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Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

 
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Interaction is consciousness. Interacting with your symbol is how you bring your desire into your reality.

The reason I believe Logic is best kept simple and extrodinarily random is that it helps your genius align to the reality you are trying to create.

All assumptions about time disobey ecsys prime, which states all happens with the least amount of energy.

So my thoughts on how to have successful genius:

A. Create space, possibility, and a strong random Logic tied to some interaction based on your own actions.

B. Interact with symbol as defined by your logic and let symbol interact with other things by its mere existence (need not spend time thinking about the other interactions)

C. Because our perspective changes once we reach a new perspective, it is best to redefine your map by adjusting your symbol because it should have new value to you now.

D. "Seeing the next step when cast before you by your genius" must conform to ecsys prime, so must be what is easiest and uses the least energy. So perhaps coincidences are involved, and we need only create a map, notice a coincidence, and then create a new map once we have changed perspective by moving one step along the path.

if it is so easy why is it a "trick"?

Chaol your thoughts please.
 Quoting: DODEC 20177375

Sounds fairly accurate. A, B, C, and D are fine and workable.

D is a nice way to put it.

Coincidences and serendipitous occurrences are often involved but also often unseen.

It's a trick because we don't really want to know. We prefer to forget because it involves more possibility for drama (thus, deep interaction).
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There seems to be a paradox here for me

it seems that I need to create a new map when I am in a new perspective

And to reach the new perspective I have to see the next step when it is cast before me by my genius

Yet to see the next step I have to forget it/ not see it?

How can I use the least amount of energy and do the easiest thing which is not have any duality (attachment, judgement, expectation, or even value) toward anything and let the step come to me and STILL recognize it consciously to know to make a new symbol.

You thoughts?

Any help in clearing my confusion is appreciated.
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Chaol - I'm wondering about the significance of what we remember in our dreams and what we don't. Can you say anything more about this?

I wake up and for a little while I know everything that happened then it splits into the bits that fade because I don't interpret them (ie 'forget' them) and the bits that come into focus because I do and that becomes 'remembering my dream'. The bits that fade, it's as if a part of me says, it doesn't matter, you don't need to make sense of this.

Hope my question is clear!
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I just busted up laughing, alone in my home, when some thoughts connected into understanding.

I've been reading along and just want to say thanks to every one involved in this thread -- and lurking, too ;)

It's so funny and strange and awesome!

:D
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I just busted up laughing, alone in my home, when some thoughts connected into understanding.

I've been reading along and just want to say thanks to every one involved in this thread -- and lurking, too ;)

It's so funny and strange and awesome!

:D
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I just busted up laughing, alone in my home, when some thoughts connected into understanding.

I've been reading along and just want to say thanks to every one involved in this thread -- and lurking, too ;)

It's so funny and strange and awesome!

:D
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Feeling the same way! ;)
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hey all, we have been interacting for quite a while, but i guess this is my first post.

i´ve been thinking about the use of "advanced genius", and wondering what is a mental symbol (an image in my imagination, a sound, a thought) trying to figure out how the physical genius map "evolved" to something more subtle.
So the last couple of days my thought was on reverse engineering reality so i can perceive my own genius and how it is already building my reality.

funny enough chaol decided to mention exactly that, today in a post, so im coming forward and asking us all, could this be productive, by now many have pratice on creating their own genius maps.
does anyone have thoughts or would like to exemplify pieces of their current reality that they can perceive as created by a similar process to the one we are learning here and how it probably evolved to a mental process.

love you all, be safe chaol!
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Anyone remember this from the neuronics thread? Lol I was even more oblivious back then.
Thank you chaol.

I see a lot of posters as having heavily preconceived (learned, infected, whatever...) notions which do not enmeshen well with what you are teaching. When did all this ascension dimension vibration stuff stop being an analogy and start being taken as realogy?
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Perhaps not much difference between one kind of representation and an other kind.

Here is how I see what you are describing (and I will end with one question)

Maybe the example of a TV set is suitable? One TV, many channels.

I do not see you as telling people how they must interpret what they see on a particular channel (whatever channel they may be on), but rather how to first realize that there are other channels, and how to select them. The easiest way at this stage is to select the next channel up or down (the most logically relative/relevant, or the most energy efficient change), although it is possible to select the exact channel you want, similar to entering say "42" instead of having 30 steps from channel 12, which you may be on currently.

Here's the kicker... on each channel, it is the same actors.
The character in the show is not the actor. Your lamp is not your car, although it may be the same actor playing both parts and therefore you can influence one via the other. Each 'actor' is a relationship within your perception which then reflects into your current rendering of reality. The underlying web of relationships is rendered in many ways... your workplace, your loungeroom, your dream, your family reunion....

YOUR PERCEPTION OF THE WEB OF RELATIONSHIPS WE CALL THE UNIVERSE IS RENDERED AS THE CURRENT MOMENT/SITUATION IN THE EASIEST POSSIBLE FASHION

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Yep. That'd be a fairly accurate analogy.

Ecsys lets you see past the rendering and look at the actual web of relationships, which allows you then to alter the relationships, which then allows you affect ALL OF YOUR SITUATIONS VIA ANY OTHER SITUATION as each situation IS A DIFFERENT RENDERING OF THE SAME TOTAL PERCEPTION-RELATIONSHIP-WEB which is YOU.

(switching to web analogy - spider web, not internet... I think)

 Quoting: hava 1515102


Yep.

We are all different spots on the web, that is why there is both a YOU and not a YOU. You are a viewpoint, not an object. You are an individual viewpoint, not an individual. We are all one web, but different points on it. Sometimes we change the connections to our corner of the web so much that we can't see other parts of the web (WHICH IS WHERE CHAOL COMES FROM) ... Chaol is teaching us how to edit our web so we can connect to the parts that we want to (and add our own sections of web)
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Yes! You got it!

(Although take out parenthesized last phrase.)

to cover the neuronics briefly (this is probably a shallow understanding but may be the intermediate step some need to understand chaol himself) our brains are hardware running language software, eg english.

 Quoting: hava 1515102


A few languages, but English (or whatever natural language comes naturally to you) has great influence over how we use our brains and how we think, what we think about, etc.

English is ok. Not great, it is like our bodies, pretty efficient at a lot of stuff but contains a lot of archaic ideas, hanger-ons from the past. It has evolved to communicate pretty well with other humans. English itself could be said to be intelligent and a lifeform, I think Chaol has already touched on that briefly. Here's the catch: ENGLISH IS NOT THE MOST EFFICIENT BRAIN LANGUAGE. Here's the next catch.. WE SEE AND RELATE TO OUR REALITY IN ENGLISH (of course substitute english for whatever other language you want... and you can also see how a chinese speaker could think COMPLETELY differently from how you do).

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It is good for the job but now that there are things to consider (less relative to what English & c. can describe) we need different ways of conceptualizing it.

To make another analogy, we are highly skilled in painting with only 3 colours. Imagine if we had 100 colours... 1000 colours... 10000 colours...

 Quoting: hava 1515102


More important than the number of colors is how useful each color is.

It could be, for example, that 4 colors is much more useful than 4 billion colors. Especially if those 4 colors can be used in a seemingly endless variety of ways.

Chaol is trying to give us a big box of paints, which will let us paint exponentially better with some practice.
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Or, the "basic elements" from which all other elements arise.

Now to my question, and thanks for your patience if you made it this far Chaol.

When using the genius system and creating a new symbol (or node on the web of relationships) and then letting it interact (build links/relationships into the existing web) I can see what is happening.

Question: How is the temporary symbol swapped for the desired representation? While the temporary symbol is interacting in your world isn't it actually... using up the space of the symbol so to speak? Wouldn't it have to be removed after a while to allow the DESIRED symbol to be rendered in its place?

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They are the same.

Each thing or relationship in our perspective is a temporary symbol. (Temporary because our perspective does not hang on to it.)

I'm having difficulty wording this although I believe you will know what I mean... You create a placeholder/analogous symbol which represents something else and it's relationships in your perception... while ever this placeholder is interacting with your reality doesn't this mean that it is already there? Wouldn't you have to remove/delete the placeholder to allow the desired representation to 'manifest'.

 Quoting: hava 1515102


It is already there because the physical representation of the thing is the symbol itself.

If you represented your own spaceship as 10-layer stack of mango wood, for example, the symbol would be your spaceship.

There would be no need for the spaceship of your fantasy (that you could climb into) to exist because it exists all ready.

The point is to make one symbol relative to an other symbol. (That is why we create symbols.. to form a logical pathway.)

And what point does the 'swap' take place? Or is it not a swap and it

Eg. You want to grow an extra head, so you buy an extra hat for the possible head and then throw it in the air once a day like you would if you were super happy with two heads and hang it on your hat rack with your hat for head number 1.... Is the hat itself the representation or are you ... hang on i think i've answered my own question.

 Quoting: hava 1515102


The hat is the head, as far as it needs to exist (all things considered).

The Law of 5/2 (Energy Perspective) implies that no energy is wasted.

The 'future' spaceship is "contained" in the wooden spaceship.

Some may call it a holographic universe, but it's really just saving energy when there's no need for it to exist in all perspectives as the same thing.

It is ready just when it needs to be.

We create the relationships, and the thing is there. The thing IS the relationships.
 Quoting: hava 1515102


Yes, because one thing must be relative to an other thing in order to exist.

We know each thing from something else.

(The thing is not as real as the relationship, you could say.)

You are building a hole in a wall by shaping the universe around the hole.
 Quoting: hava 1515102


Or, "pretending" that the hole is there everywhere else.

Some would say, acting as if. (Which may also create the necessary field relationships.)

Each thing is a representation/reflection/focus of EVERYTHING else.
 Quoting: hava 1515102


One thing, a seemingly infinite expression when it cannot be contained in any one perception.

It is recursive in this way because there is actually only one thing.

But it needs to be two in order to exist.

One thing cannot exist without being relative to something else.

Which explains how any thing is a view point just like us.

We are each the negative shape of the universe around us.

Which makes us each the universe from a different viewpoint.
 Quoting: hava 1515102


Yep.

We are one, but we are many.

A cup is the universe from one perspective, "I" am the universe from another.
 Quoting: hava 1515102


Again, the planets, Earth, galaxies, neighbors in the universe do not need to exist until you perceive them.

Planets do not exist but in the imagination. When you look at one through a telescope then a new kind of relationship is made. But there is no atmosphere in this perception, and it need not exist until you go there and interact with it.

The Law of Energy Perspective is symbol (5) without possibility (2) which comes alive only through interaction (3).

Without interaction with the representation, it exists only as a possibility (i.e., does not exist).

By looking at a situation or object or WHATEVER I am looking at the universe pressing in on all sides, with the most relevant things the closest. Distance is not distance... it is a measure of how related something is to a viewpoint... time is the measure of change of a viewpoint or idea... a car doesn't move you anywhere, it changes your point of view (intersection of relationships) relative to all other points of view at a controlled speed... the further you travel the more you have changed your perception... WHICH MEANS YOU CAN NEVER REALLY GET BACK TO WHERE YOU STARTED...EVEN WHEN YOU GO TO THE SHOP...HAHA
 Quoting: hava 1515102


You got it! I'm impressed :)

Oh oh... even sitting on a lounge chair you are 'travelling'!
 Quoting: hava 1515102


Yes. And that is what Einstein had been working on for many years.

Perhaps one day we'll find the scribbles.

My brain is melting.

Thank you.

Oh, and how do I decide how to map something like a cat into Ecsys? Are their no right or wrong answers? I would say a cat is ... -L-I. I can't understand it's logic and I don't interact with it much. Different viewpoints. Which is why I guess I see it as a cat and not as a human.

Is the game and software still coming along? I would love to help.
 Quoting: hava 1515102


In Ec, there is no right or wrong. There is only perspective.

If you think cats are evil then you'd map it out as such.

You can say "cat" in English but does the person to whom you are speaking really know how you feel?

When you exercise the expression in Ec the person may know that you're talking about something 'feline' and 'evil' for example. They'd usually use their own perspective about what it is.

That's the beauty of Ec. By communicating in it you form a tremendous amount of relationships and, thus, more things become relative. (Thus, expansion of what you'd call intelligence and lots of other fun stuff.)

However, it may be hard to conceptualize how a word in Ec can have both standard definitions and a more nebulous definition.

But actually, in English you do it all the time in a somewhat different way. (Ever pick up on social queues? Maybe a friend's "yes" has a deeper meaning, for example.)

Hope this helps :)
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hey all, we have been interacting for quite a while, but i guess this is my first post.

i´ve been thinking about the use of "advanced genius", and wondering what is a mental symbol (an image in my imagination, a sound, a thought) trying to figure out how the physical genius map "evolved" to something more subtle.
So the last couple of days my thought was on reverse engineering reality so i can perceive my own genius and how it is already building my reality.

funny enough chaol decided to mention exactly that, today in a post, so im coming forward and asking us all, could this be productive, by now many have pratice on creating their own genius maps.
does anyone have thoughts or would like to exemplify pieces of their current reality that they can perceive as created by a similar process to the one we are learning here and how it probably evolved to a mental process.

love you all, be safe chaol!
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Another lurker here just wanting to express my gratitude to all of you for the thought provoking conversations. Thanks Chaol for everything. Safe travels.
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I just busted up laughing, alone in my home, when some thoughts connected into understanding.

I've been reading along and just want to say thanks to every one involved in this thread -- and lurking, too ;)

It's so funny and strange and awesome!

:D
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I'm back from running errands and I laughed the whole time I was gone, while I reflected on this.

I remember looking at the clock at 8:37 AM this morning and thinking if I ate and got dressed pretty fast, I could get my errands out of the way before traffic gets bad and be back here. I thought I could be gone by 9:15 and back by 10:30!

The next thing I knew, it was 3:14 PM, no breakfast, no lunch and I needed to stretch, LOL! I did run to the kitchen once and get sunflower seeds. The day is a total blur, LOL!

What also tickled me while I was thinking about this, is at one point, I thought, I'm gonna see what Chaol's got, so I was going just as fast as I could to see if he could keep up. (You know how he talks about instant manifestation.)

Well, I realized.....what makes me think keeping up with me is such a good test? I crack myself up. But boy, it was fun. I think we pounded out 3 pages pretty fast. (Maybe more)

I'll have to go back and read because I think I missed a point or two. I also decided to get as much information out of Chaol as I could, heh!

And Jesse really cracked me up because he posted right in the middle of the whole thing. I wondered if he felt he was in the middle of a whirlwind, LOL!

Glad to hear how it affected you! ;o)


Edit: OMG, we did 6, count them, SIX, pages today!!!!!!!

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Another lurker here just wanting to express my gratitude to all of you for the thought provoking conversations. Thanks Chaol for everything. Safe travels.
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Glad to hear from you. hf
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I just busted up laughing, alone in my home, when some thoughts connected into understanding.

I've been reading along and just want to say thanks to every one involved in this thread -- and lurking, too ;)

It's so funny and strange and awesome!

:D
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Feeling the same way! ;)
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Heh! Tuuuuuur with your sensitivity, esp. lately, was it a hair-raising experience? J/K

Glad to know you were here. ;o)
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Jesse, that was a cool post you drug over. Thanks.

The poster had a good grasp of this information and I like to read a lot of viewpoints. I figure the more ways I can look at it, the better I understand it.
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Chaol,

How do you feel about daoism? Are you familliar with any of the concepts relating to it? I feel that eastern philosophy has a lot in common with the things you say and thought it would be interesting to get your take on it.
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From this, the world will find out that the anti-establishment and the establishment are one and the same. The virus and the antidote to divide and conquer.*

When we find out where he is born, to whom, why he is in Hawaii (and what is in Hawaii; and what a car accident has to do with his personality), Indonesia with Sukarno, and several other countries (and why his mother is living in several countries, why she is married to a general in Suharto's army, what languages she speaks and why, whom she works for, and why), who supports him financially as he is growing up, and why, and what he is doing now, and why.

To promote one entertaining story to obscure an other, far more interesting, one is the name of the game. There are no grand conspiracies other than the nature of physicality to hide something that cannot be physically-represented. But the thought of a human conspiracy certainly keeps one from thinking about the nature of reality.

The actors and the stage begin to be revealed in their entirety in this unveiling. A story thousands of years in the making (and telling), encompassing pretty much everything you can read (or can't) in your history books.

What is your world composed of when what you knew so well becomes a mystery?

Truth is, indeed, stranger than fiction.

Then you see what you have been doing all along, and the reality that you create for yourself.

Everything exists now. (There is no past, present, or future, that you can experience save for your perspective.)

Obviously, what you perceive is illusion.

This illusion has a narrative.

In 2012, you see the narrative for what it is.

And this particular illusion breaks down.

The end of the world, indeed. (The end of this particular physical illusion, and the start of an other.)


*As I previously mentioned, this division is what creates physicality. The tension between 'good' and 'evil' is as old as time because it is what creates time.
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I thought authoring our perspective is what creates physicality and thus time.?????
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2012 is when the lights come on, and the actors begin to be exposed for what they are.

It starts with [...snips]
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The weakest link in the chain is also one of the biggest .

What better way to bring the whole thing down?

Some of us, of course, like it just the way it is.
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Chaol,

Will you still be discussing the Genius and Ecsys or will you be focusing on Bari?
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Never has the 'big picture' not been discussed, except in response to an other's query.

If it is thought that there is focus on some other detail that is not entirely significant, perhaps the point is missed.

This "missing the mark" is important enough to warrant an entire catalogue in the realm of the psyche with the classical definition of "sin".

Someone of us unfortunately will, indeed, find ourselves in a type of "hell" for missing the point regardless of how important we think these unimportant (that is to say, lacking significant interaction with other things) details are.

I'm reminded of how much energy is wasted (perhaps billions, in terms of your hours) thinking about "republican" or "democrat" when in the big picture, if there ever was one, such distinctions are not only irrelevant they do not exist.

We are certainly welcome to waste this energy but it does not mean that we will experience something different from what our previous wastefulness has resulted in, for lack of better terms.

However, here it is amusing that some of us are uncomfortable without more detail in these posts while some others are uncomfortable with more detail.

(Surely, though, we do not know what lay beyond the borders of our experience. Do you think it is something we expect or something entirely unexpected? If unexpected, would we be willing to accept it or even be willing to incorporate it within our current experience? I haven't even begun to say anything about what fantastic things lay just beyond the ~current perspective because, really, it would be unacceptable to most. Many of us fluctuate between discreet feelings of fear and curiosity. How many of us are willing to give up what we seemingly have spent so much time in building? Very few. And that is why you find yourselves here, at what is essentially the end of the road before your previous steps vanish into nothingness, talking to me in hopes that you can continue walking along the same path. I'm relaying to you the 'fact' that the rhythm of the footsteps you're making will not carry over into what your reality is becoming. The mechanisms by which you think and do is what is imperative here when many of us are, instead, focused on the mark of the footsteps and what kind of shoes we're wearing, and how the knot is tied.)

There is little hope that anything significant will be done in the way of altering one's current path of experience while suffering the effects of a passive lethargy.

Whether we do or do not do, we will always be occupied with something. (It is the nature of reality.) But that does not make it relevant or meaningful.

We can spend our lives massaging the legs of members of our local ant colony and make a life of it, with drive and purpose that we ourselves invent, and argue with others about the finer points of lavender oil as compared with burgundy when applied to the exoskeleton if we so wanted.

But it does not mean that our actions and thoughts will be much-related to much else, or interact with the depth of our perspective.

Basically, I am saying that 99% of your thoughts are irrelevant to the expanded perspective. They are 99% relevant to a very, very small sliver of a perspective that has very little interaction with deeper perspectives. Apologies for being blunt (perhaps still confusing to some of us) but it is what is needed at this point.

(How many of us would drift off into tangents at this point is both expected and predictable. It is entirely what I am conveying here.)

It is only when we see what we haven't seen that our perspective is changed.
 Quoting: Chaol




Massive post. Thanks.


I don't understand how you can make something relevant to your perspective if you haven't seen it before. You'd have to know about it first.
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Chaol,

What should be the nature of our thoughts and actions that would make them most relative to what is relevant?

How does one choose/calculate/find the correct geometry between relationships and create it?
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Hi.

I do not know what they should be. And what is relevant really depends on you.

But what would probably make a thoughts or actions more relative to an expanded perspective is if it was not dependent specifically on itself.

For example, the thought of "I am a marine biologist" is dependent on your thoughts about marine biology and your relation to it.

If you did not consider yourself a marine biologist then, most likely, you would not say or think such a thing.

(Of course. But that's the idea.)

When your perspective is more expanded then you care less about being "a marine biologist". It is only important to you when you import the concept into your experience. i.e., when you explore the life of a marine biologist.

Ask yourself what representations matter to you most in your life? What do you consider yourself? What do you think about? What labels do you find yourself thinking about.

And then you will see that the representations (which are illusions of something else) influence your experience and limit your perspective.

(It's a matter of how much your perspective interacts with other things. Your perspective will always be limited somehow.)

So in order to expand your perspective through thinking, get rid of your thoughts, rely on them less, and make them interact with what no longer matters to you.

Become what you do not care to become. (As you care about what is most relative to you, which actually binds you to the current perspective.)
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Wow! Thought I'd re-post this. Seems there have been some new folks lately and I find this very helpful.
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It is only when we see what we haven't seen that our perspective is changed.
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Yes but, How can we see what cannot be seen?
For example, your world.
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I don't think its that it can't be seen but that it hasn't been. Nothing "cannot" because everything already is. You'd have to change the geometry of the relationships to make the unseen relative and logical to see. But how do you do that?
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As above, do, think, and feel what you (think you) are not interested in doing, thinking, and feeling.
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Just driving this home!

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Chaol,

Thanks again for all the guidance.

Would I be correct in interpretting this to mean that one should expand (or better yet remove) the way in which one defines themself? These definitions are self imposed limitations.
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Yes.

It's could be quite obvious when you think about it.

But your "mind" doesn't want to think about it.

Because that would mean the end of itself. And what self-preserving mechanisms would allow that to happen?

Better to not think that the solution is simple, it thinks. Busy itself with unimportant details, it does, in order to keep the appearance of progression towards the goal of "change".

This is the same mind that would, for example, create complicated obstacles to obfuscate a clear path towards a condition where that particular thinking is no longer required or relevant.

Basically, self-sabotage of meaningful progress and replacing it with the appearance of progress by attaching value to things that don't really deserve it.

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Wowsa!!!!!!!!
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Chaol, can I ask you why you have 'disappeared'?
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All is as I, and Chaol 3, have mentioned.

Only a part of me is 'back' to post on this thread. (Other parts are posting on other threads that you cannot see or access, but that's an other story.)

You do the same thing when you dream. A part of you here, a part of you there. All doing something that has an effect on something else.

Before I walked among you. Lived as you did. Went to cafes and performances.

That was a few months ago.

Right now my 'existence' is on this thread. There is no need for me to exist in physical form in the world that this thread exists in.

Quite difficult to explain, and a load of crap for most of you, but it is what it is.

You're getting fragments of me, so to speak. Kind of like a ghost.

I am not really "back" but I am still posting because that is how I have set it up. Sometimes it is more difficult to see what I post than at other times depending on your perspective. (Again, difficult to explain in these words but with each thing there is a narrative. It doesn't matter what the narrative is, only that it bridges 'two' somewhat distant concepts. And sometimes that narrative is hard to believe or relate to. And so here we are.)
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Good gosh!!!!!
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Chaol,

Thanks for your detailed and mind blowing explanation to my previous question! Your explanation reality is sounding more and more like a computer algorithm.

I am a professional animator and am well versed in 3d rendering techniques. There is a technique that the Renderman renderer uses called REYES. This stands for Render Everything You Ever Saw and is very efficient because it only calculates lighting/shading for pixels that are seen on screen and none that are obscured/out of view. No wasted CPU cycles on thing that are never seen. Very much like the Ecsys model of reality of you have described :)

The energy conservation model of perspective is similar to an mpeg video codec, in that it only stores the changes between frames in an attempt to miminise memory usage. This seems similar to perspective only changing as much as is necessary between the frames of our existence in order to conserve energy. Hmmm I wonder how many frames per second there are to reality, or rather how many changes of perspective there are per second?

It adds credence to the saying "If a tree falls in a forest and nobody is there to hear it, does it make a sound?" This could be extended to "If a tree falls in a forest and nobody saw/heard/smelt/tasted or felt it, did it exist...most likely not, as it would be a waste of energy!"

And now for a practical question:

When making a genius model, what is the best way to imprint the intention? Should I be thinking of it as I make it, or before it? Does it need to be written or spoken before or after the making, or does the genius know this already? Do the space/possibility elements have to be planned beforehand or can they be made up as you go along?

cheers!
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Oh!!! Thanks for re-posting the lectures on thinking about things that you've never before considered in order to change your perspective.

And, thus, the gift of the symbol, Sekhmet. Interacting with this symbol has taken me into realms I had never before considered. I have gained TONS of meaningful insight. I have experienced her toroidal movement, which I now "see" as being the center of a hypersphere, where an infinity of worlds intersect. This why Sekhmet represents a portal. This is why she is a bridge.
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Oh!!! Thanks for re-posting the lectures on thinking about things that you've never before considered in order to change your perspective.

And, thus, the gift of the symbol, Sekhmet. Interacting with this symbol has taken me into realms I had never before considered. I have gained TONS of meaningful insight. I have experienced her toroidal movement, which I now "see" as being the center of a hypersphere, where an infinity of worlds intersect. This why Sekhmet represents a portal. This is why she is a bridge.
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I enjoyed this post. Thanks.
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From Chaol's website:

[link to ecsys.org]


"At the dawn of the universe we existed without physical form. We lived exclusively in a dream-like state, free of physical constraints. Every thought became real, instantly. There were no limitations on what we could do."


I've asked him about where our physicality is going in regards to this statement. But, I didn't ask him is this where the merging of the 2 worlds is going. Does anyone know?

I have asked him how he thinks the merging of the 2 will impact each other and he indicated he was watching to see. Anyway, before I found these threads, the above is where I thought all worlds were headed.

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Okay, I've been reading the return of the gods thread some more. I see that many are looking forward to more material on Logos.

Additionally, others are asking for a comparison of these teachings with Chaol's teachings.

Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe": July 18, 2012 - The Return of the Gods (Page 16)

Why is it this is happening either when Chaol is gone, (I saw a post where this was asked in the gods thread), or when Chaol is getting ready to leave as he is now?

Another question I have is, why is the poster unable to start a thread? I have my ideas but for now, I'll keep this to myself.

I'm new to the material, in both cases, and haven't finished studying any of the threads. I don't want to be left in confusion so I would rather all of this gets discussed now, while Chaol is here.

Thanks
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btw, the refresh rate for this world is rumored to be a multiple of quadrillionths per second. The apparent continuity between frames gives us our sense of time. However, as the speed of our perception increases, we become more aware of the transition of frame-to-frame, thereby giving us a sensation of time slowing down.

IMHO, that is.
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btw, the refresh rate for this world is rumored to be a multiple of quadrillionths per second. The apparent continuity between frames gives us our sense of time. However, as the speed of our perception increases, we become more aware of the transition of frame-to-frame, thereby giving us a sensation of time slowing down.

IMHO, that is.
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Interesting!
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My thanks to the animator who posted. It is IRL examples like yours that get me looking more closely at my world. There are useful metaphors all around us.
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Update on my "realizing there is no subconscious" Genius.

I went on my walk with my symbol, found here:
[link to perceptionmap.blogspot.com]

I put it in a plastic bag and walked to the target space. Before getting to the driveway where I intended to leave it, I realized I had pulled it out of the plastic bag so it had to go in a "space" right then. Fortunately, I was in the yard by the house and by the fence where the white dog lives. I threw it against that fence, the dog barked and I kept walking.

I then went through mental anguish: was the symbol any good since it was in a plastic bag instead of concealed in my hand, where did I throw it exactly and was this still a viable symbol?

I took a breath (because it's in my logic and desired intention)to see if I noticed a difference. I began noticing all kinds of things that could be used for symbols if creating a genius on the fly. I considered this a change in perception. (Not the ones I'm looking for but still a representation of it)

As I walked, I ran onto a bunch of small, colored balls....maybe fertilizer run-off from a yard. I grabbed a bunch of them and stuck my hand in my pocket where I realized I had stuck the plastic bag.

I stuck the balls in the bag and walked by another house that has a lot of "traffic" in the yard, and dropped the baggie by their basketball post. And I took a breath.

I didn't really notice anything with that breath but kept walking. By the time I was almost home though, I realized that I already think of things (at least once in a while) as representing multiple things.

This is a shift in how I do the Genius now. I look for instant results of some kind and if I feel I have a representation, it's time for another symbol/space.

So, now I'm thinking on what to do next in regards to this desired perception.

Anyway, are there any comments? I'd like to know if I'm missing something.

Thanks


Edit: Forgot to mention that where I threw the symbol was almost at the same spot as one of the spaces I considered putting it anyway. The funny thing is, it's at the other end of the fence where the dog is rather than the end I considered. Very interesting I'd say. I hope it means I'm a little better in the flow with this and also my subconscious was helping me to put the symbol in the best spot anyway.

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