Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

Aha! The bold statement above makes sense to me because it never felt right to me with the little I dabbled into it. Also, the ones that profess it are not able to exist in this world very easily. I see it as a separation of mind and body myself.

And yes, it very easily is a concept that makes sense to some but doesn't mean they actually understand what they are experiencing.

Thanks, Chaol.

Hi.

Try something more used for its space for your Possibility element.

Do others in your perspective use your body for its space? Or do you?

When you have a new element you may want to re-do interaction according to it.

Then we will rock this model!

And here we are thinking that we are awake :)

If we know and understand 0.000000000000000000001% while 'awake' and 0.0000000000023 while 'dreaming', which one is the dream world!

Okay, I see it's all in my perspective and is probably impossible for all to share my experience. But, why is it I see myself influencing the world at times? (Others do too, I'm not the only one.)

Is it just my interpretation and something else is actually happening? Why do you call yourself destroyer of worlds? Aren't you seeing yourself as influencing the world?

Edit: Btw, in the post before this, you ask:

"If we know and understand 0.000000000000000000001% while 'awake' and 0.0000000000023 while 'dreaming', which one is the dream world!"

Are you saying we understand more while dreaming than while awake? (No wonder I like my dreaming world so much more, LOL!) What is the difference in our "awake" mind and dreaming mind?

Thanks

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I'm lost as to what you're saying here. Can you please clarify the above statements and also give me some 'for instance'....?

Thanks. I want to rock a model so bad!!!! Oh just for an inkling of understanding....

Chaol, to elaborate a bit more on what I wrote, I believe I follow you on your statement about using my body for space...and my rational for having my body as the space element for this model was that it represents a security/clearance badge/i.d.--which is kept on my body at all times during my time at the new job.

I'm still at a loss for the entirety of your advice to me, especially the last part about, "re-do interaction according to it". Please elaborate.

Thanks for helping me out...for helping us all out.

XWon, imo, you showed us a wonderful way to use a symbol. Remember when you took one to the classroom and people picked it up and talked about it? That was amazing and opened my eyes. You do have an inkling. But I'm with you as far as there is still so much to learn.

I would love to rock a model. And I'm thinking I need to do one for a "soft landing."

Chaol, would you check this one for me? It's for a soft landing as things change and I'd like it to rock too. (I'm having difficulty with the desire part but I think the rest might be ok.)

Desire: Laughter during May, 2013
Symbol: Paperclip with orange mark and carpet fuzz taped to it.
Space: Bedroom window sill (or would outside the sill be better?)
Interaction: Sunlight, people coming into the room, cars driving by window, people walking by on the street.
Logic: Will open window on Wednesdays and say: "I am "boguy" and having fun." boguy=laughing in May, 2013. Cars will drive by window, sunlight comes in window, people walk by on the street talking, air will circulate around it on Wednesdays when the window is open. Will raise my eyebrows every time someone comes in the room on Wednesdays. Will mark 4. every time I laugh on Wednesdays.

Edit: Also, I have about 5 Genius plans right now. And, I make the symbols for them in the same room before I take them out. And I have 2 symbols that stay in that room most of the time, except for when they are scheduled to leave.

PLUS, remember I found the piece of furniture that I knew was my symbol? It's not in a Genius plan but it's in the same room. So, my question is, am I messing everything up by having all those symbols in the same space even though it's my space? I'm thinking I could get rid of all the Genius plans except this soft landing one or else reduce to this soft landing one and one of the others. What do you think?

Thanks

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Xwon,

Examples of things used for space include envelopes, drawers, bottles, cans, etc.

Not-Chaol

I don't think so. Unless you made one for the 'resultant' perspective.

Some things are just chaos at play.

I see.

So what part of the "chasing people", "squirt bottles", and "hot sauce" experience do you think was a dream world experience (and not an interpretation of it)?

Indeed! It had me thinking that at the same time I was <going to the dreamworld> "over there" I was <waking up> here. Same thing?

This reality really is an other one's dreamworld ;)

I think all three of those are the interpretation of the dreamworld experience.

Since you love angles, heh, let's try this one.

I've talked with you about how a lot of things are done from the "spiritual" within this world. I've seen and done things myself, that seem "supernatural"....and so have some close friends of mine.

Some of these activities seem extraordinary. Such things as reading people's minds, precognition, affecting reality in various ways, bi-location, NDE and on and on. Some report they are born with these abilities and did them as a child.

Even though these abilities may have been achieved through "unnatural" ways, how do you explain these things?

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Nope, I did not "consciously" produce one for this resultant perspective (I did, though, "hope" my wife would work with me instead of against me), but I could argue this whole experience has pushed me up a level in my goal to perceive an "expanded awareness". I am almost "suddenly" aware of "things"(symbols, logic and possibility) I hadn't noticed previously.

It's "all" gotten so interesting since about mid December (and most of it centers around my interaction with my perceived "symbol" of my wife). That's why I thought it might qualify as an "unintentional" use of the genius. Gotta love them (accurate or inaccurate) "aha!" moments, I'd argue they're one of my "carrots on a stick".

Cheers to Chaos (although my "ego" would like to see it differently). Thanks again Chaol.

Surely the world is not outside of your perspective?


What besides your interpretation could there possibly be?


I call myself a destroyer because no one else is willing to take up the title. We often pretend that only creation is of benefit and ignore the possibilities that destruction unveils. I mean "destruction" in the classical sense rather than the Hollywood sense. Tearing down one perspective to unveil an other. Really, there is neither creation nor destruction but rather an unveiling. But "unveiler" is more strange than my persona allows. The unseen hand of chaos slowly pulls back the curtain.


Any aspect of a reality (value of perspective, as I call it) has an effect on all others. So, yes, I am aware of the influence.



There are more interactions in the dreaming perspective, so the potential for understanding is much more significant. (More realized interactions per value, you could say. Or more interactions per second, to be less accurate.)

That's the only difference.

Your possibility element could be your hat, your shoes, a room, a wall, a field (if used).. anything used for its space.

It does not really matter what it is, though you may have different kinds of success with different kinds of spaces.

Each element has a secret life as every other kind of element. A symbol element is also an interaction, possibility, and logic element. (There's only 1 element, fundamentally interpreted 4 different ways in our perspective.)

So, the Possibility element that you use (whatever space you choose) represents (is a symbol for the) possibility and adopts its function. (That's why it doesn't matter so much what kind of space you choose.)

Hope this helps =D

By using your body and ignoring the requirement of the Possibility element, it sounds like you're trying to out-think the Genius ;)

Just follow the rules and let it do its work.

My statement, "...re-do interaction..." just means that when you have a new Possibility element then I would suggest you make a new Interaction element that suits it.

Feel free to ask any other questions about it.

Aren't you using that Symbol for something else?

Regardless, the idea of creating these physical Genius models is so that we can more easily learn (Karate Kid-style) how to do it mentally. The same process would be at work, so I suppose you'd have the same questions.

You could have multiple symbols in the same space though I would not recommend it. Better to use other spaces for it. (The possibilities would decrease when it's more crowded.)

There's so much space from which to choose! It would be ironic, I suppose, if you had a hard time finding space for your "possibility" element =O

Thanks, Noch :)

Yes, quite. And in each we think it is Reality.

They're both equally valid and equally real because (as I've mentioned before) they're different interpretations of the same thing.

As the two worlds merge more of us will have the "This is a dream, isn't it?" feeling. And more of us in the dream world will have the same sense, as you may have experienced.

As I stated a while ago, 2012 is the time when the actors will begin to be exposed. We're experiencing this literally and figuratively. The point is to understand that the stage is much, much bigger than you imagine.

So imagine that you weren't dreaming of it... interpreting stimuli while awake.

Really, you never actually fall asleep. You are all ways aware.

What we call sleeping or dreaming is simply your interpretation of other values that are not so relative to where you're standing now (With "going to sleep" the act of making that transition.)

We interpret those foreign values all the time while not "sleeping". We may find ourselves daydreaming, with missing time, in a coma, being in situations that don't make sense to us, et c.

So, "gui7lus minor tresemble.II" in one perspective (dreaming) becomes "chasing people" in an other (thinking about your dream).

Both are interpretations of the same thing. But your waking mind does not remember "gui7lus minor tresemble.II" because it is not relative to it. Instead, it interprets the geometry of relationships in a way that does make sense and comes up with "chasing people".

And so (most importantly) we are chasing people in a dream and cashing checks while awake.

(While awake, we are also interpreting these relationships. We are not really looking at a monitor reading these words, since an absolute monitor cannot possibly exist. Our "reality" is comprised entirely of interpreting relationships.)

And so, the value of interaction (so that there could be relationships) and the meaninglessness of One-ness.

Imagine that in 5 years pre-cognition became an accepted fact and everyone was experiencing it. Journals and papers were written, and someone even won the Nobel prize. [Just fantasy.. humor me] News reports worked it into their stories, society in general worked it into its psyche.

Would it still be extraordinary? After many years it would just be human nature. Eventually it would be forgotten that there was a time that it was quite unusual, aye, unbelievable that humans lived without the ability.

The most amazing human feats abound, often without participants realizing the wonder that just occurred. That we are even able to speak and communicate with one-another is amazing in itself. We have senses of sight, sound, taste... And the ability to reason.

All of these things that we take for granted would be considered no less than "supernatural" to our distant ancestors. Even the act of running to the water fountain is magic.

They can be explained as you just did. Abilities.

What some call supernatural or spiritual I just call perspective. And all of the above cannot seem to be without it.

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Sometimes the truth, if there ever was such a thing, is best left in the shadows.

But I'm happy to hear that it's worked out to your satisfaction.

(I can almost see Unit3 scream, "I knew it! There is a Truth".. heh)

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I'll answer your other posts later. I'm thinking about them right now. (And no, it doesn't hurt, heh! Just rewinding a few brain patterns!)

Ok, so I will keep all the other elements the same, but the possibility element will now be my wallet, which I will keep in my left front pocket where I usually keep my money clip. My reasoning for this choice is twofold: 1. The symbol represents my security/clearance I.D. for my new job and 2. I will keep it in a space usually reserved for my cash money...thus doing/representing some thing in a different way in my attempt to perceive an other situation where I'll be getting a new job that leads to much more [money].

Yes, Chaol, your illustratin helped a lot. Thanks! And it certainly fits my bill that I would have trouble finding space for possibility...I'm a huge sucker for irony.

Also, thanks to Unit3 and Not-Chaol for your words and advice.

So, Chaol, any thing else before I put this Model to work??

FYI: I read this morning's posts here and felt a wave come over me.

So, I went outside to take a walk and looked up. The clouds looked like ocean waves. I found a photo that looks like what I saw.

[link to flic.kr]

I'll be back later.

We had those on dec 21st...

I am sort of time travelling right now, stitching a reproduction of a 'merklap' my grandmother made in 1917; and I got a message from my dad that he has a photo of my great-grandmother for me. There are almost no pictures of her; it's the 3rd I know of...

I think I -really- see it now, strange being sat inside and knowing.

I cant explain getting to a point and appreciating a 'distraction'.

I will find a particular quote of yours when I have time about forgetting, it rings true but I cant quite recall.

I see the purpose.

Brilliant experience to learn indeed, which reminds me, I should reply in the other thread too. ;)



Funny how you mentioned pre-cognition. Pringles.

Your past recent few pages of material seem to co-inside with the past few days of my life, very interesting, as always thanks for sharing.







Another Mental Genius Example what worked instantly..well sort of.

So! My head phones were getting pretty old, one of the ears was beginning to only work when the wire was a certain way and it wouldn't work all the time, normally I would of carried on using them for as long as possible, but I thought #@&! it, I will use the Genius to get some new ones. (show trust and faith is my point here)

So I mentally drew a symbol, it really was a random squiggle to "perceive bringing some new headphones to my perspective" and I tell no lies, instantly my phone delivered an email from a sports company I had purchased things from previously saying "massive savings up to 70% off head phones offer ends today"

3 days later they were on my ears.

What else needs saying :) very happy with the product too!

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Who is the other? heh!

There is nothing outside of my perspective but I like hearing how you explain things because I have been seeing a different way of looking at things in my perspective.

So, more interaction=potentially more understanding? Verrrrry interesting and highly motivating. Thank you.