that this is a test.

It seems more like resistance at work.

Do you see the two of you as different people, or the same person?

If I may ask (apologies), if she disappeared tomorrow where would that leave you?
 Quoting: Chaol


No apologies needed. I agree with you, that's why I feel it's so "(sadly) predictable". I do not see us as the same "person" but I do see her as a (primary) component of myself. If she were to disappear "tomorrow" (which I almost dread noting as I believe this is a logical possibility) I would (predictably) experience it to be a tremendous "loss". She's my "best friend", my "companion" and my "love". She's my "inspiration" and my "challenge". I would "survive", of course, and the voids created by her absence ("sudden" irrelevance) would create vacuums sucking into my experience frame a new representation for perspective to fill the voids.

In short, I imagine an experience like that would leave "me" filled with "regret". I'd most likely (start) by seeking to transition into a perspective where the symbol (I "wish"(fool myself into believing") her to be) is represented and still relative.

(thank you Chaol for humoring me)
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


Thanks for sharing.

Then I suppose you will experience what you think you are all ready experiencing or one of you will become somewhat a different person, allowing for new life in the relationship.

Time will tell, I suppose.

Keeping someone with you through personal transition can be quite difficult (less so if they're a vital aspect of that transition).
 Quoting: Chaol


Thanks again. Do you find it "quite difficult" to maintain the relevance of what you hold "precious" while you transition? (Do you have any "tricks of the trade" you use?)

Do you think I should reconsider the way I represent her within my perspective? Perhaps "stop" fighting to "keep" her and "accept" that she's fundamental to who who and what I am (regardless of how she is represented)?

I can (fairly accurately) "assume" that I wouldn't be on your thread discussing these notions if she wasn't there to provide me an environment where my curiosity was encouraged to thrive. Then again, it's possible "something" else would have.
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


Yes.. for me, stop fighting to keep something.

Also, we often assume that the person we meet along our destination who is there for most of the way (or is 'fun', etc.) is the person who should be there when we arrive at our destination.

What you are doing to me appears to be resisting.

To be okay with any possibility is to understand that you are possibility. Otherwise you are not okay with yourself, in which case difficulties will arise.
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No apologies needed. I agree with you, that's why I feel it's so "(sadly) predictable". I do not see us as the same "person" but I do see her as a (primary) component of myself. If she were to disappear "tomorrow" (which I almost dread noting as I believe this is a logical possibility) I would (predictably) experience it to be a tremendous "loss". She's my "best friend", my "companion" and my "love". She's my "inspiration" and my "challenge". I would "survive", of course, and the voids created by her absence ("sudden" irrelevance) would create vacuums sucking into my experience frame a new representation for perspective to fill the voids.

In short, I imagine an experience like that would leave "me" filled with "regret". I'd most likely (start) by seeking to transition into a perspective where the symbol (I "wish"(fool myself into believing") her to be) is represented and still relative.

(thank you Chaol for humoring me)
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


Thanks for sharing.

Then I suppose you will experience what you think you are all ready experiencing or one of you will become somewhat a different person, allowing for new life in the relationship.

Time will tell, I suppose.

Keeping someone with you through personal transition can be quite difficult (less so if they're a vital aspect of that transition).
 Quoting: Chaol


Thanks again. Do you find it "quite difficult" to maintain the relevance of what you hold "precious" while you transition? (Do you have any "tricks of the trade" you use?)

Do you think I should reconsider the way I represent her within my perspective? Perhaps "stop" fighting to "keep" her and "accept" that she's fundamental to who who and what I am (regardless of how she is represented)?

I can (fairly accurately) "assume" that I wouldn't be on your thread discussing these notions if she wasn't there to provide me an environment where my curiosity was encouraged to thrive. Then again, it's possible "something" else would have.
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


Yes.. for me, stop fighting to keep something.

Also, we often assume that the person we meet along our destination who is there for most of the way (or is 'fun', etc.) is the person who should be there when we arrive at our destination.

What you are doing to me appears to be resisting.

To be okay with any possibility is to understand that you are possibility. Otherwise you are not okay with yourself, in which case difficulties will arise.
 Quoting: Chaol


I appreciate the reminder. Thank you.
hf

The "fight" I consistently find myself in, is as a result of my (personal) resistance to (what I perceive as) her "self destructive" nature and desire for short term satisfaction that is in conflict with sustained long term satisfaction(and stability). She can be very careless and reckless (We've discussed her perspective at length and I am sure she perceives this as her being "free-spirited"). I've been told (in quasi-irrational emotionally charged arguments) I behave more like a "father" than a "husband" a few times. She perceives my resistance as an act of control (I suppose it is).

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Hi Chaol, I'd appreciate your help with my Genius please. I made a few Genius Models for something I wanted to perceive last month...a new job; it didn't work--that is, I didn't get the job I made the Genius for.

I'm trying again with a different company...and have made six Genius models for a new job, but none have been company specific and I feel they are too vague (in my creation of them) to be effective.

Can you help walk me through a Genius run for my new job?

Let's start from scratch (or where ever you want to start).

Please?
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Okay, well starting 10/18/12, I started doing things such as reading about romantic beach getaways, subscribing to travel agencies and things like that.

Some time after that, I learned how to make a Genius. I know for sure I had my Genius by Nov. 17 because I connected it to the Nov. 17 nexus. I worked it that day (a lot) plus I have worked it weekly since I made it.

Then, a couple of days ago I changed it from "flowers from true love" to "receive flowers." What do you suggest I do now?

Here's the Genius if you want to look at it, (scroll down a bit). It might give you a better idea because I mark it under certain conditions:

[link to perceptionmap.blogspot.com]
 Quoting: Unit3


Curious.. is your symbol something unique that you've created specifically for this purpose?

Also, keep in mind that it is your symbol that interacts.

Additionally, this may be used if you wanted to receive flowers from someone on this website (provided your other elements were ok, per above).
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No, my symbol is something I have never seen before...which is my avatar picture.

The space is GLP. (I'm not meaning the person has to be from GLP, though.)

The Genius is for a true love so I made it: "flowers from my true love." Then changed it to "receive flowers" probably a month or so later when you brought it to my attention.

I'm thinking I'd better re-do my Genius and start over. The intent started way back so it's in action. But, I would like to perfect it to see how it works.

My husband was a perfect match of an avatar I made a couple of years before I met him. In fact, I was so shocked at the resemblance, I trashed the avatar, LOL! (He even wore the same glasses the avatar had!!!!)

Since I didn't really know what I was doing back then, I'd love to see the difference now that I have a better idea about all of this, heh!

So, I get the idea GLP is not the space you would recommend for this. Am I correct?

Thanks for your help, btw. You could probably start a business with this, hehe!
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Can write a genius or a word to help it sink in faster?
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Sure. Come up with a word with a meaning of "shared dreaming" and use it.
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And the sentence I use it in does not have to extend the meaning of the word? Correct?

I chose LatKet for my word but I could say, Hey look, it's LatKet outside.

And, are the words around the made up word considered interaction? Iow, is this a condensed Genius so to speak?
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Perhaps it's better to make it a word like any other. For example, "latket".

Yes saying, "Hey look, it's LatKet outside." would integrate the representation further into your reality.

The words around it are interaction, yes :) clever...

And, yes, it is the Genius at work. (So is speaking English or any other language. All using the elements in the same way.)
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Kewl! Thank you very much.
hf
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I would like to understand how to use visualization to play golf shots that result in a desired outcome. You mentioned that when you use your version of visualization the outcome is more or less guaranteed. I think that using this example could be easily transferred over for similar experiences by the other forum participants. Thanks.

Not-Chaol
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Following on...

Why might you hear a sound but someone else does not hear it?

Why might a black box on the floor appear as a laptop to you but a black object to a newborn baby?

Our perceptions 'act' in accordance with the value we have given them.

The aspects of our reality interact with us the same as we interact with them.

If you see a black box, it will function as a black box in your reality (until your new perspective).

If you see a laptop, it will function as a laptop in your reality (until your new perspective).

You can use either.

Take what you perceive all ready and interact with it differently for a different perception.

We can wish for something that materializes in our wishes.

Or we can see what we wish for as all ready existing in our reality.

Consider this...

The concept of 'laptop' was invented by your perspective.

You learned to see it in what was all ready there.

So, where is your PGA tour in your current perspective?
 Quoting: Chaol




Chaol said: "Take what you perceive all ready and interact with it differently for a different perception."

Whoa! This has been right in front of us the whole time! Wow!

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Awwwwww! blwkss

Well, if I drink something, it won't stay in that form for long. It would probably be better to work with sunlight instead. We'll see but thanks for exploring this possibility with me. ;o)
 Quoting: Unit3


Indeed, far easier to work with sunlight.

We don't play with it enough, I suppose.
 Quoting: Chaol


I've been trying to think how to use sunlight. It's hard to define the space with it.

I guess the sunlight space could be used for accessing dream reality? So I can read from the sphinx library?
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It could be as simple as a cup that fills with sunlight.

You don't need the sun-as-you-know-it to access your dream reality. (Thought there are different levels of "sun" and what it represents.)

The sphinx library is tricky. There are no real books. They're more like portals you can use to read yourself.
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Yes, but to get to those portals, I try for something else...such as to pick up the symbols I left in the library. I have left symbols in the library through visualization and placing them where Marshwiggle placed her symbols....would it work to put a cup outside to fill with sunlight...and every Tuesday, I go look at the cup and make a strange noise? Would that help me get to the portals?
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To me, you just described that it doesn't need to be used in context! blink
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Then I did not do a very good job explaining. When you are referring to the thing you call a "cat" you are using it in context. You don't call it a couch, stap, or a stronk. It is not in fact a "cat". The word "cat" is a representation for what that thing is which is far too complex to possibly comprehend in full.

Not-Chaol
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Got it now! Thanks. This could get complicated since I have 2 words I'm wanting to use. yeahsure
 Quoting: Unit3


The number of words is not a problem, as long as you don't confuse them.
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If I use the words out of context, how would I confuse them? Once I use them a certain way...do I always need to use them that way? Iow, once the context is set, it needs to stay the same? (So would that be same as a Genius....the symbol in a space?)

If so, then I need to remember the whole sentence and not just the word. Iow, I would always say, "Look, it's latket outside" when I use that word?
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Care to elaborate? Also, if you want to share the title to the book you're reading, I'd love to know more about it too.
;o)
 Quoting: Unit3


Not too much to elaborate on, I've got a "pending change" feeling. This sense that something significant is underway. Could just be the weather, finally got some snow here in Detroit.

Book? Oh that ol' thing? It's "Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking."
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


I can't put that book down either. ;o)

Well it was interesting that you felt this and posted about it too. I was feeling the same thing for my area. We have been in a drought for quite a while. If we don't get rain and have our usual summer, it ain't gonna be good.
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In Hindsight, that "something significant is underway" seems to include a pattern of relationships that provided the experience of a (relatively) epic fight (within perspective) to sustain the relevance of my "precious".

She and I have been through quite an adventure together. A large reason why I began to look into "expanding my awareness" was to better understand the meaning in what would otherwise be "chaos". Sometimes, from my perspective, I feel as if I am restructuring my reality to compensate for my desires. A little sacrifice here, a little forgiveness there... My wife and I have "been together" since I was 16, we're high-school sweethearts.

All of our "friends" struggle to find someone with that "something" they require to make them "feel" whole... I've had it for almost half of my 31 years, I know "nothing else". There were times when I didn't put forth the energy to fend off the entropy of stagnation and I lost my grip on her. Now, I recognize the entropic patterns as they're unraveling before me and in noticing them, it sometimes feels like I am enabling them to thrive.

Last night, I had a dream where I was on a train with my wife. There were three tracks running parallel and a train running along with ours on both sides. A bridge collapsed in the distance and it had funky physics in the way it fell (kind of slow-mo). I became lucid at that point, flew from the train and "attempted" to stop the trains (especially the one that contained my wife) from hitting the bridge. By the time I turned around to see how close the train had gotten, they had already hit. My wife was barely injured but grateful that I was able to pull her from the rubble. I decided (within the dream) to wake up (as the excitement of the experience had me buzzing with satisfaction).

I find it interesting and (sadly) predictable that the more I focus on "keeping" my precious, the more my "genius" provides me scenarios where I have to defend my right to "keep" it.
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda





Awwwww, I feel for you. I really do.

I'd like to give you some ideas. I"m not sure if they will help, but it's worth a shot.

If you quit trying to include her in this, isn't it possible she will jump right into it anyway? It could be she senses a manipulation or else your resistance is making problems.

Also, my plan was to make a bunch of $ and drop some into my husband's bank account. What would happen if once you learned to use the Genius, if you showed her the extra $500 you made with it? That might catch her attention real fast if she isn't already into it.

Another thing to consider. Chaol asked what would it be like for you, if your wife disappeared tomorrow. I also ask, what would it be like if you had to give up learning all this tomorrow?

None of us knows what's going to happen, whether we know how to use a Genius or not. I guess the difference is now, with us consciously using it, we are probably going to face guilt, fear, etc:. but in a different way than before.

In the past, when something happens that we don't like, we weren't sure why it happened. Now, we feel like we may have caused it. But, the feelings are the same, they are just in a different context. We still deal with guilt, sorrow, etc;. There seems to be no getting around it and as you know, we are drama queens.

I wish I could perceive a world where no one gets hurts. And, I'm doing my best at it, but I also accept it may not happen.

Anyway, I don't know if this helps at all. I feel for you and hope it works out. Thanks for sharing with us. I think we need to talk about these things.

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@dodec

It really depends on your intention (and how relative it is to get to where you want to go)

But I suppose if you wanted to fortify some of your intention you could simply stare into your eyes in the mirror until you don't see yourself staring.
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Verrrrrry interesting. Would this be something you recommend for any of us or is this something one should do at a certain stage of their understanding? And how long might it take? Or is that completely an unknown?

Dodec, if you do this, I hope you'll tell us about it.
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Not too much to elaborate on, I've got a "pending change" feeling. This sense that something significant is underway. Could just be the weather, finally got some snow here in Detroit.

Book? Oh that ol' thing? It's "Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking."
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


I can't put that book down either. ;o)

Well it was interesting that you felt this and posted about it too. I was feeling the same thing for my area. We have been in a drought for quite a while. If we don't get rain and have our usual summer, it ain't gonna be good.
 Quoting: Unit3


In Hindsight, that "something significant is underway" seems to include a pattern of relationships that provided the experience of a (relatively) epic fight (within perspective) to sustain the relevance of my "precious".

She and I have been through quite an adventure together. A large reason why I began to look into "expanding my awareness" was to better understand the meaning in what would otherwise be "chaos". Sometimes, from my perspective, I feel as if I am restructuring my reality to compensate for my desires. A little sacrifice here, a little forgiveness there... My wife and I have "been together" since I was 16, we're high-school sweethearts.

All of our "friends" struggle to find someone with that "something" they require to make them "feel" whole... I've had it for almost half of my 31 years, I know "nothing else". There were times when I didn't put forth the energy to fend off the entropy of stagnation and I lost my grip on her. Now, I recognize the entropic patterns as they're unraveling before me and in noticing them, it sometimes feels like I am enabling them to thrive.

Last night, I had a dream where I was on a train with my wife. There were three tracks running parallel and a train running along with ours on both sides. A bridge collapsed in the distance and it had funky physics in the way it fell (kind of slow-mo). I became lucid at that point, flew from the train and "attempted" to stop the trains (especially the one that contained my wife) from hitting the bridge. By the time I turned around to see how close the train had gotten, they had already hit. My wife was barely injured but grateful that I was able to pull her from the rubble. I decided (within the dream) to wake up (as the excitement of the experience had me buzzing with satisfaction).

I find it interesting and (sadly) predictable that the more I focus on "keeping" my precious, the more my "genius" provides me scenarios where I have to defend my right to "keep" it.
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda





Awwwww, I feel for you. I really do.

I'd like to give you some ideas. I"m not sure if they will help, but it's worth a shot.

If you quit trying to include her in this, isn't it possible she will jump right into it anyway? It could be she senses a manipulation or else your resistance is making problems.

Also, my plan was to make a bunch of $ and drop some into my husband's bank account. What would happen if once you learned to use the Genius, if you showed her the extra $500 you made with it? That might catch her attention real fast if she isn't already into it.

Another thing to consider. Chaol asked what would it be like for you, if your wife disappeared tomorrow. I also ask, what would it be like if you had to give up learning all this tomorrow?

None of us knows what's going to happen, whether we know how to use a Genius or not. I guess the difference is now, with us consciously using it, we are probably going to face guilt, fear, etc:. but in a different way than before.

In the past, when something happens that we don't like, we weren't sure why it happened. Now, we feel like we may have caused it. But, the feelings are the same, they are just in a different context. We still deal with guilt, sorrow, etc;. There seems to be no getting around it and as you know, we are drama queens.

I wish I could perceive a world where no one gets hurts. And, I'm doing my best at it, but I also accept it may not happen.

Anyway, I don't know if this helps at all. I feel for you and hope it works out. Thanks for sharing with us. I think we need to talk about these things.

Hugs!
 Quoting: Unit3


I definitely do feel responsible for my experience and the perspective I see it from. My inability to explain my perspective to her has led me down many paths (as she's revealed time and again, that I do not understand it all that well myself). Her lack of interest and distrust of the "non-physical" is rooted deeply in her choice to see her existence as temporary and purely physical.

hf
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hey chaol,

or if anyone could help.
it would be greatly appreciated.

How do I prevent myself from perceiving violence and harm and threats?

I want to live in a utopian world, with peace, prosperity, and happiness; however somehow, negativity and crappy things/harmful things keep coming into my perception, as I perceive what other cruel Humans are doing.

please give me advice and suggestions as to how to remove ALL negativity from my perception.

thank you truly, from my heart.

best
regards

and thanks for giving a helping hand to your fellow Humans. As I am sure all appreciate it, as well as myself.


keep up the good work!
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Hi.

I'm sorry to hear of your experience. We'll try to find out what's going on.

May I ask, do you think there is negativity in your perceptions, or negativity in your interpretation?

If you are perceiving something negative would it be the same perception for everyone?
 Quoting: Chaol

Yes, there is negativity in my interpretation of when I perceive threats and perceive violence and perceive robberies and muggings.

No, I believe some people may think killing other Humans as the norm and have no empathy. so technically others would not perceive it as negative rather as selfish-good for their greedy selves.

so how do I solve those negative perceptions that somehow come into my perception without my consent?

thanks again
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I can't put that book down either. ;o)

Well it was interesting that you felt this and posted about it too. I was feeling the same thing for my area. We have been in a drought for quite a while. If we don't get rain and have our usual summer, it ain't gonna be good.
 Quoting: Unit3


In Hindsight, that "something significant is underway" seems to include a pattern of relationships that provided the experience of a (relatively) epic fight (within perspective) to sustain the relevance of my "precious".

She and I have been through quite an adventure together. A large reason why I began to look into "expanding my awareness" was to better understand the meaning in what would otherwise be "chaos". Sometimes, from my perspective, I feel as if I am restructuring my reality to compensate for my desires. A little sacrifice here, a little forgiveness there... My wife and I have "been together" since I was 16, we're high-school sweethearts.

All of our "friends" struggle to find someone with that "something" they require to make them "feel" whole... I've had it for almost half of my 31 years, I know "nothing else". There were times when I didn't put forth the energy to fend off the entropy of stagnation and I lost my grip on her. Now, I recognize the entropic patterns as they're unraveling before me and in noticing them, it sometimes feels like I am enabling them to thrive.

Last night, I had a dream where I was on a train with my wife. There were three tracks running parallel and a train running along with ours on both sides. A bridge collapsed in the distance and it had funky physics in the way it fell (kind of slow-mo). I became lucid at that point, flew from the train and "attempted" to stop the trains (especially the one that contained my wife) from hitting the bridge. By the time I turned around to see how close the train had gotten, they had already hit. My wife was barely injured but grateful that I was able to pull her from the rubble. I decided (within the dream) to wake up (as the excitement of the experience had me buzzing with satisfaction).

I find it interesting and (sadly) predictable that the more I focus on "keeping" my precious, the more my "genius" provides me scenarios where I have to defend my right to "keep" it.
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda





Awwwww, I feel for you. I really do.

I'd like to give you some ideas. I"m not sure if they will help, but it's worth a shot.

If you quit trying to include her in this, isn't it possible she will jump right into it anyway? It could be she senses a manipulation or else your resistance is making problems.

Also, my plan was to make a bunch of $ and drop some into my husband's bank account. What would happen if once you learned to use the Genius, if you showed her the extra $500 you made with it? That might catch her attention real fast if she isn't already into it.

Another thing to consider. Chaol asked what would it be like for you, if your wife disappeared tomorrow. I also ask, what would it be like if you had to give up learning all this tomorrow?

None of us knows what's going to happen, whether we know how to use a Genius or not. I guess the difference is now, with us consciously using it, we are probably going to face guilt, fear, etc:. but in a different way than before.

In the past, when something happens that we don't like, we weren't sure why it happened. Now, we feel like we may have caused it. But, the feelings are the same, they are just in a different context. We still deal with guilt, sorrow, etc;. There seems to be no getting around it and as you know, we are drama queens.

I wish I could perceive a world where no one gets hurts. And, I'm doing my best at it, but I also accept it may not happen.

Anyway, I don't know if this helps at all. I feel for you and hope it works out. Thanks for sharing with us. I think we need to talk about these things.

Hugs!
 Quoting: Unit3


I definitely do feel responsible for my experience and the perspective I see it from. My inability to explain my perspective to her has led me down many paths (as she's revealed time and again, that I do not understand it all that well myself). Her lack of interest and distrust of the "non-physical" is rooted deeply in her choice to see her existence as temporary and purely physical.

hf
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hf
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In my post, I believe I defined my (illusory) obstacle and you've confirmed this for me. I believe this is rooted in the fear of losing (or belief that I will render irrelevant) that which I "cherish" (my precious).
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Hope and Fear is what obstruct us from seeing clearly what is around us. Bear in mind though, that giving up Hope is much, much harder than beating Fear.

But which human would have given up Hope altogether for the sake of "seeing things clearly?" or to beat Fear?

Who would have given up "life" or "existence" in exchange for "nothing"? why?

But even if there is, how did he do it?
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Hope and fear.. both articles of resistance not so unlike the other.

When we fear something we are still interacting with it, drawing it nearer.

When we hope something we are interacting with it, also, but it a way that speaks "that is not us", continuing the illusion of separation indefinitely.

Basically, letting go of fear is the realization that you are what you fear. What was feared only seems that way because of the resistance to a part of yourself (a process that creates all kinds of 'demons', so to speak) rather than more of what it actually is.
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So here we are!

We live our lives hoping that one day we will find the Truth and live with it happily ever after
We live our lives fearing that one day the Truth will come and smash the idea/concept/thing we have about ourselves and our life.

But...the Truth does not exist!

In its ultimate consequence the above points to: "not your fault/not to your merit" about everyone's life.

Because as i have understand it from Chaol, none of us has ever perceived anything that was not the most relative/logical to its previous perception.

None of us has ever done anything more (where did the "extra" energy come from?), or less of what he could have done (it wouldn't have happened). We all did/do/will do our best and everyone else in our position would have done the same. Because there was never any "more" or "less" to do.

But thanks to Chaol, we can now know that the above, is not the most boring statement about life. Quite the opposite.

But we cannot simply believe, be convinced or be persuaded about the above. It means nothing! We won't know what to do about it! We have to experience it, entering our bloodstream (I still haven't. I am just following the pointers, which means that I may also have taken a "wrong" turn) :)
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thank you for both responses Chaol. I'm now representing myself as one that is clever enough to use this information to perceive what is already there. I think I see how we create the reality, and I can also understand why I have experienced so much peace in the moments of perception before assignment of value occurs in the conscious mind.
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[Emphasis mine]

What is called "enlightenment"

(though in this way it would be like very little value rather than absolutely no value)
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Thanks for sharing.

Then I suppose you will experience what you think you are all ready experiencing or one of you will become somewhat a different person, allowing for new life in the relationship.

Time will tell, I suppose.

Keeping someone with you through personal transition can be quite difficult (less so if they're a vital aspect of that transition).
 Quoting: Chaol


Thanks again. Do you find it "quite difficult" to maintain the relevance of what you hold "precious" while you transition? (Do you have any "tricks of the trade" you use?)

Do you think I should reconsider the way I represent her within my perspective? Perhaps "stop" fighting to "keep" her and "accept" that she's fundamental to who who and what I am (regardless of how she is represented)?

I can (fairly accurately) "assume" that I wouldn't be on your thread discussing these notions if she wasn't there to provide me an environment where my curiosity was encouraged to thrive. Then again, it's possible "something" else would have.
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


Yes.. for me, stop fighting to keep something.

Also, we often assume that the person we meet along our destination who is there for most of the way (or is 'fun', etc.) is the person who should be there when we arrive at our destination.

What you are doing to me appears to be resisting.

To be okay with any possibility is to understand that you are possibility. Otherwise you are not okay with yourself, in which case difficulties will arise.
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I appreciate the reminder. Thank you.
hf

The "fight" I consistently find myself in, is as a result of my (personal) resistance to (what I perceive as) her "self destructive" nature and desire for short term satisfaction that is in conflict with sustained long term satisfaction(and stability). She can be very careless and reckless (We've discussed her perspective at length and I am sure she perceives this as her being "free-spirited"). I've been told (in quasi-irrational emotionally charged arguments) I behave more like a "father" than a "husband" a few times. She perceives my resistance as an act of control (I suppose it is).

damned
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When we are okay with the values in our perspective then our perspective seems to change.

Resisting creates things that have very little value and seem more real than they actually are.

It is possible that you see her as being that way because of your own resistance to the things in your perspective (i.e., to you).

If you, for example, were to spontaneously develop a strong distaste for the word "cleavage" then your subconscious would find a way to shove it in your face. Dramas would be created and it would seem like you are doing the right thing (to justify your feelings) when actually the drama exists because you are essentially saying to yourself, "that is not me" while your subconscious is saying, "oh, yes it is you. I'm just going to leave it here until you figure it out."
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Hi Chaol, I'd appreciate your help with my Genius please. I made a few Genius Models for something I wanted to perceive last month...a new job; it didn't work--that is, I didn't get the job I made the Genius for.

I'm trying again with a different company...and have made six Genius models for a new job, but none have been company specific and I feel they are too vague (in my creation of them) to be effective.

Can you help walk me through a Genius run for my new job?

Let's start from scratch (or where ever you want to start).

Please?
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Hi.

Of your six models can you tell me which one you think could work best?

Please tell me about your symbol for it, along with the other elements (if you can).

Thanks
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Okay, well starting 10/18/12, I started doing things such as reading about romantic beach getaways, subscribing to travel agencies and things like that.

Some time after that, I learned how to make a Genius. I know for sure I had my Genius by Nov. 17 because I connected it to the Nov. 17 nexus. I worked it that day (a lot) plus I have worked it weekly since I made it.

Then, a couple of days ago I changed it from "flowers from true love" to "receive flowers." What do you suggest I do now?

Here's the Genius if you want to look at it, (scroll down a bit). It might give you a better idea because I mark it under certain conditions:

[link to perceptionmap.blogspot.com]
 Quoting: Unit3


Curious.. is your symbol something unique that you've created specifically for this purpose?

Also, keep in mind that it is your symbol that interacts.

Additionally, this may be used if you wanted to receive flowers from someone on this website (provided your other elements were ok, per above).
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No, my symbol is something I have never seen before...which is my avatar picture.

The space is GLP. (I'm not meaning the person has to be from GLP, though.)

The Genius is for a true love so I made it: "flowers from my true love." Then changed it to "receive flowers" probably a month or so later when you brought it to my attention.

I'm thinking I'd better re-do my Genius and start over. The intent started way back so it's in action. But, I would like to perfect it to see how it works.

My husband was a perfect match of an avatar I made a couple of years before I met him. In fact, I was so shocked at the resemblance, I trashed the avatar, LOL! (He even wore the same glasses the avatar had!!!!)

Since I didn't really know what I was doing back then, I'd love to see the difference now that I have a better idea about all of this, heh!

So, I get the idea GLP is not the space you would recommend for this. Am I correct?

Thanks for your help, btw. You could probably start a business with this, hehe!
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Hi.

Is your symbol:

1) something you made?

2) Physical?

For space, you'd want a space your (physical) symbol can interact in. (So, yes, something different besides this website.)

It's probably better to move to non-physical symbols once you've the hang of it.
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Indeed, far easier to work with sunlight.

We don't play with it enough, I suppose.
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I've been trying to think how to use sunlight. It's hard to define the space with it.

I guess the sunlight space could be used for accessing dream reality? So I can read from the sphinx library?
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It could be as simple as a cup that fills with sunlight.

You don't need the sun-as-you-know-it to access your dream reality. (Thought there are different levels of "sun" and what it represents.)

The sphinx library is tricky. There are no real books. They're more like portals you can use to read yourself.
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Yes, but to get to those portals, I try for something else...such as to pick up the symbols I left in the library. I have left symbols in the library through visualization and placing them where Marshwiggle placed her symbols....would it work to put a cup outside to fill with sunlight...and every Tuesday, I go look at the cup and make a strange noise? Would that help me get to the portals?
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The instructions for that are in the Dream Reality thread.
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Then I did not do a very good job explaining. When you are referring to the thing you call a "cat" you are using it in context. You don't call it a couch, stap, or a stronk. It is not in fact a "cat". The word "cat" is a representation for what that thing is which is far too complex to possibly comprehend in full.

Not-Chaol
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Got it now! Thanks. This could get complicated since I have 2 words I'm wanting to use. yeahsure
 Quoting: Unit3


The number of words is not a problem, as long as you don't confuse them.
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If I use the words out of context, how would I confuse them? Once I use them a certain way...do I always need to use them that way? Iow, once the context is set, it needs to stay the same? (So would that be same as a Genius....the symbol in a space?)

If so, then I need to remember the whole sentence and not just the word. Iow, I would always say, "Look, it's latket outside" when I use that word?
 Quoting: Unit3


You're just adding a new word to your vocabulary. Your brain will map it to something depending on how you use it.

You don't need to all ways use it in the same sentence. Just treat it as any other word.

It would help to use the words in the same way, consistently. As much as you would with any word (with one meaning) you now know.

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