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Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

 
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Greetings!

Interesting questions. But perhaps none of the following responses will be a surprise to many.

I've been trying to figure out if the parallel universe real and if ghosts, demons, angels, whatever come from the parallel universe into this one, then what is their parallel universe like?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 851053


Which "parallel universes" do you think already exist? Look into those. Consider the nature of light, sound, and other energies, and whether or not you experience saidwith objectively.

Now look at your hand. What similar qualities could it possibly have with what you consider "ghosts"?

Imagine that a young boy has just watched a frightening movie and is preparing for bed. The energetic environment is completely different from the night previous, as his 'internal' environment has changed and, thus, his 'external' experience. There's little real difference between the two. (Only what could be thought of as a perceptual delay. Each experience is equally valid, however long the experience lasts.) He may well perceive ghosts, although these forms are projections of his mind.

It does not mean that the 'malacious' energies are actually there. The mind is not a transparent window into veridical reality, as such does not exist.

A ghost exists no more in your reality than the chair in which you sit. The only difference is that the chair is more relative to the other things that seem to exist, forming a coherent and stable landscape.

When "ghosts" become more relative to your total environment, then it will be more experienced.

We know that spirits move through material objects
they hover they stay for brief minutes of time and not permanently ghostly phenomena is connected to electrical storms. Are the wave lengths in their world different than in ours?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 851053


What you consider ghosts are just as physical as you are.

Wave lengths of anything you perceive is quite relative to those you yourself use.

Can they defy gravity?
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Nothing that can be perceived can 'defy' what the nature of what we call gravity is. Think of gravity as consciousness. For illustrative purposes only, when two magnets are attracting one-another they are creating more consciousness.

With 'gravity' there is attraction and repulsion, which is simply varying degrees of relativity.

So no, what you call ghosts cannot defy gravity. That is to say, ghosts cannot defy the nature of attraction and repulsion. Without it, there is no consciousness.

What is gravity like in their world? if their world exists within our world
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Exactly the same as 'here'. Although the variables seem to be different.

Gravity in the classical definition is not a constant. It could be said that there is a constant of proportionality for attraction/repulsion, however.

What type of energy exists in their world?
How do they see us? as spirits?
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Something relative to their experience.

Just as we may perceive some consciousness to be clouds or some kinds of humans to be aliens.

We present a reality to ourselves in a way that fits within the totality of our experience.

As previously mentioned, if you could time-traveled back to when you were 6 years old you would appear as a very different form (perhaps alien-like).

When we perceive other energies (people, objects, light, etc) we are not only perceiving the surface but calculating within their being.

This calculation is what makes the perception.

Imagine the following simple (incomplete) equation: 1+1=

You automatically know the answer without thinking about it. Some of you may even 'see' the number 2 there without my having put it there. In a way, this '2' (or sum) is what you see when you perceive of anything.

You perceive a composite of calculation so vast and simultaneous with your experience that you don't realize the nearly-impossible task being performed within every moment.

You mistake the equation for the reality.

So would anything that perceives of you.

So what frequency would we need to be on to enter their world? or to see their world? or to make them visible to us?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 851053


The one you're in now.

They are already.

Do you hear the sound of the clock ticking? It also exists as part of an other equation that is de-angled from you.

We look at our reality and think of it as inherently ours, when most of it we do not see.

We look at our bodies and think of it as human, when most of it is not.

Study your own "spirits" to get to the worlds that you seek. Easier than it sounds.
 Quoting: Chaol 1117976




Thought this was interesting on gravity. I have been wondering about it, myself.

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From this, the world will find out that the anti-establishment and the establishment are one and the same. The virus and the antidote to divide and conquer.*

When we find out where he is born, to whom, why he is in Hawaii (and what is in Hawaii; and what a car accident has to do with his personality), Indonesia with Sukarno, and several other countries (and why his mother is living in several countries, why she is married to a general in Suharto's army, what languages she speaks and why, whom she works for, and why), who supports him financially as he is growing up, and why, and what he is doing now, and why.

To promote one entertaining story to obscure an other, far more interesting, one is the name of the game. There are no grand conspiracies other than the nature of physicality to hide something that cannot be physically-represented. But the thought of a human conspiracy certainly keeps one from thinking about the nature of reality.

The actors and the stage begin to be revealed in their entirety in this unveiling. A story thousands of years in the making (and telling), encompassing pretty much everything you can read (or can't) in your history books.

What is your world composed of when what you knew so well becomes a mystery?

Truth is, indeed, stranger than fiction.

Then you see what you have been doing all along, and the reality that you create for yourself.

Everything exists now. (There is no past, present, or future, that you can experience save for your perspective.)

Obviously, what you perceive is illusion.

This illusion has a narrative.

In 2012, you see the narrative for what it is.

And this particular illusion breaks down.

The end of the world, indeed. (The end of this particular physical illusion, and the start of an other.)


*As I previously mentioned, this division is what creates physicality. The tension between 'good' and 'evil' is as old as time because it is what creates time.
 Quoting: Chaol




I can't believe after all I've learned from Chaol, I'd still be interested in learning the truth of the story referred to up above. Still want to obscure the real, true story I guess.

If it's taken 1,000's of years in the making and telling, how is there is no past/present/future? I"m sure this falls in line with the comment that the pyramids are being built now.

Interesting to contemplate, hard to understand, atm.

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At this point the only significant question to ask is, "What am I doing now that is entirely different from before?".

If you're not doing it then you're asking for pretty much the same perspective as before.

At this point, Ecsys will not save you.

The Genius will not save you.


Whatever New Age whiz-bang fad is popular this month will not save you.

Your momma or yoga master will not save you.

Only your willingness to (truly) change your perspective will.

Not tomorrow. Not when such-and-such happens.

Now.

"Save me from what?", it might be asked.

The inevitable.

You are nearing the end of physical perspective. (Or, it should be said, the brand of physicality you've gotten used to all these years.)

It is time either for an entirely new perspective, or time to perish as things tend to when they've reached the fringes of relevance.

I'm not talking about death and destruction (though every concept needs a logical narrative leading to it from your perspective, doesn't it?). I'm talking more about when the floor collapses beneath your feet, where will you stand?

Which side of the equation do you choose?

The choice is yours.

If you haven't seriously considered the question in the first sentence above, I suppose you've already decided.

There's not really anything more for me to say other than what I've already wrote here and in countless other posts.

Choose to be someone else that you can logically be right now, or forever be an energy stuck in the current loop.

It's not about them or that. It's about You.
 Quoting: Chaol




Hadn't seen this before (bold statements above) and it makes a huge point. I didn't know this. ;o(


Glad I do now. :o)
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I don't mean to take over this thread, but I'm pretty sure -- and Chaol should correct me if I am wrong -- that you can map for yourself a gentle awakening. Instead of the "crash" that is being predicted for some, simply map waking up on an easy, sunny morning with a wonderful day ahead of you. Something like that.
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:)
 Quoting: Chaol





This is what I'd like to do.
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From this, the world will find out that the anti-establishment and the establishment are one and the same. The virus and the antidote to divide and conquer.*

When we find out where he is born, to whom, why he is in Hawaii (and what is in Hawaii; and what a car accident has to do with his personality), Indonesia with Sukarno, and several other countries (and why his mother is living in several countries, why she is married to a general in Suharto's army, what languages she speaks and why, whom she works for, and why), who supports him financially as he is growing up, and why, and what he is doing now, and why.

To promote one entertaining story to obscure an other, far more interesting, one is the name of the game. There are no grand conspiracies other than the nature of physicality to hide something that cannot be physically-represented. But the thought of a human conspiracy certainly keeps one from thinking about the nature of reality.

The actors and the stage begin to be revealed in their entirety in this unveiling. A story thousands of years in the making (and telling), encompassing pretty much everything you can read (or can't) in your history books.

What is your world composed of when what you knew so well becomes a mystery?

Truth is, indeed, stranger than fiction.

Then you see what you have been doing all along, and the reality that you create for yourself.

Everything exists now. (There is no past, present, or future, that you can experience save for your perspective.)

Obviously, what you perceive is illusion.

This illusion has a narrative.

In 2012, you see the narrative for what it is.

And this particular illusion breaks down.

The end of the world, indeed. (The end of this particular physical illusion, and the start of an other.)


*As I previously mentioned, this division is what creates physicality. The tension between 'good' and 'evil' is as old as time because it is what creates time.
 Quoting: Chaol




I can't believe after all I've learned from Chaol, I'd still be interested in learning the truth of the story referred to up above. Still want to obscure the real, true story I guess.

If it's taken 1,000's of years in the making and telling, how is there is no past/present/future? I"m sure this falls in line with the comment that the pyramids are being built now.

Interesting to contemplate, hard to understand, atm.
 Quoting: Unit3


The "old" play is over with. The credits are rolling, but there are still a few actors emoting in an exaggerated way, tryng to keep the attention of the audience. It is only an echo of what is past.

We will eventually know the whole story of the old reality. The NOW cannot be defined, because there is no NOW.

It all comes out in the wash.
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At this point the only significant question to ask is, "What am I doing now that is entirely different from before?".

If you're not doing it then you're asking for pretty much the same perspective as before.

At this point, Ecsys will not save you.

The Genius will not save you.


Whatever New Age whiz-bang fad is popular this month will not save you.

Your momma or yoga master will not save you.

Only your willingness to (truly) change your perspective will.

Not tomorrow. Not when such-and-such happens.

Now.

"Save me from what?", it might be asked.

The inevitable.

You are nearing the end of physical perspective. (Or, it should be said, the brand of physicality you've gotten used to all these years.)

It is time either for an entirely new perspective, or time to perish as things tend to when they've reached the fringes of relevance.

I'm not talking about death and destruction (though every concept needs a logical narrative leading to it from your perspective, doesn't it?). I'm talking more about when the floor collapses beneath your feet, where will you stand?

Which side of the equation do you choose?

The choice is yours.

If you haven't seriously considered the question in the first sentence above, I suppose you've already decided.

There's not really anything more for me to say other than what I've already wrote here and in countless other posts.

Choose to be someone else that you can logically be right now, or forever be an energy stuck in the current loop.

It's not about them or that. It's about You.
 Quoting: Chaol


It is the word "logically" - as in "what you can logicaly become next" - that trips me up here.

My logic is definitely, without a doubt, changing. For me, it is more a matter of seeing what happens next and then taking it from there. I look for the benefits of every little difference and celebrate it in that it appears that I seem to be moving...somewhere.


Hadn't seen this before (bold statements above) and it makes a huge point. I didn't know this. ;o(


Glad I do now. :o)
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Whoops. I missed the end quote in the above reply.
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Am I dreaming?
What is the significance of now posting from the US? I only noticed a day or so ago but it's been going on since the 10th! I thought I lived in the UK. Maybe I don't.
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/snipples/

From this, the world will find out that the anti-establishment and the establishment are one and the same. The virus and the antidote to divide and conquer.*

When we find out where he is born, to whom, why he is in Hawaii (and what is in Hawaii; and what a car accident has to do with his personality), Indonesia with Sukarno, and several other countries (and why his mother is living in several countries, why she is married to a general in Suharto's army, what languages she speaks and why, whom she works for, and why), who supports him financially as he is growing up, and why, and what he is doing now, and why.

To promote one entertaining story to obscure an other, far more interesting, one is the name of the game. There are no grand conspiracies other than the nature of physicality to hide something that cannot be physically-represented. But the thought of a human conspiracy certainly keeps one from thinking about the nature of reality.

The actors and the stage begin to be revealed in their entirety in this unveiling. A story thousands of years in the making (and telling), encompassing pretty much everything you can read (or can't) in your history books.

What is your world composed of when what you knew so well becomes a mystery?

Truth is, indeed, stranger than fiction.

Then you see what you have been doing all along, and the reality that you create for yourself.

Everything exists now. (There is no past, present, or future, that you can experience save for your perspective.)

Obviously, what you perceive is illusion.

This illusion has a narrative.

In 2012, you see the narrative for what it is.

And this particular illusion breaks down.

The end of the world, indeed. (The end of this particular physical illusion, and the start of an other.)


*As I previously mentioned, this division is what creates physicality. The tension between 'good' and 'evil' is as old as time because it is what creates time.
 Quoting: Chaol




I can't believe after all I've learned from Chaol, I'd still be interested in learning the truth of the story referred to up above. Still want to obscure the real, true story I guess.

If it's taken 1,000's of years in the making and telling, how is there is no past/present/future? I"m sure this falls in line with the comment that the pyramids are being built now.

Interesting to contemplate, hard to understand, atm.
 Quoting: Unit3


The "old" play is over with. The credits are rolling, but there are still a few actors emoting in an exaggerated way, tryng to keep the attention of the audience. It is only an echo of what is past.

We will eventually know the whole story of the old reality. The NOW cannot be defined, because there is no NOW.

It all comes out in the wash.
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I didn't know this. I thought once we crossed the bridge, it wouldn't even be remembered. In my dream time, I don't think about this world at all. Thanks.

Interesting there is no NOW. It seems to me there is only NOW. But, to define it, I am having problems. Thanks.
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Am I dreaming?
What is the significance of now posting from the US? I only noticed a day or so ago but it's been going on since the 10th! I thought I lived in the UK. Maybe I don't.
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Hi Marshwiggle, noticed this last week and could have sworn you were from UK! Computer glitches eh? Hmmm lol actually thought maybe you changed it yourself (for whatever reason) but it seems I was wrong :)
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Am I dreaming?
What is the significance of now posting from the US? I only noticed a day or so ago but it's been going on since the 10th! I thought I lived in the UK. Maybe I don't.
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I'm dreaming with you. I just sent you an email, only to find us posting within minutes of each other here in the threads. Heh!
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Chaol, before you go, would you instruct us in determining nexus points? I know you said there will be a lot of them, but anyway, what's our strategy to determine when one will be available?

Thanks

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Chaol, before you go, would you instruct us in determining nexus points? I know you said there will be a lot of them, but anyway, what's our strategy to determine when one will be available?

Thanks
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It's easier to make than determine ;)

A calculation in Ec will do it, but this is a bit more advanced.

It's something that we may cover later.
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Take care, everyone!

As all ways... see you on the other side :)

I will respond to all questions after my return.
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Take care, everyone!

As all ways... see you on the other side :)

I will respond to all questions after my return.
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Safe travels!
Nothing is irrelevant.
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Take care, everyone!

As all ways... see you on the other side :)

I will respond to all questions after my return.
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Adios amigo.
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Take care, everyone!

As all ways... see you on the other side :)

I will respond to all questions after my return.
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Thanks for everything, Chaol. You will be missed.

hf
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For expanded fun look into the "god" helmet ,the silent self of the right hemisphere, and the right amygdala.

Should add a couple more pieces to the puzzle.
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just explore this whole site

[link to www.shaktitechnology.com]
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Did anybody notice how many news reports happened today...the day of Chaol's departure? Think there is a correlation?

I think it all had to do with the nexus.

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Dream Event

Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe": Meeting in the new Dream reality (Page 51)
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shifting relativity of variables in our field of existence.

Hi Choal,

Is it possible to control the variables using the ecsys model?
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Greetings!

It's possible to control the variables using many other models, too. However, it's more of a change of our own personal logic than "control".

To affect change, the tools we use need to be logical to our experience. (In fact, we develop and use the tools in order that our own logic may be illustrated.)

For example, ancient humans may have seen a stone wall and danced around it in order to bring it down. Depending upon their particular group-logic, some methods would have worked while others didn't.

Someone noticed that throwing a rock at it chips the stone away. (Or noticed that throwing leaves don't do much at all.) Each trial further evolves their logical narrative. They don't need to know how something works, just that it works.

(It works because of abstract reasons rather than physical ones, but that's an other post entirely.)

When we are children we see adults do things that make sense (as we see how it's done). This way, we don't have to spend so much time developing the logic for our experience.

An athlete may suddenly break a new record. Other athletes see this and extend their own logic. Suddenly, many other athletes are able to do the same thing that was previously not a part of the logic-field.

We can use English to "control" others to knock down the wall on a construction site but talking to the wall directly doesn't seem to work. That isn't to say that it could never work, just that the experience is a part of our logical landscape yet. (But if someone, somehow, manages to do just that, our logical landscape will change because of it. Then it will be closer to our own experience.)

For example, we could easily develop telepathic communication by starting from the kind of telepathic communication that works now, such as the sense of knowing when someone is looking at you. So, rather than first trying to do something that isn't close to our experience we do something that is, in order that we can evolve telepathic communication with words later. (Same as how the ancient humans, in the example above, knew that rocks were more logical at changing the state of the wall than were leaves.)

The Ecsys model is one such thing that makes certain kinds of experiences more relative to you (via extended logic) than others.

Other models are all around you, but they may not be effective for the kinds of things that we're talking about.

For example, we could possibly get to a distant planet in a rocket ship but it would be so inefficient as to be not worth the effort. It may be more effective to use other tools more logical to the desired experience to accomplish the task.

Ecsys is one such tool out of many that are developed in future.

Thanks!
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Since we were recently talking about telepathic communication here, I thought I'd post this.
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Take care, everyone!

As all ways... see you on the other side :)

I will respond to all questions after my return.
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See you on the other side!

I made a post in the dream world meeting thread, it should help others connect.

Hopefully we can have the biggest party yet!

To everyone reading this, get involved, all Chaol has ever asked for was doubt and an open mind in order to show you how to do what you may have forgotten.

Once you remember, you will see him as a friend, well, at least I do personally.


I was a non believer in anything, in fact when I was 10 or so, I used to have panick attacks before I slept thinking this experience was it lol. I genuinely believed there wasn't anything after.

Sorry to be bold and to the point, but ignorance only exists as long as people let it.

There are many many worlds out there, and you are able to perceive them and do more things than you can do here.

Chaol describes how to start to explore the above in the safest way possible, guaranteed no harm will come to you if you follow his methods.

Its a loooong journey, but stick with it. It gets fun eventually and you become excited for every single day.

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Am I dreaming?
What is the significance of now posting from the US? I only noticed a day or so ago but it's been going on since the 10th! I thought I lived in the UK. Maybe I don't.
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Hi Marshwiggle, noticed this last week and could have sworn you were from UK! Computer glitches eh? Hmmm lol actually thought maybe you changed it yourself (for whatever reason) but it seems I was wrong :)
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uk
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Am I dreaming?
What is the significance of now posting from the US? I only noticed a day or so ago but it's been going on since the 10th! I thought I lived in the UK. Maybe I don't.
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I'm dreaming with you. I just sent you an email, only to find us posting within minutes of each other here in the threads. Heh!
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[link to www.youtube.com]

hope these embed

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Take care, everyone!

As all ways... see you on the other side :)

I will respond to all questions after my return.
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Hwyl Fawr, fy Ffrind


hope you're all impressed with my (basic) Welsh!
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Genius on the fly again....

1. Thought about how nice it would be to receive a spa treatment at a very beautiful place nearby.

2. Next day find I have won a voucher to the exact place for a treatment!

Yay :))

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Take care, everyone!

As all ways... see you on the other side :)

I will respond to all questions after my return.
 Quoting: Chaol


Hwyl Fawr, fy Ffrind


hope you're all impressed with my (basic) Welsh!
 Quoting: Marshwiggle


Ac eistedd y gwnaeth a'r orsedd! (The only Middle Welsh that lasted from my linguist days)
tuuuuur

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01/18/2013 09:35 AM

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Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.
Genius on the fly again....

1. Thought about how nice it would be to receive a spa treatment at a very beautiful place nearby.

2. Next day find I have won a voucher to the exact place for a treatment!

Yay :))
 Quoting: Marshwiggle


I love Genius on the fly! ;)
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01/18/2013 09:47 AM

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Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.
Take care, everyone!

As all ways... see you on the other side :)

I will respond to all questions after my return.
 Quoting: Chaol


Hwyl Fawr, fy Ffrind


hope you're all impressed with my (basic) Welsh!
 Quoting: Marshwiggle


Ac eistedd y gwnaeth a'r orsedd! (The only Middle Welsh that lasted from my linguist days)
 Quoting: tuuuuur


You've got me there, Tuuuuur! something about sitting on a throne?
I'm impressed that you know any Welsh, tho. Even most English people don't.

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