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Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

 
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Not too much to elaborate on, I've got a "pending change" feeling. This sense that something significant is underway. Could just be the weather, finally got some snow here in Detroit.

Book? Oh that ol' thing? It's "Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking."
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


I can't put that book down either. ;o)

Well it was interesting that you felt this and posted about it too. I was feeling the same thing for my area. We have been in a drought for quite a while. If we don't get rain and have our usual summer, it ain't gonna be good.
 Quoting: Unit3


In Hindsight, that "something significant is underway" seems to include a pattern of relationships that provided the experience of a (relatively) epic fight (within perspective) to sustain the relevance of my "precious".

She and I have been through quite an adventure together. A large reason why I began to look into "expanding my awareness" was to better understand the meaning in what would otherwise be "chaos". Sometimes, from my perspective, I feel as if I am restructuring my reality to compensate for my desires. A little sacrifice here, a little forgiveness there... My wife and I have "been together" since I was 16, we're high-school sweethearts.

All of our "friends" struggle to find someone with that "something" they require to make them "feel" whole... I've had it for almost half of my 31 years, I know "nothing else". There were times when I didn't put forth the energy to fend off the entropy of stagnation and I lost my grip on her. Now, I recognize the entropic patterns as they're unraveling before me and in noticing them, it sometimes feels like I am enabling them to thrive.

Last night, I had a dream where I was on a train with my wife. There were three tracks running parallel and a train running along with ours on both sides. A bridge collapsed in the distance and it had funky physics in the way it fell (kind of slow-mo). I became lucid at that point, flew from the train and "attempted" to stop the trains (especially the one that contained my wife) from hitting the bridge. By the time I turned around to see how close the train had gotten, they had already hit. My wife was barely injured but grateful that I was able to pull her from the rubble. I decided (within the dream) to wake up (as the excitement of the experience had me buzzing with satisfaction).

I find it interesting and (sadly) predictable that the more I focus on "keeping" my precious, the more my "genius" provides me scenarios where I have to defend my right to "keep" it.
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda





Awwwww, I feel for you. I really do.

I'd like to give you some ideas. I"m not sure if they will help, but it's worth a shot.

If you quit trying to include her in this, isn't it possible she will jump right into it anyway? It could be she senses a manipulation or else your resistance is making problems.

Also, my plan was to make a bunch of $ and drop some into my husband's bank account. What would happen if once you learned to use the Genius, if you showed her the extra $500 you made with it? That might catch her attention real fast if she isn't already into it.

Another thing to consider. Chaol asked what would it be like for you, if your wife disappeared tomorrow. I also ask, what would it be like if you had to give up learning all this tomorrow?

None of us knows what's going to happen, whether we know how to use a Genius or not. I guess the difference is now, with us consciously using it, we are probably going to face guilt, fear, etc:. but in a different way than before.

In the past, when something happens that we don't like, we weren't sure why it happened. Now, we feel like we may have caused it. But, the feelings are the same, they are just in a different context. We still deal with guilt, sorrow, etc;. There seems to be no getting around it and as you know, we are drama queens.

I wish I could perceive a world where no one gets hurts. And, I'm doing my best at it, but I also accept it may not happen.

Anyway, I don't know if this helps at all. I feel for you and hope it works out. Thanks for sharing with us. I think we need to talk about these things.

Hugs!
 Quoting: Unit3


Some of us are using a few different things at the same time :)

There's nothing wrong with this, of course. But sometimes it could lead to confusion.

All roads lead to Rome. But some roads take longer than others.
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@dodec

It really depends on your intention (and how relative it is to get to where you want to go)

But I suppose if you wanted to fortify some of your intention you could simply stare into your eyes in the mirror until you don't see yourself staring.
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Verrrrrry interesting. Would this be something you recommend for any of us or is this something one should do at a certain stage of their understanding? And how long might it take? Or is that completely an unknown?

Dodec, if you do this, I hope you'll tell us about it.
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It's a representation, so to speak.

It represents you looking at the source of your perspective.

Looking into your sun.

It's not something that would have an immediate effect. It's unlikely that you will know what the result is. But it helps to 'drive it home'.
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I can't put that book down either. ;o)

Well it was interesting that you felt this and posted about it too. I was feeling the same thing for my area. We have been in a drought for quite a while. If we don't get rain and have our usual summer, it ain't gonna be good.
 Quoting: Unit3


In Hindsight, that "something significant is underway" seems to include a pattern of relationships that provided the experience of a (relatively) epic fight (within perspective) to sustain the relevance of my "precious".

She and I have been through quite an adventure together. A large reason why I began to look into "expanding my awareness" was to better understand the meaning in what would otherwise be "chaos". Sometimes, from my perspective, I feel as if I am restructuring my reality to compensate for my desires. A little sacrifice here, a little forgiveness there... My wife and I have "been together" since I was 16, we're high-school sweethearts.

All of our "friends" struggle to find someone with that "something" they require to make them "feel" whole... I've had it for almost half of my 31 years, I know "nothing else". There were times when I didn't put forth the energy to fend off the entropy of stagnation and I lost my grip on her. Now, I recognize the entropic patterns as they're unraveling before me and in noticing them, it sometimes feels like I am enabling them to thrive.

Last night, I had a dream where I was on a train with my wife. There were three tracks running parallel and a train running along with ours on both sides. A bridge collapsed in the distance and it had funky physics in the way it fell (kind of slow-mo). I became lucid at that point, flew from the train and "attempted" to stop the trains (especially the one that contained my wife) from hitting the bridge. By the time I turned around to see how close the train had gotten, they had already hit. My wife was barely injured but grateful that I was able to pull her from the rubble. I decided (within the dream) to wake up (as the excitement of the experience had me buzzing with satisfaction).

I find it interesting and (sadly) predictable that the more I focus on "keeping" my precious, the more my "genius" provides me scenarios where I have to defend my right to "keep" it.
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda





Awwwww, I feel for you. I really do.

I'd like to give you some ideas. I"m not sure if they will help, but it's worth a shot.

If you quit trying to include her in this, isn't it possible she will jump right into it anyway? It could be she senses a manipulation or else your resistance is making problems.

Also, my plan was to make a bunch of $ and drop some into my husband's bank account. What would happen if once you learned to use the Genius, if you showed her the extra $500 you made with it? That might catch her attention real fast if she isn't already into it.

Another thing to consider. Chaol asked what would it be like for you, if your wife disappeared tomorrow. I also ask, what would it be like if you had to give up learning all this tomorrow?

None of us knows what's going to happen, whether we know how to use a Genius or not. I guess the difference is now, with us consciously using it, we are probably going to face guilt, fear, etc:. but in a different way than before.

In the past, when something happens that we don't like, we weren't sure why it happened. Now, we feel like we may have caused it. But, the feelings are the same, they are just in a different context. We still deal with guilt, sorrow, etc;. There seems to be no getting around it and as you know, we are drama queens.

I wish I could perceive a world where no one gets hurts. And, I'm doing my best at it, but I also accept it may not happen.

Anyway, I don't know if this helps at all. I feel for you and hope it works out. Thanks for sharing with us. I think we need to talk about these things.

Hugs!
 Quoting: Unit3


I definitely do feel responsible for my experience and the perspective I see it from. My inability to explain my perspective to her has led me down many paths (as she's revealed time and again, that I do not understand it all that well myself). Her lack of interest and distrust of the "non-physical" is rooted deeply in her choice to see her existence as temporary and purely physical.

hf
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If she were exactly the same as you in all respects except for this (that she did not have the same perspective as you, or could not understand your perspective) what do you think this may signify?

If you were talking to an other Jesse (same everything, except that you didn't 'get it') what would this bring?
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hey chaol,

or if anyone could help.
it would be greatly appreciated.

How do I prevent myself from perceiving violence and harm and threats?

I want to live in a utopian world, with peace, prosperity, and happiness; however somehow, negativity and crappy things/harmful things keep coming into my perception, as I perceive what other cruel Humans are doing.

please give me advice and suggestions as to how to remove ALL negativity from my perception.

thank you truly, from my heart.

best
regards

and thanks for giving a helping hand to your fellow Humans. As I am sure all appreciate it, as well as myself.


keep up the good work!
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Hi.

I'm sorry to hear of your experience. We'll try to find out what's going on.

May I ask, do you think there is negativity in your perceptions, or negativity in your interpretation?

If you are perceiving something negative would it be the same perception for everyone?
 Quoting: Chaol

Yes, there is negativity in my interpretation of when I perceive threats and perceive violence and perceive robberies and muggings.

No, I believe some people may think killing other Humans as the norm and have no empathy. so technically others would not perceive it as negative rather as selfish-good for their greedy selves.

so how do I solve those negative perceptions that somehow come into my perception without my consent?

thanks again
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Let's say you had the entire universe from which to choose whatever you wished to experience.

You then decided to focus on a very, very small part of it. For example, someone being killed in your neighborhood a few years ago. Ne'ermind the other, similar killings in other places, nor of all of the other things that exist in the universe.

You then spend 10,000 years focused on this very small part of yourself. Perhaps you think that you should focus on it because it is bad and you have compassion.

Can you then say that it comes into your perception without your consent?

Further, if someone is being mugged... where is it happening? Inside or outside of your perspective?
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Hope and Fear is what obstruct us from seeing clearly what is around us. Bear in mind though, that giving up Hope is much, much harder than beating Fear.

But which human would have given up Hope altogether for the sake of "seeing things clearly?" or to beat Fear?

Who would have given up "life" or "existence" in exchange for "nothing"? why?

But even if there is, how did he do it?
 Quoting: panoukos


Hope and fear.. both articles of resistance not so unlike the other.

When we fear something we are still interacting with it, drawing it nearer.

When we hope something we are interacting with it, also, but it a way that speaks "that is not us", continuing the illusion of separation indefinitely.

Basically, letting go of fear is the realization that you are what you fear. What was feared only seems that way because of the resistance to a part of yourself (a process that creates all kinds of 'demons', so to speak) rather than more of what it actually is.
 Quoting: Chaol


So here we are!

We live our lives hoping that one day we will find the Truth and live with it happily ever after
We live our lives fearing that one day the Truth will come and smash the idea/concept/thing we have about ourselves and our life.

But...the Truth does not exist!

In its ultimate consequence the above points to: "not your fault/not to your merit" about everyone's life.

Because as i have understand it from Chaol, none of us has ever perceived anything that was not the most relative/logical to its previous perception.

None of us has ever done anything more (where did the "extra" energy come from?), or less of what he could have done (it wouldn't have happened). We all did/do/will do our best and everyone else in our position would have done the same. Because there was never any "more" or "less" to do.

But thanks to Chaol, we can now know that the above, is not the most boring statement about life. Quite the opposite.

But we cannot simply believe, be convinced or be persuaded about the above. It means nothing! We won't know what to do about it! We have to experience it, entering our bloodstream (I still haven't. I am just following the pointers, which means that I may also have taken a "wrong" turn) :)
 Quoting: Unit3


Unfortunately, we don't need to do anything about it.

We need only interact to seem like we exist.

And it doesn't matter what we interact with.

Thus, the world we seem to live in.

Doing "something" in particular is a distraction from not having to do anything in particular. But we like to convince ourselves that if we do X then it is good.

When actually none of it matters. It's just how we keep the illusion going.
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Unfortunately, we don't need to do anything about it.

We need only interact to seem like we exist.

And it doesn't matter what we interact with.

Thus, the world we seem to live in.

Doing "something" in particular is a distraction from not having to do anything in particular. But we like to convince ourselves that if we do X then it is good.

When actually none of it matters. It's just how we keep the illusion going.
 Quoting: Chaol


"Unfortunately..."? Why? why this value statement here?

However if the observation is accurate (as you seem to confirm-besides it was based on your readings), it can "produce" a temporary morality- Leniency.

Treating everybody (or at least trying to) around us with leniency (since we "acknowledge" that they act/say exactly as what we would have acted/said in their place), because we know where they are coming from (they do their best like us) can be a "method" of gradually eliminating what you call resistance.

Eliminating resistance (unfocus) is what will open all doors to perception as we have been told.

Leniency then, cannot be a moral requirement from a Higher Authority, not even an order that came from the most rational of thinkings.

It can represent however, a recipe of how to keep your head in place where everyone around you looks like it is losing theirs.

Let's not forget though, that "leniency" is just a meaningless word and its role is to point somewhere. Not to be used as a motto or slogan to believe in, because once we arrive at where it points, it will be irrelevant itself, proving it has no value.

Also, because none of us can live by always giving "right" to the others, leniency can point to understanding what the other is talking about, where his/her words point to (for us that we perceive them) and not what they mean (because they mean nothing).

If we do try to find meaning in the other's words, then it is when we raise resistance, since we will have to later classify this meaning as good or bad (depending on with what- "charged" by us- concept, this meaning has been connected), interact with it and acting accordingly, thus perpetuating the illusion of (our) existence.
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I feel like I have changed a great deal of the programming I was taught. I understand this is something I am perceiving now so yes, the program is being re-created and/or changed now.

Yes, I would like to know who is changing the programming, LOL! I would like to know who is learning to use the Genius, who has a subconscious and who is perceiving. heh!

It's still hard to see it all as nothing or as illusion. I understand I feel I exist because I perceive and that's about it. The rest, I'm waiting for a lightbulb moment.
 Quoting: Unit3


Who is reading this right now?

Can you imagine the endless physical, electrical, mathematical, and mechanical processes that you have control of right now because you are able to represent those complex processes?

No one is doing that but you.

You are capable of it because you inherently know how to represent anything and then work with those representations.
 Quoting: Chaol


Yes, I can imagine all the endless things going on right now as I read this and it's because I have control of them....even though I don't consciously know how. But how does this tell me who I am? A mind?
 Quoting: Unit3


You are the most beautiful and wondrous thing that could ever be imagined.

You are Something born of nothing-in-particular.

How amazing is that!?

You are that which takes an infinity of perceptions to try and reproduce.

All of the sonnets, birds, poems, clouds, hats, and swords in the world try, time and time again, to capture your essence. But cannot.

You are the life of life. The beauty of beauty. The wonder of wonder. That which things things try to be but cannot. That is how awesome you are.

They try through all manner of drama, seemingly to create a universe of things that, sadly, cannot capture even a small fragment of the impossible-to-perceive.

Although these things can be beautiful and not, happy and sad, at times thrilling or entirely boring, and everything in between, it is really just a distraction from your essence.

Who are you? You are whomever you are, whomever is possible to be.

But these things are confusing. Who wants to be nothing-in-particular when we can have the illusion of something-in-particular.

And so here you are. Impossible to define, impossible to perceive, impossible to merely think of.. but how wonderfully awesome is it that we can try.

And "try" is this essence. It is all we can do, and it is enough to create an endless universe of yourself, exploding at every moment and filling it again with an entirely new outlook of yourself.

But this "yourself" is not the you that wears clothes and eats food. It is YOU. The most relative thing to you. Your clothes do not illustrate this. The dishes on the table do not capture this. It is so wonderfully hidden because it is this nothing-in-particular, yet everything that could possibly be.

Are you alone? It would seem from my description that you are. What else is there when you are everything?

But the secret of this nothing-in-particular is that you have created an entire universe of perspective because this "alone" is irrelevant!

As soon as "nothing" is irrelevant it 'creates' SOMETHING. How can something be irrelevant when there is nothing else with which to compare?

So here you are.

"Alone in the universe..." is only something to be sad about if there was once two and now one.

Now there is an infinity of you so that it is impossible. And this beauty, these hats, these endless swords, and all the poems that will ever be written are a part of something entirely wondrous and beautiful.

Think of it as a gift from nowhere. It is only an illusion if there is something 'real' with which to compare it. So this story, these epic dramas we call existence is all that needs to be and is the most real thing that could ever possibly be.

You are all that you need to be right now. When I say that everything exists here and now I mean that there is no need to be anyone else, go anyplace else, do anything else, other than what you are doing right now.

Until this YOU perceives something else.

In one word, the you I have illustrated is Perfection.
 Quoting: Chaol



Hi Chaol,

I want to thank you for answering all my posts. I've read the most recent ones and appreciate all you've done for me and all of us.

I'm trying to cut down on hogging this thread (tounge) so I'll try to stick with this post because it's what I'm really the most interested in.

You might remember, when I found your threads, I was already working with making my night-time dreams become my reality. I am having some success, the latest I shared in the dream thread. (You replied to the post.)

I am wondering what your night-time dreaming experience is, if you feel like sharing.

Anyway, your post above is what I am experiencing in my night-time dreams. I would like advice in how to get this into my waking experience better. (I would prefer not to have to wait 2 years for it.) Also, if you have any advice how I can perceive this for everybody, it would be appreciated. (In my dream-time, I am also perceiving it for everybody.)


Thanks
hf

Edit: Btw, I tried to get this to happen in my waking reality by yesterday (my birthday) and now I've set it for New Year's Eve. So, anything radical that you might suggest, works for me! ;o)

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Hi.

Of your six models can you tell me which one you think could work best?

Please tell me about your symbol for it, along with the other elements (if you can).

Thanks
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Thanks, Chaol, I really appreciate the help!

The one I feel would work the best is the model that represents me driving to my new job every day and has elements as follows:

1. Symbol: champagne cork adorned with little rocks I found and wrapped with 550 paracord and has a little torn piece of my resume stuck to the bottom.

2. Possibility: I placed the symbol in the landscaping at the front of my subdivision.

3. Interaction: I drive by this everyday and many cars have to pass it going in/out of the neighborhood as well as all the commuter traffic on the main road outside the subdivision.

4. Logic: Everytime I pass by the landscaping I honk my horn and then say "jobby, jobby, jobby".
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The "fight" I consistently find myself in, is as a result of my (personal) resistance to (what I perceive as) her "self destructive" nature and desire for short term satisfaction that is in conflict with sustained long term satisfaction(and stability). She can be very careless and reckless (We've discussed her perspective at length and I am sure she perceives this as her being "free-spirited"). I've been told (in quasi-irrational emotionally charged arguments) I behave more like a "father" than a "husband" a few times. She perceives my resistance as an act of control (I suppose it is).

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Whoa, Jesse. I have just interacted with this same experience in my current relationship. To have read your words here and then have it present in my life later the same day was so odd.

Thank you for sharing your journey. The conversation has been helpful in navigating my own.

My take on mine is currently that this "other" represents some facet of myself (particularly my own recklessness or wanting to be free) which I am somewhere critical of, yet either blind to or, when aware of it, wanting to allow myself the "freedom" to do as I please without regard (without fear?).

It all seems tied up in a perspective where either fear or a difference in logic is present. I can't tell which one.

Thanks again Jesse, Chaol and all.

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In Hindsight, that "something significant is underway" seems to include a pattern of relationships that provided the experience of a (relatively) epic fight (within perspective) to sustain the relevance of my "precious".

She and I have been through quite an adventure together. A large reason why I began to look into "expanding my awareness" was to better understand the meaning in what would otherwise be "chaos". Sometimes, from my perspective, I feel as if I am restructuring my reality to compensate for my desires. A little sacrifice here, a little forgiveness there... My wife and I have "been together" since I was 16, we're high-school sweethearts.

All of our "friends" struggle to find someone with that "something" they require to make them "feel" whole... I've had it for almost half of my 31 years, I know "nothing else". There were times when I didn't put forth the energy to fend off the entropy of stagnation and I lost my grip on her. Now, I recognize the entropic patterns as they're unraveling before me and in noticing them, it sometimes feels like I am enabling them to thrive.

Last night, I had a dream where I was on a train with my wife. There were three tracks running parallel and a train running along with ours on both sides. A bridge collapsed in the distance and it had funky physics in the way it fell (kind of slow-mo). I became lucid at that point, flew from the train and "attempted" to stop the trains (especially the one that contained my wife) from hitting the bridge. By the time I turned around to see how close the train had gotten, they had already hit. My wife was barely injured but grateful that I was able to pull her from the rubble. I decided (within the dream) to wake up (as the excitement of the experience had me buzzing with satisfaction).

I find it interesting and (sadly) predictable that the more I focus on "keeping" my precious, the more my "genius" provides me scenarios where I have to defend my right to "keep" it.
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Awwwww, I feel for you. I really do.

I'd like to give you some ideas. I"m not sure if they will help, but it's worth a shot.

If you quit trying to include her in this, isn't it possible she will jump right into it anyway? It could be she senses a manipulation or else your resistance is making problems.

Also, my plan was to make a bunch of $ and drop some into my husband's bank account. What would happen if once you learned to use the Genius, if you showed her the extra $500 you made with it? That might catch her attention real fast if she isn't already into it.

Another thing to consider. Chaol asked what would it be like for you, if your wife disappeared tomorrow. I also ask, what would it be like if you had to give up learning all this tomorrow?

None of us knows what's going to happen, whether we know how to use a Genius or not. I guess the difference is now, with us consciously using it, we are probably going to face guilt, fear, etc:. but in a different way than before.

In the past, when something happens that we don't like, we weren't sure why it happened. Now, we feel like we may have caused it. But, the feelings are the same, they are just in a different context. We still deal with guilt, sorrow, etc;. There seems to be no getting around it and as you know, we are drama queens.

I wish I could perceive a world where no one gets hurts. And, I'm doing my best at it, but I also accept it may not happen.

Anyway, I don't know if this helps at all. I feel for you and hope it works out. Thanks for sharing with us. I think we need to talk about these things.

Hugs!
 Quoting: Unit3


I definitely do feel responsible for my experience and the perspective I see it from. My inability to explain my perspective to her has led me down many paths (as she's revealed time and again, that I do not understand it all that well myself). Her lack of interest and distrust of the "non-physical" is rooted deeply in her choice to see her existence as temporary and purely physical.

hf
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1. If she were exactly the same as you in all respects except for this (that she did not have the same perspective as you, or could not understand your perspective) what do you think this may signify?

2. If you were talking to an other Jesse (same everything, except that you didn't 'get it') what would this bring?
 Quoting: Chaol


1. The reality of my experience. It would also allow opportunity for new experience.

2. The same as 1. because not being able to "get it" would imply an alternate perspective.

(thanks again Chaol)
Nothing is irrelevant.
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My mother told me that this song was one of many inspirations that led her to name me Jesse. (She had a lot of Jesse "synchronicities" shortly before they (my mother and father) were considering my name.)

Could be the theme song for my life. lol

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The "fight" I consistently find myself in, is as a result of my (personal) resistance to (what I perceive as) her "self destructive" nature and desire for short term satisfaction that is in conflict with sustained long term satisfaction(and stability). She can be very careless and reckless (We've discussed her perspective at length and I am sure she perceives this as her being "free-spirited"). I've been told (in quasi-irrational emotionally charged arguments) I behave more like a "father" than a "husband" a few times. She perceives my resistance as an act of control (I suppose it is).

damned
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Whoa, Jesse. I have just interacted with this same experience in my current relationship. To have read your words here and then have it present in my life later the same day was so odd.

Thank you for sharing your journey. The conversation has been helpful in navigating my own.

My take on mine is currently that this "other" represents some facet of myself (particularly my own recklessness or wanting to be free) which I am somewhere critical of, yet either blind to or, when aware of it, wanting to allow myself the "freedom" to do as I please without regard (without fear?).

It all seems tied up in a perspective where either fear or a difference in logic is present. I can't tell which one.

Thanks again Jesse, Chaol and all.

<3
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hey chaol,

or if anyone could help.
it would be greatly appreciated.

How do I prevent myself from perceiving violence and harm and threats?

I want to live in a utopian world, with peace, prosperity, and happiness; however somehow, negativity and crappy things/harmful things keep coming into my perception, as I perceive what other cruel Humans are doing.

please give me advice and suggestions as to how to remove ALL negativity from my perception.

thank you truly, from my heart.

best
regards

and thanks for giving a helping hand to your fellow Humans. As I am sure all appreciate it, as well as myself.


keep up the good work!
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Hi.

I'm sorry to hear of your experience. We'll try to find out what's going on.

May I ask, do you think there is negativity in your perceptions, or negativity in your interpretation?

If you are perceiving something negative would it be the same perception for everyone?
 Quoting: Chaol

Yes, there is negativity in my interpretation of when I perceive threats and perceive violence and perceive robberies and muggings.

No, I believe some people may think killing other Humans as the norm and have no empathy. so technically others would not perceive it as negative rather as selfish-good for their greedy selves.

so how do I solve those negative perceptions that somehow come into my perception without my consent?

thanks again
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Let's say you had the entire universe from which to choose whatever you wished to experience.

You then decided to focus on a very, very small part of it. For example, someone being killed in your neighborhood a few years ago. Ne'ermind the other, similar killings in other places, nor of all of the other things that exist in the universe.

You then spend 10,000 years focused on this very small part of yourself. Perhaps you think that you should focus on it because it is bad and you have compassion.

Can you then say that it comes into your perception without your consent?

Further, if someone is being mugged... where is it happening? Inside or outside of your perspective?
 Quoting: Chaol

okay, if i understand you correctly, you are telling me not to focus on the negatives. Simply remove the negativity from my life and ignore it as if it does not exist?

i should not perceive duality or polarity, rather look at everything as one, without the yin yang?

am i moving towards the right direction?
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My mother told me that this song was one of many inspirations that led her to name me Jesse. (She had a lot of Jesse "synchronicities" shortly before they (my mother and father) were considering my name.)

Could be the theme song for my life. lol
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How interesting.

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Thanks for sharing.

Then I suppose you will experience what you think you are all ready experiencing or one of you will become somewhat a different person, allowing for new life in the relationship.

Time will tell, I suppose.

Keeping someone with you through personal transition can be quite difficult (less so if they're a vital aspect of that transition).
 Quoting: Chaol


Thanks again. Do you find it "quite difficult" to maintain the relevance of what you hold "precious" while you transition? (Do you have any "tricks of the trade" you use?)

Do you think I should reconsider the way I represent her within my perspective? Perhaps "stop" fighting to "keep" her and "accept" that she's fundamental to who who and what I am (regardless of how she is represented)?

I can (fairly accurately) "assume" that I wouldn't be on your thread discussing these notions if she wasn't there to provide me an environment where my curiosity was encouraged to thrive. Then again, it's possible "something" else would have.
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


Yes.. for me, stop fighting to keep something.

Also, we often assume that the person we meet along our destination who is there for most of the way (or is 'fun', etc.) is the person who should be there when we arrive at our destination.

What you are doing to me appears to be resisting.

To be okay with any possibility is to understand that you are possibility. Otherwise you are not okay with yourself, in which case difficulties will arise.
 Quoting: Chaol


I appreciate the reminder. Thank you.
hf

The "fight" I consistently find myself in, is as a result of my (personal) resistance to (what I perceive as) her "self destructive" nature and desire for short term satisfaction that is in conflict with sustained long term satisfaction(and stability). She can be very careless and reckless (We've discussed her perspective at length and I am sure she perceives this as her being "free-spirited"). I've been told (in quasi-irrational emotionally charged arguments) I behave more like a "father" than a "husband" a few times. She perceives my resistance as an act of control (I suppose it is).

damned
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Sounds familiar. hf

I am in a marriage that is much like that. Tantrums and irrational emotional outbursts... if I leave my wife and son together alone, most of the time one of them will scream at the other in a few minutes...
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Got it now! Thanks. This could get complicated since I have 2 words I'm wanting to use. yeahsure
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The number of words is not a problem, as long as you don't confuse them.
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If I use the words out of context, how would I confuse them? Once I use them a certain way...do I always need to use them that way? Iow, once the context is set, it needs to stay the same? (So would that be same as a Genius....the symbol in a space?)

If so, then I need to remember the whole sentence and not just the word. Iow, I would always say, "Look, it's latket outside" when I use that word?
 Quoting: Unit3


You're just adding a new word to your vocabulary. Your brain will map it to something depending on how you use it.

You don't need to all ways use it in the same sentence. Just treat it as any other word.

It would help to use the words in the same way, consistently. As much as you would with any word (with one meaning) you now know.
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I'm sorry. I'm a little confused.

I can use the word out of context, but always use it in the same way out of context? I don't think I'm smart enough to do that, LOL!

Now I'm thinking it would be easier to use it in context. (thanks not-Chaol)

For example, letket = shared dreaming. So, I could just say letket (instead of saying "shared dreaming") and I think it would be easier for me to be consistent.

And since it's a made-up word, I guess it's silly enough to catch the attention of the subconscious? (I'm trying to see how made up words fulfill a Genius.)

Thanks

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Few hours left until 2013...

Chaol, could you write a summary (don't know if it's the right word) of what is happening with our world and what to expect in 2013? It's the end of the merging process?

Thank you.
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I find it interesting and (sadly) predictable that the more I focus on "keeping" my precious, the more my "genius" provides me scenarios where I have to defend my right to "keep" it.
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


I would not say that this is a test.

It seems more like resistance at work.

Do you see the two of you as different people, or the same person?

If I may ask (apologies), if she disappeared tomorrow where would that leave you?
 Quoting: Chaol


No apologies needed. I agree with you, that's why I feel it's so "(sadly) predictable". I do not see us as the same "person" but I do see her as a (primary) component of myself. If she were to disappear "tomorrow" (which I almost dread noting as I believe this is a logical possibility) I would (predictably) experience it to be a tremendous "loss". She's my "best friend", my "companion" and my "love". She's my "inspiration" and my "challenge". I would "survive", of course, and the voids created by her absence ("sudden" irrelevance) would create vacuums sucking into my experience frame a new representation for perspective to fill the voids.

In short, I imagine an experience like that would leave "me" filled with "regret". I'd most likely (start) by seeking to transition into a perspective where the symbol (I "wish"(fool myself into believing") her to be) is represented and still relative.

(thank you Chaol for humoring me)
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


I was hesitant to post about this.

Two days ago (the day of the above post), she nearly choked to death. The Heimlich wouldn't work because (the much too large to swallow chunk of roast beef) hadn't gotten into her windpipe, and was stuck in her esophagus and the pressure kept her from breathing. It was intense, and for a moment (after my attempts to get her to shoot it across the room had failed) I thought I might lose her (thought of Chaol"s question) and yelled for the other people at the restaurant to "CALL 911!" That moment, she stopped trying to breathe she was able to force it up and out. Much later that night, we got back from a club and she was eating her left-overs (a little, drunk) and it happened to her again (and she somehow got it out herself). She didn't even bother to wake me.

She even said "If I died, it'd be better for you". There is much more to the last few days, but it's all a little too personal for the web.

The thing is, after this onslaught of "final destination" style experiences, she seems to have changed her perspective (or at least the way I perceive her has changed). She's (finally) appearing to be interested in hearing my perspective.

Strange that, without overtly creating a "genius map", allowing the ideas to flow here (on this thread) have led me to what looks like something I've longed to experience for quite some time. Time will tell.
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[snips]

I find it interesting and (sadly) predictable that the more I focus on "keeping" my precious, the more my "genius" provides me scenarios where I have to defend my right to "keep" it.
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


I would not say that this is a test.

It seems more like resistance at work.

Do you see the two of you as different people, or the same person?

If I may ask (apologies), if she disappeared tomorrow where would that leave you?
 Quoting: Chaol


No apologies needed. I agree with you, that's why I feel it's so "(sadly) predictable". I do not see us as the same "person" but I do see her as a (primary) component of myself. If she were to disappear "tomorrow" (which I almost dread noting as I believe this is a logical possibility) I would (predictably) experience it to be a tremendous "loss". She's my "best friend", my "companion" and my "love". She's my "inspiration" and my "challenge". I would "survive", of course, and the voids created by her absence ("sudden" irrelevance) would create vacuums sucking into my experience frame a new representation for perspective to fill the voids.

In short, I imagine an experience like that would leave "me" filled with "regret". I'd most likely (start) by seeking to transition into a perspective where the symbol (I "wish"(fool myself into believing") her to be) is represented and still relative.

(thank you Chaol for humoring me)
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


I was hesitant to post about this.

Two days ago (the day of the above post), she nearly choked to death. The Heimlich wouldn't work because (the much too large to swallow chunk of roast beef) hadn't gotten into her windpipe, and was stuck in her esophagus and the pressure kept her from breathing. It was intense, and for a moment (after my attempts to get her to shoot it across the room had failed) I thought I might lose her (thought of Chaol"s question) and yelled for the other people at the restaurant to "CALL 911!" That moment, she stopped trying to breathe she was able to force it up and out. Much later that night, we got back from a club and she was eating her left-overs (a little, drunk) and it happened to her again (and she somehow got it out herself). She didn't even bother to wake me.

She even said "If I died, it'd be better for you". There is much more to the last few days, but it's all a little too personal for the web.

The thing is, after this onslaught of "final destination" style experiences, she seems to have changed her perspective (or at least the way I perceive her has changed). She's (finally) appearing to be interested in hearing my perspective.

Strange that, without overtly creating a "genius map", allowing the ideas to flow here (on this thread) have led me to what looks like something I've longed to experience for quite some time. Time will tell.
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Wow!
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A genius example what worked. I have more, I will post some when I have time.

I made a random symbol (think it was a stone with some cotton and paper and some bits of carpet attached) the symbol represented "a half price shop"

(thinking food shop but I wasn't specific, I just said half price shop)


I cant remember the rules I created to be honest with everyone, but I placed it inside my girlfriends hand bag (purse for americans, i think? lol) secretly without her knowing.

A few days pass and I obviously forget.

Then my girlfriend goes to buy a new bag, and she tells me just as she walked into a shop she saw the perfect one on the shop floor without a price tag, there was a lady there, my girlfriend asked if those bags were for sale, and the seller replied

"Yes, I'm just marking these ones for half price"

She told me in excitement (It really was the perfect bag) which obviously flashed me putting the symbol of a half price shop there.

The lesson I learned from this was allow your symbol to interact with that what you want it to have an effect on.

Chaol has said that before, but when you see it like that it puts a new perspective on things.

Apologies for the poorly typed post, in a rush.

Have a brilliant 2013 to all here :)

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A genius example what worked. I have more, I will post some when I have time.

I made a random symbol (think it was a stone with some cotton and paper and some bits of carpet attached) the symbol represented "a half price shop"

(thinking food shop but I wasn't specific, I just said half price shop)


I cant remember the rules I created to be honest with everyone, but I placed it inside my girlfriends hand bag (purse for americans, i think? lol) secretly without her knowing.

A few days pass and I obviously forget.

Then my girlfriend goes to buy a new bag, and she tells me just as she walked into a shop she saw the perfect one on the shop floor without a price tag, there was a lady there, my girlfriend asked if those bags were for sale, and the seller replied

"Yes, I'm just marking these ones for half price"

She told me in excitement (It really was the perfect bag) which obviously flashed me putting the symbol of a half price shop there.

The lesson I learned from this was allow your symbol to interact with that what you want it to have an effect on.

Chaol has said that before, but when you see it like that it puts a new perspective on things.

Apologies for the poorly typed post, in a rush.

Have a brilliant 2013 to all here :)
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Well this is so cute. Never would I have thought to put a symbol in someone else's things. LOL! I can't imagine finding something like what you described in my purse. heh!

I like this: allow your symbol to interact with what you want it to have an effect on. That's an easy thing to remember. Even I had luck with a screwy genius. I am loving the Olaf threads, LOL!

I'd love to hear more of your experiences with the genius when you get time. I think we all learn from each other and for me at least, it's good to go over this stuff a lot!

Happy New Year everyone. All the best for 2013!
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[snips]

I find it interesting and (sadly) predictable that the more I focus on "keeping" my precious, the more my "genius" provides me scenarios where I have to defend my right to "keep" it.
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


I would not say that this is a test.

It seems more like resistance at work.

Do you see the two of you as different people, or the same person?

If I may ask (apologies), if she disappeared tomorrow where would that leave you?
 Quoting: Chaol


No apologies needed. I agree with you, that's why I feel it's so "(sadly) predictable". I do not see us as the same "person" but I do see her as a (primary) component of myself. If she were to disappear "tomorrow" (which I almost dread noting as I believe this is a logical possibility) I would (predictably) experience it to be a tremendous "loss". She's my "best friend", my "companion" and my "love". She's my "inspiration" and my "challenge". I would "survive", of course, and the voids created by her absence ("sudden" irrelevance) would create vacuums sucking into my experience frame a new representation for perspective to fill the voids.

In short, I imagine an experience like that would leave "me" filled with "regret". I'd most likely (start) by seeking to transition into a perspective where the symbol (I "wish"(fool myself into believing") her to be) is represented and still relative.

(thank you Chaol for humoring me)
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


I was hesitant to post about this.

Two days ago (the day of the above post), she nearly choked to death. The Heimlich wouldn't work because (the much too large to swallow chunk of roast beef) hadn't gotten into her windpipe, and was stuck in her esophagus and the pressure kept her from breathing. It was intense, and for a moment (after my attempts to get her to shoot it across the room had failed) I thought I might lose her (thought of Chaol"s question) and yelled for the other people at the restaurant to "CALL 911!" That moment, she stopped trying to breathe she was able to force it up and out. Much later that night, we got back from a club and she was eating her left-overs (a little, drunk) and it happened to her again (and she somehow got it out herself). She didn't even bother to wake me.

She even said "If I died, it'd be better for you". There is much more to the last few days, but it's all a little too personal for the web.

The thing is, after this onslaught of "final destination" style experiences, she seems to have changed her perspective (or at least the way I perceive her has changed). She's (finally) appearing to be interested in hearing my perspective.

Strange that, without overtly creating a "genius map", allowing the ideas to flow here (on this thread) have led me to what looks like something I've longed to experience for quite some time. Time will tell.
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


Wow, indeed.

Jesse, I've just gotten home from the ER/ICU after my partner had a very serious health issue/life-death thing come up. Will you please post next about how it all worked out great and you got a check in the mail for a million bucks? ;) I'll keep my eye out for mine, haha!

Thanks everyone here. May 2013 be even more entertaining... Ready for that rom-com where they all live happily ever after. I got a genius on it <3
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Hi Chaol,

I want to thank you for answering all my posts. I've read the most recent ones and appreciate all you've done for me and all of us.

I'm trying to cut down on hogging this thread (tounge) so I'll try to stick with this post because it's what I'm really the most interested in.

You might remember, when I found your threads, I was already working with making my night-time dreams become my reality. I am having some success, the latest I shared in the dream thread. (You replied to the post.)
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Of course!

I am wondering what your night-time dreaming experience is, if you feel like sharing.
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I think we'll save that for an other time.

Anyway, your post above is what I am experiencing in my night-time dreams. I would like advice in how to get this into my waking experience better. (I would prefer not to have to wait 2 years for it.)
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If it is in your dreams it is all ready in your waking experience.

Unless you want to experience it the same way (from your interpretation)?

Also, if you have any advice how I can perceive this for everybody, it would be appreciated. (In my dream-time, I am also perceiving it for everybody.)

Thanks
hf

Edit: Btw, I tried to get this to happen in my waking reality by yesterday (my birthday) and now I've set it for New Year's Eve. So, anything radical that you might suggest, works for me! ;o)
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What do you mean, "...perceive it for everyone"?

Happy birthday, by the way!
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Hi.

Of your six models can you tell me which one you think could work best?

Please tell me about your symbol for it, along with the other elements (if you can).

Thanks
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Thanks, Chaol, I really appreciate the help!

The one I feel would work the best is the model that represents me driving to my new job every day and has elements as follows:

1. Symbol: champagne cork adorned with little rocks I found and wrapped with 550 paracord and has a little torn piece of my resume stuck to the bottom.

2. Possibility: I placed the symbol in the landscaping at the front of my subdivision.

3. Interaction: I drive by this everyday and many cars have to pass it going in/out of the neighborhood as well as all the commuter traffic on the main road outside the subdivision.

4. Logic: Everytime I pass by the landscaping I honk my horn and then say "jobby, jobby, jobby".
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Hi.

It would probably work better if it interacted more with your complete experience.

How much of your reality would you guess the landscaping outside of your subdivision comprises? That space as a possibly is okay but why not put the symbol in the place where you want to work?

(Also, the people inside the cars are probably not interacting with the space that much, from what I can tell.)
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Awwwww, I feel for you. I really do.

I'd like to give you some ideas. I"m not sure if they will help, but it's worth a shot.

If you quit trying to include her in this, isn't it possible she will jump right into it anyway? It could be she senses a manipulation or else your resistance is making problems.

Also, my plan was to make a bunch of $ and drop some into my husband's bank account. What would happen if once you learned to use the Genius, if you showed her the extra $500 you made with it? That might catch her attention real fast if she isn't already into it.

Another thing to consider. Chaol asked what would it be like for you, if your wife disappeared tomorrow. I also ask, what would it be like if you had to give up learning all this tomorrow?

None of us knows what's going to happen, whether we know how to use a Genius or not. I guess the difference is now, with us consciously using it, we are probably going to face guilt, fear, etc:. but in a different way than before.

In the past, when something happens that we don't like, we weren't sure why it happened. Now, we feel like we may have caused it. But, the feelings are the same, they are just in a different context. We still deal with guilt, sorrow, etc;. There seems to be no getting around it and as you know, we are drama queens.

I wish I could perceive a world where no one gets hurts. And, I'm doing my best at it, but I also accept it may not happen.

Anyway, I don't know if this helps at all. I feel for you and hope it works out. Thanks for sharing with us. I think we need to talk about these things.

Hugs!
 Quoting: Unit3


I definitely do feel responsible for my experience and the perspective I see it from. My inability to explain my perspective to her has led me down many paths (as she's revealed time and again, that I do not understand it all that well myself). Her lack of interest and distrust of the "non-physical" is rooted deeply in her choice to see her existence as temporary and purely physical.

hf
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1. If she were exactly the same as you in all respects except for this (that she did not have the same perspective as you, or could not understand your perspective) what do you think this may signify?

2. If you were talking to an other Jesse (same everything, except that you didn't 'get it') what would this bring?
 Quoting: Chaol


1. The reality of my experience. It would also allow opportunity for new experience.

2. The same as 1. because not being able to "get it" would imply an alternate perspective.

(thanks again Chaol)
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That we have someone to share our perspective is the reason we have ourselves.

Other people, of course, have other perspectives. (Rather, other aspects of our perspective.)

That there seem to be other perspectives is the reason we exist.

Combining perspectives (or wanting someone else to 'see it your way') is actually working against nature, so to speak.
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Hi.

I'm sorry to hear of your experience. We'll try to find out what's going on.

May I ask, do you think there is negativity in your perceptions, or negativity in your interpretation?

If you are perceiving something negative would it be the same perception for everyone?
 Quoting: Chaol

Yes, there is negativity in my interpretation of when I perceive threats and perceive violence and perceive robberies and muggings.

No, I believe some people may think killing other Humans as the norm and have no empathy. so technically others would not perceive it as negative rather as selfish-good for their greedy selves.

so how do I solve those negative perceptions that somehow come into my perception without my consent?

thanks again
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Let's say you had the entire universe from which to choose whatever you wished to experience.

You then decided to focus on a very, very small part of it. For example, someone being killed in your neighborhood a few years ago. Ne'ermind the other, similar killings in other places, nor of all of the other things that exist in the universe.

You then spend 10,000 years focused on this very small part of yourself. Perhaps you think that you should focus on it because it is bad and you have compassion.

Can you then say that it comes into your perception without your consent?

Further, if someone is being mugged... where is it happening? Inside or outside of your perspective?
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okay, if i understand you correctly, you are telling me not to focus on the negatives. Simply remove the negativity from my life and ignore it as if it does not exist?

i should not perceive duality or polarity, rather look at everything as one, without the yin yang?

am i moving towards the right direction?
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No, not at all.

You need not see everything as one. It's okay to perceive duality and see things as "good" while others are "bad".

It's the reason we exist. Without the illusion of "other" there is no You.

There's nothing wrong with what you are doing now. It's okay to focus on the negative of things, because actually we are then focusing on an aspect of ourselves. We seem to think that we should be perceiving the 'good' in things. It's just something we make up for ourselves.

I'm saying that every experience is as valid as every other. A 'good' experience is not better than a 'bad' experience because it is our interpretation of the two experiences that make something good or bad. Actually, the experience is neither.

In one hand I am saying there's nothing wrong with your perspective. Wanting to change it because you don't see how it works is missing the point.

As most of us would say, there's a reason behind it.

I'm guessing that it's a way for your Genius to show you that you are the things you perceive and there is no difference. It's a realization that will probably never happen for most of us. It's something that takes (in terms of the clock) a very long time to realize.

So we go through existence experiencing things that do not seem like us.

"That is not me! I am different", or

"That is bad", et c. On and on and on.

Until you realize that our perspective is you.

Things would not come into your perspective without your consent because you are your perspective, even when you don't understand that you are.

Imagine the expanse of our universe. We can safely say that we don't know anything about it. We barely know about our own planet, history, and present goings-on.

That should tell us that pretty much everything we think and believe is only good temporarily (including what you are reading now) until something more useful comes along.

We see something as separate from us, or do not understand the nature of good/evil because we simply do not understand anything at all.

The only question would be, "How useful is it?"

So the question that I ask you is how useful is the "good" and "bad" in your experience? What does it do for you?

I will await your response to the question, "If someone is being mugged... where is it happening? Inside or outside of your perspective?"
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The number of words is not a problem, as long as you don't confuse them.
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If I use the words out of context, how would I confuse them? Once I use them a certain way...do I always need to use them that way? Iow, once the context is set, it needs to stay the same? (So would that be same as a Genius....the symbol in a space?)

If so, then I need to remember the whole sentence and not just the word. Iow, I would always say, "Look, it's latket outside" when I use that word?
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You're just adding a new word to your vocabulary. Your brain will map it to something depending on how you use it.

You don't need to all ways use it in the same sentence. Just treat it as any other word.

It would help to use the words in the same way, consistently. As much as you would with any word (with one meaning) you now know.
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I'm sorry. I'm a little confused.

I can use the word out of context, but always use it in the same way out of context? I don't think I'm smart enough to do that, LOL!

Now I'm thinking it would be easier to use it in context. (thanks not-Chaol)

For example, letket = shared dreaming. So, I could just say letket (instead of saying "shared dreaming") and I think it would be easier for me to be consistent.

And since it's a made-up word, I guess it's silly enough to catch the attention of the subconscious? (I'm trying to see how made up words fulfill a Genius.)

Thanks
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Hi. I didn't answer that part of the question, so I'm not sure about the implication.

Just treat it as any other word. For a word you normally would use it in the proper context.

Same for your new word.

Yes, new words (values) are pretty fresh in perspective so the Genius pays more attention to them.

Hope this helps.
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Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.
Few hours left until 2013...

Chaol, could you write a summary (don't know if it's the right word) of what is happening with our world and what to expect in 2013? It's the end of the merging process?

Thank you.
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Simply put, you are moving away from physically-oriented perspective towards a more flexible dream-oriented perspective. (Though as I've mentioned before, the dream world is still a part of the physical world.)

The narrative for this (the "events") whether they be of the various suns in your universe, are just a way for you to make sense of it.

As I've noted on the Ecsys website this 'new' dream world emerges from 2001-2013.

So I suppose you could say that 2013 is the climax of the emergence.

It is the year when the subconscious comes out of the closet.
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I find it interesting and (sadly) predictable that the more I focus on "keeping" my precious, the more my "genius" provides me scenarios where I have to defend my right to "keep" it.
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


I would not say that this is a test.

It seems more like resistance at work.

Do you see the two of you as different people, or the same person?

If I may ask (apologies), if she disappeared tomorrow where would that leave you?
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No apologies needed. I agree with you, that's why I feel it's so "(sadly) predictable". I do not see us as the same "person" but I do see her as a (primary) component of myself. If she were to disappear "tomorrow" (which I almost dread noting as I believe this is a logical possibility) I would (predictably) experience it to be a tremendous "loss". She's my "best friend", my "companion" and my "love". She's my "inspiration" and my "challenge". I would "survive", of course, and the voids created by her absence ("sudden" irrelevance) would create vacuums sucking into my experience frame a new representation for perspective to fill the voids.

In short, I imagine an experience like that would leave "me" filled with "regret". I'd most likely (start) by seeking to transition into a perspective where the symbol (I "wish"(fool myself into believing") her to be) is represented and still relative.

(thank you Chaol for humoring me)
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


I was hesitant to post about this.

Two days ago (the day of the above post), she nearly choked to death. The Heimlich wouldn't work because (the much too large to swallow chunk of roast beef) hadn't gotten into her windpipe, and was stuck in her esophagus and the pressure kept her from breathing. It was intense, and for a moment (after my attempts to get her to shoot it across the room had failed) I thought I might lose her (thought of Chaol"s question) and yelled for the other people at the restaurant to "CALL 911!" That moment, she stopped trying to breathe she was able to force it up and out. Much later that night, we got back from a club and she was eating her left-overs (a little, drunk) and it happened to her again (and she somehow got it out herself). She didn't even bother to wake me.

She even said "If I died, it'd be better for you". There is much more to the last few days, but it's all a little too personal for the web.

The thing is, after this onslaught of "final destination" style experiences, she seems to have changed her perspective (or at least the way I perceive her has changed). She's (finally) appearing to be interested in hearing my perspective.

Strange that, without overtly creating a "genius map", allowing the ideas to flow here (on this thread) have led me to what looks like something I've longed to experience for quite some time. Time will tell.
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


Hi, Jesse.

You've had an interesting experience, it sounds like. Perhaps eye-opening.

Are you more sure or less sure about your answer to the question, "...if she disappeared tomorrow where would that leave you?"

Again, apologies.

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