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Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

 
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It may not be of import to you to realize such things because as far as I can tell, you do realize it. This is my own interpretation, of course.

But, I feel you realize it and therefore, choose to create drama, separate and forget because you have the choice to do so. See what I mean?

Everything is to learn from....even a flower growing through a crack in the cement. That was one of the best lessons of my life, btw.
 Quoting: Unit3


Why realize something that is impossible to forget?

We have only to realize what perspective is, rather than to seek or hope for something that does not exist.
 Quoting: Chaol


(I'm thinking about the other post you replied to so I'll go ahead and reply to this one first.)

Why do you feel realizing Oneness is impossible to forget? My husband does it all the time.

He sees himself as One with everything, but he forgets and enjoys the drama. He says it gets kind of boring to always see the Oneness.

Edit: Btw, a lot of spiritual teachers in our world talk about experiencing this state of Oneness.
 Quoting: Unit3


We can conceptually imagine this but it does not mean that we actually understand it or can use it.

It's not actually possible to understand it, because it would mean understanding nothing-in-particular.

Nothing-in-particular is free of understanding, free of concepts, free of perspective (i.e., those things are meaningless to it).

I don't think the following would be a popular statement but 'teachers' that talk about "oneness with everything" are actually working against nature. But it certainly provides them with a nice bottom line.

It is far more natural to divide perspective than to pretend that experiencing one perspective.

Being One would mean that we would experience not existing.
 Quoting: Chaol



Aha! The bold statement above makes sense to me because it never felt right to me with the little I dabbled into it. Also, the ones that profess it are not able to exist in this world very easily. I see it as a separation of mind and body myself.

And yes, it very easily is a concept that makes sense to some but doesn't mean they actually understand what they are experiencing.

Thanks, Chaol.
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Chaol, I have a new Genius Model I'd like to get your advice on before I put her into service. This new Model represents my authorization-clearance badge/credential that I will have for access to my unit at my new job.

Symbol: A casino chip I won a long time ago with a medal I also won bonded to it with metal and magnet adornments I have decorated it with.

Possibility: My body and the space around it, particularly attached to a belt loop with my shirt tail pulled out covering it.

Interaction: Everything I 'bump' it against in the course of my day while wearing it and especially the objects I 'show' it to as part of its logic function.

Logic: I will attach it to my person every morning when I don't tuck in my shirt. At key times during the day, I will 'show' it as I would a security badge to whatever I happen to need 'access' to...or just because it happens to be at a certain, predetermined time of day. I will keep it in the same spot as my wallet/keys/pocket knife when undressing/dressing.

How's that sound, Chaol?? As all ways, thanks for the help!
 Quoting: X Won 1407931


Hi.

Try something more used for its space for your Possibility element.

Do others in your perspective use your body for its space? Or do you?

When you have a new element you may want to re-do interaction according to it.

Then we will rock this model!
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I just wanted to share the one thing I remember from my dream that I had this morning.

The only thing I remember is asking one of my brothers something along the lines of "Do you want to watch the dreamworld?"

I feel as if I was referring to it as some sort of video game or TV show or something.

And then I woke up! Maybe we decided to interact with the "dreamworld" and it immediately brought me to my waking reality?

First time I can recall ever referring to something called the "dreamworld" in my dreams. Interesting nonetheless! ;)
 Quoting: Arellios 5188815


And here we are thinking that we are awake :)

If we know and understand 0.000000000000000000001% while 'awake' and 0.0000000000023 while 'dreaming', which one is the dream world!
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First off, what do you mean by "perhaps we are meant to seem different"....meant by whom or what? Some kind of Universal Law?
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Sure. The nature of perspective. That there is an endless variety of perspectives that only seem to be separate.

You imply that you'd like everyone to share in this experience. But it really would go against nature (I use these terms for ease of explanation).

And, we would still be different anyway but with a universal starting point so to speak. We already have basic humanity and all I'm talking about is what I consider an upgrade in our basics.

In my last dream, a bunch of us were chasing each other around with squirt bottles of hot sauce. It was a whole lot of fun.

Well, it's the waking mind I am very interesting in affecting!
 Quoting: Unit3


Not sure about any starting point or "upgrades", but I love hot sauce!
 Quoting: Chaol




Okay, let me try it from this angle.

I visited Prince George Island, BC where there is no hunting allowed. Therefore, the deer played tag all around us and the atmosphere was of a high energy for everyone. Would you say this was an unnatural environment? Were the deer and humans going against nature?

We are evolving into a different type physicality, why not also a different type psychology?

I love hot sauce too. Here's a great recipe to use it in:
Thread: Greens, black-eyed peas n' cornbread, easy skillet recipe for New Year's Day

However, for the game in my dream, I'd just as soon use water or whipped cream. So, why did you ask about my last dream? heh!
 Quoting: Unit3


I love angles!

There is nothing that is not natural, so when I say that wanting everyone to share in the same experience (same perspective) goes against nature I mean that it is working against the impossible.

To exist, all perspectives must (seem to) exist.

I'm not saying that the deer and such were going against nature. I'm saying that the deer and such exist entirely in your perspective.

They all ready share your perspective.

But to want parts of your perspective to have the same experience as you is going against nature (for lack of better terms) because it is implying that they exist outside of your perspective.

As I've stated before, there is nothing that exists that is not physical. Psychology is a property of physicality, as sound (or matter) is a property of light. All of these are valid illusions and all stem from our physically-oriented perspective.

We can perceive only from this physically-oriented perspective so all values in our perspective (including psychology) are properties of this perspective rather than independent from it.

We are realizing more of what we all ready are. Valid illusions abound!
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Okay, I see it's all in my perspective and is probably impossible for all to share my experience. But, why is it I see myself influencing the world at times? (Others do too, I'm not the only one.)

Is it just my interpretation and something else is actually happening? Why do you call yourself destroyer of worlds? Aren't you seeing yourself as influencing the world?

Edit: Btw, in the post before this, you ask:

"If we know and understand 0.000000000000000000001% while 'awake' and 0.0000000000023 while 'dreaming', which one is the dream world!"

Are you saying we understand more while dreaming than while awake? (No wonder I like my dreaming world so much more, LOL!) What is the difference in our "awake" mind and dreaming mind?

Thanks

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Try something more used for its space for your Possibility element.

Do others in your perspective use your body for its space? Or do you?

When you have a new element you may want to re-do interaction according to it.

Then we will rock this model!
 Quoting: Chaol



I'm lost as to what you're saying here. Can you please clarify the above statements and also give me some 'for instance'....?

Thanks. I want to rock a model so bad!!!! Oh just for an inkling of understanding....
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Try something more used for its space for your Possibility element.

Do others in your perspective use your body for its space? Or do you?

When you have a new element you may want to re-do interaction according to it.

Then we will rock this model!
 Quoting: Chaol



I'm lost as to what you're saying here. Can you please clarify the above statements and also give me some 'for instance'....?

Thanks. I want to rock a model so bad!!!! Oh just for an inkling of understanding....
 Quoting: X Won 1407931


Chaol, to elaborate a bit more on what I wrote, I believe I follow you on your statement about using my body for space...and my rational for having my body as the space element for this model was that it represents a security/clearance badge/i.d.--which is kept on my body at all times during my time at the new job.

I'm still at a loss for the entirety of your advice to me, especially the last part about, "re-do interaction according to it". Please elaborate.

Thanks for helping me out...for helping us all out.
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Try something more used for its space for your Possibility element.

Do others in your perspective use your body for its space? Or do you?

When you have a new element you may want to re-do interaction according to it.

Then we will rock this model!
 Quoting: Chaol



I'm lost as to what you're saying here. Can you please clarify the above statements and also give me some 'for instance'....?

Thanks. I want to rock a model so bad!!!! Oh just for an inkling of understanding....
 Quoting: X Won 1407931



XWon, imo, you showed us a wonderful way to use a symbol. Remember when you took one to the classroom and people picked it up and talked about it? That was amazing and opened my eyes. You do have an inkling. But I'm with you as far as there is still so much to learn.

I would love to rock a model. And I'm thinking I need to do one for a "soft landing."

Chaol, would you check this one for me? It's for a soft landing as things change and I'd like it to rock too. (I'm having difficulty with the desire part but I think the rest might be ok.)

Desire: Laughter during May, 2013
Symbol: Paperclip with orange mark and carpet fuzz taped to it.
Space: Bedroom window sill (or would outside the sill be better?)
Interaction: Sunlight, people coming into the room, cars driving by window, people walking by on the street.
Logic: Will open window on Wednesdays and say: "I am "boguy" and having fun." boguy=laughing in May, 2013. Cars will drive by window, sunlight comes in window, people walk by on the street talking, air will circulate around it on Wednesdays when the window is open. Will raise my eyebrows every time someone comes in the room on Wednesdays. Will mark 4. every time I laugh on Wednesdays.

Edit: Also, I have about 5 Genius plans right now. And, I make the symbols for them in the same room before I take them out. And I have 2 symbols that stay in that room most of the time, except for when they are scheduled to leave.

PLUS, remember I found the piece of furniture that I knew was my symbol? It's not in a Genius plan but it's in the same room. So, my question is, am I messing everything up by having all those symbols in the same space even though it's my space? I'm thinking I could get rid of all the Genius plans except this soft landing one or else reduce to this soft landing one and one of the others. What do you think?

Thanks

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Xwon,

Examples of things used for space include envelopes, drawers, bottles, cans, etc.

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I don't want to be too specific on this forum, but my question was more of, "If she died, would you die too?"

But as you mentioned you are on the other side of the fence, so to speak. Possibilities abound :)
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ok, good. That is how I interpreted your question. Thank you Chaol.

Of course I would die too. The person I would have been would have died to allow the person (perspective) I am to come into focus.

In a way this has already happened, just from an "objective" perspective we are both "not dead".

Thanks again, oh destroyer of worlds.
hf
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Aye, as a relative part of you and yours is passed all ready.

One becomes two. One waking the other dreaming. (Or, alive and dead)

Because your "dreaming" self is very much like you (for a time, because you split) your waking self can have a new perspective because of this new relationship.

As above (waking/dreaming world) so below (Jesse's alive/dead world).
 Quoting: Chaol

hf
So, with all this in mind, am I looking at a "genius map" playing out? I see it as an almost "reckess and careless" use for it.
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I don't think so. Unless you made one for the 'resultant' perspective.

Some things are just chaos at play.
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/snips/

In my last dream, a bunch of us were chasing each other around with squirt bottles of hot sauce. It was a whole lot of fun.

Well, it's the waking mind I am very interesting in affecting!
 Quoting: Unit3


And in what reality do you think the following concepts make sense?

-chasing people
-squirt bottles
-hot sauce

Do you think that is what was actually happening in the dream, or how you interpreted it in your waking mind?
 Quoting: Chaol

I think the dream makes sense in both realities because it was about the feeling of freedom and having fun with friends. I think my waking mind used these concepts to explain it so it makes sense to me.
 Quoting: Unit3


I see.

So what part of the "chasing people", "squirt bottles", and "hot sauce" experience do you think was a dream world experience (and not an interpretation of it)?
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I just wanted to share the one thing I remember from my dream that I had this morning.

The only thing I remember is asking one of my brothers something along the lines of "Do you want to watch the dreamworld?"

I feel as if I was referring to it as some sort of video game or TV show or something.

And then I woke up! Maybe we decided to interact with the "dreamworld" and it immediately brought me to my waking reality?

First time I can recall ever referring to something called the "dreamworld" in my dreams. Interesting nonetheless! ;)
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And here we are thinking that we are awake :)

If we know and understand 0.000000000000000000001% while 'awake' and 0.0000000000023 while 'dreaming', which one is the dream world!
 Quoting: Chaol


Indeed! It had me thinking that at the same time I was <going to the dreamworld> "over there" I was <waking up> here. Same thing?

This reality really is an other one's dreamworld ;)
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/snips/

In my last dream, a bunch of us were chasing each other around with squirt bottles of hot sauce. It was a whole lot of fun.

Well, it's the waking mind I am very interesting in affecting!
 Quoting: Unit3


And in what reality do you think the following concepts make sense?

-chasing people
-squirt bottles
-hot sauce

Do you think that is what was actually happening in the dream, or how you interpreted it in your waking mind?
 Quoting: Chaol

I think the dream makes sense in both realities because it was about the feeling of freedom and having fun with friends. I think my waking mind used these concepts to explain it so it makes sense to me.
 Quoting: Unit3


I see.

So what part of the "chasing people", "squirt bottles", and "hot sauce" experience do you think was a dream world experience (and not an interpretation of it)?
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I think all three of those are the interpretation of the dreamworld experience.
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/snips/


First off, what do you mean by "perhaps we are meant to seem different"....meant by whom or what? Some kind of Universal Law?
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Sure. The nature of perspective. That there is an endless variety of perspectives that only seem to be separate.

You imply that you'd like everyone to share in this experience. But it really would go against nature (I use these terms for ease of explanation).

And, we would still be different anyway but with a universal starting point so to speak. We already have basic humanity and all I'm talking about is what I consider an upgrade in our basics.

In my last dream, a bunch of us were chasing each other around with squirt bottles of hot sauce. It was a whole lot of fun.

Well, it's the waking mind I am very interesting in affecting!
 Quoting: Unit3


Not sure about any starting point or "upgrades", but I love hot sauce!
 Quoting: Chaol




Okay, let me try it from this angle.

I visited Prince George Island, BC where there is no hunting allowed. Therefore, the deer played tag all around us and the atmosphere was of a high energy for everyone. Would you say this was an unnatural environment? Were the deer and humans going against nature?

We are evolving into a different type physicality, why not also a different type psychology?

I love hot sauce too. Here's a great recipe to use it in:
Thread: Greens, black-eyed peas n' cornbread, easy skillet recipe for New Year's Day

However, for the game in my dream, I'd just as soon use water or whipped cream. So, why did you ask about my last dream? heh!
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I love angles!
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Since you love angles, heh, let's try this one.

I've talked with you about how a lot of things are done from the "spiritual" within this world. I've seen and done things myself, that seem "supernatural"....and so have some close friends of mine.

Some of these activities seem extraordinary. Such things as reading people's minds, precognition, affecting reality in various ways, bi-location, NDE and on and on. Some report they are born with these abilities and did them as a child.

Even though these abilities may have been achieved through "unnatural" ways, how do you explain these things?

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ok, good. That is how I interpreted your question. Thank you Chaol.

Of course I would die too. The person I would have been would have died to allow the person (perspective) I am to come into focus.

In a way this has already happened, just from an "objective" perspective we are both "not dead".

Thanks again, oh destroyer of worlds.
hf
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Aye, as a relative part of you and yours is passed all ready.

One becomes two. One waking the other dreaming. (Or, alive and dead)

Because your "dreaming" self is very much like you (for a time, because you split) your waking self can have a new perspective because of this new relationship.

As above (waking/dreaming world) so below (Jesse's alive/dead world).
 Quoting: Chaol

hf
So, with all this in mind, am I looking at a "genius map" playing out? I see it as an almost "reckless and careless" use for it.
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


I don't think so. Unless you made one for the 'resultant' perspective.

Some things are just chaos at play.
 Quoting: Chaol


Nope, I did not "consciously" produce one for this resultant perspective (I did, though, "hope" my wife would work with me instead of against me), but I could argue this whole experience has pushed me up a level in my goal to perceive an "expanded awareness". I am almost "suddenly" aware of "things"(symbols, logic and possibility) I hadn't noticed previously.

It's "all" gotten so interesting since about mid December (and most of it centers around my interaction with my perceived "symbol" of my wife). That's why I thought it might qualify as an "unintentional" use of the genius. Gotta love them (accurate or inaccurate) "aha!" moments, I'd argue they're one of my "carrots on a stick".

Cheers to Chaos (although my "ego" would like to see it differently). Thanks again Chaol.
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Okay, I see it's all in my perspective and is probably impossible for all to share my experience. But, why is it I see myself influencing the world at times? (Others do too, I'm not the only one.)
 Quoting: Unit3

Surely the world is not outside of your perspective?

Is it just my interpretation and something else is actually happening?
 Quoting: Unit3

What besides your interpretation could there possibly be?

Why do you call yourself destroyer of worlds?
 Quoting: Unit3

I call myself a destroyer because no one else is willing to take up the title. We often pretend that only creation is of benefit and ignore the possibilities that destruction unveils. I mean "destruction" in the classical sense rather than the Hollywood sense. Tearing down one perspective to unveil an other. Really, there is neither creation nor destruction but rather an unveiling. But "unveiler" is more strange than my persona allows. The unseen hand of chaos slowly pulls back the curtain.

Aren't you seeing yourself as influencing the world?
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Any aspect of a reality (value of perspective, as I call it) has an effect on all others. So, yes, I am aware of the influence.

Edit: Btw, in the post before this, you ask:

"If we know and understand 0.000000000000000000001% while 'awake' and 0.0000000000023 while 'dreaming', which one is the dream world!"

Are you saying we understand more while dreaming than while awake? (No wonder I like my dreaming world so much more, LOL!) What is the difference in our "awake" mind and dreaming mind?

Thanks
 Quoting: Unit3


There are more interactions in the dreaming perspective, so the potential for understanding is much more significant. (More realized interactions per value, you could say. Or more interactions per second, to be less accurate.)

That's the only difference.
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Try something more used for its space for your Possibility element.

Do others in your perspective use your body for its space? Or do you?

When you have a new element you may want to re-do interaction according to it.

Then we will rock this model!
 Quoting: Chaol


I'm lost as to what you're saying here. Can you please clarify the above statements and also give me some 'for instance'....?

Thanks. I want to rock a model so bad!!!! Oh just for an inkling of understanding....
 Quoting: X Won 1407931


Your possibility element could be your hat, your shoes, a room, a wall, a field (if used).. anything used for its space.

It does not really matter what it is, though you may have different kinds of success with different kinds of spaces.

Each element has a secret life as every other kind of element. A symbol element is also an interaction, possibility, and logic element. (There's only 1 element, fundamentally interpreted 4 different ways in our perspective.)

So, the Possibility element that you use (whatever space you choose) represents (is a symbol for the) possibility and adopts its function. (That's why it doesn't matter so much what kind of space you choose.)

Hope this helps =D
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Try something more used for its space for your Possibility element.

Do others in your perspective use your body for its space? Or do you?

When you have a new element you may want to re-do interaction according to it.

Then we will rock this model!
 Quoting: Chaol



I'm lost as to what you're saying here. Can you please clarify the above statements and also give me some 'for instance'....?

Thanks. I want to rock a model so bad!!!! Oh just for an inkling of understanding....
 Quoting: X Won 1407931


Chaol, to elaborate a bit more on what I wrote, I believe I follow you on your statement about using my body for space...and my rational for having my body as the space element for this model was that it represents a security/clearance badge/i.d.--which is kept on my body at all times during my time at the new job.

I'm still at a loss for the entirety of your advice to me, especially the last part about, "re-do interaction according to it". Please elaborate.

Thanks for helping me out...for helping us all out.
 Quoting: X Won 1407931


By using your body and ignoring the requirement of the Possibility element, it sounds like you're trying to out-think the Genius ;)

Just follow the rules and let it do its work.

My statement, "...re-do interaction..." just means that when you have a new Possibility element then I would suggest you make a new Interaction element that suits it.

Feel free to ask any other questions about it.
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Try something more used for its space for your Possibility element.

Do others in your perspective use your body for its space? Or do you?

When you have a new element you may want to re-do interaction according to it.

Then we will rock this model!
 Quoting: Chaol



I'm lost as to what you're saying here. Can you please clarify the above statements and also give me some 'for instance'....?

Thanks. I want to rock a model so bad!!!! Oh just for an inkling of understanding....
 Quoting: X Won 1407931



XWon, imo, you showed us a wonderful way to use a symbol. Remember when you took one to the classroom and people picked it up and talked about it? That was amazing and opened my eyes. You do have an inkling. But I'm with you as far as there is still so much to learn.

I would love to rock a model. And I'm thinking I need to do one for a "soft landing."

Chaol, would you check this one for me? It's for a soft landing as things change and I'd like it to rock too. (I'm having difficulty with the desire part but I think the rest might be ok.)

Desire: Laughter during May, 2013
Symbol: Paperclip with orange mark and carpet fuzz taped to it.
Space: Bedroom window sill (or would outside the sill be better?)
Interaction: Sunlight, people coming into the room, cars driving by window, people walking by on the street.
Logic: Will open window on Wednesdays and say: "I am "boguy" and having fun." boguy=laughing in May, 2013. Cars will drive by window, sunlight comes in window, people walk by on the street talking, air will circulate around it on Wednesdays when the window is open. Will raise my eyebrows every time someone comes in the room on Wednesdays. Will mark 4. every time I laugh on Wednesdays.

Edit: Also, I have about 5 Genius plans right now. And, I make the symbols for them in the same room before I take them out. And I have 2 symbols that stay in that room most of the time, except for when they are scheduled to leave.

PLUS, remember I found the piece of furniture that I knew was my symbol? It's not in a Genius plan but it's in the same room. So, my question is, am I messing everything up by having all those symbols in the same space even though it's my space? I'm thinking I could get rid of all the Genius plans except this soft landing one or else reduce to this soft landing one and one of the others. What do you think?

Thanks
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Aren't you using that Symbol for something else?

Regardless, the idea of creating these physical Genius models is so that we can more easily learn (Karate Kid-style) how to do it mentally. The same process would be at work, so I suppose you'd have the same questions.

You could have multiple symbols in the same space though I would not recommend it. Better to use other spaces for it. (The possibilities would decrease when it's more crowded.)

There's so much space from which to choose! It would be ironic, I suppose, if you had a hard time finding space for your "possibility" element =O
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Xwon,

Examples of things used for space include envelopes, drawers, bottles, cans, etc.

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Thanks, Noch :)
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I just wanted to share the one thing I remember from my dream that I had this morning.

The only thing I remember is asking one of my brothers something along the lines of "Do you want to watch the dreamworld?"

I feel as if I was referring to it as some sort of video game or TV show or something.

And then I woke up! Maybe we decided to interact with the "dreamworld" and it immediately brought me to my waking reality?

First time I can recall ever referring to something called the "dreamworld" in my dreams. Interesting nonetheless! ;)
 Quoting: Arellios 5188815


And here we are thinking that we are awake :)

If we know and understand 0.000000000000000000001% while 'awake' and 0.0000000000023 while 'dreaming', which one is the dream world!
 Quoting: Chaol


Indeed! It had me thinking that at the same time I was <going to the dreamworld> "over there" I was <waking up> here. Same thing?

This reality really is an other one's dreamworld ;)
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Yes, quite. And in each we think it is Reality.

They're both equally valid and equally real because (as I've mentioned before) they're different interpretations of the same thing.

As the two worlds merge more of us will have the "This is a dream, isn't it?" feeling. And more of us in the dream world will have the same sense, as you may have experienced.

As I stated a while ago, 2012 is the time when the actors will begin to be exposed. We're experiencing this literally and figuratively. The point is to understand that the stage is much, much bigger than you imagine.
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And in what reality do you think the following concepts make sense?

-chasing people
-squirt bottles
-hot sauce

Do you think that is what was actually happening in the dream, or how you interpreted it in your waking mind?
 Quoting: Chaol

I think the dream makes sense in both realities because it was about the feeling of freedom and having fun with friends. I think my waking mind used these concepts to explain it so it makes sense to me.
 Quoting: Unit3


I see.

So what part of the "chasing people", "squirt bottles", and "hot sauce" experience do you think was a dream world experience (and not an interpretation of it)?
 Quoting: Chaol

I think all three of those are the interpretation of the dreamworld experience.
 Quoting: Unit3

So imagine that you weren't dreaming of it... interpreting stimuli while awake.

Really, you never actually fall asleep. You are all ways aware.

What we call sleeping or dreaming is simply your interpretation of other values that are not so relative to where you're standing now (With "going to sleep" the act of making that transition.)

We interpret those foreign values all the time while not "sleeping". We may find ourselves daydreaming, with missing time, in a coma, being in situations that don't make sense to us, et c.

So, "gui7lus minor tresemble.II" in one perspective (dreaming) becomes "chasing people" in an other (thinking about your dream).

Both are interpretations of the same thing. But your waking mind does not remember "gui7lus minor tresemble.II" because it is not relative to it. Instead, it interprets the geometry of relationships in a way that does make sense and comes up with "chasing people".

And so (most importantly) we are chasing people in a dream and cashing checks while awake.

(While awake, we are also interpreting these relationships. We are not really looking at a monitor reading these words, since an absolute monitor cannot possibly exist. Our "reality" is comprised entirely of interpreting relationships.)

And so, the value of interaction (so that there could be relationships) and the meaninglessness of One-ness.
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Sure. The nature of perspective. That there is an endless variety of perspectives that only seem to be separate.

You imply that you'd like everyone to share in this experience. But it really would go against nature (I use these terms for ease of explanation).

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Not sure about any starting point or "upgrades", but I love hot sauce!
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Okay, let me try it from this angle.

I visited Prince George Island, BC where there is no hunting allowed. Therefore, the deer played tag all around us and the atmosphere was of a high energy for everyone. Would you say this was an unnatural environment? Were the deer and humans going against nature?

We are evolving into a different type physicality, why not also a different type psychology?

I love hot sauce too. Here's a great recipe to use it in:
Thread: Greens, black-eyed peas n' cornbread, easy skillet recipe for New Year's Day

However, for the game in my dream, I'd just as soon use water or whipped cream. So, why did you ask about my last dream? heh!
 Quoting: Unit3


I love angles!
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Since you love angles, heh, let's try this one.

I've talked with you about how a lot of things are done from the "spiritual" within this world. I've seen and done things myself, that seem "supernatural"....and so have some close friends of mine.

Some of these activities seem extraordinary. Such things as reading people's minds, precognition, affecting reality in various ways, bi-location, NDE and on and on. Some report they are born with these abilities and did them as a child.

Even though these abilities may have been achieved through "unnatural" ways, how do you explain these things?
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Imagine that in 5 years pre-cognition became an accepted fact and everyone was experiencing it. Journals and papers were written, and someone even won the Nobel prize. [Just fantasy.. humor me] News reports worked it into their stories, society in general worked it into its psyche.

Would it still be extraordinary? After many years it would just be human nature. Eventually it would be forgotten that there was a time that it was quite unusual, aye, unbelievable that humans lived without the ability.

The most amazing human feats abound, often without participants realizing the wonder that just occurred. That we are even able to speak and communicate with one-another is amazing in itself. We have senses of sight, sound, taste... And the ability to reason.

All of these things that we take for granted would be considered no less than "supernatural" to our distant ancestors. Even the act of running to the water fountain is magic.

They can be explained as you just did. Abilities.

What some call supernatural or spiritual I just call perspective. And all of the above cannot seem to be without it.

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Aye, as a relative part of you and yours is passed all ready.

One becomes two. One waking the other dreaming. (Or, alive and dead)

Because your "dreaming" self is very much like you (for a time, because you split) your waking self can have a new perspective because of this new relationship.

As above (waking/dreaming world) so below (Jesse's alive/dead world).
 Quoting: Chaol

hf
So, with all this in mind, am I looking at a "genius map" playing out? I see it as an almost "reckless and careless" use for it.
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I don't think so. Unless you made one for the 'resultant' perspective.

Some things are just chaos at play.
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Nope, I did not "consciously" produce one for this resultant perspective (I did, though, "hope" my wife would work with me instead of against me), but I could argue this whole experience has pushed me up a level in my goal to perceive an "expanded awareness". I am almost "suddenly" aware of "things"(symbols, logic and possibility) I hadn't noticed previously.

It's "all" gotten so interesting since about mid December (and most of it centers around my interaction with my perceived "symbol" of my wife). That's why I thought it might qualify as an "unintentional" use of the genius. Gotta love them (accurate or inaccurate) "aha!" moments, I'd argue they're one of my "carrots on a stick".

Cheers to Chaos (although my "ego" would like to see it differently). Thanks again Chaol.
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Sometimes the truth, if there ever was such a thing, is best left in the shadows.

But I'm happy to hear that it's worked out to your satisfaction.

(I can almost see Unit3 scream, "I knew it! There is a Truth".. heh)

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hf
So, with all this in mind, am I looking at a "genius map" playing out? I see it as an almost "reckless and careless" use for it.
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


I don't think so. Unless you made one for the 'resultant' perspective.

Some things are just chaos at play.
 Quoting: Chaol


Nope, I did not "consciously" produce one for this resultant perspective (I did, though, "hope" my wife would work with me instead of against me), but I could argue this whole experience has pushed me up a level in my goal to perceive an "expanded awareness". I am almost "suddenly" aware of "things"(symbols, logic and possibility) I hadn't noticed previously.

It's "all" gotten so interesting since about mid December (and most of it centers around my interaction with my perceived "symbol" of my wife). That's why I thought it might qualify as an "unintentional" use of the genius. Gotta love them (accurate or inaccurate) "aha!" moments, I'd argue they're one of my "carrots on a stick".

Cheers to Chaos (although my "ego" would like to see it differently). Thanks again Chaol.
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Sometimes the truth, if there ever was such a thing, is best left in the shadows.

But I'm happy to hear that it's worked out to your satisfaction.

(I can almost see Unit3 scream, "I knew it! There is a Truth".. heh)
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1rof1


I'll answer your other posts later. I'm thinking about them right now. (And no, it doesn't hurt, heh! Just rewinding a few brain patterns!)

hf
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Your possibility element could be your hat, your shoes, a room, a wall, a field (if used).. anything used for its space.

It does not really matter what it is, though you may have different kinds of success with different kinds of spaces.

Each element has a secret life as every other kind of element. A symbol element is also an interaction, possibility, and logic element. (There's only 1 element, fundamentally interpreted 4 different ways in our perspective.)

So, the Possibility element that you use (whatever space you choose) represents (is a symbol for the) possibility and adopts its function. (That's why it doesn't matter so much what kind of space you choose.)

Hope this helps =D
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Ok, so I will keep all the other elements the same, but the possibility element will now be my wallet, which I will keep in my left front pocket where I usually keep my money clip. My reasoning for this choice is twofold: 1. The symbol represents my security/clearance I.D. for my new job and 2. I will keep it in a space usually reserved for my cash money...thus doing/representing some thing in a different way in my attempt to perceive an other situation where I'll be getting a new job that leads to much more [money].

Yes, Chaol, your illustratin helped a lot. Thanks! And it certainly fits my bill that I would have trouble finding space for possibility...I'm a huge sucker for irony.

Also, thanks to Unit3 and Not-Chaol for your words and advice.

So, Chaol, any thing else before I put this Model to work??
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FYI: I read this morning's posts here and felt a wave come over me.

So, I went outside to take a walk and looked up. The clouds looked like ocean waves. wtf I found a photo that looks like what I saw.

[link to flic.kr]

I'll be back later.

hf
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FYI: I read this morning's posts here and felt a wave come over me.

So, I went outside to take a walk and looked up. The clouds looked like ocean waves. wtf I found a photo that looks like what I saw.

[link to flic.kr]

I'll be back later.

hf
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We had those on dec 21st...

I am sort of time travelling right now, stitching a reproduction of a 'merklap' my grandmother made in 1917; and I got a message from my dad that he has a photo of my great-grandmother for me. There are almost no pictures of her; it's the 3rd I know of...
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These posts have all been about you 'doing it yourself' to see what you are capable of doing.

It is all you.

Nice work.
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I think I -really- see it now, strange being sat inside and knowing.

I cant explain getting to a point and appreciating a 'distraction'.

I will find a particular quote of yours when I have time about forgetting, it rings true but I cant quite recall.

I see the purpose.

Brilliant experience to learn indeed, which reminds me, I should reply in the other thread too. ;)

Imagine that in 5 years pre-cognition became an accepted fact and everyone was experiencing it. Journals and papers were written, and someone even won the Nobel prize. [Just fantasy.. humor me] News reports worked it into their stories, society in general worked it into its psyche.

Would it still be extraordinary? After many years it would just be human nature. Eventually it would be forgotten that there was a time that it was quite unusual, aye, unbelievable that humans lived without the ability.

The most amazing human feats abound, often without participants realizing the wonder that just occurred. That we are even able to speak and communicate with one-another is amazing in itself. We have senses of sight, sound, taste... And the ability to reason.

All of these things that we take for granted would be considered no less than "supernatural" to our distant ancestors. Even the act of running to the water fountain is magic.

They can be explained as you just did. Abilities.

What some call supernatural or spiritual I just call perspective. And all of the above cannot seem to be without it.
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Funny how you mentioned pre-cognition. Pringles.

Your past recent few pages of material seem to co-inside with the past few days of my life, very interesting, as always thanks for sharing.







Another Mental Genius Example what worked instantly..well sort of.

So! My head phones were getting pretty old, one of the ears was beginning to only work when the wire was a certain way and it wouldn't work all the time, normally I would of carried on using them for as long as possible, but I thought #@&! it, I will use the Genius to get some new ones. (show trust and faith is my point here)

So I mentally drew a symbol, it really was a random squiggle to "perceive bringing some new headphones to my perspective" and I tell no lies, instantly my phone delivered an email from a sports company I had purchased things from previously saying "massive savings up to 70% off head phones offer ends today"

3 days later they were on my ears.

What else needs saying :) very happy with the product too!

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I just wanted to share the one thing I remember from my dream that I had this morning.

The only thing I remember is asking one of my brothers something along the lines of "Do you want to watch the dreamworld?"

I feel as if I was referring to it as some sort of video game or TV show or something.

And then I woke up! Maybe we decided to interact with the "dreamworld" and it immediately brought me to my waking reality?

First time I can recall ever referring to something called the "dreamworld" in my dreams. Interesting nonetheless! ;)
 Quoting: Arellios 5188815


And here we are thinking that we are awake :)

If we know and understand 0.000000000000000000001% while 'awake' and 0.0000000000023 while 'dreaming', which one is the dream world!
 Quoting: Chaol


Indeed! It had me thinking that at the same time I was <going to the dreamworld> "over there" I was <waking up> here. Same thing?

This reality really is an other one's dreamworld ;)
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Who is the other? heh!
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Okay, I see it's all in my perspective and is probably impossible for all to share my experience. But, why is it I see myself influencing the world at times? (Others do too, I'm not the only one.)
 Quoting: Unit3

Surely the world is not outside of your perspective?

Is it just my interpretation and something else is actually happening?
 Quoting: Unit3

What besides your interpretation could there possibly be?

Why do you call yourself destroyer of worlds?
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I call myself a destroyer because no one else is willing to take up the title. We often pretend that only creation is of benefit and ignore the possibilities that destruction unveils. I mean "destruction" in the classical sense rather than the Hollywood sense. Tearing down one perspective to unveil an other. Really, there is neither creation nor destruction but rather an unveiling. But "unveiler" is more strange than my persona allows. The unseen hand of chaos slowly pulls back the curtain.

Aren't you seeing yourself as influencing the world?
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Any aspect of a reality (value of perspective, as I call it) has an effect on all others. So, yes, I am aware of the influence.

Edit: Btw, in the post before this, you ask:

"If we know and understand 0.000000000000000000001% while 'awake' and 0.0000000000023 while 'dreaming', which one is the dream world!"

Are you saying we understand more while dreaming than while awake? (No wonder I like my dreaming world so much more, LOL!) What is the difference in our "awake" mind and dreaming mind?

Thanks
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There are more interactions in the dreaming perspective, so the potential for understanding is much more significant. (More realized interactions per value, you could say. Or more interactions per second, to be less accurate.)

That's the only difference.
 Quoting: Chaol




There is nothing outside of my perspective but I like hearing how you explain things because I have been seeing a different way of looking at things in my perspective.

So, more interaction=potentially more understanding? Verrrrry interesting and highly motivating. Thank you. hf

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