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Unit3  User ID: 9834739  United States01/01/2013 11:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's a Cartier, 3 minute commercial and their blurb: "a journey between dream and reality." So, not only was it fascinating (and commercials are usually 30 seconds), but the scene that was playing when I walked in was almost exactly what I read LAST NIGHT in the syfy book I'm reading. Heh! Oh yes, dreamtime and reality are definitely becoming the same. Yay! (Sometimes, I don't know if something I read came from reading a post here or from reading something in dreamtime!) Anyway, here's the link: Last Edited by ERE3 on 01/01/2013 11:17 PM "We are the music makers. And we are the dreamers of dreams." Willy Wonka |
| Unit3 User ID: 9834739 United States01/01/2013 11:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31155337 okay, if i understand you correctly, you are telling me not to focus on the negatives. Simply remove the negativity from my life and ignore it as if it does not exist? i should not perceive duality or polarity, rather look at everything as one, without the yin yang? am i moving towards the right direction? No, not at all. You need not see everything as one. It's okay to perceive duality and see things as "good" while others are "bad". It's the reason we exist. Without the illusion of "other" there is no You. There's nothing wrong with what you are doing now. It's okay to focus on the negative of things, because actually we are then focusing on an aspect of ourselves. We seem to think that we should be perceiving the 'good' in things. It's just something we make up for ourselves. I'm saying that every experience is as valid as every other. A 'good' experience is not better than a 'bad' experience because it is our interpretation of the two experiences that make something good or bad. Actually, the experience is neither. In one hand I am saying there's nothing wrong with your perspective. Wanting to change it because you don't see how it works is missing the point. As most of us would say, there's a reason behind it. I'm guessing that it's a way for your Genius to show you that you are the things you perceive and there is no difference. It's a realization that will probably never happen for most of us. It's something that takes (in terms of the clock) a very long time to realize. So we go through existence experiencing things that do not seem like us. "That is not me! I am different", or "That is bad", et c. On and on and on. Until you realize that our perspective is you. Things would not come into your perspective without your consent because you are your perspective, even when you don't understand that you are. Imagine the expanse of our universe. We can safely say that we don't know anything about it. We barely know about our own planet, history, and present goings-on. That should tell us that pretty much everything we think and believe is only good temporarily (including what you are reading now) until something more useful comes along. We see something as separate from us, or do not understand the nature of good/evil because we simply do not understand anything at all. The only question would be, "How useful is it?" So the question that I ask you is how useful is the "good" and "bad" in your experience? What does it do for you? I will await your response to the question, "If someone is being mugged... where is it happening? Inside or outside of your perspective?" Hi Chaol, I bolded 2 of your statements above. My questions are: 1) It sounds like you feel the Genius teaches us. So how does the subconscious have more of a commitment to Truth than the conscious part of ourselves? 2) Is there always a split between conscious self and the subconscious? 3) Why do you feel the realization that we are all we perceive something that may never happen for most of us? Do you have this realization? 4) One last question re: one of my Genius maps. I went out today, as usual, with 5 symbols in my hand. One of the places I needed to deliver them was closed. So, at first, I was going to keep them in my hand until I got home, but that got tiresome, so I stuck them in my purse. I figure I now have to make new symbols to replace these, so what do I do with the old symbols now? I can separate some of them and I could burn the paper ones. Otherwise, I don't know how to dispose of them. Or, does it not matter what I do with them once I make the new symbols to replace them? Thanks hi. 1) No, not 'teaching' per se. It's more of the way things work rather than a lesson. The more you 'split' this concept of You in your perspective the more attraction/repulsion will be experienced, and the drama of life comes out of this. As I've mentioned before, Truth is irrelevant. 2)There is no real split. There's only the illusion of it. The conscious is an aspect of the subconscious. (But from our perspective it seems different.) They are essentially the same thing. But for purposes of explanation I almost all ways call them out separately. 3) Because we don't want to realize it. It goes against nature. There's nothing wrong with understanding that you are (and we often pretend we do because we inherently understand this). But the more we understand something the more it is possible that we realize that we are nothing-in-particular. And that's frightening. I don't care for the realization that I am everything. It's kind of boring, in my opinion. I'd much rather divide my perspective and create drama, and forget. 4) If "One of the places I needed to deliver them was closed" then I suppose you missed where you were supposed to put it ;) This is an example of how we usually think we know what's best but when the Genius is 'showing' us the map we tend to ignore it. You need not make new symbols. They're still valid (as long as the intention wasn't specific to the place that you will no longer put them). The place that was closed is the same place I go every week with the same symbols. So, for about a month (or maybe just a little longer), I've left the symbols in various, specified places there. And, I leave them there every week. I knew there was a 50/50 chance the place would be closed because it was New Year's Day, but I was too lazy to call ahead to check on their holiday hours. Heh! It wasn't until I was there, with my symbols in my hand, and saw that it was closed, that I realized I didn't know what to do with the symbols. I was able to leave one symbol there because it goes just outside the door. The rest, I had to keep with me because I didn't want to put them in a different space and they are specific for the space at this building. So, I suppose I'll just make new ones now? Very interesting statement, Chaol: "I don't care for the realization that I am everything. It's kind of boring, in my opinion. I'd much rather divide my perspective and create drama, and forget." A lot of our "spiritual" teachers here (including my husband), believe the realization that "I am everything" is the ultimate Truth. But, he gets VERY bored, LOL! I mean, really, really bored. And, as much as he does not care for drama, he is very good at having it in his life, I must say. So, how does one realize their oneness with everything? I'd like to see how you do it because here, it takes quite a bit of work. (I've told you about it in the other thread.) Edit: I got the link for the post where we talked about some of the spiritual teachings in this world, in case you want to see it. Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe": Meeting in the new Dream reality (Page 48) Last Edited by ERE3 on 01/02/2013 04:26 PM "We are the music makers. And we are the dreamers of dreams." Willy Wonka |
| Unit3 User ID: 9834739 United States01/01/2013 11:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hi Chaol, Quoting: Unit3 I want to thank you for answering all my posts. I've read the most recent ones and appreciate all you've done for me and all of us. I'm trying to cut down on hogging this thread (  ) so I'll try to stick with this post because it's what I'm really the most interested in.You might remember, when I found your threads, I was already working with making my night-time dreams become my reality. I am having some success, the latest I shared in the dream thread. (You replied to the post.) Of course! I am wondering what your night-time dreaming experience is, if you feel like sharing. Quoting: Unit3 I think we'll save that for an other time. Anyway, your post above is what I am experiencing in my night-time dreams. I would like advice in how to get this into my waking experience better. (I would prefer not to have to wait 2 years for it.) Quoting: Unit3 If it is in your dreams it is all ready in your waking experience. Unless you want to experience it the same way (from your interpretation)? Also, if you have any advice how I can perceive this for everybody, it would be appreciated. (In my dream-time, I am also perceiving it for everybody.) Quoting: Unit3 Thanks  Edit: Btw, I tried to get this to happen in my waking reality by yesterday (my birthday) and now I've set it for New Year's Eve. So, anything radical that you might suggest, works for me! ;o) What do you mean, "...perceive it for everyone"? Happy birthday, by the way! OK, we'll save your dream experiences for another time even though you really have my curiosity now. Sometimes I sure wish we weren't limited to a public forum. ;o) My hope is to make my virtual reality world my waking world pretty soon. Yes, I desire my interpretation of my dream experience to be in my waking experience...and not just for me but for everybody. What I mean is I want to experience myself and the world I see, living this way. Your world is my dream experience. My world is yours. (Sometimes you guys are all over the place but usually you're somewhere in my world.) But I suppose we'll go into more detail at an other time. Your dream interpretation is, by nature, different from your waking interpretation of the same experience. Aren't you everybody? But why would you want the other things in your perspective to experience your perspective? Man, then I LOVE your world because I LOVE my dreams! They are awesome! That's why I've been working on manifesting them in my waking experience. Well, that's interesting that the dream and waking are the same experience and just different interpretations. Hmmmmm! Can you explain why this is? And how do I change my interpretations, by using a Genius? Why do I want others in my perspective to experience it? Because it's AWESOME and I want others to have that. And I would like to live in a world where everyone (and yes, I'm everybody) feels this! I think a world where this kind of realization is the springboard for everything else would be amazing. But, I don't see everyone feeling it except in my night time dreams. (My night time dreams are way better than my waking life.) Last Edited by ERE3 on 01/02/2013 08:39 PM "We are the music makers. And we are the dreamers of dreams." Willy Wonka |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 2980207 United States01/02/2013 02:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The significance of 2012 is that it's pretty close to 2013. Quoting: Chaol Things start getting kinda hot in about 2 years and 2 months from now. It's right about now. What's gonna happen? Nothing that isn't all ready happening. 2 years and 2 months from 01/26/2011 would bring us to about April, which is quite near so I guess we'll know soon enough. That's interesting as that's around when things are supposed to really start to come apart in the US according to "DHS insider", at least. [link to www.shtfplan.com] Any connection, or are you referring to different events? And on an unrelated note, where should I begin with all the ecsys stuff, I followed your thread a little bit in 2011, but I only really skimmed through, and I'm not really sure where to begin again. Should I just start at the ecsys.org site, or are there any specific posts I should look at, or does it really matter what I read first? I'd like to catch up to where most of the other participants in the thread are :) |
| Jesse Sovoda User ID: 19653712 United States01/02/2013 10:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Chaol I don't want to be too specific on this forum, but my question was more of, "If she died, would you die too?" But as you mentioned you are on the other side of the fence, so to speak. Possibilities abound :) ok, good. That is how I interpreted your question. Thank you Chaol. Of course I would die too. The person I would have been would have died to allow the person (perspective) I am to come into focus. In a way this has already happened, just from an "objective" perspective we are both "not dead". Thanks again, oh destroyer of worlds. Consider the possibility that you order yourself into being from chaos... You do this, always, in all ways. This "ordering" has resulted in the possibilities you're experiencing, here, now. In each experience you've ever had, more and more of "this" reality is generated logically from your previous experience. Your observation of this unfolding of order and chaos is reality. |
| Unit3 User ID: 9834739 United States01/02/2013 02:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Chaol I don't want to be too specific on this forum, but my question was more of, "If she died, would you die too?" But as you mentioned you are on the other side of the fence, so to speak. Possibilities abound :) ok, good. That is how I interpreted your question. Thank you Chaol. Of course I would die too. The person I would have been would have died to allow the person (perspective) I am to come into focus. In a way this has already happened, just from an "objective" perspective we are both "not dead". Thanks again, oh destroyer of worlds. Awesome explanation Jesse. Thanks! "We are the music makers. And we are the dreamers of dreams." Willy Wonka |
| CatCarel User ID: 28627321 United States01/02/2013 04:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Everyone on this thread may have similar experiences. Quoting: Chaol This is 2013, after all. Are you ready? This is it. If a change in perspective scares you, there's nothing wrong with that. You need not change your perspective for anything. You have all of eternity to that. How you are living, perceiving, doing, right now is perfectly fine. There is nothing else to do right now. By participating in this thread, we can only assume that you are ready for the change. So we will work together on a change of perspective that suits your intentions (you decide). Enjoy the ride! Australia moved north. It's practically touching New Guinea now. Wtf  Last Edited by Cat_Carel on 01/02/2013 04:14 PM Cat |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 31364063  Brazil01/02/2013 04:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The significance of 2012 is that it's pretty close to 2013. Quoting: Chaol Things start getting kinda hot in about 2 years and 2 months from now. It's right about now. What's gonna happen? Nothing that isn't all ready happening. 2 years and 2 months from 01/26/2011 would bring us to about April, which is quite near so I guess we'll know soon enough. That's interesting as that's around when things are supposed to really start to come apart in the US according to "DHS insider", at least. [link to www.shtfplan.com] Any connection, or are you referring to different events? And on an unrelated note, where should I begin with all the ecsys stuff, I followed your thread a little bit in 2011, but I only really skimmed through, and I'm not really sure where to begin again. Should I just start at the ecsys.org site, or are there any specific posts I should look at, or does it really matter what I read first? I'd like to catch up to where most of the other participants in the thread are :) Chaol, you said that 'you' will 'come back' when gold reach $20,000. This is going to happen in September? Quoting: Gespenst Things get hot in summer as this year draws to a close. The true monetary value of gold may begin to surface yet. Search for 'DHS Insider's two reported interviews and watch the situation in Europe and Russo-China and at home. This is all the growing irrelevance of this brand of physicality, all illustrated in a certain narrative. It's not war, conspiracy, government, etc. That is just what it seems like. It's really one kind of reality becoming irrelevant and being replaced by an other. The details are not as important as the meaning.  |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 2980207 United States01/03/2013 12:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Nothing that isn't all ready happening. 2 years and 2 months from 01/26/2011 would bring us to about April, which is quite near so I guess we'll know soon enough. That's interesting as that's around when things are supposed to really start to come apart in the US according to "DHS insider", at least. [link to www.shtfplan.com] Any connection, or are you referring to different events? And on an unrelated note, where should I begin with all the ecsys stuff, I followed your thread a little bit in 2011, but I only really skimmed through, and I'm not really sure where to begin again. Should I just start at the ecsys.org site, or are there any specific posts I should look at, or does it really matter what I read first? I'd like to catch up to where most of the other participants in the thread are :) Chaol, you said that 'you' will 'come back' when gold reach $20,000. This is going to happen in September? Quoting: Gespenst Things get hot in summer as this year draws to a close. The true monetary value of gold may begin to surface yet. Search for 'DHS Insider's two reported interviews and watch the situation in Europe and Russo-China and at home. This is all the growing irrelevance of this brand of physicality, all illustrated in a certain narrative. It's not war, conspiracy, government, etc. That is just what it seems like. It's really one kind of reality becoming irrelevant and being replaced by an other. The details are not as important as the meaning. Wow! When's that post of Chaol's from you quoted? Because the latest DHS insider report was only put out 5 days ago. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 2980207 United States01/03/2013 12:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I also wanted to ask if this thread and what it discusses is in any way related to what is happening/happened/about to to happen: Thread: The Coming Celestial Convergence |
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| Chaol User ID: 7998823  Ireland01/03/2013 10:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | /snips/ Quoting: Unit3 So, how does one realize their oneness with everything? I'd like to see how you do it because here, it takes quite a bit of work. (I've told you about it in the other thread.) Edit: I got the link for the post where we talked about some of the spiritual teachings in this world, in case you want to see it. Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe": Meeting in the new Dream reality (Page 48) I suppose the same way that the various aspects of your body come together and say "me". For me, it's of no import to realize such things so I don't really have any thing to offer in this way. We have neighboring views of 'teachings' I think. What isn't something to learn from? |
| Chaol User ID: 7998823 Ireland01/03/2013 11:02 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Man, then I LOVE your world because I LOVE my dreams! They are awesome! That's why I've been working on manifesting them in my waking experience. Quoting: Unit3 Well, that's interesting that the dream and waking are the same experience and just different interpretations. Hmmmmm! Can you explain why this is? And how do I change my interpretations, by using a Genius? May I ask, what was the last dream you had? Why do I want others in my perspective to experience it? Because it's AWESOME and I want others to have that. And I would like to live in a world where everyone (and yes, I'm everybody) feels this! I think a world where this kind of realization is the springboard for everything else would be amazing. Quoting: Unit3 But, I don't see everyone feeling it except in my night time dreams. (My night time dreams are way better than my waking life.) Perhaps it wasn't meant to be. Perhaps we are meant to seem different, and live in such a world as this. Even in the dream world we all have different interpretations. Some, while in this world, think they live on Earth in 2013. (But, alas, the dreams that we remember are our waking mind's thoughts.) |
| Unit3 User ID: 9834739 United States01/03/2013 11:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Man, then I LOVE your world because I LOVE my dreams! They are awesome! That's why I've been working on manifesting them in my waking experience. Quoting: Unit3 Well, that's interesting that the dream and waking are the same experience and just different interpretations. Hmmmmm! Can you explain why this is? And how do I change my interpretations, by using a Genius? May I ask, what was the last dream you had? Why do I want others in my perspective to experience it? Because it's AWESOME and I want others to have that. And I would like to live in a world where everyone (and yes, I'm everybody) feels this! I think a world where this kind of realization is the springboard for everything else would be amazing. Quoting: Unit3 But, I don't see everyone feeling it except in my night time dreams. (My night time dreams are way better than my waking life.) Perhaps it wasn't meant to be. Perhaps we are meant to seem different, and live in such a world as this. Even in the dream world we all have different interpretations. Some, while in this world, think they live on Earth in 2013. (But, alas, the dreams that we remember are our waking mind's thoughts.) First off, what do you mean by "perhaps we are meant to seem different"....meant by whom or what? Some kind of Universal Law? And, we would still be different anyway but with a universal starting point so to speak. We already have basic humanity and all I'm talking about is what I consider an upgrade in our basics. In my last dream, a bunch of us were chasing each other around with squirt bottles of hot sauce. It was a whole lot of fun. Well, it's the waking mind I am very interesting in affecting! "We are the music makers. And we are the dreamers of dreams." Willy Wonka |
| Chaol User ID: 7998823 Ireland01/03/2013 11:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The significance of 2012 is that it's pretty close to 2013. Quoting: Chaol Things start getting kinda hot in about 2 years and 2 months from now. It's right about now. What's gonna happen? Nothing that isn't all ready happening. 2 years and 2 months from 01/26/2011 would bring us to about April, which is quite near so I guess we'll know soon enough. That's interesting as that's around when things are supposed to really start to come apart in the US according to "DHS insider", at least. [link to www.shtfplan.com] Any connection, or are you referring to different events? And on an unrelated note, where should I begin with all the ecsys stuff, I followed your thread a little bit in 2011, but I only really skimmed through, and I'm not really sure where to begin again. Should I just start at the ecsys.org site, or are there any specific posts I should look at, or does it really matter what I read first? I'd like to catch up to where most of the other participants in the thread are :) There is no DHS insider (their position is more of a cabinet position) but it's interesting to consider as long as we keep in mind that it's all a stage and we are actors. The play is PHYSICALITY and the plot is all ways thickening. Various aspects of your reality simply don't want to let go. They "fight" to make themselves relevant in new scenes. Sometimes they are able to blend in but there's usually the feeling of something not being right about the scene. For Ecsys, I would just say just start from where you are. No need to put it into an order. Sometimes QWERTY is easier to use in the long run than ABCDEF is for the shorter run. |
| Unit3 User ID: 9834739 United States01/03/2013 11:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | /snips/ Quoting: Unit3 So, how does one realize their oneness with everything? I'd like to see how you do it because here, it takes quite a bit of work. (I've told you about it in the other thread.) Edit: I got the link for the post where we talked about some of the spiritual teachings in this world, in case you want to see it. Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe": Meeting in the new Dream reality (Page 48) I suppose the same way that the various aspects of your body come together and say "me". For me, it's of no import to realize such things so I don't really have any thing to offer in this way. We have neighboring views of 'teachings' I think. What isn't something to learn from? It may not be of import to you to realize such things because as far as I can tell, you do realize it. This is my own interpretation, of course. But, I feel you realize it and therefore, choose to create drama, separate and forget because you have the choice to do so. See what I mean? Everything is to learn from....even a flower growing through a crack in the cement. That was one of the best lessons of my life, btw. "We are the music makers. And we are the dreamers of dreams." Willy Wonka |
| Chaol User ID: 7998823 Ireland01/03/2013 11:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Chaol I don't want to be too specific on this forum, but my question was more of, "If she died, would you die too?" But as you mentioned you are on the other side of the fence, so to speak. Possibilities abound :) ok, good. That is how I interpreted your question. Thank you Chaol. Of course I would die too. The person I would have been would have died to allow the person (perspective) I am to come into focus. In a way this has already happened, just from an "objective" perspective we are both "not dead". Thanks again, oh destroyer of worlds. Aye, as a relative part of you and yours is passed all ready. One becomes two. One waking the other dreaming. (Or, alive and dead) Because your "dreaming" self is very much like you (for a time, because you split) your waking self can have a new perspective because of this new relationship. As above (waking/dreaming world) so below (Jesse's alive/dead world). |
| Chaol User ID: 7998823 Ireland01/03/2013 11:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I also wanted to ask if this thread and what it discusses is in any way related to what is happening/happened/about to to happen: Thread: The Coming Celestial Convergence Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2980207 Merging of worlds? Sure. Just don't get lost in the details. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 23047384 United States01/03/2013 11:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Chaol, I'm trying to teach myself EC language and neuricons...but I'm having a hard time understanding if I put the value on something? I'm having a hard time even asking my question in English....sheesh.... Let me try again with example.... The word "constitution" was used for +S neutral I but from who's perspective is this given a +S? Maybe I'm misunderstanding something here, and sorry for being off topic but I've have been absorbing all this knowledge like a sponge and I'm really excited about it :) Thank you again Chaol. |
| Chaol User ID: 7998823 Ireland01/03/2013 11:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | First off, what do you mean by "perhaps we are meant to seem different"....meant by whom or what? Some kind of Universal Law? Quoting: Unit3 Sure. The nature of perspective. That there is an endless variety of perspectives that only seem to be separate. You imply that you'd like everyone to share in this experience. But it really would go against nature (I use these terms for ease of explanation). And, we would still be different anyway but with a universal starting point so to speak. We already have basic humanity and all I'm talking about is what I consider an upgrade in our basics. Quoting: Unit3 In my last dream, a bunch of us were chasing each other around with squirt bottles of hot sauce. It was a whole lot of fun. Well, it's the waking mind I am very interesting in affecting! Not sure about any starting point or "upgrades", but I love hot sauce! |
| Chaol User ID: 7998823 Ireland01/03/2013 11:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | /snips/ Quoting: Unit3 So, how does one realize their oneness with everything? I'd like to see how you do it because here, it takes quite a bit of work. (I've told you about it in the other thread.) Edit: I got the link for the post where we talked about some of the spiritual teachings in this world, in case you want to see it. Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe": Meeting in the new Dream reality (Page 48) I suppose the same way that the various aspects of your body come together and say "me". For me, it's of no import to realize such things so I don't really have any thing to offer in this way. We have neighboring views of 'teachings' I think. What isn't something to learn from? It may not be of import to you to realize such things because as far as I can tell, you do realize it. This is my own interpretation, of course. But, I feel you realize it and therefore, choose to create drama, separate and forget because you have the choice to do so. See what I mean? Everything is to learn from....even a flower growing through a crack in the cement. That was one of the best lessons of my life, btw. Why realize something that is impossible to forget? We have only to realize what perspective is, rather than to seek or hope for something that does not exist. |
| Chaol User ID: 7998823 Ireland01/03/2013 11:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Chaol, I'm trying to teach myself EC language and neuricons...but I'm having a hard time understanding if I put the value on something? I'm having a hard time even asking my question in English....sheesh.... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23047384 Let me try again with example.... The word "constitution" was used for +S neutral I but from who's perspective is this given a +S? Maybe I'm misunderstanding something here, and sorry for being off topic but I've have been absorbing all this knowledge like a sponge and I'm really excited about it :) Thank you again Chaol. The idea of the example is that it depends on your interpretation. Make it yours, and change it to something that suits you. When you perceive, you perceive values. WHO is 'giving' values to what is being perceived? You, of course. Do not worry about the values of other persons. The values of others are compatible with your own because those persons are also values in your perspective. So it may be off-putting to think that words in Ec are flexible (as far as meaning, or value) but it's no different than your reality. What is "bad" today may be "good" tomorrow. To have a meaning for a word that changes very little through the centuries limits both our minds and our realities. Words in Ec are alive, just like your perspective. Can you imagine a tool that works closely with perspective that is not as seemingly flexible as perspective? That is probably the most difficult thing to grasp, from what I can see in this forum, but it's not impossible to. We have only to think outside of English :) |
| Unit3 User ID: 9834739 United States01/03/2013 11:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | /snips/ Quoting: Unit3 So, how does one realize their oneness with everything? I'd like to see how you do it because here, it takes quite a bit of work. (I've told you about it in the other thread.) Edit: I got the link for the post where we talked about some of the spiritual teachings in this world, in case you want to see it. Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe": Meeting in the new Dream reality (Page 48) I suppose the same way that the various aspects of your body come together and say "me". For me, it's of no import to realize such things so I don't really have any thing to offer in this way. We have neighboring views of 'teachings' I think. What isn't something to learn from? It may not be of import to you to realize such things because as far as I can tell, you do realize it. This is my own interpretation, of course. But, I feel you realize it and therefore, choose to create drama, separate and forget because you have the choice to do so. See what I mean? Everything is to learn from....even a flower growing through a crack in the cement. That was one of the best lessons of my life, btw. Why realize something that is impossible to forget? We have only to realize what perspective is, rather than to seek or hope for something that does not exist. (I'm thinking about the other post you replied to so I'll go ahead and reply to this one first.) Why do you feel realizing Oneness is impossible to forget? My husband does it all the time. He sees himself as One with everything, but he forgets and enjoys the drama. He says it gets kind of boring to always see the Oneness. Edit: Btw, a lot of spiritual teachers in our world talk about experiencing this state of Oneness. Last Edited by ERE3 on 01/03/2013 11:45 AM "We are the music makers. And we are the dreamers of dreams." Willy Wonka |
| Chaol User ID: 7998823 Ireland01/03/2013 11:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Also, 23047384, keep in mind that Ec is a tool of perspective. You can translate the phrase "I took a trip to France last year" from English to Ec, which is what most of us think to do... or you can experience a very similar perspective (i.e., that specific trip to France) Our minds want to do a direct translation of words, but Ec allows for the experience of perspective. A page of Ec contains more information than all the knowledge of all the libraries on Earth. Why read about something when you can experience it yourself? |
| Chaol User ID: 7998823 Ireland01/03/2013 11:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Chaol I suppose the same way that the various aspects of your body come together and say "me". For me, it's of no import to realize such things so I don't really have any thing to offer in this way. We have neighboring views of 'teachings' I think. What isn't something to learn from? It may not be of import to you to realize such things because as far as I can tell, you do realize it. This is my own interpretation, of course. But, I feel you realize it and therefore, choose to create drama, separate and forget because you have the choice to do so. See what I mean? Everything is to learn from....even a flower growing through a crack in the cement. That was one of the best lessons of my life, btw. Why realize something that is impossible to forget? We have only to realize what perspective is, rather than to seek or hope for something that does not exist. (I'm thinking about the other post you replied to so I'll go ahead and reply to this one first.) Why do you feel realizing Oneness is impossible to forget? My husband does it all the time. He sees himself as One with everything, but he forgets and enjoys the drama. He says it gets kind of boring to always see the Oneness. Edit: Btw, a lot of spiritual teachers in our world talk about experiencing this state of Oneness. If there is only 1 thing then "oneness" is irrelevant. What would it matter if nothing else were possible? There would be no everything, only the illusion of everything. You would all ready be it. So there'd be no need to remember. |
| Unit3 User ID: 9834739 United States01/03/2013 11:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Unit3 It may not be of import to you to realize such things because as far as I can tell, you do realize it. This is my own interpretation, of course. But, I feel you realize it and therefore, choose to create drama, separate and forget because you have the choice to do so. See what I mean? Everything is to learn from....even a flower growing through a crack in the cement. That was one of the best lessons of my life, btw. Why realize something that is impossible to forget? We have only to realize what perspective is, rather than to seek or hope for something that does not exist. (I'm thinking about the other post you replied to so I'll go ahead and reply to this one first.) Why do you feel realizing Oneness is impossible to forget? My husband does it all the time. He sees himself as One with everything, but he forgets and enjoys the drama. He says it gets kind of boring to always see the Oneness. Edit: Btw, a lot of spiritual teachers in our world talk about experiencing this state of Oneness. If there is only 1 thing then "oneness" is irrelevant. What would it matter if nothing else were possible? There would be no everything, only the illusion of everything. You would all ready be it. So there'd be no need to remember. He sees himself in everything and feels one with it. But, it depends on his focus. He can also focus on the drama, which he does most of the time as far as I can tell. "We are the music makers. And we are the dreamers of dreams." Willy Wonka |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 23047384 United States01/03/2013 12:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ok Chaol, thanks for the tip... I think I'm being too structured in my thinking, not allowing possibilities. Might have something to do with fear of being wrong or misinterpreting this infomation, time to practice 'un-logic' I guess and see what I can learn if I suppose I am wrong... I want to give you tremendous credit for helping me shift my perspective these last few weeks. I, like a lot of other people here, enjoy reading and learning from your perspective. I see you as kind :) |
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| Unit3 User ID: 9834739 United States01/03/2013 01:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | First off, what do you mean by "perhaps we are meant to seem different"....meant by whom or what? Some kind of Universal Law? Quoting: Unit3 Sure. The nature of perspective. That there is an endless variety of perspectives that only seem to be separate. You imply that you'd like everyone to share in this experience. But it really would go against nature (I use these terms for ease of explanation). And, we would still be different anyway but with a universal starting point so to speak. We already have basic humanity and all I'm talking about is what I consider an upgrade in our basics. Quoting: Unit3 In my last dream, a bunch of us were chasing each other around with squirt bottles of hot sauce. It was a whole lot of fun. Well, it's the waking mind I am very interesting in affecting! Not sure about any starting point or "upgrades", but I love hot sauce! Okay, let me try it from this angle. I visited Prince George Island, BC where there is no hunting allowed. Therefore, the deer played tag all around us and the atmosphere was of a high energy for everyone. Would you say this was an unnatural environment? Were the deer and humans going against nature? We are evolving into a different type physicality, why not also a different type psychology? I love hot sauce too. Here's a great recipe to use it in: Thread: Greens, black-eyed peas n' cornbread, easy skillet recipe for New Year's Day However, for the game in my dream, I'd just as soon use water or whipped cream. So, why did you ask about my last dream? heh! Last Edited by ERE3 on 01/03/2013 01:17 PM "We are the music makers. And we are the dreamers of dreams." Willy Wonka |
| X Won User ID: 1407931 United States01/03/2013 04:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Chaol, I have a new Genius Model I'd like to get your advice on before I put her into service. This new Model represents my authorization-clearance badge/credential that I will have for access to my unit at my new job. Symbol: A casino chip I won a long time ago with a medal I also won bonded to it with metal and magnet adornments I have decorated it with. Possibility: My body and the space around it, particularly attached to a belt loop with my shirt tail pulled out covering it. Interaction: Everything I 'bump' it against in the course of my day while wearing it and especially the objects I 'show' it to as part of its logic function. Logic: I will attach it to my person every morning when I don't tuck in my shirt. At key times during the day, I will 'show' it as I would a security badge to whatever I happen to need 'access' to...or just because it happens to be at a certain, predetermined time of day. I will keep it in the same spot as my wallet/keys/pocket knife when undressing/dressing. How's that sound, Chaol?? As all ways, thanks for the help! |
