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Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

 
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It's right about now. What's gonna happen?
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Nothing that isn't all ready happening.

2 years and 2 months from 01/26/2011 would bring us to about April, which is quite near so I guess we'll know soon enough.
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That's interesting as that's around when things are supposed to really start to come apart in the US according to "DHS insider", at least. [link to www.shtfplan.com]

Any connection, or are you referring to different events?

And on an unrelated note, where should I begin with all the ecsys stuff, I followed your thread a little bit in 2011, but I only really skimmed through, and I'm not really sure where to begin again. Should I just start at the ecsys.org site, or are there any specific posts I should look at, or does it really matter what I read first?

I'd like to catch up to where most of the other participants in the thread are :)
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Chaol, you said that 'you' will 'come back' when gold reach $20,000. This is going to happen in September?
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Things get hot in summer as this year draws to a close. The true monetary value of gold may begin to surface yet.

Search for 'DHS Insider's two reported interviews and watch the situation in Europe and Russo-China and at home.

This is all the growing irrelevance of this brand of physicality, all illustrated in a certain narrative.

It's not war, conspiracy, government, etc. That is just what it seems like. It's really one kind of reality becoming irrelevant and being replaced by an other. The details are not as important as the meaning.
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hiding
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Wow! When's that post of Chaol's from you quoted? Because the latest DHS insider report was only put out 5 days ago. damned
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I also wanted to ask if this thread and what it discusses is in any way related to what is happening/happened/about to to happen: Thread: The Coming Celestial Convergence
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I only read a couple pages.. I'm going to catch up tomorrow on this thread.

Is this about being able to more gradually manifest our own reality as a collective consciousness, as time progresses going forward?

I'm in.
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/snips/

So, how does one realize their oneness with everything? I'd like to see how you do it because here, it takes quite a bit of work. (I've told you about it in the other thread.) Edit: I got the link for the post where we talked about some of the spiritual teachings in this world, in case you want to see it.
Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe": Meeting in the new Dream reality (Page 48)
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I suppose the same way that the various aspects of your body come together and say "me".

For me, it's of no import to realize such things so I don't really have any thing to offer in this way.

We have neighboring views of 'teachings' I think. What isn't something to learn from?
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Man, then I LOVE your world because I LOVE my dreams! They are awesome! That's why I've been working on manifesting them in my waking experience.

Well, that's interesting that the dream and waking are the same experience and just different interpretations. Hmmmmm! Can you explain why this is? And how do I change my interpretations, by using a Genius?
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May I ask, what was the last dream you had?

Why do I want others in my perspective to experience it? Because it's AWESOME and I want others to have that. And I would like to live in a world where everyone (and yes, I'm everybody) feels this! I think a world where this kind of realization is the springboard for everything else would be amazing.

But, I don't see everyone feeling it except in my night time dreams. (My night time dreams are way better than my waking life.)
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Perhaps it wasn't meant to be. Perhaps we are meant to seem different, and live in such a world as this.

Even in the dream world we all have different interpretations.

Some, while in this world, think they live on Earth in 2013.

(But, alas, the dreams that we remember are our waking mind's thoughts.)
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Man, then I LOVE your world because I LOVE my dreams! They are awesome! That's why I've been working on manifesting them in my waking experience.

Well, that's interesting that the dream and waking are the same experience and just different interpretations. Hmmmmm! Can you explain why this is? And how do I change my interpretations, by using a Genius?
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May I ask, what was the last dream you had?

Why do I want others in my perspective to experience it? Because it's AWESOME and I want others to have that. And I would like to live in a world where everyone (and yes, I'm everybody) feels this! I think a world where this kind of realization is the springboard for everything else would be amazing.

But, I don't see everyone feeling it except in my night time dreams. (My night time dreams are way better than my waking life.)
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Perhaps it wasn't meant to be. Perhaps we are meant to seem different, and live in such a world as this.

Even in the dream world we all have different interpretations.

Some, while in this world, think they live on Earth in 2013.

(But, alas, the dreams that we remember are our waking mind's thoughts.)
 Quoting: Chaol



First off, what do you mean by "perhaps we are meant to seem different"....meant by whom or what? Some kind of Universal Law?

And, we would still be different anyway but with a universal starting point so to speak. We already have basic humanity and all I'm talking about is what I consider an upgrade in our basics.

In my last dream, a bunch of us were chasing each other around with squirt bottles of hot sauce. It was a whole lot of fun.

Well, it's the waking mind I am very interesting in affecting!
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The significance of 2012 is that it's pretty close to 2013.

Things start getting kinda hot in about 2 years and 2 months from now.
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It's right about now. What's gonna happen?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31160277

Nothing that isn't all ready happening.

2 years and 2 months from 01/26/2011 would bring us to about April, which is quite near so I guess we'll know soon enough.
 Quoting: Chaol


That's interesting as that's around when things are supposed to really start to come apart in the US according to "DHS insider", at least. [link to www.shtfplan.com]

Any connection, or are you referring to different events?

And on an unrelated note, where should I begin with all the ecsys stuff, I followed your thread a little bit in 2011, but I only really skimmed through, and I'm not really sure where to begin again. Should I just start at the ecsys.org site, or are there any specific posts I should look at, or does it really matter what I read first?

I'd like to catch up to where most of the other participants in the thread are :)
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There is no DHS insider (their position is more of a cabinet position) but it's interesting to consider as long as we keep in mind that it's all a stage and we are actors.

The play is PHYSICALITY and the plot is all ways thickening. Various aspects of your reality simply don't want to let go. They "fight" to make themselves relevant in new scenes. Sometimes they are able to blend in but there's usually the feeling of something not being right about the scene.

For Ecsys, I would just say just start from where you are. No need to put it into an order. Sometimes QWERTY is easier to use in the long run than ABCDEF is for the shorter run.
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/snips/

So, how does one realize their oneness with everything? I'd like to see how you do it because here, it takes quite a bit of work. (I've told you about it in the other thread.) Edit: I got the link for the post where we talked about some of the spiritual teachings in this world, in case you want to see it.
Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe": Meeting in the new Dream reality (Page 48)
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I suppose the same way that the various aspects of your body come together and say "me".

For me, it's of no import to realize such things so I don't really have any thing to offer in this way.

We have neighboring views of 'teachings' I think. What isn't something to learn from?
 Quoting: Chaol




It may not be of import to you to realize such things because as far as I can tell, you do realize it. This is my own interpretation, of course.

But, I feel you realize it and therefore, choose to create drama, separate and forget because you have the choice to do so. See what I mean?

Everything is to learn from....even a flower growing through a crack in the cement. That was one of the best lessons of my life, btw.
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I don't want to be too specific on this forum, but my question was more of, "If she died, would you die too?"

But as you mentioned you are on the other side of the fence, so to speak. Possibilities abound :)
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ok, good. That is how I interpreted your question. Thank you Chaol.

Of course I would die too. The person I would have been would have died to allow the person (perspective) I am to come into focus.

In a way this has already happened, just from an "objective" perspective we are both "not dead".

Thanks again, oh destroyer of worlds.
hf
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Aye, as a relative part of you and yours is passed all ready.

One becomes two. One waking the other dreaming. (Or, alive and dead)

Because your "dreaming" self is very much like you (for a time, because you split) your waking self can have a new perspective because of this new relationship.

As above (waking/dreaming world) so below (Jesse's alive/dead world).
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I also wanted to ask if this thread and what it discusses is in any way related to what is happening/happened/about to to happen: Thread: The Coming Celestial Convergence
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Merging of worlds? Sure.

Just don't get lost in the details.
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Chaol, I'm trying to teach myself EC language and neuricons...but I'm having a hard time understanding if I put the value on something? I'm having a hard time even asking my question in English....sheesh....

Let me try again with example....

The word "constitution" was used for +S neutral I but from who's perspective is this given a +S?

Maybe I'm misunderstanding something here, and sorry for being off topic but I've have been absorbing all this knowledge like a sponge and I'm really excited about it :)

Thank you again Chaol.
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First off, what do you mean by "perhaps we are meant to seem different"....meant by whom or what? Some kind of Universal Law?
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Sure. The nature of perspective. That there is an endless variety of perspectives that only seem to be separate.

You imply that you'd like everyone to share in this experience. But it really would go against nature (I use these terms for ease of explanation).

And, we would still be different anyway but with a universal starting point so to speak. We already have basic humanity and all I'm talking about is what I consider an upgrade in our basics.

In my last dream, a bunch of us were chasing each other around with squirt bottles of hot sauce. It was a whole lot of fun.

Well, it's the waking mind I am very interesting in affecting!
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Not sure about any starting point or "upgrades", but I love hot sauce!
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/snips/

So, how does one realize their oneness with everything? I'd like to see how you do it because here, it takes quite a bit of work. (I've told you about it in the other thread.) Edit: I got the link for the post where we talked about some of the spiritual teachings in this world, in case you want to see it.
Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe": Meeting in the new Dream reality (Page 48)
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I suppose the same way that the various aspects of your body come together and say "me".

For me, it's of no import to realize such things so I don't really have any thing to offer in this way.

We have neighboring views of 'teachings' I think. What isn't something to learn from?
 Quoting: Chaol

It may not be of import to you to realize such things because as far as I can tell, you do realize it. This is my own interpretation, of course.

But, I feel you realize it and therefore, choose to create drama, separate and forget because you have the choice to do so. See what I mean?

Everything is to learn from....even a flower growing through a crack in the cement. That was one of the best lessons of my life, btw.
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Why realize something that is impossible to forget?

We have only to realize what perspective is, rather than to seek or hope for something that does not exist.
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Chaol, I'm trying to teach myself EC language and neuricons...but I'm having a hard time understanding if I put the value on something? I'm having a hard time even asking my question in English....sheesh....

Let me try again with example....

The word "constitution" was used for +S neutral I but from who's perspective is this given a +S?

Maybe I'm misunderstanding something here, and sorry for being off topic but I've have been absorbing all this knowledge like a sponge and I'm really excited about it :)

Thank you again Chaol.
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The idea of the example is that it depends on your interpretation.

Make it yours, and change it to something that suits you.

When you perceive, you perceive values.

WHO is 'giving' values to what is being perceived?

You, of course.

Do not worry about the values of other persons.

The values of others are compatible with your own because those persons are also values in your perspective.

So it may be off-putting to think that words in Ec are flexible (as far as meaning, or value) but it's no different than your reality.

What is "bad" today may be "good" tomorrow.

To have a meaning for a word that changes very little through the centuries limits both our minds and our realities.

Words in Ec are alive, just like your perspective.

Can you imagine a tool that works closely with perspective that is not as seemingly flexible as perspective?

That is probably the most difficult thing to grasp, from what I can see in this forum, but it's not impossible to.

We have only to think outside of English :)
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/snips/

So, how does one realize their oneness with everything? I'd like to see how you do it because here, it takes quite a bit of work. (I've told you about it in the other thread.) Edit: I got the link for the post where we talked about some of the spiritual teachings in this world, in case you want to see it.
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I suppose the same way that the various aspects of your body come together and say "me".

For me, it's of no import to realize such things so I don't really have any thing to offer in this way.

We have neighboring views of 'teachings' I think. What isn't something to learn from?
 Quoting: Chaol

It may not be of import to you to realize such things because as far as I can tell, you do realize it. This is my own interpretation, of course.

But, I feel you realize it and therefore, choose to create drama, separate and forget because you have the choice to do so. See what I mean?

Everything is to learn from....even a flower growing through a crack in the cement. That was one of the best lessons of my life, btw.
 Quoting: Unit3


Why realize something that is impossible to forget?

We have only to realize what perspective is, rather than to seek or hope for something that does not exist.
 Quoting: Chaol



(I'm thinking about the other post you replied to so I'll go ahead and reply to this one first.)

Why do you feel realizing Oneness is impossible to forget? My husband does it all the time.

He sees himself as One with everything, but he forgets and enjoys the drama. He says it gets kind of boring to always see the Oneness.

Edit: Btw, a lot of spiritual teachers in our world talk about experiencing this state of Oneness.

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Also, 23047384, keep in mind that Ec is a tool of perspective.

You can translate the phrase "I took a trip to France last year" from English to Ec, which is what most of us think to do...

or you can experience a very similar perspective (i.e., that specific trip to France)

Our minds want to do a direct translation of words, but Ec allows for the experience of perspective.

A page of Ec contains more information than all the knowledge of all the libraries on Earth. Why read about something when you can experience it yourself?
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I suppose the same way that the various aspects of your body come together and say "me".

For me, it's of no import to realize such things so I don't really have any thing to offer in this way.

We have neighboring views of 'teachings' I think. What isn't something to learn from?
 Quoting: Chaol

It may not be of import to you to realize such things because as far as I can tell, you do realize it. This is my own interpretation, of course.

But, I feel you realize it and therefore, choose to create drama, separate and forget because you have the choice to do so. See what I mean?

Everything is to learn from....even a flower growing through a crack in the cement. That was one of the best lessons of my life, btw.
 Quoting: Unit3


Why realize something that is impossible to forget?

We have only to realize what perspective is, rather than to seek or hope for something that does not exist.
 Quoting: Chaol



(I'm thinking about the other post you replied to so I'll go ahead and reply to this one first.)

Why do you feel realizing Oneness is impossible to forget? My husband does it all the time.

He sees himself as One with everything, but he forgets and enjoys the drama. He says it gets kind of boring to always see the Oneness.

Edit: Btw, a lot of spiritual teachers in our world talk about experiencing this state of Oneness.
 Quoting: Unit3


If there is only 1 thing then "oneness" is irrelevant.

What would it matter if nothing else were possible? There would be no everything, only the illusion of everything.

You would all ready be it. So there'd be no need to remember.
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It may not be of import to you to realize such things because as far as I can tell, you do realize it. This is my own interpretation, of course.

But, I feel you realize it and therefore, choose to create drama, separate and forget because you have the choice to do so. See what I mean?

Everything is to learn from....even a flower growing through a crack in the cement. That was one of the best lessons of my life, btw.
 Quoting: Unit3


Why realize something that is impossible to forget?

We have only to realize what perspective is, rather than to seek or hope for something that does not exist.
 Quoting: Chaol



(I'm thinking about the other post you replied to so I'll go ahead and reply to this one first.)

Why do you feel realizing Oneness is impossible to forget? My husband does it all the time.

He sees himself as One with everything, but he forgets and enjoys the drama. He says it gets kind of boring to always see the Oneness.

Edit: Btw, a lot of spiritual teachers in our world talk about experiencing this state of Oneness.
 Quoting: Unit3


If there is only 1 thing then "oneness" is irrelevant.

What would it matter if nothing else were possible? There would be no everything, only the illusion of everything.

You would all ready be it. So there'd be no need to remember.
 Quoting: Chaol



He sees himself in everything and feels one with it. But, it depends on his focus. He can also focus on the drama, which he does most of the time as far as I can tell.
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Ok Chaol, thanks for the tip...

I think I'm being too structured in my thinking, not allowing possibilities.

Might have something to do with fear of being wrong or misinterpreting this infomation, time to practice 'un-logic' I guess and see what I can learn if I suppose I am wrong...

I want to give you tremendous credit for helping me shift my perspective these last few weeks. I, like a lot of other people here, enjoy reading and learning from your perspective.

I see you as kind :)
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Chaol,

Would it be accurate to state that "I am the act of experience"?

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First off, what do you mean by "perhaps we are meant to seem different"....meant by whom or what? Some kind of Universal Law?
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Sure. The nature of perspective. That there is an endless variety of perspectives that only seem to be separate.

You imply that you'd like everyone to share in this experience. But it really would go against nature (I use these terms for ease of explanation).

And, we would still be different anyway but with a universal starting point so to speak. We already have basic humanity and all I'm talking about is what I consider an upgrade in our basics.

In my last dream, a bunch of us were chasing each other around with squirt bottles of hot sauce. It was a whole lot of fun.

Well, it's the waking mind I am very interesting in affecting!
 Quoting: Unit3


Not sure about any starting point or "upgrades", but I love hot sauce!
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Okay, let me try it from this angle.

I visited Prince George Island, BC where there is no hunting allowed. Therefore, the deer played tag all around us and the atmosphere was of a high energy for everyone. Would you say this was an unnatural environment? Were the deer and humans going against nature?

We are evolving into a different type physicality, why not also a different type psychology?

I love hot sauce too. Here's a great recipe to use it in:
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However, for the game in my dream, I'd just as soon use water or whipped cream. So, why did you ask about my last dream? heh!

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Chaol, I have a new Genius Model I'd like to get your advice on before I put her into service. This new Model represents my authorization-clearance badge/credential that I will have for access to my unit at my new job.

Symbol: A casino chip I won a long time ago with a medal I also won bonded to it with metal and magnet adornments I have decorated it with.

Possibility: My body and the space around it, particularly attached to a belt loop with my shirt tail pulled out covering it.

Interaction: Everything I 'bump' it against in the course of my day while wearing it and especially the objects I 'show' it to as part of its logic function.

Logic: I will attach it to my person every morning when I don't tuck in my shirt. At key times during the day, I will 'show' it as I would a security badge to whatever I happen to need 'access' to...or just because it happens to be at a certain, predetermined time of day. I will keep it in the same spot as my wallet/keys/pocket knife when undressing/dressing.

How's that sound, Chaol?? As all ways, thanks for the help!
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I just wanted to share the one thing I remember from my dream that I had this morning.

The only thing I remember is asking one of my brothers something along the lines of "Do you want to watch the dreamworld?"

I feel as if I was referring to it as some sort of video game or TV show or something.

And then I woke up! Maybe we decided to interact with the "dreamworld" and it immediately brought me to my waking reality?

First time I can recall ever referring to something called the "dreamworld" in my dreams. Interesting nonetheless! ;)
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/snips/

In my last dream, a bunch of us were chasing each other around with squirt bottles of hot sauce. It was a whole lot of fun.

Well, it's the waking mind I am very interesting in affecting!
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And in what reality do you think the following concepts make sense?

-chasing people
-squirt bottles
-hot sauce

Do you think that is what was actually happening in the dream, or how you interpreted it in your waking mind?
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I suppose the same way that the various aspects of your body come together and say "me".

For me, it's of no import to realize such things so I don't really have any thing to offer in this way.

We have neighboring views of 'teachings' I think. What isn't something to learn from?
 Quoting: Chaol

It may not be of import to you to realize such things because as far as I can tell, you do realize it. This is my own interpretation, of course.

But, I feel you realize it and therefore, choose to create drama, separate and forget because you have the choice to do so. See what I mean?

Everything is to learn from....even a flower growing through a crack in the cement. That was one of the best lessons of my life, btw.
 Quoting: Unit3


Why realize something that is impossible to forget?

We have only to realize what perspective is, rather than to seek or hope for something that does not exist.
 Quoting: Chaol


(I'm thinking about the other post you replied to so I'll go ahead and reply to this one first.)

Why do you feel realizing Oneness is impossible to forget? My husband does it all the time.

He sees himself as One with everything, but he forgets and enjoys the drama. He says it gets kind of boring to always see the Oneness.

Edit: Btw, a lot of spiritual teachers in our world talk about experiencing this state of Oneness.
 Quoting: Unit3


We can conceptually imagine this but it does not mean that we actually understand it or can use it.

It's not actually possible to understand it, because it would mean understanding nothing-in-particular.

Nothing-in-particular is free of understanding, free of concepts, free of perspective (i.e., those things are meaningless to it).

I don't think the following would be a popular statement but 'teachers' that talk about "oneness with everything" are actually working against nature. But it certainly provides them with a nice bottom line.

It is far more natural to divide perspective than to pretend that experiencing one perspective.

Being One would mean that we would experience not existing.
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01/03/2013 09:11 PM

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Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.
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I don't want to be too specific on this forum, but my question was more of, "If she died, would you die too?"

But as you mentioned you are on the other side of the fence, so to speak. Possibilities abound :)
 Quoting: Chaol


ok, good. That is how I interpreted your question. Thank you Chaol.

Of course I would die too. The person I would have been would have died to allow the person (perspective) I am to come into focus.

In a way this has already happened, just from an "objective" perspective we are both "not dead".

Thanks again, oh destroyer of worlds.
hf
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


Aye, as a relative part of you and yours is passed all ready.

One becomes two. One waking the other dreaming. (Or, alive and dead)

Because your "dreaming" self is very much like you (for a time, because you split) your waking self can have a new perspective because of this new relationship.

As above (waking/dreaming world) so below (Jesse's alive/dead world).
 Quoting: Chaol

hf
So, with all this in mind, am I looking at a "genius map" playing out? I see it as an almost "reckess and careless" use for it.
Maybe... you are all powerful... all knowing... forever present in all ways... you've chosen to forget... remember?
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01/03/2013 09:13 PM
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Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.
Ok Chaol, thanks for the tip...

I think I'm being too structured in my thinking, not allowing possibilities.

Might have something to do with fear of being wrong or misinterpreting this infomation, time to practice 'un-logic' I guess and see what I can learn if I suppose I am wrong...

I want to give you tremendous credit for helping me shift my perspective these last few weeks. I, like a lot of other people here, enjoy reading and learning from your perspective.

I see you as kind :)
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The credit goes to all of us here. I posted the same message (to begin this forum) on an other website but it was only the people on this website who thought to respond. Without all of you here, I'd have nothing to say :)

Unlearning the logic we have learned can be quite difficult. It may be easier to practice by doing things you don't believe in doing, that you would not usually do, or doing things that you all ready do in a different way.

Then you can see the value of other brands of logic (even if you don't agree with them, the act still validates the possibility), and lessen your grip on your current one.
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01/03/2013 09:20 PM
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Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.
Chaol,

Would it be accurate to state that "I am the act of experience"?

Not-Chaol
 Quoting: Not-Chaol 1653136


It depends on how accurate we want to be.

Sure, you can say that but it would be more accurate to say that you are that that exists before action and before interaction.

To be a bit less accurate than the above, we could say that we are the result of all things in existence interacting. (The relationship between the symbols.)

Less so again, we are a perspective that experiences the values of our perspective to be different perspective.

All of this is a bit boring and difficult to grasp for some, so I suppose "I am action" (or interaction) works too.
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01/03/2013 09:26 PM
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Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.
/snips/

In my last dream, a bunch of us were chasing each other around with squirt bottles of hot sauce. It was a whole lot of fun.

Well, it's the waking mind I am very interesting in affecting!
 Quoting: Unit3


And in what reality do you think the following concepts make sense?

-chasing people
-squirt bottles
-hot sauce

Do you think that is what was actually happening in the dream, or how you interpreted it in your waking mind?
 Quoting: Chaol




I think the dream makes sense in both realities because it was about the feeling of freedom and having fun with friends. I think my waking mind used these concepts to explain it so it makes sense to me.
Happy Holidays! xmas
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01/03/2013 09:30 PM
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Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.
First off, what do you mean by "perhaps we are meant to seem different"....meant by whom or what? Some kind of Universal Law?
 Quoting: Unit3


Sure. The nature of perspective. That there is an endless variety of perspectives that only seem to be separate.

You imply that you'd like everyone to share in this experience. But it really would go against nature (I use these terms for ease of explanation).

And, we would still be different anyway but with a universal starting point so to speak. We already have basic humanity and all I'm talking about is what I consider an upgrade in our basics.

In my last dream, a bunch of us were chasing each other around with squirt bottles of hot sauce. It was a whole lot of fun.

Well, it's the waking mind I am very interesting in affecting!
 Quoting: Unit3


Not sure about any starting point or "upgrades", but I love hot sauce!
 Quoting: Chaol




Okay, let me try it from this angle.

I visited Prince George Island, BC where there is no hunting allowed. Therefore, the deer played tag all around us and the atmosphere was of a high energy for everyone. Would you say this was an unnatural environment? Were the deer and humans going against nature?

We are evolving into a different type physicality, why not also a different type psychology?

I love hot sauce too. Here's a great recipe to use it in:
Thread: Greens, black-eyed peas n' cornbread, easy skillet recipe for New Year's Day

However, for the game in my dream, I'd just as soon use water or whipped cream. So, why did you ask about my last dream? heh!
 Quoting: Unit3


I love angles!

There is nothing that is not natural, so when I say that wanting everyone to share in the same experience (same perspective) goes against nature I mean that it is working against the impossible.

To exist, all perspectives must (seem to) exist.

I'm not saying that the deer and such were going against nature. I'm saying that the deer and such exist entirely in your perspective.

They all ready share your perspective.

But to want parts of your perspective to have the same experience as you is going against nature (for lack of better terms) because it is implying that they exist outside of your perspective.

As I've stated before, there is nothing that exists that is not physical. Psychology is a property of physicality, as sound (or matter) is a property of light. All of these are valid illusions and all stem from our physically-oriented perspective.

We can perceive only from this physically-oriented perspective so all values in our perspective (including psychology) are properties of this perspective rather than independent from it.

We are realizing more of what we all ready are. Valid illusions abound!

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