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Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

 
Unit3

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/snippies/
Anyway, now, I'd like to ask you this. Since you don't work with the spiritual, how did you determine that Tuuuuuuur had a moon colored symbol for his Peugeot Genius? ;o)
 Quoting: Unit3

Because I looked at it.
 Quoting: Chaol

But how? You don't do these things through the spiritual so I can only guess. Tuuuuur didn't even remember he had it!

(After I find out, I might tell you how I think you did it, heh!)
 Quoting: Unit3


How are you looking at your desk area?

Is it spiritual?

Can someone look at your desk and see something that you don't?

Same thing :)
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You weren't in Tuuuuur's house. That's what I'm talking about. I am sitting at my desk but to see it from some other locality takes a different sense.
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OK, that's the whole point of doing the Genius...to see how I do it already.

You do a great job keeping our interest, heh!

And yes, you can give a no comment. I'll just say this, I wasn't asking how the models work but just if you have them and how they are taught...school, a big book of models (heh)or maybe parents just teach their children.
 Quoting: Unit3


I understand. But same response =D

Btw, if perspective is everything...then why don't you change your perspective of your world? (Since you told us you like ours better? I just don't get it!)
 Quoting: Unit3


I do.

And here I am.

Yes, I like this one better (as someone would sweets). But it doesn't mean I don't like the other one (for "health").

I would not say I am slumming it. I really enjoy a number of things. But it's also nice to be home.
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What is physical meaning? (I still don't quite understand physicality....unless it's all just perception and I've applied the "rules", heh!)
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Physical meaning = physical values ("physical" as in our brand of physicality)

Everything is physical, as our perspective is physically-oriented.

"Physicality" is born of perspective, of course. Which means that the physical is more than just bricks and rocks and things you can feel. It is everything.
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snips/ I'm actually getting kinda bored with using a Genius. /snips/
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And now perhaps you are beginning to understand why 'forgetting' is much more exciting and immersive.

And here we are.
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I found this fascinating, Chaol and only glimpse the tip of the iceberg of what it might mean.

My questions are -

1. Why is 'sleeping' so important to us? Sleep deprivation is used as torture, even. Why do we need this interpretation of (some) foreign values? We could just ignore the lot of them, as we apparently ignore so many.
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Are we not ignoring it all day long?

Sleeping is important the way changing perspective is important. You can't not change perspective and you can't not sleep.

There are persons who "don't sleep" who are aware of changing perspectives.

Because the dream perspective jumps a few steps of relativity to your waking perspective (quite rapidly, it could be inaccurately said) we seem to transition into an other state of mind.

The foreign values make up our perspective. Some are much more foreign than others (much less relative) but still a part of it.

2. So when we appear to remember a dream, does the story have any connection to what we were experiencing in the dream world? Like with Unit's example above, was that her interpretation of a dreamworld experience where she was having fun, not necessarily with hot sauce? Or could she have been having a completely different thing going on?
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It is exactly what is happening, just translated in a way that is relative to your waking mind.

The 'two' events are occurring at the same time. However, we interpret them differently from different perspectives. One perspective has less interactivity than the other (this one) and seems to occur at a different time.

What we remember is not what is happening in the dream world but our interpretation of it.

However, what we experience in our waking world is also an interpretation of something else.

There are as many interpretations as there are perspectives.

A dream world "event" on May 28th (as you see it) could be interpreted as the events that you experience on July 5th (or much later, or sooner).

3. Do I understand rightly ~

we don't sleep;
we don't shut down in order to rest;
We are fully aware and our dream stories are us translating experiences from the dreamworld so that they make sense in the waking world?

Hope this is clear

Also, could you explain what you mean by 'most importantly) we are chasing people in a dream and cashing checks while awake'

Thanks, Chaol
 Quoting: Marshwiggle


If sleeping means transitioning to an other perspective (that is more of a jump than the smooth transitions we experience at every moment) then yes, we sleep. But there is no loss of awareness.

It is not so much that we need rest but moreso that a change of perspective is needed.

And yes to, "We are fully aware and our dream stories are us translating experiences from the dreamworld so that they make sense in the waking world"

The question then is, "Does my perspective as it is being experienced RIGHT NOW remember what happened in my other perspective when I was dreaming?"

You remember, but "you" is more than one specific perspective. It is no-perspective-in-particular. A continuous transition of total perspectives, if you will.

By the statement, "...most importantly) we are chasing people in a dream and cashing checks while awake" I mean that chasing people = cashing checks (for example).

Two 'different' interpretations of the same thing. Our dream world is also an interpretation of something else.

Hope this helps :)
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Chaol,

Would it be accurate to conclude that staged events (plays) like the recent one in Newtown are designed to usher in a new brand of logic? For those that believe that something actually happened it would be repeal of the second amendment and vilification of gun owners and for the rest that can see through it, it would be the obvious fabrication of all these types of events (or rather non-events).

Not-Chaol
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What is happening is just the narrative by which you (the perspective) begin to understand that what you experience and perceive is your perspective.

The acting will become more obvious as we go along because we are, indeed, playing roles. We are seeing this expressed in various ways as I mentioned a couple of years ago. It's part of the process.

While such things are so that we can think about our reality I would not say that it's to bring us to an ultimate logic, or a new brand. Just something that is 'good enough' until an other kind of logic is more useful.

The events of Newtown, Aurora, New York, and hundreds of others of the past few years (most of the socially-important events that you see in the news media) are there to provide an opportunity to wonder about your reality.

What is real?

Although most of the actors in these various plays are psychopathic this, too, is a narrative to bring us closer to the realization that "they is us" and "us is me". (That persons involved appear to be divorced from society at large is an illustration of how we think we are separate from our own realities.)

The events of the past are not conspiracies to 'hide the truth' about events. It is just that we don't want to think about what it could mean.

Even the participants in the plays often do not know what is happening until long after it is over. Oftentimes there are two exercises going on at the same time (one "real" and the other "fake"). What is interesting is how willing we are to participate in something that crosses the line from fiction to reality, because we often do not know the difference ourselves.

The 'government' need not hide something that people will hide voluntarily in their own minds. It need not actually be hidden. It can be done out in the open and we will usually find a way to hide it, or make sense of it an other way that is more acceptable to our logic.

Government, people, society, et c, are all values in your perspective and are played out accordingly.
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So wouldn't a space that is relevant to my total reality be the room where I spend most of my time? And not a shared space? (I guess the kitchen could also count because there is a lot of value there.)

Yes, the space is difficult. I think that's the hardest part for me.....besides remembering what I'm to do with symbols each time...I have notes but I still miss what I wrote, LMAO! It's like going to the grocery with your list and still not getting everything, ha!

A gentle transition to the Dream World, which to me, includes becoming aware (or awake) as you are.
 Quoting: Unit3


Not necessarily. We cannot easily calculate value from the waking mind, because it often is not aware of it.

Just use a space that is in your perspective in order to take advantage of what it is ("possibility").

The more you stretch your idea of what your "space" is the more possibility can be realized.

We are all as awake as the other. But some of us make more relative those realities that you seek.

Why not make it relative?

If you're planning to go out somewhere at 5pm in your waking world, why not do the same for your dream world?

Why not plan your dreams? Why not watch your favorite television show in your dreams? Who is your family in the dreamworld? Why don't you want to talk to them about what happened yesterday?

The reason we do not remember (and experience it directly) is because it is not so relative. It's on the edge of relativity and we often miss it because we are so focused on the events of this world we miss how it relates.

You are well-capable of doing that now.

But keep in mind that you do not need to. It does not make you more aware of things, or more enlightened, or more knowledgeable, et c., in itself.

There is no gentle transition :)

That's why we don't remember. It's a bumpy ride lol

If we don't prefer bumpy rides then I suggest getting off the Chaos (forall) tour bus and taking in a nice vanilla ice cream instead.

Some of us will go through hell. But it will be a narrated hell with a nice ending :)

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You weren't in Tuuuuur's house. That's what I'm talking about. I am sitting at my desk but to see it from some other locality takes a different sense.
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We are all in Tuuuuur's house.

We just don't know it :)
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/snips/

OK, that's the whole point of doing the Genius...to see how I do it already.

You do a great job keeping our interest, heh!

And yes, you can give a no comment. I'll just say this, I wasn't asking how the models work but just if you have them and how they are taught...school, a big book of models (heh)or maybe parents just teach their children.
 Quoting: Unit3


I understand. But same response =D

Btw, if perspective is everything...then why don't you change your perspective of your world? (Since you told us you like ours better? I just don't get it!)
 Quoting: Unit3


I do.

And here I am.

Yes, I like this one better (as someone would sweets). But it doesn't mean I don't like the other one (for "health").

I would not say I am slumming it. I really enjoy a number of things. But it's also nice to be home.
 Quoting: Chaol




All this is verrrrry interesting. Thanks Chaol. hf
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You weren't in Tuuuuur's house. That's what I'm talking about. I am sitting at my desk but to see it from some other locality takes a different sense.
 Quoting: Unit3


We are all in Tuuuuur's house.

We just don't know it :)
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Very cool, heh!
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You weren't in Tuuuuur's house. That's what I'm talking about. I am sitting at my desk but to see it from some other locality takes a different sense.
 Quoting: Unit3


We are all in Tuuuuur's house.

We just don't know it :)
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chuckle

Tuuuuur's sleepin' with the lights on tonight!
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snips/ I'm actually getting kinda bored with using a Genius. /snips/
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And now perhaps you are beginning to understand why 'forgetting' is much more exciting and immersive.

And here we are.
 Quoting: Chaol


I've decided to simply enjoy noticing the Genius at work- rather than focus on something specific that I want. Interesting (and much more fun) in my opinion. :)
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So wouldn't a space that is relevant to my total reality be the room where I spend most of my time? And not a shared space? (I guess the kitchen could also count because there is a lot of value there.)

Yes, the space is difficult. I think that's the hardest part for me.....besides remembering what I'm to do with symbols each time...I have notes but I still miss what I wrote, LMAO! It's like going to the grocery with your list and still not getting everything, ha!

A gentle transition to the Dream World, which to me, includes becoming aware (or awake) as you are.
 Quoting: Unit3


Not necessarily. We cannot easily calculate value from the waking mind, because it often is not aware of it.

Just use a space that is in your perspective in order to take advantage of what it is ("possibility").

The more you stretch your idea of what your "space" is the more possibility can be realized.

We are all as awake as the other. But some of us make more relative those realities that you seek.

Why not make it relative?

If you're planning to go out somewhere at 5pm in your waking world, why not do the same for your dream world?

Why not plan your dreams? Why not watch your favorite television show in your dreams? Who is your family in the dreamworld? Why don't you want to talk to them about what happened yesterday?

The reason we do not remember (and experience it directly) is because it is not so relative. It's on the edge of relativity and we often miss it because we are so focused on the events of this world we miss how it relates.

You are well-capable of doing that now.

But keep in mind that you do not need to. It does not make you more aware of things, or more enlightened, or more knowledgeable, et c., in itself.

There is no gentle transition :)

That's why we don't remember. It's a bumpy ride lol

If we don't prefer bumpy rides then I suggest getting off the Chaos (forall) tour bus and taking in a nice vanilla ice cream instead.

Some of us will go through hell. But it will be a narrated hell with a nice ending :)
 Quoting: Chaol



I see now why calculating the value is difficult.

Well, I want to stretch my space then. I could leave a symbol, once per week, outside on the sidewalk where I take a lot of walks.

Yes, I would like to make the dream world more relative because what I do experience is awesome. But, you're saying being aware of how I author reality is more "enlightening" than making the dream world relative?

Yes, the more I thought about it, how would I know if I agree with what the subconscious might call gentle anyway? LOL!

Hmmmmm, narrated hell with a nice ending. I'd like to know what you mean by narrated...I know the rest, heh! Which reminds me, it's 2013. When do we get to hear what you have to say about this year? ;o)

Thanks Chaol.
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Dziękujemy Chaol. To było bardzo pomocne.
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What is physical meaning? (I still don't quite understand physicality....unless it's all just perception and I've applied the "rules", heh!)
 Quoting: Unit3


Physical meaning = physical values ("physical" as in our brand of physicality)

Everything is physical, as our perspective is physically-oriented.

"Physicality" is born of perspective, of course. Which means that the physical is more than just bricks and rocks and things you can feel. It is everything.
 Quoting: Chaol



Okay, well I know I have to adjust my idea of spiritual and also, your website says:


"At the dawn of the universe we existed without physical form. We lived exclusively in a dream-like state, free of physical constraints. Every thought became real, instantly. There were no limitations on what we could do."


The bold statement is why I enjoy my dreamtime so much. Your site also says this:


"Unfortunately for us, the physical model is breaking down. Now, from the period of 2001-2013, the dream world (the real world) is re-emerging."


and this:


"You can return to your more natural state of being using Ecsys to remove the physical constraints you have set up for yourself."


and this:


"The future of humanity is not with the physical body. It is with non-physical states. Ecsys shows you how to get there before it's too late."


So, I thought we are learning how to move from the physical. Do you have any idea when it's too late?

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And Ec helps us to interpret relationships we might otherwise not be aware of?

I know you've made the statement that the subconscious is coming out of the closet, so is this what we are talking about here? The experience of the dream world? And isn't the dreamworld a matrix also?

Thanks
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The interpretation depends on you, but I suppose you could say that Ec opens our minds to different interpretations the same way English (or an other similar language) does.

Meaning, for example, "this chair could also be (and is)..." when we are able to easily change its values.

In English, this is like adding an "s" or prefixes and suffixes, and relating words together (e.g., "chair-man").

So in Ec I would have the exact chair that Descartes sat on and then take away a few Possibility elements, and end up with something new that is still in the same family of the geometry of relationships.

A bit more advanced, and it is likely that we'll cover that later somehow.
 Quoting: Chaol

OK, looking forward to when we do cover these things. It's very interesting. Thanks Chaol!
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Certoinly!
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lol
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Dziękujemy Chaol. To było bardzo pomocne.
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An Ecsys string and you need interaction???????????????
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Also, do you have a toy car?
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Lots! Not a model of this particular one, but lots of toy cars. I could stick the bead in a toy truck I have, and take it with me... showing it to others and having them interact with it too would help as well, if I recall correctly?
 Quoting: tuuuuur


Do you have one the color of the moon that can fit in your hand?
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Yes! And it had me very excited as a kid! A plastic 1/43 scale Peugeot 403, my favorite car at the time.
I can't believe I didn't think of that one earlier. It's kind of fragile, the front and front bumper are off (just like the real life car).
 Quoting: tuuuuur


For the curious (this means you, Unit3! lol) when I asked tuuuuur is a toy car in perspective the car was there, but not relative.

Then I just made it more relative, and then it was "there" and remembered.

It was all ready there, like everything else.

In this post: [link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

it was upside down because of a shift in perspective. I just wanted there to be a subconscious reminder that it can be made into other things (like the car that was desired).
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snips/ I'm actually getting kinda bored with using a Genius. /snips/
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And now perhaps you are beginning to understand why 'forgetting' is much more exciting and immersive.

And here we are.
 Quoting: Chaol


I've decided to simply enjoy noticing the Genius at work- rather than focus on something specific that I want. Interesting (and much more fun) in my opinion. :)
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Wonderful!
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So wouldn't a space that is relevant to my total reality be the room where I spend most of my time? And not a shared space? (I guess the kitchen could also count because there is a lot of value there.)

Yes, the space is difficult. I think that's the hardest part for me.....besides remembering what I'm to do with symbols each time...I have notes but I still miss what I wrote, LMAO! It's like going to the grocery with your list and still not getting everything, ha!

A gentle transition to the Dream World, which to me, includes becoming aware (or awake) as you are.
 Quoting: Unit3


Not necessarily. We cannot easily calculate value from the waking mind, because it often is not aware of it.

Just use a space that is in your perspective in order to take advantage of what it is ("possibility").

The more you stretch your idea of what your "space" is the more possibility can be realized.

We are all as awake as the other. But some of us make more relative those realities that you seek.

Why not make it relative?

If you're planning to go out somewhere at 5pm in your waking world, why not do the same for your dream world?

Why not plan your dreams? Why not watch your favorite television show in your dreams? Who is your family in the dreamworld? Why don't you want to talk to them about what happened yesterday?

The reason we do not remember (and experience it directly) is because it is not so relative. It's on the edge of relativity and we often miss it because we are so focused on the events of this world we miss how it relates.

You are well-capable of doing that now.

But keep in mind that you do not need to. It does not make you more aware of things, or more enlightened, or more knowledgeable, et c., in itself.

There is no gentle transition :)

That's why we don't remember. It's a bumpy ride lol

If we don't prefer bumpy rides then I suggest getting off the Chaos (forall) tour bus and taking in a nice vanilla ice cream instead.

Some of us will go through hell. But it will be a narrated hell with a nice ending :)
 Quoting: Chaol


Thanks Chaol,some more mind blowing stuff to think about!
When you say we have to change perspective, does this mean even if we don`t sleep we still change perspective and do we know that we have changed perspective? Does this mean staying up and watching whatever is on TV or just reading a book is the perspective change?

I am assuming the "me" in my dream reality understands more of how things work and how to make things more relative. It`s funny you mention planning your dream activities as this is something I have never even considered to do before. Since my dreams are quite eventful but I tend not to remember them completely, I never thought it would be possible to ask questions and stuff like that while I`m there. I most likely do but I haven`t made it relative to my waking self I guess, so I don`t remember. What things could you recommend I do to make my dream life more relative to my waking experience? I know you say there is no need to do this but I think it will be a "really cool" ability to cultivate. I have never lucid dreamed or anything like that so this could be something for me to attempt!
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Dziękujemy Chaol. To było bardzo pomocne.
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Surely.
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I see now why calculating the value is difficult.

Well, I want to stretch my space then. I could leave a symbol, once per week, outside on the sidewalk where I take a lot of walks.

Yes, I would like to make the dream world more relative because what I do experience is awesome. But, you're saying being aware of how I author reality is more "enlightening" than making the dream world relative?
 Quoting: Unit3


There's more value in your current experience than any other.

One need not be enlightened for any purpose because you are all ready.

There's all ways something "more" to be enlightened about, isn't there?

Hmmmmm, narrated hell with a nice ending. I'd like to know what you mean by narrated...I know the rest, heh! Which reminds me, it's 2013. When do we get to hear what you have to say about this year? ;o)

Thanks Chaol.
 Quoting: Unit3


I will be performing the narration.. lol, almost kidding.

Yes, it's 2013. Exciting times.

We'll just wait and see what is happening. Who knows!
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What is physical meaning? (I still don't quite understand physicality....unless it's all just perception and I've applied the "rules", heh!)
 Quoting: Unit3


Physical meaning = physical values ("physical" as in our brand of physicality)

Everything is physical, as our perspective is physically-oriented.

"Physicality" is born of perspective, of course. Which means that the physical is more than just bricks and rocks and things you can feel. It is everything.
 Quoting: Chaol



Okay, well I know I have to adjust my idea of spiritual and also, your website says:


"At the dawn of the universe we existed without physical form. We lived exclusively in a dream-like state, free of physical constraints. Every thought became real, instantly. There were no limitations on what we could do."


The bold statement is why I enjoy my dreamtime so much. Your site also says this:


"Unfortunately for us, the physical model is breaking down. Now, from the period of 2001-2013, the dream world (the real world) is re-emerging."


and this:


"You can return to your more natural state of being using Ecsys to remove the physical constraints you have set up for yourself."


and this:


"The future of humanity is not with the physical body. It is with non-physical states. Ecsys shows you how to get there before it's too late."


So, I thought we are learning how to move from the physical. Do you have any idea when it's too late?
 Quoting: Unit3


The content of the website is for ease of explanation, and an introduction to this forum and further exploration.

Some of us will appear to die should they not make the transition to the dreamworld. But it's not something to talk about at this time.

I know this really interests you, though. But it's all a matter of perspective :)
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So wouldn't a space that is relevant to my total reality be the room where I spend most of my time? And not a shared space? (I guess the kitchen could also count because there is a lot of value there.)

Yes, the space is difficult. I think that's the hardest part for me.....besides remembering what I'm to do with symbols each time...I have notes but I still miss what I wrote, LMAO! It's like going to the grocery with your list and still not getting everything, ha!

A gentle transition to the Dream World, which to me, includes becoming aware (or awake) as you are.
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Not necessarily. We cannot easily calculate value from the waking mind, because it often is not aware of it.

Just use a space that is in your perspective in order to take advantage of what it is ("possibility").

The more you stretch your idea of what your "space" is the more possibility can be realized.

We are all as awake as the other. But some of us make more relative those realities that you seek.

Why not make it relative?

If you're planning to go out somewhere at 5pm in your waking world, why not do the same for your dream world?

Why not plan your dreams? Why not watch your favorite television show in your dreams? Who is your family in the dreamworld? Why don't you want to talk to them about what happened yesterday?

The reason we do not remember (and experience it directly) is because it is not so relative. It's on the edge of relativity and we often miss it because we are so focused on the events of this world we miss how it relates.

You are well-capable of doing that now.

But keep in mind that you do not need to. It does not make you more aware of things, or more enlightened, or more knowledgeable, et c., in itself.

There is no gentle transition :)

That's why we don't remember. It's a bumpy ride lol

If we don't prefer bumpy rides then I suggest getting off the Chaos (forall) tour bus and taking in a nice vanilla ice cream instead.

Some of us will go through hell. But it will be a narrated hell with a nice ending :)
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Thanks Chaol,some more mind blowing stuff to think about!
When you say we have to change perspective, does this mean even if we don`t sleep we still change perspective and do we know that we have changed perspective? Does this mean staying up and watching whatever is on TV or just reading a book is the perspective change?

I am assuming the "me" in my dream reality understands more of how things work and how to make things more relative. It`s funny you mention planning your dream activities as this is something I have never even considered to do before. Since my dreams are quite eventful but I tend not to remember them completely, I never thought it would be possible to ask questions and stuff like that while I`m there. I most likely do but I haven`t made it relative to my waking self I guess, so I don`t remember. What things could you recommend I do to make my dream life more relative to my waking experience? I know you say there is no need to do this but I think it will be a "really cool" ability to cultivate. I have never lucid dreamed or anything like that so this could be something for me to attempt!
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For ease of explanation you can say that perspective transitions in waves. Some waves, or cycles, are bigger than others.

Very minor transitions are occurring at every moment. This could be while doing anything.

Reading could be a step up in the cycle.

Sleeping is an other step. (It's actually a multitude of steps that happen very quickly from our waking perspective. But in each dream-step there is a cycle up.)

Yes, if you don't sleep you are still changing perspective just like you're doing it when you are reading. (Though some values in your perspective are "sleeping" because this cycle-change knocks them out just like you're knocked out at a different cycle change).

The dream you interacts more because it's "space" is more. Because this interaction is increased the understanding seems to increase, because the "answers" are at its fingertips (more relative because of the interaction).

For your question, "What things could you recommend I do to make my dream life more relative to my waking experience?" I often will say there's nothing you need to do because I don't want to give the impression that you need to be doing something else. It is our nature to think that we need to do something else, but really we are all ready doing it. We just don't see the forest for the trees, I suppose. And doing something else could take us off the 'path' that would have led us to where we want to go.

The path that we choose consciously will probably lead us astray from where we really want to go.

So, "there is nothing more to do".

But I will allow you to answer the question. So, what things could you do to make your dream life more relative to your waking experience?

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Hi everyone, I just want to say that I really appreciate your input here and I'm enjoying the discourse immensely. I'm fascinated, utterly, by this stuff...every thing here. I'm learning so much (although it has a strange feel...not like learning, exactly) from reading all that is said between Chaol and every one else. Thanks!

The last 7 days have been so odd in terms of the perception of the passage of time. It feels like it's going so slow--like I've lived 7 months in 7 days. It's definitely not like last year where a month felt like a day. My dreams during this time have been like at no other time in my life. I've recorded each night's dreams for the past 7 days...I'm averaging 4 dreams/night. They are so vivid...there is so much more there that I can't articulate.

Any way, I just wanted to record these thoughts here and say thanks to you for participating and keeping things trucking here. You are all the best! See you in the dream world.

(And special thanks to you Chaol)
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Hi everyone, I just want to say that I really appreciate your input here and I'm enjoying the discourse immensely. I'm fascinated, utterly, by this stuff...every thing here. I'm learning so much (although it has a strange feel...not like learning, exactly) from reading all that is said between Chaol and every one else. Thanks!

The last 7 days have been so odd in terms of the perception of the passage of time. It feels like it's going so slow--like I've lived 7 months in 7 days. It's definitely not like last year where a month felt like a day. My dreams during this time have been like at no other time in my life. I've recorded each night's dreams for the past 7 days...I'm averaging 4 dreams/night. They are so vivid...there is so much more there that I can't articulate.

Any way, I just wanted to record these thoughts here and say thanks to you for participating and keeping things trucking here. You are all the best! See you in the dream world.

(And special thanks to you Chaol)
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Thanks to you too and everyone else on this bumpy old ride! Same here for me. I have had a lot of increased dream time this past week. I haven`t been able to record them though. That`s one way to make your dream world relative to waking world Chaol. I was able to do it a couple of times last year and just reading what I wrote down is pretty amazing!

I could also set little reminders during my waking day to do something I am doing now (in my waking reality) later in my dream time. This way I am anchoring the two events in my waking reality even if I don`t realize later if I followed through or not.

Thanks again hf
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Lots! Not a model of this particular one, but lots of toy cars. I could stick the bead in a toy truck I have, and take it with me... showing it to others and having them interact with it too would help as well, if I recall correctly?
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Do you have one the color of the moon that can fit in your hand?
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Yes! And it had me very excited as a kid! A plastic 1/43 scale Peugeot 403, my favorite car at the time.
I can't believe I didn't think of that one earlier. It's kind of fragile, the front and front bumper are off (just like the real life car).
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For the curious (this means you, Unit3! lol) when I asked tuuuuur is a toy car in perspective the car was there, but not relative.

Then I just made it more relative, and then it was "there" and remembered.

It was all ready there, like everything else.

In this post: [link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

it was upside down because of a shift in perspective. I just wanted there to be a subconscious reminder that it can be made into other things (like the car that was desired).
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lol I'm more than curious, I WANT IT! Heh!

But how did you know it was the color of the moon??????
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lol I'm more than curious, I WANT IT! Heh!

But how did you know it was the color of the moon??????
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Because I looked at it :)
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I see now why calculating the value is difficult.

Well, I want to stretch my space then. I could leave a symbol, once per week, outside on the sidewalk where I take a lot of walks.

Yes, I would like to make the dream world more relative because what I do experience is awesome. But, you're saying being aware of how I author reality is more "enlightening" than making the dream world relative?
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There's more value in your current experience than any other.

One need not be enlightened for any purpose because you are all ready.

There's all ways something "more" to be enlightened about, isn't there?

Hmmmmm, narrated hell with a nice ending. I'd like to know what you mean by narrated...I know the rest, heh! Which reminds me, it's 2013. When do we get to hear what you have to say about this year? ;o)

Thanks Chaol.
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I will be performing the narration.. lol, almost kidding.

Yes, it's 2013. Exciting times.

We'll just wait and see what is happening. Who knows!
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Oh I'd like you to perform the narrative....and I'm not almost kidding, LOL!

Aha! I thought you already had ideas about 2013. Okay, the wait is on. In the meantime, here Genius, Genius!
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What is physical meaning? (I still don't quite understand physicality....unless it's all just perception and I've applied the "rules", heh!)
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Physical meaning = physical values ("physical" as in our brand of physicality)

Everything is physical, as our perspective is physically-oriented.

"Physicality" is born of perspective, of course. Which means that the physical is more than just bricks and rocks and things you can feel. It is everything.
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Okay, well I know I have to adjust my idea of spiritual and also, your website says:


"At the dawn of the universe we existed without physical form. We lived exclusively in a dream-like state, free of physical constraints. Every thought became real, instantly. There were no limitations on what we could do."


The bold statement is why I enjoy my dreamtime so much. Your site also says this:


"Unfortunately for us, the physical model is breaking down. Now, from the period of 2001-2013, the dream world (the real world) is re-emerging."


and this:


"You can return to your more natural state of being using Ecsys to remove the physical constraints you have set up for yourself."


and this:


"The future of humanity is not with the physical body. It is with non-physical states. Ecsys shows you how to get there before it's too late."


So, I thought we are learning how to move from the physical. Do you have any idea when it's too late?
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The content of the website is for ease of explanation, and an introduction to this forum and further exploration.

Some of us will appear to die should they not make the transition to the dreamworld. But it's not something to talk about at this time.

I know this really interests you, though. But it's all a matter of perspective :)
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Verrrrry interesting. Thanks Chaol!
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