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Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

 
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Oh I'd like you to perform the narrative....and I'm not almost kidding, LOL!

Aha! I thought you already had ideas about 2013. Okay, the wait is on. In the meantime, here Genius, Genius!
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Sure, we all have ideas. But it's not so far away, is it?
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So the subconscious is where we really want to go? I just think it's strange that the subconscious is in charge. How and why do we do that?
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Control is irrelevant.

You are your subconscious.

But what you call your subconscious interacts more, so has more of an idea of 'the big picture' (and, thus, knows where you're headed)
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lol I'm more than curious, I WANT IT! Heh!

But how did you know it was the color of the moon??????
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Because I looked at it :)
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afro

So are you actually able to see into our lives with Ec? I mean, if you wanted, could you take a peek?

Edit: OMG, I just realized that I peek in on folks. Only, I don't know how I do it. It just happens some times. I thought it was some kind of psychic spiritual ability........but it's an Ec thing. WOW!
 Quoting: Unit3


Your life is my life, too ;)

But, no.. I don't see anything with Ec. I'm just guessing :)

That will save me from being part of a freak show, hopefully lol
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You weren't in Tuuuuur's house. That's what I'm talking about. I am sitting at my desk but to see it from some other locality takes a different sense.
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We are all in Tuuuuur's house.

We just don't know it :)
 Quoting: Chaol


Now my brain *really* hurts! ;)

Just don't mind the mess will ya. :-D
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Just think of all the things we can do once we learn how to really use Ec, heh, heh!
 Quoting: Unit3

Just think of all the things you (can) perceive once we understand how our perspective works.

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There is logic that is relative (already) allowing the dreamworld to be perceived here in the now. We talk of it like it's a "world" as if it's somewhere else. But over and over again we're reminded that it's not. It's here now in the geometry of relationships. We sense it, and have a subtle awareness of something "more" than we are currently perceiving.

I just watched that old documentary style narrative thingie from like 2004 "What the Bleep do we know?" again and I had missed (ironically, I originally dismissed them as irrelevant) quite a bit the last time I had seen it. The thing that stuck out for me (whether true or not is irrelevant) was that apparently the "natives" that saw the "Spanish" coming to what would ultimately become called the "Americas" did not originally see the boats on the horizon. They witnessed alterations like unusual waves. It was apparently the "open minded" shaman types that eventually realized what they were and upon being told what the shaman had seen, the ships were unveiled to the rest of the natives.

I've come to believe that our conscious/subconscious split is as a result of our "Ego". I see the "Ego" (now) as our (perceived) past. We just don't want to let it go. Even studying all of this, so thoroughly is as a result of my "Ego's" drive to comprehend it's place within the geometry of relationships and to find meaning in itself. Every perspective is "here", "now", but we've conditioned "ourselves" to ignore anything that doesn't satisfy our "Ego" in some way.

Our conscious mind from a "hypnotherapy" standpoint is separated by an illusory film from our subconscious that is referred to as the "Conscious Critical Faculty". This is as a result of our perceived past trying to make sense of our present and predict our future. We acquire this useful tool at an early age, about the time we pass our "self awareness" tests and separate "ourselves" from "others".

Although there are infinite "possibilities" within the geometry of relationships, we find that they are finite within perspective. We can only experience what is most relative. If we can drop our "Ego" (our attachment to our perceived past) and allow ourselves to let the subconscious work for us without interference we will receive more of what we "wish".

Chaol provides alternate tools to take place of the "critical faculty" and I am just beginning to comprehend how to integrate them (although the mere consideration of them has made them more relative and in turn caused them to integrate). He tells us the "dream world is becoming more relative" and upon reading that we automatically move one bottle closer to a perspective where we are aware of this.

Ec and the Genius are still beyond my comprehension despite all the subjective evidence I have received. It just hasn't been relative enough to my perspective to allow the transition from intellectually "being aware of" and fundamentally "knowing".

Every day, I spend hours meditating, daydreaming, working, studying and entertaining myself in ways I believe are relative to my perceived goal of achieving an "expanded awareness". But for what? The perspective I hold now is nearly irrelevant to the perspective I had at the beginning of this journey as I am now at the point I would have previously seen as an "expanded awareness". It (expanding awareness) doesn't stop, it will expand forever. As my past becomes less relative, it will fade like a dream I I just didn't care enough to write down.

Even with Choal describing how this all comes to be in great detail with the target audience of someone ignorant to any of it, I find myself still stumped. His word's resonate with me and I see that he is right, yet I do not put forth the necessary effort to pursue his techniques to mastery. I find myself stifled by "cognitive dissonance". I am somehow wearing "ego" based "blinders" rendering me incapable of "noticing" the crumbs on my path.

Then again, I pick crumbs up often. I find them everywhere I look. To say that I am incapable of noticing them is a disservice to the ones that I've been provided. It's just that I am hoping to pick one up that contains some kind of fast-acting-infectious quality that will somehow change me without allowing my "Ego"(the me I perceive myself to have been) to evaluate it's worth. Just typing that last sentence had my ego buzzing with alarms, "what if it manifests as cancer, the death of your wife or family, the fall of western civilization, a brain tumor , or more likely an inability to relate to what you care about most right now.. etc?"

I want to integrate my subconscious as thoroughly as possible into my conscious mind. I see the subconscious as what Chaol refers to as the "dream world" and the conscious as what we call our relative (local) physicality. It's just that I can see (now) that this is an "Ego" based (physically oriented) "want". This is my perceived paradox. It appears that eliminating the "ego" is not an option as it seems that IS the thing that "wants". Our dream perspective (subconscious) wants for nothing, it has anything it wants in any quantity at any time in any way.

Chaol, you tell us to take advantage of this with your techniques. I have a renewed interest to do so.

"Time will tell."

hf
Thank you.
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There is logic that is relative (already) allowing the dreamworld to be perceived here in the now. We talk of it like it's a "world" as if it's somewhere else. But over and over again we're reminded that it's not. It's here now in the geometry of relationships. We sense it, and have a subtle awareness of something "more" than we are currently perceiving.

I just watched that old documentary style narrative thingie from like 2004 "What the Bleep do we know?" again and I had missed (ironically, I originally dismissed them as irrelevant) quite a bit the last time I had seen it. The thing that stuck out for me (whether true or not is irrelevant) was that apparently the "natives" that saw the "Spanish" coming to what would ultimately become called the "Americas" did not originally see the boats on the horizon. They witnessed alterations like unusual waves. It was apparently the "open minded" shaman types that eventually realized what they were and upon being told what the shaman had seen, the ships were unveiled to the rest of the natives.

I've come to believe that our conscious/subconscious split is as a result of our "Ego". I see the "Ego" (now) as our (perceived) past. We just don't want to let it go. Even studying all of this, so thoroughly is as a result of my "Ego's" drive to comprehend it's place within the geometry of relationships and to find meaning in itself. Every perspective is "here", "now", but we've conditioned "ourselves" to ignore anything that doesn't satisfy our "Ego" in some way.

Our conscious mind from a "hypnotherapy" standpoint is separated by an illusory film from our subconscious that is referred to as the "Conscious Critical Faculty". This is as a result of our perceived past trying to make sense of our present and predict our future. We acquire this useful tool at an early age, about the time we pass our "self awareness" tests and separate "ourselves" from "others".

Although there are infinite "possibilities" within the geometry of relationships, we find that they are finite within perspective. We can only experience what is most relative. If we can drop our "Ego" (our attachment to our perceived past) and allow ourselves to let the subconscious work for us without interference we will receive more of what we "wish".

Chaol provides alternate tools to take place of the "critical faculty" and I am just beginning to comprehend how to integrate them (although the mere consideration of them has made them more relative and in turn caused them to integrate). He tells us the "dream world is becoming more relative" and upon reading that we automatically move one bottle closer to a perspective where we are aware of this.

Ec and the Genius are still beyond my comprehension despite all the subjective evidence I have received. It just hasn't been relative enough to my perspective to allow the transition from intellectually "being aware of" and fundamentally "knowing".

Every day, I spend hours meditating, daydreaming, working, studying and entertaining myself in ways I believe are relative to my perceived goal of achieving an "expanded awareness". But for what? The perspective I hold now is nearly irrelevant to the perspective I had at the beginning of this journey as I am now at the point I would have previously seen as an "expanded awareness". It (expanding awareness) doesn't stop, it will expand forever. As my past becomes less relative, it will fade like a dream I I just didn't care enough to write down.

Even with Choal describing how this all comes to be in great detail with the target audience of someone ignorant to any of it, I find myself still stumped. His word's resonate with me and I see that he is right, yet I do not put forth the necessary effort to pursue his techniques to mastery. I find myself stifled by "cognitive dissonance". I am somehow wearing "ego" based "blinders" rendering me incapable of "noticing" the crumbs on my path.

Then again, I pick crumbs up often. I find them everywhere I look. To say that I am incapable of noticing them is a disservice to the ones that I've been provided. It's just that I am hoping to pick one up that contains some kind of fast-acting-infectious quality that will somehow change me without allowing my "Ego"(the me I perceive myself to have been) to evaluate it's worth. Just typing that last sentence had my ego buzzing with alarms, "what if it manifests as cancer, the death of your wife or family, the fall of western civilization, a brain tumor , or more likely an inability to relate to what you care about most right now.. etc?"

I want to integrate my subconscious as thoroughly as possible into my conscious mind. I see the subconscious as what Chaol refers to as the "dream world" and the conscious as what we call our relative (local) physicality. It's just that I can see (now) that this is an "Ego" based (physically oriented) "want". This is my perceived paradox. It appears that eliminating the "ego" is not an option as it seems that IS the thing that "wants". Our dream perspective (subconscious) wants for nothing, it has anything it wants in any quantity at any time in any way.

Chaol, you tell us to take advantage of this with your techniques. I have a renewed interest to do so.

"Time will tell."

hf
Thank you.
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Great post hf
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Thanks AC30493537, apparently it logged me out. Lol

Last Edited by MutantMessiah on 01/08/2013 11:22 AM
Consider the possibility that you order yourself into being from chaos... You do this, always, in all ways. This "ordering" has resulted in the possibilities you're experiencing, here, now. In each experience you've ever had, more and more of "this" reality is generated logically from your previous experience. Your observation of this unfolding of order and chaos is reality.
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I have been banned since mid-December. Decided to access these threads in dreamworld and here I am! Kind of.

In dreamworld, this gathering is called a "flal". lol.

Lots happening. Lots of questions. Later on this, when I get better access.

Walls of Great Hall are transparent!

Thanks all for keeping this thread going.
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I have been banned since mid-December. Decided to access these threads in dreamworld and here I am! Kind of.

In dreamworld, this gathering is called a "flal". lol.

Lots happening. Lots of questions. Later on this, when I get better access.

Walls of Great Hall are transparent!

Thanks all for keeping this thread going.
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I think you meant "thanks all for keeping this flal going" lol
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Oh I'd like you to perform the narrative....and I'm not almost kidding, LOL!

Aha! I thought you already had ideas about 2013. Okay, the wait is on. In the meantime, here Genius, Genius!
 Quoting: Unit3


Sure, we all have ideas. But it's not so far away, is it?
 Quoting: Chaol




Yes. And I have to say, things are much quieter than I expected.
"We are the music makers. And we are the dreamers of dreams." Willy Wonka
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So the subconscious is where we really want to go? I just think it's strange that the subconscious is in charge. How and why do we do that?
 Quoting: Unit3


Control is irrelevant.

You are your subconscious.

But what you call your subconscious interacts more, so has more of an idea of 'the big picture' (and, thus, knows where you're headed)
 Quoting: Chaol




That's interesting. I guess that's why dream time is so amazing.

I'm trying to interact more myself in waking time. I remember you saying quite often how important interaction is.
"We are the music makers. And we are the dreamers of dreams." Willy Wonka
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lol I'm more than curious, I WANT IT! Heh!

But how did you know it was the color of the moon??????
 Quoting: Unit3


Because I looked at it :)
 Quoting: Chaol


afro

So are you actually able to see into our lives with Ec? I mean, if you wanted, could you take a peek?

Edit: OMG, I just realized that I peek in on folks. Only, I don't know how I do it. It just happens some times. I thought it was some kind of psychic spiritual ability........but it's an Ec thing. WOW!
 Quoting: Unit3


Your life is my life, too ;)

But, no.. I don't see anything with Ec. I'm just guessing :)

That will save me from being part of a freak show, hopefully lol
 Quoting: Chaol




Well, I don't want to be part of a freak show either, but I'm afraid I already am. I just don't know how I'm doing it.

You're a good guesser!
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...

We are all in Tuuuuur's house.

We just don't know it :)
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Now my brain *really* hurts! ;)

Just don't mind the mess will ya. :-D
 Quoting: tuuuuur

Just think of all the things we can do once we learn how to really use Ec, heh, heh!
 Quoting: Unit3

Just think of all the things you (can) perceive once we understand how our perspective works.
 Quoting: Chaol




Space travel?
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There is logic that is relative (already) allowing the dreamworld to be perceived here in the now. We talk of it like it's a "world" as if it's somewhere else. But over and over again we're reminded that it's not. It's here now in the geometry of relationships. We sense it, and have a subtle awareness of something "more" than we are currently perceiving.

I just watched that old documentary style narrative thingie from like 2004 "What the Bleep do we know?" again and I had missed (ironically, I originally dismissed them as irrelevant) quite a bit the last time I had seen it. The thing that stuck out for me (whether true or not is irrelevant) was that apparently the "natives" that saw the "Spanish" coming to what would ultimately become called the "Americas" did not originally see the boats on the horizon. They witnessed alterations like unusual waves. It was apparently the "open minded" shaman types that eventually realized what they were and upon being told what the shaman had seen, the ships were unveiled to the rest of the natives.

I've come to believe that our conscious/subconscious split is as a result of our "Ego". I see the "Ego" (now) as our (perceived) past. We just don't want to let it go. Even studying all of this, so thoroughly is as a result of my "Ego's" drive to comprehend it's place within the geometry of relationships and to find meaning in itself. Every perspective is "here", "now", but we've conditioned "ourselves" to ignore anything that doesn't satisfy our "Ego" in some way.

Our conscious mind from a "hypnotherapy" standpoint is separated by an illusory film from our subconscious that is referred to as the "Conscious Critical Faculty". This is as a result of our perceived past trying to make sense of our present and predict our future. We acquire this useful tool at an early age, about the time we pass our "self awareness" tests and separate "ourselves" from "others".

Although there are infinite "possibilities" within the geometry of relationships, we find that they are finite within perspective. We can only experience what is most relative. If we can drop our "Ego" (our attachment to our perceived past) and allow ourselves to let the subconscious work for us without interference we will receive more of what we "wish".

Chaol provides alternate tools to take place of the "critical faculty" and I am just beginning to comprehend how to integrate them (although the mere consideration of them has made them more relative and in turn caused them to integrate). He tells us the "dream world is becoming more relative" and upon reading that we automatically move one bottle closer to a perspective where we are aware of this.

Ec and the Genius are still beyond my comprehension despite all the subjective evidence I have received. It just hasn't been relative enough to my perspective to allow the transition from intellectually "being aware of" and fundamentally "knowing".

Every day, I spend hours meditating, daydreaming, working, studying and entertaining myself in ways I believe are relative to my perceived goal of achieving an "expanded awareness". But for what? The perspective I hold now is nearly irrelevant to the perspective I had at the beginning of this journey as I am now at the point I would have previously seen as an "expanded awareness". It (expanding awareness) doesn't stop, it will expand forever. As my past becomes less relative, it will fade like a dream I I just didn't care enough to write down.

Even with Choal describing how this all comes to be in great detail with the target audience of someone ignorant to any of it, I find myself still stumped. His word's resonate with me and I see that he is right, yet I do not put forth the necessary effort to pursue his techniques to mastery. I find myself stifled by "cognitive dissonance". I am somehow wearing "ego" based "blinders" rendering me incapable of "noticing" the crumbs on my path.

Then again, I pick crumbs up often. I find them everywhere I look. To say that I am incapable of noticing them is a disservice to the ones that I've been provided. It's just that I am hoping to pick one up that contains some kind of fast-acting-infectious quality that will somehow change me without allowing my "Ego"(the me I perceive myself to have been) to evaluate it's worth. Just typing that last sentence had my ego buzzing with alarms, "what if it manifests as cancer, the death of your wife or family, the fall of western civilization, a brain tumor , or more likely an inability to relate to what you care about most right now.. etc?"

I want to integrate my subconscious as thoroughly as possible into my conscious mind. I see the subconscious as what Chaol refers to as the "dream world" and the conscious as what we call our relative (local) physicality. It's just that I can see (now) that this is an "Ego" based (physically oriented) "want". This is my perceived paradox. It appears that eliminating the "ego" is not an option as it seems that IS the thing that "wants". Our dream perspective (subconscious) wants for nothing, it has anything it wants in any quantity at any time in any way.

Chaol, you tell us to take advantage of this with your techniques. I have a renewed interest to do so.

"Time will tell."

hf
Thank you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11481360




Very touching. I wish you well.

I have to remind myself that I will learn this but it takes time. While I am impatient because I see how valuable this information is, isn't it wonderful that I (and we) are being offered this opportunity?

One thing for sure, it makes me re-evaluate every belief I have. That takes a lot right there much less all the rest that's going on.

Edit: Didn't realize this was yours, Jesse. Your post reminds me of when I was thinking about a Genius for a soft-landing. I realized a soft landing might be one thing to me and another for the subconscious.

How would I know if a soft-landing might be to die so I can be born again in the dream world? Interesting to think about!

Last Edited by ERE3 on 01/08/2013 07:29 PM
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I have been banned since mid-December. Decided to access these threads in dreamworld and here I am! Kind of.

In dreamworld, this gathering is called a "flal". lol.

Lots happening. Lots of questions. Later on this, when I get better access.

Walls of Great Hall are transparent!

Thanks all for keeping this thread going.
 Quoting: Kathleen 2396655




Wow! Thanks for touching base here. Hope you get better access soon! ;o)





Edit: Wait, they know about us???????

I guess they should since we're all right here, heh! And just when I was trying to talk myself into being patient, here comes a post like this, LOL!!!!!

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I have been banned since mid-December. Decided to access these threads in dreamworld and here I am! Kind of.

In dreamworld, this gathering is called a "flal". lol.

Lots happening. Lots of questions. Later on this, when I get better access.

Walls of Great Hall are transparent!

Thanks all for keeping this thread going.
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Kath, I've added a bookshelf to the ecsys weebly site- happy reading!

hf

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I have been banned since mid-December. Decided to access these threads in dreamworld and here I am! Kind of.

In dreamworld, this gathering is called a "flal". lol.

Lots happening. Lots of questions. Later on this, when I get better access.

Walls of Great Hall are transparent!

Thanks all for keeping this thread going.
 Quoting: Kathleen 2396655


Good to see you back, Kath! Look forward to hearing more of your adventures :)

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There is logic that is relative (already) allowing the dreamworld to be perceived here in the now. We talk of it like it's a "world" as if it's somewhere else. But over and over again we're reminded that it's not. It's here now in the geometry of relationships. We sense it, and have a subtle awareness of something "more" than we are currently perceiving.

I just watched that old documentary style narrative thingie from like 2004 "What the Bleep do we know?" again and I had missed (ironically, I originally dismissed them as irrelevant) quite a bit the last time I had seen it. The thing that stuck out for me (whether true or not is irrelevant) was that apparently the "natives" that saw the "Spanish" coming to what would ultimately become called the "Americas" did not originally see the boats on the horizon. They witnessed alterations like unusual waves. It was apparently the "open minded" shaman types that eventually realized what they were and upon being told what the shaman had seen, the ships were unveiled to the rest of the natives.

I've come to believe that our conscious/subconscious split is as a result of our "Ego". I see the "Ego" (now) as our (perceived) past. We just don't want to let it go. Even studying all of this, so thoroughly is as a result of my "Ego's" drive to comprehend it's place within the geometry of relationships and to find meaning in itself. Every perspective is "here", "now", but we've conditioned "ourselves" to ignore anything that doesn't satisfy our "Ego" in some way.

Our conscious mind from a "hypnotherapy" standpoint is separated by an illusory film from our subconscious that is referred to as the "Conscious Critical Faculty". This is as a result of our perceived past trying to make sense of our present and predict our future. We acquire this useful tool at an early age, about the time we pass our "self awareness" tests and separate "ourselves" from "others".

Although there are infinite "possibilities" within the geometry of relationships, we find that they are finite within perspective. We can only experience what is most relative. If we can drop our "Ego" (our attachment to our perceived past) and allow ourselves to let the subconscious work for us without interference we will receive more of what we "wish".

Chaol provides alternate tools to take place of the "critical faculty" and I am just beginning to comprehend how to integrate them (although the mere consideration of them has made them more relative and in turn caused them to integrate). He tells us the "dream world is becoming more relative" and upon reading that we automatically move one bottle closer to a perspective where we are aware of this.

Ec and the Genius are still beyond my comprehension despite all the subjective evidence I have received. It just hasn't been relative enough to my perspective to allow the transition from intellectually "being aware of" and fundamentally "knowing".

Every day, I spend hours meditating, daydreaming, working, studying and entertaining myself in ways I believe are relative to my perceived goal of achieving an "expanded awareness". But for what? The perspective I hold now is nearly irrelevant to the perspective I had at the beginning of this journey as I am now at the point I would have previously seen as an "expanded awareness". It (expanding awareness) doesn't stop, it will expand forever. As my past becomes less relative, it will fade like a dream I I just didn't care enough to write down.

Even with Choal describing how this all comes to be in great detail with the target audience of someone ignorant to any of it, I find myself still stumped. His word's resonate with me and I see that he is right, yet I do not put forth the necessary effort to pursue his techniques to mastery. I find myself stifled by "cognitive dissonance". I am somehow wearing "ego" based "blinders" rendering me incapable of "noticing" the crumbs on my path.

Then again, I pick crumbs up often. I find them everywhere I look. To say that I am incapable of noticing them is a disservice to the ones that I've been provided. It's just that I am hoping to pick one up that contains some kind of fast-acting-infectious quality that will somehow change me without allowing my "Ego"(the me I perceive myself to have been) to evaluate it's worth. Just typing that last sentence had my ego buzzing with alarms, "what if it manifests as cancer, the death of your wife or family, the fall of western civilization, a brain tumor , or more likely an inability to relate to what you care about most right now.. etc?"

I want to integrate my subconscious as thoroughly as possible into my conscious mind. I see the subconscious as what Chaol refers to as the "dream world" and the conscious as what we call our relative (local) physicality. It's just that I can see (now) that this is an "Ego" based (physically oriented) "want". This is my perceived paradox. It appears that eliminating the "ego" is not an option as it seems that IS the thing that "wants". Our dream perspective (subconscious) wants for nothing, it has anything it wants in any quantity at any time in any way.

Chaol, you tell us to take advantage of this with your techniques. I have a renewed interest to do so.

"Time will tell."

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Thank you.
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Nicely put.

Knowing without realizing you know.

Kinda like life.
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Just think of all the things you (can) perceive once we understand how our perspective works.
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Space travel?
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Is that all you wanted for Christmas?
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One night recently my 10 year old son seemed to be in both the dreamworld and this one simultaneously. He was very scared. He was describing things to me that he could see, but I couldn't. He also said everything was speeding up. He referred to things in the room that I could see and carried on a proper conversation with me and was obviously awake in this world.

I've not witnessed or experienced anything like that before. And it is because of this thread that I choose to make sense of it like this. That, alone, is fascinating. A few years ago I would have perceived this differently and probably made it irrelevent.

Exciting stuff!

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One night recently my 10 year old son seemed to be in both the dreamworld and this one simultaneously. He was very scared. He was describing things to me that he could see, but I couldn't. He also said everything was speeding up. He referred to things in the room that I could see and carried on a proper conversation with me and was obviously awake in this world.

I've not witnessed or experienced anything like that before. And it is because of this thread that I choose to make sense of it like this. That, alone, is fascinating. A few years ago I would have perceived this differently and probably made it irrelevent.

Exciting stuff!
 Quoting: Marshwiggle

Where was he at the time?
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No apologies needed. I agree with you, that's why I feel it's so "(sadly) predictable". I do not see us as the same "person" but I do see her as a (primary) component of myself. If she were to disappear "tomorrow" (which I almost dread noting as I believe this is a logical possibility) I would (predictably) experience it to be a tremendous "loss". She's my "best friend", my "companion" and my "love". She's my "inspiration" and my "challenge". I would "survive", of course, and the voids created by her absence ("sudden" irrelevance) would create vacuums sucking into my experience frame a new representation for perspective to fill the voids.

In short, I imagine an experience like that would leave "me" filled with "regret". I'd most likely (start) by seeking to transition into a perspective where the symbol (I "wish"(fool myself into believing") her to be) is represented and still relative.

(thank you Chaol for humoring me)
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I was hesitant to post about this.

Two days ago (the day of the above post), she nearly choked to death. The Heimlich wouldn't work because (the much too large to swallow chunk of roast beef) hadn't gotten into her windpipe, and was stuck in her esophagus and the pressure kept her from breathing. It was intense, and for a moment (after my attempts to get her to shoot it across the room had failed) I thought I might lose her (thought of Chaol"s question) and yelled for the other people at the restaurant to "CALL 911!" That moment, she stopped trying to breathe she was able to force it up and out. Much later that night, we got back from a club and she was eating her left-overs (a little, drunk) and it happened to her again (and she somehow got it out herself). She didn't even bother to wake me.

She even said "If I died, it'd be better for you". There is much more to the last few days, but it's all a little too personal for the web.

The thing is, after this onslaught of "final destination" style experiences, she seems to have changed her perspective (or at least the way I perceive her has changed). She's (finally) appearing to be interested in hearing my perspective.

Strange that, without overtly creating a "genius map", allowing the ideas to flow here (on this thread) have led me to what looks like something I've longed to experience for quite some time. Time will tell.
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Wow, indeed.

Jesse, I've just gotten home from the ER/ICU after my partner had a very serious health issue/life-death thing come up. Will you please post next about how it all worked out great and you got a check in the mail for a million bucks? ;) I'll keep my eye out for mine, haha!

Thanks everyone here. May 2013 be even more entertaining... Ready for that rom-com where they all live happily ever after. I got a genius on it <3
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Everyone on this thread may have similar experiences.

This is 2013, after all.

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Yep, me too - I had a similar experience, in that I spent a lot of time in an acute ward in hospital with one of my children over xmas / new year.

All is well and all is well and all manner of things are well or something like that ;)
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One night recently my 10 year old son seemed to be in both the dreamworld and this one simultaneously. He was very scared. He was describing things to me that he could see, but I couldn't. He also said everything was speeding up. He referred to things in the room that I could see and carried on a proper conversation with me and was obviously awake in this world.

I've not witnessed or experienced anything like that before. And it is because of this thread that I choose to make sense of it like this. That, alone, is fascinating. A few years ago I would have perceived this differently and probably made it irrelevent.

Exciting stuff!
 Quoting: Marshwiggle

Where was he at the time?
 Quoting: Chaol


In bed
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Everyone on this thread may have similar experiences.

This is 2013, after all.

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Yep, me too - I had a similar experience, in that I spent a lot of time in an acute ward in hospital with one of my children over xmas / new year.

All is well and all is well and all manner of things are well or something like that ;)
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Yes, all is well :)
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This reminds me of us, here :)
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Not-Chaol's Theory of Relativity

No thing (symbol) has any inherent value (absolute value) of it's own, but is assigned it's value(s) through it's relationships with all other symbols.
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Just think of all the things you (can) perceive once we understand how our perspective works.
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Space travel?
 Quoting: Unit3

Is that all you wanted for Christmas?
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Heh! Nope, there's plenty more. In fact, here are some additional ones. What do you think?


Thought: Capture rainwater to water houseplants
Symbol: Toothpick with orange mark
Space: Duck Pond
Interaction: People and animals will step on it, it will be in sunight, moonlight and weather.
Logic: Every Wednesday, when it is cloudy, will put 0 on spreadsheet. When rain gauge has 1" a day for 2 days in a row, will wiggle ears fast, 3X. When rain gauge has 2" in a day, 7 days in a row, will flap arms like wings, 2X, real fast. When rain gauge has 3" in a day for 3 days, will jump up and down fast and then turn a circle to the left once.


Thought: See a news report on new technology @ Louisiana sinkhole
Symbol: Small piece of carpet with duct tape on it
Space: Mom's car
Interaction: Anyone who drives the car will: talk on cell phone, listen to music, operate climate controls, talk to each other, sunlight enters windows and falls on symbol.
Logic: Every Wednesday, when I hear of new innovation at sinkhole, will honk 2X like a goose. Every time I hear of something fixed at sinkhole, will do a wave 4X. When I hear the Louisiana sinkhole is fixed, will do Tarzan yell real loud, 1X.

Thought: See a quiet Yellowstone seismograph chart
Symbol: Small rock with yellow mark
Space: Sidewalk by white dog's yard at the end of fence
Interaction: People will walk by, dog will bark, exposed to weather.
Logic: When see chart has settled down to charts 10 years ago, will do the Macarena dance 1X. When see charts of quieter than 10 years ago, will do 5 jumping jacks. When see reports of new technology for working with volcanoes (maybe to conduct the energy so it's used for positive results) tested at Yellowstone, will talk like Donald Duck for 30 seconds.



Edit: Update: After I posted these Genius plans, I drank a glass of water and put on my shoes and coat to go for a walk. When I opened the front door to go out, it was sprinkling and I had to go get an umbrella. ;o)

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Not-Chaol's Theory of Relativity

No thing (symbol) has any inherent value (absolute value) of it's own, but is assigned it's value(s) through it's relationships with all other symbols.
 Quoting: Not-Chaol 1204937





Thus, resulting in physicality as long as there is interaction.



So, if we are indeed mirrors to one another, let's keep at it. How about this?

Intent+non-value symbols+space+interaction (nonsensical for us since we aren't as connected to subconscious yet)+responding to manifestating of intent=physicality

(Like Chaol says, INTERACTION!)

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So the subconscious is where we really want to go? I just think it's strange that the subconscious is in charge. How and why do we do that?
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Control is irrelevant.

You are your subconscious.

But what you call your subconscious interacts more, so has more of an idea of 'the big picture' (and, thus, knows where you're headed)
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Subconscious interacts more...how very interesting. You've told us many times how important interaction is.

Would you say that those who know how the Genius and Ec works, are more aware of their subconscious then?

And I have a ques. in this thread that goes along with these thoughts, if you have time. Thanks.

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Chaol,

These chemtrails are killing me, never mind the older generations.

Is there an alternative to breathing?

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