Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

Wow! When's that post of Chaol's from you quoted? Because the latest DHS insider report was only put out 5 days ago.

I also wanted to ask if this thread and what it discusses is in any way related to what is happening/happened/about to to happen: Thread: The Coming Celestial Convergence

I only read a couple pages.. I'm going to catch up tomorrow on this thread.

Is this about being able to more gradually manifest our own reality as a collective consciousness, as time progresses going forward?

I'm in.

I suppose the same way that the various aspects of your body come together and say "me".

For me, it's of no import to realize such things so I don't really have any thing to offer in this way.

We have neighboring views of 'teachings' I think. What isn't something to learn from?

May I ask, what was the last dream you had?



Perhaps it wasn't meant to be. Perhaps we are meant to seem different, and live in such a world as this.

Even in the dream world we all have different interpretations.

Some, while in this world, think they live on Earth in 2013.

(But, alas, the dreams that we remember are our waking mind's thoughts.)

First off, what do you mean by "perhaps we are meant to seem different"....meant by whom or what? Some kind of Universal Law?

And, we would still be different anyway but with a universal starting point so to speak. We already have basic humanity and all I'm talking about is what I consider an upgrade in our basics.

In my last dream, a bunch of us were chasing each other around with squirt bottles of hot sauce. It was a whole lot of fun.

Well, it's the waking mind I am very interesting in affecting!

There is no DHS insider (their position is more of a cabinet position) but it's interesting to consider as long as we keep in mind that it's all a stage and we are actors.

The play is PHYSICALITY and the plot is all ways thickening. Various aspects of your reality simply don't want to let go. They "fight" to make themselves relevant in new scenes. Sometimes they are able to blend in but there's usually the feeling of something not being right about the scene.

For Ecsys, I would just say just start from where you are. No need to put it into an order. Sometimes QWERTY is easier to use in the long run than ABCDEF is for the shorter run.

It may not be of import to you to realize such things because as far as I can tell, you do realize it. This is my own interpretation, of course.

But, I feel you realize it and therefore, choose to create drama, separate and forget because you have the choice to do so. See what I mean?

Everything is to learn from....even a flower growing through a crack in the cement. That was one of the best lessons of my life, btw.

Aye, as a relative part of you and yours is passed all ready.

One becomes two. One waking the other dreaming. (Or, alive and dead)

Because your "dreaming" self is very much like you (for a time, because you split) your waking self can have a new perspective because of this new relationship.

As above (waking/dreaming world) so below (Jesse's alive/dead world).

Merging of worlds? Sure.

Just don't get lost in the details.

Chaol, I'm trying to teach myself EC language and neuricons...but I'm having a hard time understanding if I put the value on something? I'm having a hard time even asking my question in English....sheesh....

Let me try again with example....

The word "constitution" was used for +S neutral I but from who's perspective is this given a +S?

Maybe I'm misunderstanding something here, and sorry for being off topic but I've have been absorbing all this knowledge like a sponge and I'm really excited about it :)

Thank you again Chaol.

Sure. The nature of perspective. That there is an endless variety of perspectives that only seem to be separate.

You imply that you'd like everyone to share in this experience. But it really would go against nature (I use these terms for ease of explanation).



Not sure about any starting point or "upgrades", but I love hot sauce!

Why realize something that is impossible to forget?

We have only to realize what perspective is, rather than to seek or hope for something that does not exist.

The idea of the example is that it depends on your interpretation.

Make it yours, and change it to something that suits you.

When you perceive, you perceive values.

WHO is 'giving' values to what is being perceived?

You, of course.

Do not worry about the values of other persons.

The values of others are compatible with your own because those persons are also values in your perspective.

So it may be off-putting to think that words in Ec are flexible (as far as meaning, or value) but it's no different than your reality.

What is "bad" today may be "good" tomorrow.

To have a meaning for a word that changes very little through the centuries limits both our minds and our realities.

Words in Ec are alive, just like your perspective.

Can you imagine a tool that works closely with perspective that is not as seemingly flexible as perspective?

That is probably the most difficult thing to grasp, from what I can see in this forum, but it's not impossible to.

We have only to think outside of English :)

(I'm thinking about the other post you replied to so I'll go ahead and reply to this one first.)

Why do you feel realizing Oneness is impossible to forget? My husband does it all the time.

He sees himself as One with everything, but he forgets and enjoys the drama. He says it gets kind of boring to always see the Oneness.

Edit: Btw, a lot of spiritual teachers in our world talk about experiencing this state of Oneness.

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Also, 23047384, keep in mind that Ec is a tool of perspective.

You can translate the phrase "I took a trip to France last year" from English to Ec, which is what most of us think to do...

or you can experience a very similar perspective (i.e., that specific trip to France)

Our minds want to do a direct translation of words, but Ec allows for the experience of perspective.

A page of Ec contains more information than all the knowledge of all the libraries on Earth. Why read about something when you can experience it yourself?

If there is only 1 thing then "oneness" is irrelevant.

What would it matter if nothing else were possible? There would be no everything, only the illusion of everything.

You would all ready be it. So there'd be no need to remember.

He sees himself in everything and feels one with it. But, it depends on his focus. He can also focus on the drama, which he does most of the time as far as I can tell.

Ok Chaol, thanks for the tip...

I think I'm being too structured in my thinking, not allowing possibilities.

Might have something to do with fear of being wrong or misinterpreting this infomation, time to practice 'un-logic' I guess and see what I can learn if I suppose I am wrong...

I want to give you tremendous credit for helping me shift my perspective these last few weeks. I, like a lot of other people here, enjoy reading and learning from your perspective.

I see you as kind :)

Chaol,

Would it be accurate to state that "I am the act of experience"?

Not-Chaol

Okay, let me try it from this angle.

I visited Prince George Island, BC where there is no hunting allowed. Therefore, the deer played tag all around us and the atmosphere was of a high energy for everyone. Would you say this was an unnatural environment? Were the deer and humans going against nature?

We are evolving into a different type physicality, why not also a different type psychology?

I love hot sauce too. Here's a great recipe to use it in:
Thread: Greens, black-eyed peas n' cornbread, easy skillet recipe for New Year's Day

However, for the game in my dream, I'd just as soon use water or whipped cream. So, why did you ask about my last dream? heh!

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Chaol, I have a new Genius Model I'd like to get your advice on before I put her into service. This new Model represents my authorization-clearance badge/credential that I will have for access to my unit at my new job.

Symbol: A casino chip I won a long time ago with a medal I also won bonded to it with metal and magnet adornments I have decorated it with.

Possibility: My body and the space around it, particularly attached to a belt loop with my shirt tail pulled out covering it.

Interaction: Everything I 'bump' it against in the course of my day while wearing it and especially the objects I 'show' it to as part of its logic function.

Logic: I will attach it to my person every morning when I don't tuck in my shirt. At key times during the day, I will 'show' it as I would a security badge to whatever I happen to need 'access' to...or just because it happens to be at a certain, predetermined time of day. I will keep it in the same spot as my wallet/keys/pocket knife when undressing/dressing.

How's that sound, Chaol?? As all ways, thanks for the help!

I just wanted to share the one thing I remember from my dream that I had this morning.

The only thing I remember is asking one of my brothers something along the lines of "Do you want to watch the dreamworld?"

I feel as if I was referring to it as some sort of video game or TV show or something.

And then I woke up! Maybe we decided to interact with the "dreamworld" and it immediately brought me to my waking reality?

First time I can recall ever referring to something called the "dreamworld" in my dreams. Interesting nonetheless! ;)

And in what reality do you think the following concepts make sense?

-chasing people
-squirt bottles
-hot sauce

Do you think that is what was actually happening in the dream, or how you interpreted it in your waking mind?

We can conceptually imagine this but it does not mean that we actually understand it or can use it.

It's not actually possible to understand it, because it would mean understanding nothing-in-particular.

Nothing-in-particular is free of understanding, free of concepts, free of perspective (i.e., those things are meaningless to it).

I don't think the following would be a popular statement but 'teachers' that talk about "oneness with everything" are actually working against nature. But it certainly provides them with a nice bottom line.

It is far more natural to divide perspective than to pretend that experiencing one perspective.

Being One would mean that we would experience not existing.

So, with all this in mind, am I looking at a "genius map" playing out? I see it as an almost "reckess and careless" use for it.

The credit goes to all of us here. I posted the same message (to begin this forum) on an other website but it was only the people on this website who thought to respond. Without all of you here, I'd have nothing to say :)

Unlearning the logic we have learned can be quite difficult. It may be easier to practice by doing things you don't believe in doing, that you would not usually do, or doing things that you all ready do in a different way.

Then you can see the value of other brands of logic (even if you don't agree with them, the act still validates the possibility), and lessen your grip on your current one.

It depends on how accurate we want to be.

Sure, you can say that but it would be more accurate to say that you are that that exists before action and before interaction.

To be a bit less accurate than the above, we could say that we are the result of all things in existence interacting. (The relationship between the symbols.)

Less so again, we are a perspective that experiences the values of our perspective to be different perspective.

All of this is a bit boring and difficult to grasp for some, so I suppose "I am action" (or interaction) works too.

I think the dream makes sense in both realities because it was about the feeling of freedom and having fun with friends. I think my waking mind used these concepts to explain it so it makes sense to me.

I love angles!

There is nothing that is not natural, so when I say that wanting everyone to share in the same experience (same perspective) goes against nature I mean that it is working against the impossible.

To exist, all perspectives must (seem to) exist.

I'm not saying that the deer and such were going against nature. I'm saying that the deer and such exist entirely in your perspective.

They all ready share your perspective.

But to want parts of your perspective to have the same experience as you is going against nature (for lack of better terms) because it is implying that they exist outside of your perspective.

As I've stated before, there is nothing that exists that is not physical. Psychology is a property of physicality, as sound (or matter) is a property of light. All of these are valid illusions and all stem from our physically-oriented perspective.

We can perceive only from this physically-oriented perspective so all values in our perspective (including psychology) are properties of this perspective rather than independent from it.

We are realizing more of what we all ready are. Valid illusions abound!