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Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

 
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At this point the only significant question to ask is, "What am I doing now that is entirely different from before?".

If you're not doing it then you're asking for pretty much the same perspective as before.

At this point, Ecsys will not save you.

The Genius will not save you.


Whatever New Age whiz-bang fad is popular this month will not save you.

Your momma or yoga master will not save you.

Only your willingness to (truly) change your perspective will.

Not tomorrow. Not when such-and-such happens.

Now.

"Save me from what?", it might be asked.

The inevitable.

You are nearing the end of physical perspective. (Or, it should be said, the brand of physicality you've gotten used to all these years.)

It is time either for an entirely new perspective, or time to perish as things tend to when they've reached the fringes of relevance.

I'm not talking about death and destruction (though every concept needs a logical narrative leading to it from your perspective, doesn't it?). I'm talking more about when the floor collapses beneath your feet, where will you stand?

Which side of the equation do you choose?

The choice is yours.

If you haven't seriously considered the question in the first sentence above, I suppose you've already decided.

There's not really anything more for me to say other than what I've already wrote here and in countless other posts.

Choose to be someone else that you can logically be right now, or forever be an energy stuck in the current loop.

It's not about them or that. It's about You.
 Quoting: Chaol


It is the word "logically" - as in "what you can logicaly become next" - that trips me up here.

My logic is definitely, without a doubt, changing. For me, it is more a matter of seeing what happens next and then taking it from there. I look for the benefits of every little difference and celebrate it in that it appears that I seem to be moving...somewhere.


Hadn't seen this before (bold statements above) and it makes a huge point. I didn't know this. ;o(


Glad I do now. :o)
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Whoops. I missed the end quote in the above reply.
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Am I dreaming?
What is the significance of now posting from the US? I only noticed a day or so ago but it's been going on since the 10th! I thought I lived in the UK. Maybe I don't.
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/snipples/

From this, the world will find out that the anti-establishment and the establishment are one and the same. The virus and the antidote to divide and conquer.*

When we find out where he is born, to whom, why he is in Hawaii (and what is in Hawaii; and what a car accident has to do with his personality), Indonesia with Sukarno, and several other countries (and why his mother is living in several countries, why she is married to a general in Suharto's army, what languages she speaks and why, whom she works for, and why), who supports him financially as he is growing up, and why, and what he is doing now, and why.

To promote one entertaining story to obscure an other, far more interesting, one is the name of the game. There are no grand conspiracies other than the nature of physicality to hide something that cannot be physically-represented. But the thought of a human conspiracy certainly keeps one from thinking about the nature of reality.

The actors and the stage begin to be revealed in their entirety in this unveiling. A story thousands of years in the making (and telling), encompassing pretty much everything you can read (or can't) in your history books.

What is your world composed of when what you knew so well becomes a mystery?

Truth is, indeed, stranger than fiction.

Then you see what you have been doing all along, and the reality that you create for yourself.

Everything exists now. (There is no past, present, or future, that you can experience save for your perspective.)

Obviously, what you perceive is illusion.

This illusion has a narrative.

In 2012, you see the narrative for what it is.

And this particular illusion breaks down.

The end of the world, indeed. (The end of this particular physical illusion, and the start of an other.)


*As I previously mentioned, this division is what creates physicality. The tension between 'good' and 'evil' is as old as time because it is what creates time.
 Quoting: Chaol




I can't believe after all I've learned from Chaol, I'd still be interested in learning the truth of the story referred to up above. Still want to obscure the real, true story I guess.

If it's taken 1,000's of years in the making and telling, how is there is no past/present/future? I"m sure this falls in line with the comment that the pyramids are being built now.

Interesting to contemplate, hard to understand, atm.
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The "old" play is over with. The credits are rolling, but there are still a few actors emoting in an exaggerated way, tryng to keep the attention of the audience. It is only an echo of what is past.

We will eventually know the whole story of the old reality. The NOW cannot be defined, because there is no NOW.

It all comes out in the wash.
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I didn't know this. I thought once we crossed the bridge, it wouldn't even be remembered. In my dream time, I don't think about this world at all. Thanks.

Interesting there is no NOW. It seems to me there is only NOW. But, to define it, I am having problems. Thanks.
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Am I dreaming?
What is the significance of now posting from the US? I only noticed a day or so ago but it's been going on since the 10th! I thought I lived in the UK. Maybe I don't.
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Hi Marshwiggle, noticed this last week and could have sworn you were from UK! Computer glitches eh? Hmmm lol actually thought maybe you changed it yourself (for whatever reason) but it seems I was wrong :)
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Am I dreaming?
What is the significance of now posting from the US? I only noticed a day or so ago but it's been going on since the 10th! I thought I lived in the UK. Maybe I don't.
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I'm dreaming with you. I just sent you an email, only to find us posting within minutes of each other here in the threads. Heh!
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Chaol, before you go, would you instruct us in determining nexus points? I know you said there will be a lot of them, but anyway, what's our strategy to determine when one will be available?

Thanks

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Chaol, before you go, would you instruct us in determining nexus points? I know you said there will be a lot of them, but anyway, what's our strategy to determine when one will be available?

Thanks
 Quoting: Unit3

It's easier to make than determine ;)

A calculation in Ec will do it, but this is a bit more advanced.

It's something that we may cover later.
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Take care, everyone!

As all ways... see you on the other side :)

I will respond to all questions after my return.
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Take care, everyone!

As all ways... see you on the other side :)

I will respond to all questions after my return.
 Quoting: Chaol


Safe travels!
Consider the possibility that you order yourself into being from chaos... You do this, always, in all ways. This "ordering" has resulted in the possibilities you're experiencing, here, now. In each experience you've ever had, more and more of "this" reality is generated logically from your previous experience. Your observation of this unfolding of order and chaos is reality.
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Take care, everyone!

As all ways... see you on the other side :)

I will respond to all questions after my return.
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Adios amigo.
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Take care, everyone!

As all ways... see you on the other side :)

I will respond to all questions after my return.
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Thanks for everything, Chaol. You will be missed.

hf
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For expanded fun look into the "god" helmet ,the silent self of the right hemisphere, and the right amygdala.

Should add a couple more pieces to the puzzle.
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just explore this whole site

[link to www.shaktitechnology.com]
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Did anybody notice how many news reports happened today...the day of Chaol's departure? Think there is a correlation?

I think it all had to do with the nexus.

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Dream Event

Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe": Meeting in the new Dream reality (Page 51)
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shifting relativity of variables in our field of existence.

Hi Choal,

Is it possible to control the variables using the ecsys model?
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Greetings!

It's possible to control the variables using many other models, too. However, it's more of a change of our own personal logic than "control".

To affect change, the tools we use need to be logical to our experience. (In fact, we develop and use the tools in order that our own logic may be illustrated.)

For example, ancient humans may have seen a stone wall and danced around it in order to bring it down. Depending upon their particular group-logic, some methods would have worked while others didn't.

Someone noticed that throwing a rock at it chips the stone away. (Or noticed that throwing leaves don't do much at all.) Each trial further evolves their logical narrative. They don't need to know how something works, just that it works.

(It works because of abstract reasons rather than physical ones, but that's an other post entirely.)

When we are children we see adults do things that make sense (as we see how it's done). This way, we don't have to spend so much time developing the logic for our experience.

An athlete may suddenly break a new record. Other athletes see this and extend their own logic. Suddenly, many other athletes are able to do the same thing that was previously not a part of the logic-field.

We can use English to "control" others to knock down the wall on a construction site but talking to the wall directly doesn't seem to work. That isn't to say that it could never work, just that the experience is a part of our logical landscape yet. (But if someone, somehow, manages to do just that, our logical landscape will change because of it. Then it will be closer to our own experience.)

For example, we could easily develop telepathic communication by starting from the kind of telepathic communication that works now, such as the sense of knowing when someone is looking at you. So, rather than first trying to do something that isn't close to our experience we do something that is, in order that we can evolve telepathic communication with words later. (Same as how the ancient humans, in the example above, knew that rocks were more logical at changing the state of the wall than were leaves.)

The Ecsys model is one such thing that makes certain kinds of experiences more relative to you (via extended logic) than others.

Other models are all around you, but they may not be effective for the kinds of things that we're talking about.

For example, we could possibly get to a distant planet in a rocket ship but it would be so inefficient as to be not worth the effort. It may be more effective to use other tools more logical to the desired experience to accomplish the task.

Ecsys is one such tool out of many that are developed in future.

Thanks!
 Quoting: Chaol 1117976




Since we were recently talking about telepathic communication here, I thought I'd post this.
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Take care, everyone!

As all ways... see you on the other side :)

I will respond to all questions after my return.
 Quoting: Chaol


See you on the other side!

I made a post in the dream world meeting thread, it should help others connect.

Hopefully we can have the biggest party yet!

To everyone reading this, get involved, all Chaol has ever asked for was doubt and an open mind in order to show you how to do what you may have forgotten.

Once you remember, you will see him as a friend, well, at least I do personally.


I was a non believer in anything, in fact when I was 10 or so, I used to have panick attacks before I slept thinking this experience was it lol. I genuinely believed there wasn't anything after.

Sorry to be bold and to the point, but ignorance only exists as long as people let it.

There are many many worlds out there, and you are able to perceive them and do more things than you can do here.

Chaol describes how to start to explore the above in the safest way possible, guaranteed no harm will come to you if you follow his methods.

Its a loooong journey, but stick with it. It gets fun eventually and you become excited for every single day.

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Am I dreaming?
What is the significance of now posting from the US? I only noticed a day or so ago but it's been going on since the 10th! I thought I lived in the UK. Maybe I don't.
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Hi Marshwiggle, noticed this last week and could have sworn you were from UK! Computer glitches eh? Hmmm lol actually thought maybe you changed it yourself (for whatever reason) but it seems I was wrong :)
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uk
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Am I dreaming?
What is the significance of now posting from the US? I only noticed a day or so ago but it's been going on since the 10th! I thought I lived in the UK. Maybe I don't.
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I'm dreaming with you. I just sent you an email, only to find us posting within minutes of each other here in the threads. Heh!
 Quoting: Unit3




[link to www.youtube.com]

and

[link to www.youtube.com]

hope these embed

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Take care, everyone!

As all ways... see you on the other side :)

I will respond to all questions after my return.
 Quoting: Chaol


Hwyl Fawr, fy Ffrind


hope you're all impressed with my (basic) Welsh!
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Genius on the fly again....

1. Thought about how nice it would be to receive a spa treatment at a very beautiful place nearby.

2. Next day find I have won a voucher to the exact place for a treatment!

Yay :))

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Take care, everyone!

As all ways... see you on the other side :)

I will respond to all questions after my return.
 Quoting: Chaol


Hwyl Fawr, fy Ffrind


hope you're all impressed with my (basic) Welsh!
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Ac eistedd y gwnaeth a'r orsedd! (The only Middle Welsh that lasted from my linguist days)
Tuuur
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Genius on the fly again....

1. Thought about how nice it would be to receive a spa treatment at a very beautiful place nearby.

2. Next day find I have won a voucher to the exact place for a treatment!

Yay :))
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I love Genius on the fly! ;)
Tuuur
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Take care, everyone!

As all ways... see you on the other side :)

I will respond to all questions after my return.
 Quoting: Chaol


Hwyl Fawr, fy Ffrind


hope you're all impressed with my (basic) Welsh!
 Quoting: Marshwiggle


Ac eistedd y gwnaeth a'r orsedd! (The only Middle Welsh that lasted from my linguist days)
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You've got me there, Tuuuuur! something about sitting on a throne?
I'm impressed that you know any Welsh, tho. Even most English people don't.
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Am I dreaming?
What is the significance of now posting from the US? I only noticed a day or so ago but it's been going on since the 10th! I thought I lived in the UK. Maybe I don't.
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I'm dreaming with you. I just sent you an email, only to find us posting within minutes of each other here in the threads. Heh!
 Quoting: Unit3






and



hope these embed
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They're embedded now! (Click youtube button, up above compose screen, before and after link.)

After you and I had the day we did, following each other around here and your USA location, I got off the computer and went to check my mail.

When I checked it, I couldn't believe my eyes. I had 3 letters to other people and 2 of them were to people that aren't even in this development! LOL!

This rarely happens and if it does, it has always been just one letter to someone else. A day of strangeness, heh!
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Whale playing with dolphins, turns over and swims on his back. This has never been seen before as far as anyone knows.


[link to www.ocregister.com]

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For interesting things on dolphins, look into John C lily. He was a pioneer in dolphin intelligence and communication
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For interesting things on dolphins, look into John C lily. He was a pioneer in dolphin intelligence and communication
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Let's go swim with them? Want to?

Goofy Thum
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ALRIGHT! With Chaol's absence it is time for a DODEC update!!!!! ;)

The self

What is the self, careful mindfulness of your emotions and thoughts will lead you to feel not quite as you typically envision yourself.

If you take it step further and take some mushrooms or LSD or even deep transcendental meditation, you will feel your sense of self or at least as you would think of yourself seem as an illusion. And a new more comprehensive smarter self emerges. At first you balance the two as you think about what is going on, but as your new self appears you cling less to the old self until it is gone. It is still you, but it is no longer you. The new you has a vastly expanded thinking potential. Thinking in multiple dimensions, and running several trains of thought at once, and your thoughts become less limited and you start thinking in terms of infinities. But verbalizing your thoughts is no impossible, you have hit a wall where what is going on in your head cannot be turned into speech at all, and you barely remember what you were thinking about hours later.

SO WHAT IS THE SELF, WHAT's LEFT AND WHAT APPEARS



Nueroscience has taught us a lot about what we know about the self. Using transcerebral magnetic stimulation as well as electrode stimulation, neuroscientists have mapped much of the brain.

Well it turns out we have two senses of self. One that we normally associate with ( let's call this self A) located in the left amygdala and another less known self (self B) in the right amygdala

self B is what causes the feeling of feeling someone is behind you or someone watching you when no one is there.

Self A is your waking self, the one that associates with language. The irony of this being our selves that we usually associate with is that it is limiting our reality.

You see this self is "contained" in our left amygdala. Our left brain is also where our capacity for language is. It turns out that language severely limits the infinite. The mere act of a symbol or word that defines something inherently applies a limitation. Since this exists for everything we know, think, or can talk about, by being our normal selves we vastly limit our potential.
(Think about being wet, it is a word, but what does wet REALLY feel like. We think it feels wet, but that is just conceptual wisdom and not what the feeling is actually like. Ever feel something cold and think you touched something wet. Why are they so similar? Because you don't have any actual processing of what those sensations are like, you just have a word wet and so you think of yourself as only the word "wet" and not the sensations of what being wet is like.)

We have a sense of self on each side of the brain. They are both busy doing something almost all the time. However, normally, the one on the left side where language is located, tends to dominate our experience of ourselves.
This goes on because of our constant inner dialogue. We are constantly trying to tell ourselves what we are experiencing, and we use words to do it. When we have an experience that goes beyond words, one of the things that's happening is that for a brief time, our silent sense of self, out of the right side of the brain, is the one that's on top of our consciousness. Our normal sense of self has to give way. In crude terms, our normal sense of self feels under attack. The things it's learned, it's defense mechanisms, it's tastes and habits, slowly become irrelevant as we have more altered state experiences. Also, a great deal of our identities comes from the thoughts we have had about ourselves. In many ways, we think ourselves into being who we are, or rather who we are unconsciously pretending we are. When our silent sense of self is given the chance to emerge, it shows us that we are not what we think we are.

Because we are a social species, and each person requires an identity in the eyes of those around us, our feelings of being safe in human company depends on our identifying with a role. Normally our sense of our own identity is very important to us when the silent sense of self keeps emerging until our awareness tends to shatter that feeling of knowing who we are. The sense of self that appears in normal states of consciousness, the one that thinks in words and relates to others, is the self that suicide seems to destroy. The more your silent self emerges the more useless your linguistic self will feel


This self B is you, but it is also what you would think of as "subconscious" or "the genius"

Why can't I tap into this self B more often

The irony is that you can and do. The problem lies in that because you associate yourself most the time with Self A, and because self A thinks in terms of language. The experiences self B has in the infinite and in its plane of existence is incompatible with the limitations and self imposed boundaries of language. So when you try to recall a dream from when you were sleeping and self B is dominate, it is hard because the experience from the right side of the brain must travel to the left and be repackaged into your thinking language so you can comprehend it.

Because all the information that ever exists or existed can be stored in magnetic information, our right brain has the ability to process this info. The phenomena of telekinesis or intuition or psychics or remote viewing, may only be our left brains tapping into the knowledge that is stored in our right brains.


If I am right, what Chaol refers to as the dream world, is merely the right side of our brains. And the bridge he speaks of CAN ONLY BE a new language that is more basic so that one can translate the infinite into something comprehensible.

Now we know what it is we are looking for and trying to accomplish I believe things will get easier. There are several techniques and strategies that help to engage the right side of the brain and help to build the bridge. (Though nothing would work as well as a new more basic all inclusive language)

For more information, this movie is a must see in order to get a stronger grasp on the science. And of course feel free to ask me any questions as it will help me to elaborate further.

[link to www.youtube.com]

(As a scientist I may not agree with all the conclusions of this video, but I am positive on the separation of identities within the separate cerebrums, I mean just look at split brain patients.)


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