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Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

 
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Just found this..

"The Blue Brain project began in 2005 with an agreement between the EPFL and IBM, which supplied the BlueGene/L supercomputer acquired by EPFL to build the virtual brain.

The computing power needed is considerable. Each simulated neuron requires the equivalent of a laptop computer. A model of the whole brain would have billions. Supercomputing technology is rapidly approaching a level where simulating the whole brain becomes a concrete possibility.

As a first step, the project succeeded in simulating a rat cortical column. This neuronal network, the size of a pinhead, recurs repeatedly in the cortex. A rat’s brain has about 100,000 columns of in the order of 10,000 neurons each. In humans, the numbers are dizzying—a human cortex may have as many as two million columns, each having in the order of 100,000 neurons each."

[link to bluebrain.epfl.ch]
 Quoting: Unit3

It is all ways amusing to see us representing something like this, not knowing that what we are representing is also a representation.

Though we often miss the point it is also what drives us forward. And the results are often quite interesting.

Each neuron a member of a geometry with physical meaning betwixt them.
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/snippies/
Anyway, now, I'd like to ask you this. Since you don't work with the spiritual, how did you determine that Tuuuuuuur had a moon colored symbol for his Peugeot Genius? ;o)
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Because I looked at it.
 Quoting: Chaol


My brain hurts! ;-)

(do I know you? Because not so many people know of this particular car that has been sitting in boxes and not-so-often visited rooms for the longest time)

(but then again you said you provided the memory too.. :-) )
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Another Mental Genius Example what worked instantly..well sort of.

So! My head phones were getting pretty old, one of the ears was beginning to only work when the wire was a certain way and it wouldn't work all the time, normally I would of carried on using them for as long as possible, but I thought #@&! it, I will use the Genius to get some new ones. (show trust and faith is my point here)

So I mentally drew a symbol, it really was a random squiggle to "perceive bringing some new headphones to my perspective" and I tell no lies, instantly my phone delivered an email from a sports company I had purchased things from previously saying "massive savings up to 70% off head phones offer ends today"

3 days later they were on my ears.

What else needs saying :) very happy with the product too!
 Quoting: LeKing


You only did a mental symbol....and no Genius plan?
 Quoting: Unit3


Correct.

Chaol described how/why it worked

For a somewhat more advanced use of the Genius let the Genius (your subconscious) take over. This one is a bit more difficult to figure out but I suppose you can say it's about trusting your subconscious. You have only to represent what you want in any way you can imagine. The Genius finds a way to make it work.


My laptop charger cable is acting weird too, I will use the Genius to bring a new macbook pro closer to my perspective. I will keep everyone updated!

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/snippies/
Anyway, now, I'd like to ask you this. Since you don't work with the spiritual, how did you determine that Tuuuuuuur had a moon colored symbol for his Peugeot Genius? ;o)
 Quoting: Unit3

Because I looked at it.
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My brain hurts! ;-)

(do I know you? Because not so many people know of this particular car that has been sitting in boxes and not-so-often visited rooms for the longest time)

(but then again you said you provided the memory too.. :-) )
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Well sometimes there is "interference" from alien forces lol

But I can only assume that such is okay from participation in this thread.

All working with your own Genius, of course.

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XWon, imo, you showed us a wonderful way to use a symbol. Remember when you took one to the classroom and people picked it up and talked about it? That was amazing and opened my eyes. You do have an inkling. But I'm with you as far as there is still so much to learn.

I would love to rock a model. And I'm thinking I need to do one for a "soft landing."

Chaol, would you check this one for me? It's for a soft landing as things change and I'd like it to rock too. (I'm having difficulty with the desire part but I think the rest might be ok.)

Desire: Laughter during May, 2013
Symbol: Paperclip with orange mark and carpet fuzz taped to it.
Space: Bedroom window sill (or would outside the sill be better?)
Interaction: Sunlight, people coming into the room, cars driving by window, people walking by on the street.
Logic: Will open window on Wednesdays and say: "I am "boguy" and having fun." boguy=laughing in May, 2013. Cars will drive by window, sunlight comes in window, people walk by on the street talking, air will circulate around it on Wednesdays when the window is open. Will raise my eyebrows every time someone comes in the room on Wednesdays. Will mark 4. every time I laugh on Wednesdays.

Edit: Also, I have about 5 Genius plans right now. And, I make the symbols for them in the same room before I take them out. And I have 2 symbols that stay in that room most of the time, except for when they are scheduled to leave.

PLUS, remember I found the piece of furniture that I knew was my symbol? It's not in a Genius plan but it's in the same room. So, my question is, am I messing everything up by having all those symbols in the same space even though it's my space? I'm thinking I could get rid of all the Genius plans except this soft landing one or else reduce to this soft landing one and one of the others. What do you think?

Thanks
 Quoting: Unit3

Aren't you using that Symbol for something else?

Regardless, the idea of creating these physical Genius models is so that we can more easily learn (Karate Kid-style) how to do it mentally. The same process would be at work, so I suppose you'd have the same questions.

You could have multiple symbols in the same space though I would not recommend it. Better to use other spaces for it. (The possibilities would decrease when it's more crowded.)

There's so much space from which to choose! It would be ironic, I suppose, if you had a hard time finding space for your "possibility" element =O
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I don't know why I try to slip something by you. So far, you catch me every dang time! I was lazy and just using this symbol as an example. I was planning on changing the symbol if I use this Genius!

Actually, I'm thinking of using only this Genius because it's the only one that does not have resistance in it (to me, anyway). And I am thinking about ditching the others even though I'm about 1/2 way through with them.

Iow, they could be getting close to making something happen and that's probably important for me to see too. At the same time, I don't think it's wise for me to use so many Genius plans at one time either because I'm not even in grade school with all this yet. (Hopefully I'm at least in pre-school, heh!)

Yes, there is a lot of space to use once the symbols are outside the house. But for me, I only have one complete room to myself and the rest is shared space. The piece of furniture symbol has to stay in this one room along with the most expensive piece of artwork I have, which is another space I use for a symbol. Also, I make my symbols in this room, usually a day before I'm going to distribute them.

If I cut down on my Genius plans, heh, then I could eliminate some of the symbols. And, I'm thinking the symbol for the soft landing could be on my outside window sill instead of inside.

So the desire part is ok in this soft-landing Genius? (I had a hard time figuring that one out.)

Thanks Chaol! hf
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If you knew how many working models you have going on right now, you'd be shocked.

A shared space could make for a wonderful Possibility element.

Your desire is quite specific (for the date), but I suppose it could work. (Keep in mind your Genius all ready knows of your desire.) The more open the desire the more possibilities could flow in.
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I can just image how many working models I have going on right now....trillions!

OK, I'll use the shared space but space in the home is a little confusing to me. I have it in mind that the space needs to relate to the desired outcome. In this instance, I'm talking about a soft landing....so would any of my shared space fit in this instance or does the space need some kind of tie into a soft landing in the dream world? For example, putting the symbol by a book on dreaming.

And if I use shared space, then the symbol most likely will get thrown out right away unless I kind of hide it. My concerns about leaving it out is if I keep putting the same symbol out on a weekly basis, it might be a little strange. Unless I can think of something like a used napkin with pencil marks, but then that puts value on the napkin doesn't it?

Yes, I had a hard time with the desire. Can I just make the desire: "a soft landing?"

Thanks
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/snippies/
Anyway, now, I'd like to ask you this. Since you don't work with the spiritual, how did you determine that Tuuuuuuur had a moon colored symbol for his Peugeot Genius? ;o)
 Quoting: Unit3

Because I looked at it.
 Quoting: Chaol




But how? You don't do these things through the spiritual so I can only guess. Tuuuuur didn't even remember he had it!

(After I find out, I might tell you how I think you did it, heh!)
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And Ec helps us to interpret relationships we might otherwise not be aware of?

I know you've made the statement that the subconscious is coming out of the closet, so is this what we are talking about here? The experience of the dream world? And isn't the dreamworld a matrix also?

Thanks
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The interpretation depends on you, but I suppose you could say that Ec opens our minds to different interpretations the same way English (or an other similar language) does.

Meaning, for example, "this chair could also be (and is)..." when we are able to easily change its values.

In English, this is like adding an "s" or prefixes and suffixes, and relating words together (e.g., "chair-man").

So in Ec I would have the exact chair that Descartes sat on and then take away a few Possibility elements, and end up with something new that is still in the same family of the geometry of relationships.

A bit more advanced, and it is likely that we'll cover that later somehow.
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OK, looking forward to when we do cover these things. It's very interesting. Thanks Chaol!
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These past few posts are wonderful Chaol. Thank you. This last one is so touching! hf

The main stumbling block I"m having is seeing myself as the satisfied puff of smoke who can experience and juggle perspective.
 Quoting: Unit3


Just see how you are doing it all ready and perhaps it will be easier to see how you are doing it in other ways.

I was a little surprised when we talked about the supernatural that you didn't say it is perspective from a special geometry of relationships. But other than this and maybe a couple of other things, I can see I am the author of reality.

I am wondering if you have models in your world for: health, dying, procreation, education, careers, space travel, psychic powers and mental health? (I know these may not be the terms used, but I think you get the idea.)
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It all leads to perspective but I try to provide a less-accurate explanation that may interest the reader more.

Otherwise, "Perspective!" would be the reponse to every post lol

I am wondering if you have models in your world for: health, dying, procreation, education, careers, space travel, psychic powers and mental health? (I know these may not be the terms used, but I think you get the idea.)
 Quoting: Unit3


Yes, I get the idea.

But can I give you a "no comment" response? Or maybe I will say "Perspective!" lol

I can't properly respond to the question without taking away the opportunity to discover it ourselves (and, thus, to interact).
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OK, that's the whole point of doing the Genius...to see how I do it already.

You do a great job keeping our interest, heh!

And yes, you can give a no comment. I'll just say this, I wasn't asking how the models work but just if you have them and how they are taught...school, a big book of models (heh)or maybe parents just teach their children.

Btw, if perspective is everything...then why don't you change your perspective of your world? (Since you told us you like ours better? I just don't get it!)

Could you also tell me this....since trillions of interactions are taking place, do those in your world consciously pick ones to be automatic and others to be consciously authored?

Thanks

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/snips/

Just found an interesting thing that you said Chaol:

"Incidentally, I have a device which can not only detect these nexus points but also change their values."

Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe": September 29 - October 28. (Do you know what happened at Farpoint Station?) (Page 42)

I'll keep reading to see if you talk about this device later in the thread but I'd like to hear more about it.

And how does this device work with what you said here regarding my question in how you determine nexus points?

"My brain does the calculation, you could say. It's done in a logical way with neuronics."

Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe": Meeting in the new Dream reality (Page 49)

Thanks
 Quoting: Unit3


The response is just a few posts down from it.

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The "device" is comprised entirely of neuronicons.
 Quoting: Chaol

Is it a particular set produced by an Ec string?
 Quoting: Unit3


Yes. A method by which, when used, a particular set of events can result.

It is like a computer that is made entirely of software.
 Quoting: Chaol



Cool!

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Just found this..

"The Blue Brain project began in 2005 with an agreement between the EPFL and IBM, which supplied the BlueGene/L supercomputer acquired by EPFL to build the virtual brain.

The computing power needed is considerable. Each simulated neuron requires the equivalent of a laptop computer. A model of the whole brain would have billions. Supercomputing technology is rapidly approaching a level where simulating the whole brain becomes a concrete possibility.

As a first step, the project succeeded in simulating a rat cortical column. This neuronal network, the size of a pinhead, recurs repeatedly in the cortex. A rat’s brain has about 100,000 columns of in the order of 10,000 neurons each. In humans, the numbers are dizzying—a human cortex may have as many as two million columns, each having in the order of 100,000 neurons each."

[link to bluebrain.epfl.ch]
 Quoting: Unit3

It is all ways amusing to see us representing something like this, not knowing that what we are representing is also a representation.

Though we often miss the point it is also what drives us forward. And the results are often quite interesting.

Each neuron a member of a geometry with physical meaning betwixt them.
 Quoting: Chaol




What is physical meaning? (I still don't quite understand physicality....unless it's all just perception and I've applied the "rules", heh!)
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Another Mental Genius Example what worked instantly..well sort of.

So! My head phones were getting pretty old, one of the ears was beginning to only work when the wire was a certain way and it wouldn't work all the time, normally I would of carried on using them for as long as possible, but I thought #@&! it, I will use the Genius to get some new ones. (show trust and faith is my point here)

So I mentally drew a symbol, it really was a random squiggle to "perceive bringing some new headphones to my perspective" and I tell no lies, instantly my phone delivered an email from a sports company I had purchased things from previously saying "massive savings up to 70% off head phones offer ends today"

3 days later they were on my ears.

What else needs saying :) very happy with the product too!
 Quoting: LeKing


You only did a mental symbol....and no Genius plan?
 Quoting: Unit3


Correct.

Chaol described how/why it worked

For a somewhat more advanced use of the Genius let the Genius (your subconscious) take over. This one is a bit more difficult to figure out but I suppose you can say it's about trusting your subconscious. You have only to represent what you want in any way you can imagine. The Genius finds a way to make it work.


My laptop charger cable is acting weird too, I will use the Genius to bring a new macbook pro closer to my perspective. I will keep everyone updated!
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Kewl! That explanation makes all this a lot easier. I'm actually getting kinda bored with using a Genius. And today, I forgot to take one of my symbols with me when I went out, so now I have to figure out what to do...if anything.

Yes, please do keep us updated and thanks for sharing. You seem to have a knack for this! rockon
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/snippies/
Anyway, now, I'd like to ask you this. Since you don't work with the spiritual, how did you determine that Tuuuuuuur had a moon colored symbol for his Peugeot Genius? ;o)
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Because I looked at it.
 Quoting: Chaol


My brain hurts! ;-)

(do I know you? Because not so many people know of this particular car that has been sitting in boxes and not-so-often visited rooms for the longest time)

(but then again you said you provided the memory too.. :-) )
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Yes, and I figured he provided the car too!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Really, you never actually fall asleep. You are all ways aware.

What we call sleeping or dreaming is simply your interpretation of other values that are not so relative to where you're standing now (With "going to sleep" the act of making that transition.)

We interpret those foreign values all the time while not "sleeping". We may find ourselves daydreaming, with missing time, in a coma, being in situations that don't make sense to us, et c.

So, "gui7lus minor tresemble.II" in one perspective (dreaming) becomes "chasing people" in an other (thinking about your dream).

Both are interpretations of the same thing. But your waking mind does not remember "gui7lus minor tresemble.II" because it is not relative to it. Instead, it interprets the geometry of relationships in a way that does make sense and comes up with "chasing people".

And so (most importantly) we are chasing people in a dream and cashing checks while awake.

(While awake, we are also interpreting these relationships. We are not really looking at a monitor reading these words, since an absolute monitor cannot possibly exist. Our "reality" is comprised entirely of interpreting relationships.)

And so, the value of interaction (so that there could be relationships) and the meaninglessness of One-ness.
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I found this fascinating, Chaol and only glimpse the tip of the iceberg of what it might mean.

My questions are -

1. Why is 'sleeping' so important to us? Sleep deprivation is used as torture, even. Why do we need this interpretation of (some) foreign values? We could just ignore the lot of them, as we apparently ignore so many.

2. So when we appear to remember a dream, does the story have any connection to what we were experiencing in the dream world? Like with Unit's example above, was that her interpretation of a dreamworld experience where she was having fun, not necessarily with hot sauce? Or could she have been having a completely different thing going on?

3. Do I understand rightly ~

we don't sleep;
we don't shut down in order to rest;
We are fully aware and our dream stories are us translating experiences from the dreamworld so that they make sense in the waking world?

Hope this is clear

Also, could you explain what you mean by 'most importantly) we are chasing people in a dream and cashing checks while awake'

Thanks, Chaol
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Another Mental Genius Example what worked instantly..well sort of.

So! My head phones were getting pretty old, one of the ears was beginning to only work when the wire was a certain way and it wouldn't work all the time, normally I would of carried on using them for as long as possible, but I thought #@&! it, I will use the Genius to get some new ones. (show trust and faith is my point here)

So I mentally drew a symbol, it really was a random squiggle to "perceive bringing some new headphones to my perspective" and I tell no lies, instantly my phone delivered an email from a sports company I had purchased things from previously saying "massive savings up to 70% off head phones offer ends today"

3 days later they were on my ears.

What else needs saying :) very happy with the product too!
 Quoting: LeKing


You only did a mental symbol....and no Genius plan?
 Quoting: Unit3


Correct.

Chaol described how/why it worked

For a somewhat more advanced use of the Genius let the Genius (your subconscious) take over. This one is a bit more difficult to figure out but I suppose you can say it's about trusting your subconscious. You have only to represent what you want in any way you can imagine. The Genius finds a way to make it work.


My laptop charger cable is acting weird too, I will use the Genius to bring a new macbook pro closer to my perspective. I will keep everyone updated!
 Quoting: LeKing




Kewl! That explanation makes all this a lot easier. I'm actually getting kinda bored with using a Genius. And today, I forgot to take one of my symbols with me when I went out, so now I have to figure out what to do...if anything.

Yes, please do keep us updated and thanks for sharing. You seem to have a knack for this! rockon
 Quoting: Unit3


On a related note...
Last week I got a MacBook Pro (not new, second hand) within 2 days after expressing my desire to get one. Didn't make a Genius; but I guess I had some mental genius going on. Conscious planning had very little to do with it...
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You only did a mental symbol....and no Genius plan?
 Quoting: Unit3


Correct.

Chaol described how/why it worked

For a somewhat more advanced use of the Genius let the Genius (your subconscious) take over. This one is a bit more difficult to figure out but I suppose you can say it's about trusting your subconscious. You have only to represent what you want in any way you can imagine. The Genius finds a way to make it work.


My laptop charger cable is acting weird too, I will use the Genius to bring a new macbook pro closer to my perspective. I will keep everyone updated!
 Quoting: LeKing




Kewl! That explanation makes all this a lot easier. I'm actually getting kinda bored with using a Genius. And today, I forgot to take one of my symbols with me when I went out, so now I have to figure out what to do...if anything.

Yes, please do keep us updated and thanks for sharing. You seem to have a knack for this! rockon
 Quoting: Unit3


On a related note...
Last week I got a MacBook Pro (not new, second hand) within 2 days after expressing my desire to get one. Didn't make a Genius; but I guess I had some mental genius going on. Conscious planning had very little to do with it...
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You're good at this...now if you just knew how, eh?
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Could this be part of the new physicality?

[link to www.youtube.com]
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Could this be part of the new physicality?

[link to www.youtube.com]
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Good grief! Unbelievable!

Edit: They will be interviewed live, Monday, 1/7/13 at 9AM, Pacific here:
[link to projectcamelotportal.com]

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Could this be part of the new physicality?

[link to www.youtube.com]
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Good grief! Unbelievable!

Edit: They will be interviewed live, Monday, 1/7/13 at 9AM, Pacific here:
[link to projectcamelotportal.com]
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What they claim to be reminds me Of Chaol's description Of aliens.
Consider the possibility that you order yourself into being from chaos... You do this, always, in all ways. This "ordering" has resulted in the possibilities you're experiencing, here, now. In each experience you've ever had, more and more of "this" reality is generated logically from your previous experience. Your observation of this unfolding of order and chaos is reality.
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Project Camelot does not have that good a name.
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Could this be part of the new physicality?

[link to www.youtube.com]
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Good grief! Unbelievable!

Edit: They will be interviewed live, Monday, 1/7/13 at 9AM, Pacific here:
[link to projectcamelotportal.com]
 Quoting: Unit3


What they claim to be reminds me Of Chaol's description Of aliens.
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What is his description?

I think they probably are but interestingly, they said they don't know. Neither of them knew their parents and have been harassed since childhood.

Here's a photo of them and the guy who uploaded the YouTube interview:

[link to sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net (secure)]

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Chaol,

Would it be accurate to conclude that staged events (plays) like the recent one in Newtown are designed to usher in a new brand of logic? For those that believe that something actually happened it would be repeal of the second amendment and vilification of gun owners and for the rest that can see through it, it would be the obvious fabrication of all these types of events (or rather non-events).

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I can just image how many working models I have going on right now....trillions!

OK, I'll use the shared space but space in the home is a little confusing to me. I have it in mind that the space needs to relate to the desired outcome. In this instance, I'm talking about a soft landing....so would any of my shared space fit in this instance or does the space need some kind of tie into a soft landing in the dream world? For example, putting the symbol by a book on dreaming.

And if I use shared space, then the symbol most likely will get thrown out right away unless I kind of hide it. My concerns about leaving it out is if I keep putting the same symbol out on a weekly basis, it might be a little strange. Unless I can think of something like a used napkin with pencil marks, but then that puts value on the napkin doesn't it?

Yes, I had a hard time with the desire. Can I just make the desire: "a soft landing?"

Thanks
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Well, I would suggest that you just use a space that is relevant to your total reality (rather than what you think is related to the desired outcome).

Really, we don't know what spaces are related. It's quite difficult for us to figure out.

By "soft landing" you mean "a gentle transition" to what?
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I can just image how many working models I have going on right now....trillions!

OK, I'll use the shared space but space in the home is a little confusing to me. I have it in mind that the space needs to relate to the desired outcome. In this instance, I'm talking about a soft landing....so would any of my shared space fit in this instance or does the space need some kind of tie into a soft landing in the dream world? For example, putting the symbol by a book on dreaming.

And if I use shared space, then the symbol most likely will get thrown out right away unless I kind of hide it. My concerns about leaving it out is if I keep putting the same symbol out on a weekly basis, it might be a little strange. Unless I can think of something like a used napkin with pencil marks, but then that puts value on the napkin doesn't it?

Yes, I had a hard time with the desire. Can I just make the desire: "a soft landing?"

Thanks
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Well, I would suggest that you just use a space that is relevant to your total reality (rather than what you think is related to the desired outcome).

Really, we don't know what spaces are related. It's quite difficult for us to figure out.

By "soft landing" you mean "a gentle transition" to what?
 Quoting: Chaol




So wouldn't a space that is relevant to my total reality be the room where I spend most of my time? And not a shared space? (I guess the kitchen could also count because there is a lot of value there.)

Yes, the space is difficult. I think that's the hardest part for me.....besides remembering what I'm to do with symbols each time...I have notes but I still miss what I wrote, LMAO! It's like going to the grocery with your list and still not getting everything, ha!

A gentle transition to the Dream World, which to me, includes becoming aware (or awake) as you are.

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/snippies/
Anyway, now, I'd like to ask you this. Since you don't work with the spiritual, how did you determine that Tuuuuuuur had a moon colored symbol for his Peugeot Genius? ;o)
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Because I looked at it.
 Quoting: Chaol

But how? You don't do these things through the spiritual so I can only guess. Tuuuuur didn't even remember he had it!

(After I find out, I might tell you how I think you did it, heh!)
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How are you looking at your desk area?

Is it spiritual?

Can someone look at your desk and see something that you don't?

Same thing :)
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And Ec helps us to interpret relationships we might otherwise not be aware of?

I know you've made the statement that the subconscious is coming out of the closet, so is this what we are talking about here? The experience of the dream world? And isn't the dreamworld a matrix also?

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The interpretation depends on you, but I suppose you could say that Ec opens our minds to different interpretations the same way English (or an other similar language) does.

Meaning, for example, "this chair could also be (and is)..." when we are able to easily change its values.

In English, this is like adding an "s" or prefixes and suffixes, and relating words together (e.g., "chair-man").

So in Ec I would have the exact chair that Descartes sat on and then take away a few Possibility elements, and end up with something new that is still in the same family of the geometry of relationships.

A bit more advanced, and it is likely that we'll cover that later somehow.
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OK, looking forward to when we do cover these things. It's very interesting. Thanks Chaol!
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Certoinly!
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/snippies/
Anyway, now, I'd like to ask you this. Since you don't work with the spiritual, how did you determine that Tuuuuuuur had a moon colored symbol for his Peugeot Genius? ;o)
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Because I looked at it.
 Quoting: Chaol

But how? You don't do these things through the spiritual so I can only guess. Tuuuuur didn't even remember he had it!

(After I find out, I might tell you how I think you did it, heh!)
 Quoting: Unit3


How are you looking at your desk area?

Is it spiritual?

Can someone look at your desk and see something that you don't?

Same thing :)
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You weren't in Tuuuuur's house. That's what I'm talking about. I am sitting at my desk but to see it from some other locality takes a different sense.
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OK, that's the whole point of doing the Genius...to see how I do it already.

You do a great job keeping our interest, heh!

And yes, you can give a no comment. I'll just say this, I wasn't asking how the models work but just if you have them and how they are taught...school, a big book of models (heh)or maybe parents just teach their children.
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I understand. But same response =D

Btw, if perspective is everything...then why don't you change your perspective of your world? (Since you told us you like ours better? I just don't get it!)
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I do.

And here I am.

Yes, I like this one better (as someone would sweets). But it doesn't mean I don't like the other one (for "health").

I would not say I am slumming it. I really enjoy a number of things. But it's also nice to be home.
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What is physical meaning? (I still don't quite understand physicality....unless it's all just perception and I've applied the "rules", heh!)
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Physical meaning = physical values ("physical" as in our brand of physicality)

Everything is physical, as our perspective is physically-oriented.

"Physicality" is born of perspective, of course. Which means that the physical is more than just bricks and rocks and things you can feel. It is everything.
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snips/ I'm actually getting kinda bored with using a Genius. /snips/
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And now perhaps you are beginning to understand why 'forgetting' is much more exciting and immersive.

And here we are.
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I found this fascinating, Chaol and only glimpse the tip of the iceberg of what it might mean.

My questions are -

1. Why is 'sleeping' so important to us? Sleep deprivation is used as torture, even. Why do we need this interpretation of (some) foreign values? We could just ignore the lot of them, as we apparently ignore so many.
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Are we not ignoring it all day long?

Sleeping is important the way changing perspective is important. You can't not change perspective and you can't not sleep.

There are persons who "don't sleep" who are aware of changing perspectives.

Because the dream perspective jumps a few steps of relativity to your waking perspective (quite rapidly, it could be inaccurately said) we seem to transition into an other state of mind.

The foreign values make up our perspective. Some are much more foreign than others (much less relative) but still a part of it.

2. So when we appear to remember a dream, does the story have any connection to what we were experiencing in the dream world? Like with Unit's example above, was that her interpretation of a dreamworld experience where she was having fun, not necessarily with hot sauce? Or could she have been having a completely different thing going on?
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It is exactly what is happening, just translated in a way that is relative to your waking mind.

The 'two' events are occurring at the same time. However, we interpret them differently from different perspectives. One perspective has less interactivity than the other (this one) and seems to occur at a different time.

What we remember is not what is happening in the dream world but our interpretation of it.

However, what we experience in our waking world is also an interpretation of something else.

There are as many interpretations as there are perspectives.

A dream world "event" on May 28th (as you see it) could be interpreted as the events that you experience on July 5th (or much later, or sooner).

3. Do I understand rightly ~

we don't sleep;
we don't shut down in order to rest;
We are fully aware and our dream stories are us translating experiences from the dreamworld so that they make sense in the waking world?

Hope this is clear

Also, could you explain what you mean by 'most importantly) we are chasing people in a dream and cashing checks while awake'

Thanks, Chaol
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If sleeping means transitioning to an other perspective (that is more of a jump than the smooth transitions we experience at every moment) then yes, we sleep. But there is no loss of awareness.

It is not so much that we need rest but moreso that a change of perspective is needed.

And yes to, "We are fully aware and our dream stories are us translating experiences from the dreamworld so that they make sense in the waking world"

The question then is, "Does my perspective as it is being experienced RIGHT NOW remember what happened in my other perspective when I was dreaming?"

You remember, but "you" is more than one specific perspective. It is no-perspective-in-particular. A continuous transition of total perspectives, if you will.

By the statement, "...most importantly) we are chasing people in a dream and cashing checks while awake" I mean that chasing people = cashing checks (for example).

Two 'different' interpretations of the same thing. Our dream world is also an interpretation of something else.

Hope this helps :)


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