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Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

 
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A genius example what worked. I have more, I will post some when I have time.

I made a random symbol (think it was a stone with some cotton and paper and some bits of carpet attached) the symbol represented "a half price shop"

(thinking food shop but I wasn't specific, I just said half price shop)


I cant remember the rules I created to be honest with everyone, but I placed it inside my girlfriends hand bag (purse for americans, i think? lol) secretly without her knowing.

A few days pass and I obviously forget.

Then my girlfriend goes to buy a new bag, and she tells me just as she walked into a shop she saw the perfect one on the shop floor without a price tag, there was a lady there, my girlfriend asked if those bags were for sale, and the seller replied

"Yes, I'm just marking these ones for half price"

She told me in excitement (It really was the perfect bag) which obviously flashed me putting the symbol of a half price shop there.

The lesson I learned from this was allow your symbol to interact with that what you want it to have an effect on.

Chaol has said that before, but when you see it like that it puts a new perspective on things.

Apologies for the poorly typed post, in a rush.

Have a brilliant 2013 to all here :)
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These posts have all been about you 'doing it yourself' to see what you are capable of doing.

It is all you.

Nice work.
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I would not say that this is a test.

It seems more like resistance at work.

Do you see the two of you as different people, or the same person?

If I may ask (apologies), if she disappeared tomorrow where would that leave you?
 Quoting: Chaol


No apologies needed. I agree with you, that's why I feel it's so "(sadly) predictable". I do not see us as the same "person" but I do see her as a (primary) component of myself. If she were to disappear "tomorrow" (which I almost dread noting as I believe this is a logical possibility) I would (predictably) experience it to be a tremendous "loss". She's my "best friend", my "companion" and my "love". She's my "inspiration" and my "challenge". I would "survive", of course, and the voids created by her absence ("sudden" irrelevance) would create vacuums sucking into my experience frame a new representation for perspective to fill the voids.

In short, I imagine an experience like that would leave "me" filled with "regret". I'd most likely (start) by seeking to transition into a perspective where the symbol (I "wish"(fool myself into believing") her to be) is represented and still relative.

(thank you Chaol for humoring me)
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


I was hesitant to post about this.

Two days ago (the day of the above post), she nearly choked to death. The Heimlich wouldn't work because (the much too large to swallow chunk of roast beef) hadn't gotten into her windpipe, and was stuck in her esophagus and the pressure kept her from breathing. It was intense, and for a moment (after my attempts to get her to shoot it across the room had failed) I thought I might lose her (thought of Chaol"s question) and yelled for the other people at the restaurant to "CALL 911!" That moment, she stopped trying to breathe she was able to force it up and out. Much later that night, we got back from a club and she was eating her left-overs (a little, drunk) and it happened to her again (and she somehow got it out herself). She didn't even bother to wake me.

She even said "If I died, it'd be better for you". There is much more to the last few days, but it's all a little too personal for the web.

The thing is, after this onslaught of "final destination" style experiences, she seems to have changed her perspective (or at least the way I perceive her has changed). She's (finally) appearing to be interested in hearing my perspective.

Strange that, without overtly creating a "genius map", allowing the ideas to flow here (on this thread) have led me to what looks like something I've longed to experience for quite some time. Time will tell.
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


Wow, indeed.

Jesse, I've just gotten home from the ER/ICU after my partner had a very serious health issue/life-death thing come up. Will you please post next about how it all worked out great and you got a check in the mail for a million bucks? ;) I'll keep my eye out for mine, haha!

Thanks everyone here. May 2013 be even more entertaining... Ready for that rom-com where they all live happily ever after. I got a genius on it <3
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Everyone on this thread may have similar experiences.

This is 2013, after all.

Are you ready?

This is it.

If a change in perspective scares you, there's nothing wrong with that. You need not change your perspective for anything. You have all of eternity to that.

How you are living, perceiving, doing, right now is perfectly fine. There is nothing else to do right now.

By participating in this thread, we can only assume that you are ready for the change.

So we will work together on a change of perspective that suits your intentions (you decide).

Enjoy the ride!

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Hi Chaol,

How are you traveling to other countries etc. Do you work here? How did you get ID and stuff if your not from this world?
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Sorry if this has already been asked, but how did you discover us? And when you say everything is about making relationships, how did you go about making the first relationship to our "universe", etc?
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Hi Chaol,

How are you traveling to other countries etc. Do you work here? How did you get ID and stuff if your not from this world?
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Hi.

I usually just get on a plane, nothing unusual. Interaction is important. If we just "teleported" everywhere then there'd be less of certain types of interaction.

This is my world, too, so it's not difficult to be the same as anyone else.
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Sorry if this has already been asked, but how did you discover us? And when you say everything is about making relationships, how did you go about making the first relationship to our "universe", etc?
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Your world is as much a part of my world as your dream world is to your world.

Our worlds are closely related, so discovery isn't an issue.
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People are obsessed with Vampire movies right now. Is there a world where they exist, sorry about the trivial questions now.

I would like to learn more on manifesting reality.
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People are obsessed with Vampire movies right now. Is there a world where they exist, sorry about the trivial questions now.
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Not that I know of. It's more of an interpretation of aspects of human nature rather than an illustration of alien life.

Most of what is seen in science fiction and fantasy are closer to home than not.

I would like to learn more on manifesting reality.
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Do you think you're doing it now?
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The significance of 2012 is that it's pretty close to 2013.

Things start getting kinda hot in about 2 years and 2 months from now.
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It's right about now. What's gonna happen?
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The significance of 2012 is that it's pretty close to 2013.

Things start getting kinda hot in about 2 years and 2 months from now.
 Quoting: Chaol


It's right about now. What's gonna happen?
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Nothing that isn't all ready happening.

2 years and 2 months from 01/26/2011 would bring us to about April, which is quite near so I guess we'll know soon enough.
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Happy new year to everyone on this thread. I am ready for the ride Chaol! Let's do this!

hf
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Happy new year. 2013 is sure to be entertaining for the enterprising minds among us.

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Hi.

It would probably work better if it interacted more with your complete experience.

How much of your reality would you guess the landscaping outside of your subdivision comprises? That space as a possibly is okay but why not put the symbol in the place where you want to work?

(Also, the people inside the cars are probably not interacting with the space that much, from what I can tell.)
 Quoting: Chaol


Chaol, thanks for the advice. I'd like your input on this other model I made that I consider failed as the first company I made it for barred me from employment because of a close family member that works for the same company in an other city...I still can't figure out where it went wrong:

Genius Model: Getting a specific position with a particular company.

1. Symbol- a metal wiring wrapped around/stuck in a wine stopper with a toothpick stuck on top and a piece of a flower glued to the side. And a toll-road ticket attached to the side of the stopper.

2. Possibility- on top of my main dresser-drawer in my bedroom.

3. Interaction- everything in my room (it is set so that it has the highest vantage point of any thing in the room.

3. Logic- Each night before I go to bed I grab the wire 'handle' I made and say the name of the company 3 times. Each time I walk into my room I flick the toll ticket. Every morning I tear of a piece of paper and write a letter of the company's name on it and stick it onto the toothpick.

After the first company was completely spelled out, I got notice that I couldn't work there...but I still kept up with the model (just changed the company I wanted).

Help!? Thanks!
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I would not say that this is a test.

It seems more like resistance at work.

Do you see the two of you as different people, or the same person?

If I may ask (apologies), if she disappeared tomorrow where would that leave you?
 Quoting: Chaol


No apologies needed. I agree with you, that's why I feel it's so "(sadly) predictable". I do not see us as the same "person" but I do see her as a (primary) component of myself. If she were to disappear "tomorrow" (which I almost dread noting as I believe this is a logical possibility) I would (predictably) experience it to be a tremendous "loss". She's my "best friend", my "companion" and my "love". She's my "inspiration" and my "challenge". I would "survive", of course, and the voids created by her absence ("sudden" irrelevance) would create vacuums sucking into my experience frame a new representation for perspective to fill the voids.

In short, I imagine an experience like that would leave "me" filled with "regret". I'd most likely (start) by seeking to transition into a perspective where the symbol (I "wish"(fool myself into believing") her to be) is represented and still relative.

(thank you Chaol for humoring me)
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


I was hesitant to post about this.

Two days ago (the day of the above post), she nearly choked to death. The Heimlich wouldn't work because (the much too large to swallow chunk of roast beef) hadn't gotten into her windpipe, and was stuck in her esophagus and the pressure kept her from breathing. It was intense, and for a moment (after my attempts to get her to shoot it across the room had failed) I thought I might lose her (thought of Chaol"s question) and yelled for the other people at the restaurant to "CALL 911!" That moment, she stopped trying to breathe she was able to force it up and out. Much later that night, we got back from a club and she was eating her left-overs (a little, drunk) and it happened to her again (and she somehow got it out herself). She didn't even bother to wake me.

She even said "If I died, it'd be better for you". There is much more to the last few days, but it's all a little too personal for the web.

The thing is, after this onslaught of "final destination" style experiences, she seems to have changed her perspective (or at least the way I perceive her has changed). She's (finally) appearing to be interested in hearing my perspective.

Strange that, without overtly creating a "genius map", allowing the ideas to flow here (on this thread) have led me to what looks like something I've longed to experience for quite some time. Time will tell.
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


Hi, Jesse.

You've had an interesting experience, it sounds like. Perhaps eye-opening.

Are you more sure or less sure about your answer to the question, "...if she disappeared tomorrow where would that leave you?"

Again, apologies.
 Quoting: Chaol


I am not sure if I really understand the question anymore (I suppose, now, it doesn't make sense). Every moment disappears as the next comes into focus. In the same way, the person that I had perceived my wife to be, has disappeared and I believe I have a better focus on her.

As the ball dropped and the clock ticked over to 2013, she said "new years resolution, this year I will not be careless". I resolved to "be more understanding".

We hosted a great 2013 New years party last night. Nothing went "wrong" and it looks like there are wonderful curiosities looming on the horizon.
Nothing is irrelevant.
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Hi Chaol,

I want to thank you for answering all my posts. I've read the most recent ones and appreciate all you've done for me and all of us.

I'm trying to cut down on hogging this thread (tounge) so I'll try to stick with this post because it's what I'm really the most interested in.

You might remember, when I found your threads, I was already working with making my night-time dreams become my reality. I am having some success, the latest I shared in the dream thread. (You replied to the post.)
 Quoting: Unit3


Of course!

I am wondering what your night-time dreaming experience is, if you feel like sharing.
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I think we'll save that for an other time.

Anyway, your post above is what I am experiencing in my night-time dreams. I would like advice in how to get this into my waking experience better. (I would prefer not to have to wait 2 years for it.)
 Quoting: Unit3


If it is in your dreams it is all ready in your waking experience.

Unless you want to experience it the same way (from your interpretation)?

Also, if you have any advice how I can perceive this for everybody, it would be appreciated. (In my dream-time, I am also perceiving it for everybody.)

Thanks
hf

Edit: Btw, I tried to get this to happen in my waking reality by yesterday (my birthday) and now I've set it for New Year's Eve. So, anything radical that you might suggest, works for me! ;o)
 Quoting: Unit3


What do you mean, "...perceive it for everyone"?

Happy birthday, by the way!
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OK, we'll save your dream experiences for another time even though you really have my curiosity now. Sometimes I sure wish we weren't limited to a public forum. ;o) My hope is to make my virtual reality world my waking world pretty soon.

Yes, I desire my interpretation of my dream experience to be in my waking experience...and not just for me but for everybody.

What I mean is I want to experience myself and the world I see, living this way.

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Yes, there is negativity in my interpretation of when I perceive threats and perceive violence and perceive robberies and muggings.

No, I believe some people may think killing other Humans as the norm and have no empathy. so technically others would not perceive it as negative rather as selfish-good for their greedy selves.

so how do I solve those negative perceptions that somehow come into my perception without my consent?

thanks again
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Let's say you had the entire universe from which to choose whatever you wished to experience.

You then decided to focus on a very, very small part of it. For example, someone being killed in your neighborhood a few years ago. Ne'ermind the other, similar killings in other places, nor of all of the other things that exist in the universe.

You then spend 10,000 years focused on this very small part of yourself. Perhaps you think that you should focus on it because it is bad and you have compassion.

Can you then say that it comes into your perception without your consent?

Further, if someone is being mugged... where is it happening? Inside or outside of your perspective?
 Quoting: Chaol

okay, if i understand you correctly, you are telling me not to focus on the negatives. Simply remove the negativity from my life and ignore it as if it does not exist?

i should not perceive duality or polarity, rather look at everything as one, without the yin yang?

am i moving towards the right direction?
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No, not at all.

You need not see everything as one. It's okay to perceive duality and see things as "good" while others are "bad".

It's the reason we exist. Without the illusion of "other" there is no You.

There's nothing wrong with what you are doing now. It's okay to focus on the negative of things, because actually we are then focusing on an aspect of ourselves. We seem to think that we should be perceiving the 'good' in things. It's just something we make up for ourselves.

I'm saying that every experience is as valid as every other. A 'good' experience is not better than a 'bad' experience because it is our interpretation of the two experiences that make something good or bad. Actually, the experience is neither.

In one hand I am saying there's nothing wrong with your perspective. Wanting to change it because you don't see how it works is missing the point.

As most of us would say, there's a reason behind it.

I'm guessing that it's a way for your Genius to show you that you are the things you perceive and there is no difference. It's a realization that will probably never happen for most of us. It's something that takes (in terms of the clock) a very long time to realize.

So we go through existence experiencing things that do not seem like us.

"That is not me! I am different", or

"That is bad", et c. On and on and on.

Until you realize that our perspective is you.

Things would not come into your perspective without your consent because you are your perspective, even when you don't understand that you are.

Imagine the expanse of our universe. We can safely say that we don't know anything about it. We barely know about our own planet, history, and present goings-on.

That should tell us that pretty much everything we think and believe is only good temporarily (including what you are reading now) until something more useful comes along.

We see something as separate from us, or do not understand the nature of good/evil because we simply do not understand anything at all.

The only question would be, "How useful is it?"

So the question that I ask you is how useful is the "good" and "bad" in your experience? What does it do for you?

I will await your response to the question, "If someone is being mugged... where is it happening? Inside or outside of your perspective?"
 Quoting: Chaol



Hi Chaol,

I bolded 2 of your statements above. My questions are:

1) It sounds like you feel the Genius teaches us. So how does the subconscious have more of a commitment to Truth than the conscious part of ourselves?

2) Is there always a split between conscious self and the subconscious?

3) Why do you feel the realization that we are all we perceive something that may never happen for most of us? Do you have this realization?

4) One last question re: one of my Genius maps. I went out today, as usual, with 5 symbols in my hand. One of the places I needed to deliver them was closed. So, at first, I was going to keep them in my hand until I got home, but that got tiresome, so I stuck them in my purse.

I figure I now have to make new symbols to replace these, so what do I do with the old symbols now? I can separate some of them and I could burn the paper ones. Otherwise, I don't know how to dispose of them. Or, does it not matter what I do with them once I make the new symbols to replace them?

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Hi.

It would probably work better if it interacted more with your complete experience.

How much of your reality would you guess the landscaping outside of your subdivision comprises? That space as a possibly is okay but why not put the symbol in the place where you want to work?

(Also, the people inside the cars are probably not interacting with the space that much, from what I can tell.)
 Quoting: Chaol


Chaol, thanks for the advice. I'd like your input on this other model I made that I consider failed as the first company I made it for barred me from employment because of a close family member that works for the same company in an other city...I still can't figure out where it went wrong:

Genius Model: Getting a specific position with a particular company.

1. Symbol- a metal wiring wrapped around/stuck in a wine stopper with a toothpick stuck on top and a piece of a flower glued to the side. And a toll-road ticket attached to the side of the stopper.

2. Possibility- on top of my main dresser-drawer in my bedroom.

3. Interaction- everything in my room (it is set so that it has the highest vantage point of any thing in the room.

3. Logic- Each night before I go to bed I grab the wire 'handle' I made and say the name of the company 3 times. Each time I walk into my room I flick the toll ticket. Every morning I tear of a piece of paper and write a letter of the company's name on it and stick it onto the toothpick.

After the first company was completely spelled out, I got notice that I couldn't work there...but I still kept up with the model (just changed the company I wanted).

Help!? Thanks!
 Quoting: X Won 1407931


A few questions, first... do you think that the bolded part above is an illustration of your Genius making the map more obvious to you?

For your interaction element, how did your symbol interact?

Also, I would suggest not making it something specific (as we've discussed before) but making it something that represents your wish. [This I see as the main issue]

For example, instead of "Getting a specific position with a particular company", try, "walking to my office at Plxxxx"

Hope this helps.
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No apologies needed. I agree with you, that's why I feel it's so "(sadly) predictable". I do not see us as the same "person" but I do see her as a (primary) component of myself. If she were to disappear "tomorrow" (which I almost dread noting as I believe this is a logical possibility) I would (predictably) experience it to be a tremendous "loss". She's my "best friend", my "companion" and my "love". She's my "inspiration" and my "challenge". I would "survive", of course, and the voids created by her absence ("sudden" irrelevance) would create vacuums sucking into my experience frame a new representation for perspective to fill the voids.

In short, I imagine an experience like that would leave "me" filled with "regret". I'd most likely (start) by seeking to transition into a perspective where the symbol (I "wish"(fool myself into believing") her to be) is represented and still relative.

(thank you Chaol for humoring me)
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


I was hesitant to post about this.

Two days ago (the day of the above post), she nearly choked to death. The Heimlich wouldn't work because (the much too large to swallow chunk of roast beef) hadn't gotten into her windpipe, and was stuck in her esophagus and the pressure kept her from breathing. It was intense, and for a moment (after my attempts to get her to shoot it across the room had failed) I thought I might lose her (thought of Chaol"s question) and yelled for the other people at the restaurant to "CALL 911!" That moment, she stopped trying to breathe she was able to force it up and out. Much later that night, we got back from a club and she was eating her left-overs (a little, drunk) and it happened to her again (and she somehow got it out herself). She didn't even bother to wake me.

She even said "If I died, it'd be better for you". There is much more to the last few days, but it's all a little too personal for the web.

The thing is, after this onslaught of "final destination" style experiences, she seems to have changed her perspective (or at least the way I perceive her has changed). She's (finally) appearing to be interested in hearing my perspective.

Strange that, without overtly creating a "genius map", allowing the ideas to flow here (on this thread) have led me to what looks like something I've longed to experience for quite some time. Time will tell.
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


Hi, Jesse.

You've had an interesting experience, it sounds like. Perhaps eye-opening.

Are you more sure or less sure about your answer to the question, "...if she disappeared tomorrow where would that leave you?"

Again, apologies.
 Quoting: Chaol


I am not sure if I really understand the question anymore (I suppose, now, it doesn't make sense). Every moment disappears as the next comes into focus. In the same way, the person that I had perceived my wife to be, has disappeared and I believe I have a better focus on her.

As the ball dropped and the clock ticked over to 2013, she said "new years resolution, this year I will not be careless". I resolved to "be more understanding".

We hosted a great 2013 New years party last night. Nothing went "wrong" and it looks like there are wonderful curiosities looming on the horizon.
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


I don't want to be too specific on this forum, but my question was more of, "If she died, would you die too?"

But as you mentioned you are on the other side of the fence, so to speak. Possibilities abound :)
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Hi Chaol,

I want to thank you for answering all my posts. I've read the most recent ones and appreciate all you've done for me and all of us.

I'm trying to cut down on hogging this thread (tounge) so I'll try to stick with this post because it's what I'm really the most interested in.

You might remember, when I found your threads, I was already working with making my night-time dreams become my reality. I am having some success, the latest I shared in the dream thread. (You replied to the post.)
 Quoting: Unit3


Of course!

I am wondering what your night-time dreaming experience is, if you feel like sharing.
 Quoting: Unit3


I think we'll save that for an other time.

Anyway, your post above is what I am experiencing in my night-time dreams. I would like advice in how to get this into my waking experience better. (I would prefer not to have to wait 2 years for it.)
 Quoting: Unit3


If it is in your dreams it is all ready in your waking experience.

Unless you want to experience it the same way (from your interpretation)?

Also, if you have any advice how I can perceive this for everybody, it would be appreciated. (In my dream-time, I am also perceiving it for everybody.)

Thanks
hf

Edit: Btw, I tried to get this to happen in my waking reality by yesterday (my birthday) and now I've set it for New Year's Eve. So, anything radical that you might suggest, works for me! ;o)
 Quoting: Unit3


What do you mean, "...perceive it for everyone"?

Happy birthday, by the way!
 Quoting: Chaol

OK, we'll save your dream experiences for another time even though you really have my curiosity now. Sometimes I sure wish we weren't limited to a public forum. ;o) My hope is to make my virtual reality world my waking world pretty soon.

Yes, I desire my interpretation of my dream experience to be in my waking experience...and not just for me but for everybody.

What I mean is I want to experience myself and the world I see, living this way.
 Quoting: Unit3


Your world is my dream experience. My world is yours. (Sometimes you guys are all over the place but usually you're somewhere in my world.) But I suppose we'll go into more detail at an other time.

Your dream interpretation is, by nature, different from your waking interpretation of the same experience.

Aren't you everybody? But why would you want the other things in your perspective to experience your perspective?
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Let's say you had the entire universe from which to choose whatever you wished to experience.

You then decided to focus on a very, very small part of it. For example, someone being killed in your neighborhood a few years ago. Ne'ermind the other, similar killings in other places, nor of all of the other things that exist in the universe.

You then spend 10,000 years focused on this very small part of yourself. Perhaps you think that you should focus on it because it is bad and you have compassion.

Can you then say that it comes into your perception without your consent?

Further, if someone is being mugged... where is it happening? Inside or outside of your perspective?
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okay, if i understand you correctly, you are telling me not to focus on the negatives. Simply remove the negativity from my life and ignore it as if it does not exist?

i should not perceive duality or polarity, rather look at everything as one, without the yin yang?

am i moving towards the right direction?
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No, not at all.

You need not see everything as one. It's okay to perceive duality and see things as "good" while others are "bad".

It's the reason we exist. Without the illusion of "other" there is no You.

There's nothing wrong with what you are doing now. It's okay to focus on the negative of things, because actually we are then focusing on an aspect of ourselves. We seem to think that we should be perceiving the 'good' in things. It's just something we make up for ourselves.

I'm saying that every experience is as valid as every other. A 'good' experience is not better than a 'bad' experience because it is our interpretation of the two experiences that make something good or bad. Actually, the experience is neither.

In one hand I am saying there's nothing wrong with your perspective. Wanting to change it because you don't see how it works is missing the point.

As most of us would say, there's a reason behind it.

I'm guessing that it's a way for your Genius to show you that you are the things you perceive and there is no difference. It's a realization that will probably never happen for most of us. It's something that takes (in terms of the clock) a very long time to realize.

So we go through existence experiencing things that do not seem like us.

"That is not me! I am different", or

"That is bad", et c. On and on and on.

Until you realize that our perspective is you.

Things would not come into your perspective without your consent because you are your perspective, even when you don't understand that you are.

Imagine the expanse of our universe. We can safely say that we don't know anything about it. We barely know about our own planet, history, and present goings-on.

That should tell us that pretty much everything we think and believe is only good temporarily (including what you are reading now) until something more useful comes along.

We see something as separate from us, or do not understand the nature of good/evil because we simply do not understand anything at all.

The only question would be, "How useful is it?"

So the question that I ask you is how useful is the "good" and "bad" in your experience? What does it do for you?

I will await your response to the question, "If someone is being mugged... where is it happening? Inside or outside of your perspective?"
 Quoting: Chaol



Hi Chaol,

I bolded 2 of your statements above. My questions are:

1) It sounds like you feel the Genius teaches us. So how does the subconscious have more of a commitment to Truth than the conscious part of ourselves?

2) Is there always a split between conscious self and the subconscious?

3) Why do you feel the realization that we are all we perceive something that may never happen for most of us? Do you have this realization?

4) One last question re: one of my Genius maps. I went out today, as usual, with 5 symbols in my hand. One of the places I needed to deliver them was closed. So, at first, I was going to keep them in my hand until I got home, but that got tiresome, so I stuck them in my purse.

I figure I now have to make new symbols to replace these, so what do I do with the old symbols now? I can separate some of them and I could burn the paper ones. Otherwise, I don't know how to dispose of them. Or, does it not matter what I do with them once I make the new symbols to replace them?

Thanks
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hi.

1) No, not 'teaching' per se. It's more of the way things work rather than a lesson. The more you 'split' this concept of You in your perspective the more attraction/repulsion will be experienced, and the drama of life comes out of this.

As I've mentioned before, Truth is irrelevant.

2)There is no real split. There's only the illusion of it. The conscious is an aspect of the subconscious. (But from our perspective it seems different.) They are essentially the same thing. But for purposes of explanation I almost all ways call them out separately.

3) Because we don't want to realize it. It goes against nature. There's nothing wrong with understanding that you are (and we often pretend we do because we inherently understand this). But the more we understand something the more it is possible that we realize that we are nothing-in-particular. And that's frightening.

I don't care for the realization that I am everything. It's kind of boring, in my opinion. I'd much rather divide my perspective and create drama, and forget.

4) If "One of the places I needed to deliver them was closed" then I suppose you missed where you were supposed to put it ;) This is an example of how we usually think we know what's best but when the Genius is 'showing' us the map we tend to ignore it.

You need not make new symbols. They're still valid (as long as the intention wasn't specific to the place that you will no longer put them).
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A few questions, first... do you think that the bolded part above is an illustration of your Genius making the map more obvious to you?

For your interaction element, how did your symbol interact?

Also, I would suggest not making it something specific (as we've discussed before) but making it something that represents your wish. [This I see as the main issue]

For example, instead of "Getting a specific position with a particular company", try, "walking to my office at Plxxxx"

Hope this helps.
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As to interaction, other than being in the same environment as everything in my bedroom, there is no special 'interaction' taking place. It is stationary.

Yes, I can see how it would be making the map more obvious in one way; although, in an other way I see it as a failed Genius because that particular model was for that particular company position for which I was barred. However, our discussion on this has helped me to see that I have been confusing my Genius's (Genii??). I know some of my earliest Models for the new job contradicted themselves. I have my subconscious twisting fits. I need to start a new.

This brings up a question as to whether we need do anything 'special' when discarding previous Models. Do I just abandon the Model, or what?

I will make a new Model tomorrow with a less specific desired intent. As all ways, thanks so much for all your help.

And happy New Year to all here. It's going to bee a crazy awesome 2013!!
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A few questions, first... do you think that the bolded part above is an illustration of your Genius making the map more obvious to you?

For your interaction element, how did your symbol interact?

Also, I would suggest not making it something specific (as we've discussed before) but making it something that represents your wish. [This I see as the main issue]

For example, instead of "Getting a specific position with a particular company", try, "walking to my office at Plxxxx"

Hope this helps.
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As to interaction, other than being in the same environment as everything in my bedroom, there is no special 'interaction' taking place. It is stationary.

Yes, I can see how it would be making the map more obvious in one way; although, in an other way I see it as a failed Genius because that particular model was for that particular company position for which I was barred. However, our discussion on this has helped me to see that I have been confusing my Genius's (Genii??). I know some of my earliest Models for the new job contradicted themselves. I have my subconscious twisting fits. I need to start a new.

This brings up a question as to whether we need do anything 'special' when discarding previous Models. Do I just abandon the Model, or what?

I will make a new Model tomorrow with a less specific desired intent. As all ways, thanks so much for all your help.

And happy New Year to all here. It's going to bee a crazy awesome 2013!!
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There's no need for the symbol to interact with your environment, but it would really help.

You can start with 1 good Genius model.

When discarding a symbol you can just toss it or dismantle it. No need to do anything special. The power is in your perspective rather than the symbol itself.

hehe.. your models were fighting
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I walked into the room where my housemate was watching her tv tonight. The commercial that was on caught my eye. It was amazing.

It's a Cartier, 3 minute commercial and their blurb: "a journey between dream and reality."

So, not only was it fascinating (and commercials are usually 30 seconds), but the scene that was playing when I walked in was almost exactly what I read LAST NIGHT in the syfy book I'm reading. Heh!

Oh yes, dreamtime and reality are definitely becoming the same. Yay! (Sometimes, I don't know if something I read came from reading a post here or from reading something in dreamtime!)

Anyway, here's the link:



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okay, if i understand you correctly, you are telling me not to focus on the negatives. Simply remove the negativity from my life and ignore it as if it does not exist?

i should not perceive duality or polarity, rather look at everything as one, without the yin yang?

am i moving towards the right direction?
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No, not at all.

You need not see everything as one. It's okay to perceive duality and see things as "good" while others are "bad".

It's the reason we exist. Without the illusion of "other" there is no You.

There's nothing wrong with what you are doing now. It's okay to focus on the negative of things, because actually we are then focusing on an aspect of ourselves. We seem to think that we should be perceiving the 'good' in things. It's just something we make up for ourselves.

I'm saying that every experience is as valid as every other. A 'good' experience is not better than a 'bad' experience because it is our interpretation of the two experiences that make something good or bad. Actually, the experience is neither.

In one hand I am saying there's nothing wrong with your perspective. Wanting to change it because you don't see how it works is missing the point.

As most of us would say, there's a reason behind it.

I'm guessing that it's a way for your Genius to show you that you are the things you perceive and there is no difference. It's a realization that will probably never happen for most of us. It's something that takes (in terms of the clock) a very long time to realize.

So we go through existence experiencing things that do not seem like us.

"That is not me! I am different", or

"That is bad", et c. On and on and on.

Until you realize that our perspective is you.

Things would not come into your perspective without your consent because you are your perspective, even when you don't understand that you are.

Imagine the expanse of our universe. We can safely say that we don't know anything about it. We barely know about our own planet, history, and present goings-on.

That should tell us that pretty much everything we think and believe is only good temporarily (including what you are reading now) until something more useful comes along.

We see something as separate from us, or do not understand the nature of good/evil because we simply do not understand anything at all.

The only question would be, "How useful is it?"

So the question that I ask you is how useful is the "good" and "bad" in your experience? What does it do for you?

I will await your response to the question, "If someone is being mugged... where is it happening? Inside or outside of your perspective?"
 Quoting: Chaol



Hi Chaol,

I bolded 2 of your statements above. My questions are:

1) It sounds like you feel the Genius teaches us. So how does the subconscious have more of a commitment to Truth than the conscious part of ourselves?

2) Is there always a split between conscious self and the subconscious?

3) Why do you feel the realization that we are all we perceive something that may never happen for most of us? Do you have this realization?

4) One last question re: one of my Genius maps. I went out today, as usual, with 5 symbols in my hand. One of the places I needed to deliver them was closed. So, at first, I was going to keep them in my hand until I got home, but that got tiresome, so I stuck them in my purse.

I figure I now have to make new symbols to replace these, so what do I do with the old symbols now? I can separate some of them and I could burn the paper ones. Otherwise, I don't know how to dispose of them. Or, does it not matter what I do with them once I make the new symbols to replace them?

Thanks
 Quoting: Unit3


hi.

1) No, not 'teaching' per se. It's more of the way things work rather than a lesson. The more you 'split' this concept of You in your perspective the more attraction/repulsion will be experienced, and the drama of life comes out of this.

As I've mentioned before, Truth is irrelevant.

2)There is no real split. There's only the illusion of it. The conscious is an aspect of the subconscious. (But from our perspective it seems different.) They are essentially the same thing. But for purposes of explanation I almost all ways call them out separately.

3) Because we don't want to realize it. It goes against nature. There's nothing wrong with understanding that you are (and we often pretend we do because we inherently understand this). But the more we understand something the more it is possible that we realize that we are nothing-in-particular. And that's frightening.

I don't care for the realization that I am everything. It's kind of boring, in my opinion. I'd much rather divide my perspective and create drama, and forget.

4) If "One of the places I needed to deliver them was closed" then I suppose you missed where you were supposed to put it ;) This is an example of how we usually think we know what's best but when the Genius is 'showing' us the map we tend to ignore it.

You need not make new symbols. They're still valid (as long as the intention wasn't specific to the place that you will no longer put them).
 Quoting: Chaol



The place that was closed is the same place I go every week with the same symbols. So, for about a month (or maybe just a little longer), I've left the symbols in various, specified places there. And, I leave them there every week. I knew there was a 50/50 chance the place would be closed because it was New Year's Day, but I was too lazy to call ahead to check on their holiday hours. Heh!

It wasn't until I was there, with my symbols in my hand, and saw that it was closed, that I realized I didn't know what to do with the symbols.

I was able to leave one symbol there because it goes just outside the door. The rest, I had to keep with me because I didn't want to put them in a different space and they are specific for the space at this building. So, I suppose I'll just make new ones now?

Very interesting statement, Chaol:

"I don't care for the realization that I am everything. It's kind of boring, in my opinion. I'd much rather divide my perspective and create drama, and forget."


A lot of our "spiritual" teachers here (including my husband), believe the realization that "I am everything" is the ultimate Truth. But, he gets VERY bored, LOL! I mean, really, really bored. And, as much as he does not care for drama, he is very good at having it in his life, I must say.

So, how does one realize their oneness with everything? I'd like to see how you do it because here, it takes quite a bit of work. (I've told you about it in the other thread.) Edit: I got the link for the post where we talked about some of the spiritual teachings in this world, in case you want to see it.
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Hi Chaol,

I want to thank you for answering all my posts. I've read the most recent ones and appreciate all you've done for me and all of us.

I'm trying to cut down on hogging this thread (tounge) so I'll try to stick with this post because it's what I'm really the most interested in.

You might remember, when I found your threads, I was already working with making my night-time dreams become my reality. I am having some success, the latest I shared in the dream thread. (You replied to the post.)
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Of course!

I am wondering what your night-time dreaming experience is, if you feel like sharing.
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I think we'll save that for an other time.

Anyway, your post above is what I am experiencing in my night-time dreams. I would like advice in how to get this into my waking experience better. (I would prefer not to have to wait 2 years for it.)
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If it is in your dreams it is all ready in your waking experience.

Unless you want to experience it the same way (from your interpretation)?

Also, if you have any advice how I can perceive this for everybody, it would be appreciated. (In my dream-time, I am also perceiving it for everybody.)

Thanks
hf

Edit: Btw, I tried to get this to happen in my waking reality by yesterday (my birthday) and now I've set it for New Year's Eve. So, anything radical that you might suggest, works for me! ;o)
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What do you mean, "...perceive it for everyone"?

Happy birthday, by the way!
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OK, we'll save your dream experiences for another time even though you really have my curiosity now. Sometimes I sure wish we weren't limited to a public forum. ;o) My hope is to make my virtual reality world my waking world pretty soon.

Yes, I desire my interpretation of my dream experience to be in my waking experience...and not just for me but for everybody.

What I mean is I want to experience myself and the world I see, living this way.
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Your world is my dream experience. My world is yours. (Sometimes you guys are all over the place but usually you're somewhere in my world.) But I suppose we'll go into more detail at an other time.

Your dream interpretation is, by nature, different from your waking interpretation of the same experience.

Aren't you everybody? But why would you want the other things in your perspective to experience your perspective?
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Man, then I LOVE your world because I LOVE my dreams! They are awesome! That's why I've been working on manifesting them in my waking experience.

Well, that's interesting that the dream and waking are the same experience and just different interpretations. Hmmmmm! Can you explain why this is? And how do I change my interpretations, by using a Genius?

Why do I want others in my perspective to experience it? Because it's AWESOME and I want others to have that. And I would like to live in a world where everyone (and yes, I'm everybody) feels this! I think a world where this kind of realization is the springboard for everything else would be amazing.

But, I don't see everyone feeling it except in my night time dreams. (My night time dreams are way better than my waking life.)

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The significance of 2012 is that it's pretty close to 2013.

Things start getting kinda hot in about 2 years and 2 months from now.
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It's right about now. What's gonna happen?
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Nothing that isn't all ready happening.

2 years and 2 months from 01/26/2011 would bring us to about April, which is quite near so I guess we'll know soon enough.
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That's interesting as that's around when things are supposed to really start to come apart in the US according to "DHS insider", at least. [link to www.shtfplan.com]

Any connection, or are you referring to different events?

And on an unrelated note, where should I begin with all the ecsys stuff, I followed your thread a little bit in 2011, but I only really skimmed through, and I'm not really sure where to begin again. Should I just start at the ecsys.org site, or are there any specific posts I should look at, or does it really matter what I read first?

I'd like to catch up to where most of the other participants in the thread are :)
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I don't want to be too specific on this forum, but my question was more of, "If she died, would you die too?"

But as you mentioned you are on the other side of the fence, so to speak. Possibilities abound :)
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ok, good. That is how I interpreted your question. Thank you Chaol.

Of course I would die too. The person I would have been would have died to allow the person (perspective) I am to come into focus.

In a way this has already happened, just from an "objective" perspective we are both "not dead".

Thanks again, oh destroyer of worlds.
hf
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I don't want to be too specific on this forum, but my question was more of, "If she died, would you die too?"

But as you mentioned you are on the other side of the fence, so to speak. Possibilities abound :)
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ok, good. That is how I interpreted your question. Thank you Chaol.

Of course I would die too. The person I would have been would have died to allow the person (perspective) I am to come into focus.

In a way this has already happened, just from an "objective" perspective we are both "not dead".

Thanks again, oh destroyer of worlds.
hf
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Awesome explanation Jesse. Thanks!
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Everyone on this thread may have similar experiences.

This is 2013, after all.

Are you ready?

This is it.

If a change in perspective scares you, there's nothing wrong with that. You need not change your perspective for anything. You have all of eternity to that.

How you are living, perceiving, doing, right now is perfectly fine. There is nothing else to do right now.

By participating in this thread, we can only assume that you are ready for the change.

So we will work together on a change of perspective that suits your intentions (you decide).

Enjoy the ride!
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Australia moved north.

It's practically touching New Guinea now.

Wtf

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The significance of 2012 is that it's pretty close to 2013.

Things start getting kinda hot in about 2 years and 2 months from now.
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It's right about now. What's gonna happen?
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Nothing that isn't all ready happening.

2 years and 2 months from 01/26/2011 would bring us to about April, which is quite near so I guess we'll know soon enough.
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That's interesting as that's around when things are supposed to really start to come apart in the US according to "DHS insider", at least. [link to www.shtfplan.com]

Any connection, or are you referring to different events?

And on an unrelated note, where should I begin with all the ecsys stuff, I followed your thread a little bit in 2011, but I only really skimmed through, and I'm not really sure where to begin again. Should I just start at the ecsys.org site, or are there any specific posts I should look at, or does it really matter what I read first?

I'd like to catch up to where most of the other participants in the thread are :)
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Chaol, you said that 'you' will 'come back' when gold reach $20,000. This is going to happen in September?
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Things get hot in summer as this year draws to a close. The true monetary value of gold may begin to surface yet.

Search for 'DHS Insider's two reported interviews and watch the situation in Europe and Russo-China and at home.

This is all the growing irrelevance of this brand of physicality, all illustrated in a certain narrative.

It's not war, conspiracy, government, etc. That is just what it seems like. It's really one kind of reality becoming irrelevant and being replaced by an other. The details are not as important as the meaning.
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