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Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

 
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I've been thinking about this, so I thought I'd just ask about it here. I don't know if Chaol has addressed it or not.

Anyway, our worlds are merging. If Chaol hadn't been the explorer he is and found us, and then met a girlfriend here, what would have happened with the merging?

I believe he mentioned the merge would have taken another 30 years had he not come along. And, I know Chaol said he is helping to make the merge happen faster and in a certain way, but other than that, what would have happened?

Does any one have more info. on this? I'm just curious. Thanks.
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U3 if not for Chaol, in 2013 the world would obviously be run by zombie nazis on dinosaurs.
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U3 if not for Chaol, in 2013 the world would obviously be run by zombie nazis on dinosaurs.
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For sure. But, what about the merging? If we did not have him, how would the merge take place? Iow, how would we have gotten "there"? Look how hard some of us have to work at it WITH Chaol's help.

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It is kind of senseless to look for "you" inside a brain, because the brain is just an image-maker. All it sees are illusions, which are not there at all. Recall that Chaol has already stated that you are not actually thinking. You are only perceiving the geometries of relationships, which also are illusionary.

"Practice thinking outside of your body."
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Me...ac 32525250

U3 I don't remember dreaming last nite (though I did read that page you sent me) but I woke up HAPPY and ready to face my 'nothing' day...LOL

thank you for your kind words but more importantly thank you for your kind thoughts! You know what I mean....

I'm extremely private so I doubt I would 'show' my art here....how about I show you under the tree tonight?
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If the model for changing one's perspective to that of sleeping dreams is getting ready for bed, laying down, closing one's eyes and etc., then what is the model for changing perspective from sleeping dreams to waking dreams?

Does anybody recall how they exit their sleeping dreams in order to waken in THIS version of physicality?
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For the past few weeks, I have been dreaming of very tall beings. Sometimes, I am the one that is very tall. I practically bumped my head on the ceiling of the Great Hall, and that is...what?...five stories high? Anybody else sensing a lot of tall entities about?
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It is kind of senseless to look for "you" inside a brain, because the brain is just an image-maker. All it sees are illusions, which are not there at all. Recall that Chaol has already stated that you are not actually thinking. You are only perceiving the geometries of relationships, which also are illusionary.

"Practice thinking outside of your body."
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It's only useless, if you ask me, if you keep looking there. Once you realize you aren't there, then you start looking elsewhere. So, that door gets closed.

And I don't really get the rest. I believe it, but I don't get it, LOL! If we aren't thinking, then how the heck can we be so separated from Chaol's world?

Are you able to think outside your body? I've been trying ever since Chaol recommended it to somebody (was it you?) and so far, I don't see it happening.

So for now, I'm trying to break down how it might happen. For example, the other day on my walk, I heard someone say something very clearly, but no one was around.

I'm pretty sure it came from a schoolyard but the schoolyard is a couple of miles away and you can't even see it. So it came as a disembodied voice.

Anyway, this isn't really thinking outside the body but I thought it was a start.
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U3 I don't remember dreaming last nite (though I did read that page you sent me) but I woke up HAPPY and ready to face my 'nothing' day...LOL

thank you for your kind words but more importantly thank you for your kind thoughts! You know what I mean....

I'm extremely private so I doubt I would 'show' my art here....how about I show you under the tree tonight?
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Ohhhh, I'm so glad. And YW. Aren't you glad you decided you aren't a lurker anymore????????? ;o)

OK, you've got a deal re: the artwork. Btw, can we talk about this on the Dream thread, LOL! If we can go over there and plan it, it might help others.
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If the model for changing one's perspective to that of sleeping dreams is getting ready for bed, laying down, closing one's eyes and etc., then what is the model for changing perspective from sleeping dreams to waking dreams?

Does anybody recall how they exit their sleeping dreams in order to waken in THIS version of physicality?
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No I don't know how but I sure like this train of thought. Thanks. Let's make a model for waking in Chaol's world. What do you think?

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If the model for changing one's perspective to that of sleeping dreams is getting ready for bed, laying down, closing one's eyes and etc., then what is the model for changing perspective from sleeping dreams to waking dreams?

Does anybody recall how they exit their sleeping dreams in order to waken in THIS version of physicality?
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No I don't know how but I sure like this train of thought. Thanks. Why do you want a model for waking in this version?
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Yes, for me, it is often preceded by experiencing a hope that I remain in the dream. Normally just thinking of your "everyday" experience brings it closer to you.
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If the model for changing one's perspective to that of sleeping dreams is getting ready for bed, laying down, closing one's eyes and etc., then what is the model for changing perspective from sleeping dreams to waking dreams?

Does anybody recall how they exit their sleeping dreams in order to waken in THIS version of physicality?
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No I don't know how but I sure like this train of thought. Thanks. Why do you want a model for waking in this version?
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Yes, for me, it is often preceded by experiencing a hope that I remain in the dream. Normally just thinking of your "everyday" experience brings it closer to you.
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I just re-read this whole thing and I think I misunderstood what the original poster was saying.

I think he is saying let's figure out a model to stay in the real world....which is Chaol's world! And to figure out what model we use to come back here as a basis for it. Anyway, I edited my reply to him/her.

I propose we do this. Let's make a model for staying there. We already have one for crossing the bridge. Let's figure out how we stay here and then use the model to stay there, heh!

I remember I asked Chaol about the models in his world and he basically said, no comment. I know he wants us to figure all this out because we have to walk in there of our own accord. So, if we figure out a model to live in Chaol's world, it would be the same thing. Right? Heh!

Makes me think he said he would be gone for months so we would really start to integrate all he's taught us. Of course, it might not be this at all, but since I don't know, I'm going with this, LOL!

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Btw, this whole Genius thing is intuitive. I think Chaol laid it out so no matter where anyone is in their understanding, they would have guidelines.

Anyway, today as I took my walk, I picked up a stick I carry with me all the time. I bang around on things as I walk and random other things with it, kind of like the girl in that autistic video someone posted about a month ago.

While I was walking today, I realized the stick is a symbol that came to me! Doh! And, that I had been using it in the same space and interacting with it. Another doh!

All I had to do is add a second thing to it, add intent/desired perception and add some logic. So, while I walked, I found things to tie to the stick. When I got back to the tree where I always throw it, I left it there.

Now, I'm back home figuring the intent/desired perception and logic!!!!!!!! So much easier. Wow!
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As ever I am here to answer your queries.

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For the past few weeks, I have been dreaming of very tall beings. Sometimes, I am the one that is very tall. I practically bumped my head on the ceiling of the Great Hall, and that is...what?...five stories high? Anybody else sensing a lot of tall entities about?
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I'm no expert, but if the world we are entering is 4th dimensional, then it's all warped. Right?

Like this:

[link to 3.bp.blogspot.com]
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For the past few weeks, I have been dreaming of very tall beings. Sometimes, I am the one that is very tall. I practically bumped my head on the ceiling of the Great Hall, and that is...what?...five stories high? Anybody else sensing a lot of tall entities about?
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I'm no expert, but if the world we are entering is 4th dimensional, then it's all warped. Right?

Like this:

[link to 3.bp.blogspot.com]
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Fourth dimensional? There is only one dimension - perspective!

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For the past few weeks, I have been dreaming of very tall beings. Sometimes, I am the one that is very tall. I practically bumped my head on the ceiling of the Great Hall, and that is...what?...five stories high? Anybody else sensing a lot of tall entities about?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1194528




I'm no expert, but if the world we are entering is 4th dimensional, then it's all warped. Right?

Like this:

[link to 3.bp.blogspot.com]
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Fourth dimensional? There is only one dimension - perspective!

Not-Chaol
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Then why does Chaol talk about how it's such a culture change to go there? And why did he post the Carl Sagan video, on the 4th dimension, two different times?

What I'm trying to figure out is what are the givens? Our worlds are merging...that's one. What are the rest? Or, since it's all my perception, I can just make it all how I want it?

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Btw, does anyone else have ringing in their ears? I found a post the other day where Chaol related the earth sounds to the music in the movie, Inception. It made me wonder if this ringing is the same thing.
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U3, I believe Chaol's making an analogy in that context. The variance(relationship) between the audio output sent to either ear is synthesized within perpective as an ilusory sound. Although the sound is not technically being played by the speaker, we hear it as if it were. This sound is our mind making sense of the variance between "sides". The frequency between the tones can have a variation leading to our mind syncing up in wave amplitude and frequency. That experience allows for very specific states of mind. This relationship provides us additional possibility space to interact or apply logic. This same space is highly relative to "chaos" and "change" which is what Chaol is trying to point out (I believe).
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Meditation, "sleep" dreaming and day dreaming abuse this possibility as well.
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U3, I believe Chaol's making an analogy in that context. The variance(relationship) between the audio output sent to either ear is synthesized within perpective as an ilusory sound. Although the sound is not technically being played by the speaker, we hear it as if it were. This sound is our mind making sense of the variance between "sides". The frequency between the tones can have a variation leading to our mind syncing up in wave amplitude and frequency. That experience allows for very specific states of mind. This relationship provides us additional possibility space to interact or apply logic. This same space is highly relative to "chaos" and "change" which is what Chaol is trying to point out (I believe).
hf
Meditation, "sleep" dreaming and day dreaming abuse this possibility as well.
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I don't know, Jesse. And I sure don't know how to explain much of it. I have plenty of questions about all of it, too.

But, I do feel most of what Chaol teaches and recommends, is to train (not sure if this is the correct word but I'll go with it) the brain, so it is receptive.

How all this works doesn't interest me as much as knowing what works. So, thanks for sharing your understanding of all of it.

I can't really make a good comment, just observations from my time here.
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This thread is relevant:
Thread: We are energy? This article will explain in great detail how we are energy.
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U3, I believe Chaol's making an analogy in that context. The variance(relationship) between the audio output sent to either ear is synthesized within perpective as an ilusory sound. Although the sound is not technically being played by the speaker, we hear it as if it were. This sound is our mind making sense of the variance between "sides". The frequency between the tones can have a variation leading to our mind syncing up in wave amplitude and frequency. That experience allows for very specific states of mind. This relationship provides us additional possibility space to interact or apply logic. This same space is highly relative to "chaos" and "change" which is what Chaol is trying to point out (I believe).
hf
Meditation, "sleep" dreaming and day dreaming abuse this possibility as well.
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U3, I believe Chaol's making an analogy in that context. The variance(relationship) between the audio output sent to either ear is synthesized within perpective as an ilusory sound. Although the sound is not technically being played by the speaker, we hear it as if it were. This sound is our mind making sense of the variance between "sides". The frequency between the tones can have a variation leading to our mind syncing up in wave amplitude and frequency. That experience allows for very specific states of mind. This relationship provides us additional possibility space to interact or apply logic. This same space is highly relative to "chaos" and "change" which is what Chaol is trying to point out (I believe).
hf
Meditation, "sleep" dreaming and day dreaming abuse this possibility as well.
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I don't know, Jesse. And I sure don't know how to explain much of it. I have plenty of questions about all of it, too.

But, I do feel most of what Chaol teaches and recommends, is to train (not sure if this is the correct word but I'll go with it) the brain, so it is receptive.

How all this works doesn't interest me as much as knowing what works. So, thanks for sharing your understanding of all of it.

I can't really make a good comment, just observations from my time here.
 Quoting: U3

This thread is relevant:
Thread: We are energy? This article will explain in great detail how we are energy.
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Thanks Jesse. Good stuff there.
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I'm having Chaol withdrawals. ;o(
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Brain teasers, look for negative space:


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I kept meaning to ask Chaol a question. But, I never got it formed quite right. Anyway, I've been reading Seth material and I'm going to post this....so maybe it will come up whenever Chaol returns.

It's an excerpt where Seth is talking about reincarnation, death and then how one decides their "next" life....

"It is almost impossible to speak of when the personality enters the physical
body without discussing the ways in which it leaves it, for all this is highly
dependent upon personal characteristics and attitudes toward physical reality.
Decisions as to future lives may be made not only in between life conditions but
also in dream states in any given life.
>

> You may have already decided for example, now, upon the circumstances for your
next incarnation. Although in your terms your new parents may be infants now, or
in your scale of time not even born, the arrangements may still be made
."

And I just found this too:

"The whole self is aware of all of the experiences of all of the egos, and since one identity forms them, there are bound to be similarities between them and shared characteristics."

Seth, Seth Material


I am remembering correctly...that Chaol says the Seth material is good stuff?

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I kept meaning to ask Chaol a question. But, I never got it formed quite right. Anyway, I've been reading Seth material and I'm going to post this....so maybe it will come up whenever Chaol returns.

It's an excerpt where Seth is talking about reincarnation, death and then how one decides their "next" life....

"It is almost impossible to speak of when the personality enters the physical
body without discussing the ways in which it leaves it, for all this is highly
dependent upon personal characteristics and attitudes toward physical reality.
Decisions as to future lives may be made not only in between life conditions but
also in dream states in any given life.
>

> You may have already decided for example, now, upon the circumstances for your
next incarnation. Although in your terms your new parents may be infants now, or
in your scale of time not even born, the arrangements may still be made
."

And I just found this too:

"The whole self is aware of all of the experiences of all of the egos, and since one identity forms them, there are bound to be similarities between them and shared characteristics."

Seth, Seth Material


I am remembering correctly...that Chaol says the Seth material is good stuff?
 Quoting: U3

He gave it a nod. Check out Tom Campbell's lectures on youtube. Start with the cambridge one. My Big T.O.E. is his book and he has it online for free. Campbell's research at the Monroe Institute was heavily influenced by Jane Roberts and her "Seth". Binaural beats were "discovered" at the Monroe Institute and were called "hemisync". It's all relative.
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ecsys.org is down :(
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It's still up for me Gespenst. Check your connection and other settings and try again.
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ecsys.org is down :(
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It's up now.
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I kept meaning to ask Chaol a question. But, I never got it formed quite right. Anyway, I've been reading Seth material and I'm going to post this....so maybe it will come up whenever Chaol returns.

It's an excerpt where Seth is talking about reincarnation, death and then how one decides their "next" life....

"It is almost impossible to speak of when the personality enters the physical
body without discussing the ways in which it leaves it, for all this is highly
dependent upon personal characteristics and attitudes toward physical reality.
Decisions as to future lives may be made not only in between life conditions but
also in dream states in any given life.
>

> You may have already decided for example, now, upon the circumstances for your
next incarnation. Although in your terms your new parents may be infants now, or
in your scale of time not even born, the arrangements may still be made
."

And I just found this too:

"The whole self is aware of all of the experiences of all of the egos, and since one identity forms them, there are bound to be similarities between them and shared characteristics."

Seth, Seth Material


I am remembering correctly...that Chaol says the Seth material is good stuff?
 Quoting: U3

He gave it a nod. Check out Tom Campbell's lectures on youtube. Start with the cambridge one. My Big T.O.E. is his book and he has it online for free. Campbell's research at the Monroe Institute was heavily influenced by Jane Roberts and her "Seth". Binaural beats were "discovered" at the Monroe Institute and were called "hemisync". It's all relative.
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OK, I've snooped around MBT and was a vendor for the Monroe Institute, but I didn't know the rest. Thanks.
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There are sooooo many different ways for us to look at all of this but I am sure there is only one way that is as close to "true" as possible within any given perspective. For each "teacher" I find it's their own personal spin and perspective that they inject into their teachings that I often find myself struggling with. The "truth" is, though, that every bit of information we uncover on this journey through our realization of perspective is limited by what we've personally come to believe ourselves to be. With our "ego" (what we have been) struggling to keep itself relevant, we often throw the babies out with the bathwater.

I've found a comfortable state for my Ego where it is allowed to remain relevant and even thrive by simply allowing it to accept (believe) that it cannot be rendered irrelevant as long as it retains it's open minded skepticism. That belief, alone, has led me to notice the consistency in each perspective and has provided my Ego an alternate form of relevance and approval.

Although we are driven by what we believe ourselves to have been, we can believe we are unbounded to the extent that our ego (the "thing" that we've always identified ourselves to be) is still nurtured, like a developing child innocent in it's action as it couldn't "know" better and therefore is never "wrong". It is our responsibility to get it to believe that it must accept and integrate "new" useful logic even if it coflicts with what it's previously come to believe it's experienced.

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I kept meaning to ask Chaol a question. But, I never got it formed quite right. Anyway, I've been reading Seth material and I'm going to post this....so maybe it will come up whenever Chaol returns.

It's an excerpt where Seth is talking about reincarnation, death and then how one decides their "next" life....

"It is almost impossible to speak of when the personality enters the physical
body without discussing the ways in which it leaves it, for all this is highly
dependent upon personal characteristics and attitudes toward physical reality.
Decisions as to future lives may be made not only in between life conditions but
also in dream states in any given life.
>

> You may have already decided for example, now, upon the circumstances for your
next incarnation. Although in your terms your new parents may be infants now, or
in your scale of time not even born, the arrangements may still be made
."

And I just found this too:

"The whole self is aware of all of the experiences of all of the egos, and since one identity forms them, there are bound to be similarities between them and shared characteristics."

Seth, Seth Material


I am remembering correctly...that Chaol says the Seth material is good stuff?
 Quoting: U3

He gave it a nod. Check out Tom Campbell's lectures on youtube. Start with the cambridge one. My Big T.O.E. is his book and he has it online for free. Campbell's research at the Monroe Institute was heavily influenced by Jane Roberts and her "Seth". Binaural beats were "discovered" at the Monroe Institute and were called "hemisync". It's all relative.
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OK, I've snooped around MBT and was a vendor for the Monroe Institute, but I didn't know the rest. Thanks.
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