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Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

 
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Anyway, no, I didn't want to get rid of him. However, once he was gone and I found these threads, I was very glad.... because he is not into this.......at all. Not even a little bit. In fact, just a couple of months ago, he told me I would burn in hell for eternity. (We're friends now....go figure, heh!)

Here's how it seems to me. Everyone is a figure in our perspective. So, as I work my Genius, someone can change. And they won't even be aware of it (esp. if I keep my mouth shut)!
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And, of course, "they" do not change. You do.

I do wonder why there are people who are so opposed to subjects such as these? I like to think that I am tolerant of other's belief systems. I have always asked questions of those who are very different from me and have listened to their explanations. I just store it away in my mind and don't really judge them on it. I may decide that their viewpoint doesn't really interest me, but I don't condemn them to hell for what they believe.

So, why do I have so many "others" in my perspective who condemn ME to hell for my beliefs and interests?

Obviously, it is me reflecting my own judgement of myself, but I don't understand why, or how to get past it. If I'm not hurting anybody, then why should anybody else care what I think or do?

(Hope I'm not being a hypocrite, here.)
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Yes, you're right. My perspective changed. Thanks for reminding me.

I don't understand how to get past it either but I know resisting it won't help.
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Chaol addressed this matter somewhat (expect conflict and good wishes for burning in hell, I guess):

Chaol, I'm wondering about the statement you made (in this thread)

"Choose to be someone else that you can logically be right now, or forever be an energy stuck in the current loop."

1) Do you still see this split as a probable event?
3) What or who is responsible for this split?
3) Why is it occurring?

Thanks.
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Hi. 1) it has all ready; 2) you are; 3) it does at every moment and at every angle. But sometimes those 'angles' align and you get a big 'split'

When one relates only with what one knows the value of the relationships diminish.

The more we learn to relate with what is not "us" the more valuable those relationships become.

When you introduce new perspectives into your experience you are able to see your experience more clearly than if you had not. (Although some of us may not accept the new perspective and conflicts arise.)
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Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking. (Page 240)
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[link to www.youtube.com]

playlist for the merging of worlds ;)
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Also, from Chaol on pg 85,

'Nevermind the teachings. All that you need to know is on the last 2-3 pages'
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U r all making great progress. As always i am here for your questions. Not-Chaol.
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Ah! Positive feedback! Support! That is more valuable than anything else right now. Thank you, NC.
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[link to www.youtube.com]

playlist for the merging of worlds ;)
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That'll work! Gave me goosebumps. I like it a lot.
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Also, from Chaol on pg 85,

'Nevermind the teachings. All that you need to know is on the last 2-3 pages'
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I know. Chaol is so incredibly patient with us noodleheads. There was a time a couple years ago when he told us that everything that could be said, has been said.

Then, he went on to give us truckloads more of new information. Like Sekhmet. I would never want to have missed that.
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/snips/

Anyway, no, I didn't want to get rid of him. However, once he was gone and I found these threads, I was very glad.... because he is not into this.......at all. Not even a little bit. In fact, just a couple of months ago, he told me I would burn in hell for eternity. (We're friends now....go figure, heh!)

Here's how it seems to me. Everyone is a figure in our perspective. So, as I work my Genius, someone can change. And they won't even be aware of it (esp. if I keep my mouth shut)!
 Quoting: U3


And, of course, "they" do not change. You do.

I do wonder why there are people who are so opposed to subjects such as these? I like to think that I am tolerant of other's belief systems. I have always asked questions of those who are very different from me and have listened to their explanations. I just store it away in my mind and don't really judge them on it. I may decide that their viewpoint doesn't really interest me, but I don't condemn them to hell for what they believe.

So, why do I have so many "others" in my perspective who condemn ME to hell for my beliefs and interests?

Obviously, it is me reflecting my own judgement of myself, but I don't understand why, or how to get past it. If I'm not hurting anybody, then why should anybody else care what I think or do?

(Hope I'm not being a hypocrite, here.)
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Yes, you're right. My perspective changed. Thanks for reminding me.

I don't understand how to get past it either but I know resisting it won't help.
 Quoting: U3


Chaol addressed this matter somewhat (expect conflict and good wishes for burning in hell, I guess):

Chaol, I'm wondering about the statement you made (in this thread)

"Choose to be someone else that you can logically be right now, or forever be an energy stuck in the current loop."

1) Do you still see this split as a probable event?
3) What or who is responsible for this split?
3) Why is it occurring?

Thanks.
 Quoting: Unit3


Hi. 1) it has all ready; 2) you are; 3) it does at every moment and at every angle. But sometimes those 'angles' align and you get a big 'split'

When one relates only with what one knows the value of the relationships diminish.

The more we learn to relate with what is not "us" the more valuable those relationships become.

When you introduce new perspectives into your experience you are able to see your experience more clearly than if you had not. (Although some of us may not accept the new perspective and conflicts arise.)
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Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking. (Page 240)
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Another thing he has said is to accept these things as part of your perspective, which I do. There are plenty of things in my perspective that I'd rather not have, rather not see as myself...but they're there. Acceptance is the key, imo.
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[link to www.youtube.com]

playlist for the merging of worlds ;)
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Oh are we ever gonna have fun when we hit the Sphnix internet. PAR-TAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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What's great about the universe is that there's a time and space for everything that can be imagined.

To expect things to remain the same in the face of its expanse leads to experiences of fearing that one would not exist.

(This is not the same as fear of death. Fear of not existing is the ultimate fear because it is the ultimate resistance. It is not an emotional thing or something that would lead to psychoses or may cause one to deny it like fear of clowns. Fear of non-existence is the nature of physicality because it creates the resistance that physicality illustrates through the bifurcation of perspective.)

When we are afraid of letting go of ourselves and resist changing perspectives or make excuses as to why the current perspective should be maintained, then it really is the same thing.

Fear of not being oneself is what keeps one in the illusion of being separate from an other.

I do not suggest that one way is "better" than any other. However, it is inevitable that perspectives change. (As a perspective is not any one thing in particular. But living our lives as we do we come to believe that our perspective should be this or that. That is the point.)

I am suggesting, however, that we can do what is natural for us to do. Something you are already doing.

We (you) are just waiting for you to realize it.

We are appearing to have this conversation because the resistance is still there.

If there was no fear, you would simply be talking to yourself. (Which, really, is what you're doing anyway whether or not you realize it.) You would not resist any reality because "any reality" comprises your perspective.

An analogy would be if one day you woke up with the power to immediately manifest into your reality anything that you could possibly imagine... and you used it to maintain your previous illusion.

And when someone knocks on your door and tells you that you can do anything and shows you how, you look for flaws in their apparel and focus on their left shoe not being fully-tied, or that their sleeve is wrinkled, or that it's very sunny today. And then you spend an additional 10 years looking for ways your new abilities aren't there, or convincing yourself why you can't do something, or focusing on some inconsequential discussion.

All because of the fear of not existing.

This resistance creates physicality. Your physicality has changed (already), and so should the manner in which you resist.

That many of us find our current ("previous") perspective so hard to resist is exactly the point. We cling to our families, television shows, clothes, ideas, jobs, etc., because of this.

(Of course, it may be that your mind sees what I am suggesting as "giving up everything" but of course it would want you to believe that. The reality is that you are already doing the opposite of "giving up everything" when you ignore the greater reality of your perspective.)

Our methods of resistance create all kinds of conversations, realities, beliefs, friends, 'blocking out' of certain stimuli or thought processes, etc.

It becomes its own reality.

So we create a world in which we dream about such expansive realities but are unable to experience them because, "deep down", we actually prefer to maintain the status quo.
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Speaking of resistance.........read above. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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This resistance creates physicality. Your physicality has changed (already), and so should the manner in which you resist.

That many of us find our current ("previous") perspective so hard to resist is exactly the point. We cling to our families, television shows, clothes, ideas, jobs, etc., because of this.

(Of course, it may be that your mind sees what I am suggesting as "giving up everything" but of course it would want you to believe that. The reality is that you are already doing the opposite of "giving up everything" when you ignore the greater reality of your perspective.)

Our methods of resistance create all kinds of conversations, realities, beliefs, friends, 'blocking out' of certain stimuli or thought processes, etc.

It becomes its own reality.

So we create a world in which we dream about such expansive realities but are unable to experience them because, "deep down", we actually prefer to maintain the status quo.
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Speaking of resistance.........read above. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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Similar to,

“Since consciousness is the basis of all reality, any shift in consciousness changes every aspect of our reality. Reality is created by consciousness differentiating into cognition, moods, emotions, perceptions, behavior, speech, social interactions, environment, interaction with the forces of nature, and biology. As consciousness evolves, these different aspects of consciousness also change.” – Deepak Chopra
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Speaking of resistance.........read above. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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He didn't mince any words with that post, did he?
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Speaking of resistance.........read above. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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He didn't mince any words with that post, did he?
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No, he didn't. Got another here where he does it again...and it's about things in our perspective we don't agree with....just what we were talking about earlier.

Thread: Neuronics: The future of humanity (Humanity without physicality) (Page 20)
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Hi all!

Feel like it's been ages since I've posted! The flu knocked me out a few days after Chaol left (hate those nexus points!). Guess I needed more interaction with the dream world? Because sleeping 20+ hours a day is a bit much. Especially when you see less daylight than a freaking housecat! :)

Glad to see you're back, Kath! Can't wait to hear your stories!

And Unit, I've been doing some reading about the email you sent; replies are coming!
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Yay! The gang's all here!

Hello, Cat, and thanks for the welcome back.

The flu is good for hitting the reset button, don't you think? Hope it is all behind you now.

A story? Thanks for the invitation! I just happen to have a story!

You all know by now that I am older than most of you. 58! So, I count decades back when telling some of these stories.

I bought "A Course in Miracles" hot off the press in 1982. An article in "Psychology Today" gave me an interest in it. When it arrived, I read a few pages and then set it down... for seven years! I never touched it again in all that time.

Then, I became bedridden with the flu. I did all the sleeping that I could, but I got bored. So, I finally picked up the ACIM book. Being stuck in bed forced me to read the damn thing. This book offered the most outrageous ideas, that I recall shouting out loud, throwing the book down, then picking it up again.

After all those decades ago, that book never leaves my side. It is ratty, falling apart, with underlining and notes in the margin on nearly every page. I have practiced the Workbook exercises 25 times, but getting all the way through to the very end only once. Strange and fabulous events occurred that were jaw-dropping.

It totally turned my thinking around.

If I had not gotten sick way back then, I don't know how long it would have been until I finally read that book, or if I ever would have.

I rave about this book, because it teaches the very basics of what Chaol has been telling us. Chaol's Ecsys takes us beyond what ACIM offers. ACIM has a religious flavor, which was appropriate for the world in the 1970's, but I had been looking for an extension of those teachings minus the religiosity. Chaol does this perfectly.

Here is my favorite online version of "A Course in Miracles":
[link to acim-search.miraclevision.com]
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Hi all!

Feel like it's been ages since I've posted! The flu knocked me out a few days after Chaol left (hate those nexus points!). Guess I needed more interaction with the dream world? Because sleeping 20+ hours a day is a bit much. Especially when you see less daylight than a freaking housecat! :)

Glad to see you're back, Kath! Can't wait to hear your stories!

And Unit, I've been doing some reading about the email you sent; replies are coming!
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Yay! The gang's all here!

Hello, Cat, and thanks for the welcome back.

The flu is good for hitting the reset button, don't you think? Hope it is all behind you now.

A story? Thanks for the invitation! I just happen to have a story!

You all know by now that I am older than most of you. 58! So, I count decades back when telling some of these stories.

I bought "A Course in Miracles" hot off the press in 1982. An article in "Psychology Today" gave me an interest in it. When it arrived, I read a few pages and then set it down... for seven years! I never touched it again in all that time.

Then, I became bedridden with the flu. I did all the sleeping that I could, but I got bored. So, I finally picked up the ACIM book. Being stuck in bed forced me to read the damn thing. This book offered the most outrageous ideas, that I recall shouting out loud, throwing the book down, then picking it up again.

After all those decades ago, that book never leaves my side. It is ratty, falling apart, with underlining and notes in the margin on nearly every page. I have practiced the Workbook exercises 25 times, but getting all the way through to the very end only once. Strange and fabulous events occurred that were jaw-dropping.

It totally turned my thinking around.

If I had not gotten sick way back then, I don't know how long it would have been until I finally read that book, or if I ever would have.

I rave about this book, because it teaches the very basics of what Chaol has been telling us. Chaol's Ecsys takes us beyond what ACIM offers. ACIM has a religious flavor, which was appropriate for the world in the 1970's, but I had been looking for an extension of those teachings minus the religiosity. Chaol does this perfectly.

Here is my favorite online version of "A Course in Miracles":
[link to acim-search.miraclevision.com]
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I'm a big ACIM fan too. What always caught my attention is it says it works even if you don't believe in it!!!!! It dovetails nicely with what we're learning here. Well, it does if you skip the religious stuff.
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The doorknob you touched yesterday is entirely unique from the one today. (One that has of course interacted with other aspects of our perspective that would be called "past" and, thus, seems like the same from yesterday.)
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There was a day when I could not remember how to open the back door to my house. I don't drink or get high or anything like that, and I am not that old to where I am doddering. I knew that I could go through the door, but I was lost for a moment in how to accomplish that. My eyes were attracted to the shiny brass-colored doorknob and I actually had to fool around with it before I remembered how to turn it and push the door open.

I have had similar experiences with trying to start my car, run my clothes washer, and cook. There was a moment or two when it all looked new and strange, and I couldn't remember how to operate the thing or what to do with a potato.
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I have been having trouble with formatting my replies. I see that the above post shows that it was quoted by U3. It is actually a quote by Chaol. I even previewed the post and it did not look like what is showing up on the thread.
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This is quite amusing for me to hear how you've discovered that your electronics have 'a mind of their own'.

It's not a Terminator-type scenario where they're waiting to take over or evolving consciousness.
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No, no, of course I do not fear any sort of Terminator-type scenario. If anything, there is much more "please" and "thank you" interaction occurring. I have a greater appreciation for these...um...for these...I don't know what to call them. "Electrons"? "Qubits"? "Energetic particles"?

Anyway, there seems to be a much easier cooperation and conversation going both ways. "They" seem to have their own plans and motivations, and I trust them.
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The doorknob you touched yesterday is entirely unique from the one today. (One that has of course interacted with other aspects of our perspective that would be called "past" and, thus, seems like the same from yesterday.)
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There was a day when I could not remember how to open the back door to my house. I don't drink or get high or anything like that, and I am not that old to where I am doddering. I knew that I could go through the door, but I was lost for a moment in how to accomplish that. My eyes were attracted to the shiny brass-colored doorknob and I actually had to fool around with it before I remembered how to turn it and push the door open.

I have had similar experiences with trying to start my car, run my clothes washer, and cook. There was a moment or two when it all looked new and strange, and I couldn't remember how to operate the thing or what to do with a potato.
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I've had a few of these but would like to have more, heh!
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I have been having trouble with formatting my replies. I see that the above post shows that it was quoted by U3. It is actually a quote by Chaol. I even previewed the post and it did not look like what is showing up on the thread.
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I am Chaol! tounge

Looks like you're having another "moment"....sigh! I hope you can manage to stay online. ;o)
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OK, I just got back from my walk. I saw part of a key ring with a napkin attached to it, on the sidewalk.

My first thought:
so this is how we come up with non-nonsensical symbols?

My second thought:

who lives around me that posts in these theads??????????
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I am Chaol!
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Ding, ding, ding!
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I am Chaol!
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Ding, ding, ding!
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Now, if I could just find me in the hall or by the tree!!!!!!!!!!!

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I'm a big ACIM fan too. What always caught my attention is it says it works even if you don't believe in it!!!!! It dovetails nicely with what we're learning here. Well, it does if you skip the religious stuff.
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The religious stuff can have value as well if you remove the label, 'religious' and read it as stuff written from a different perspective.
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I'm a big ACIM fan too. What always caught my attention is it says it works even if you don't believe in it!!!!! It dovetails nicely with what we're learning here. Well, it does if you skip the religious stuff.
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The religious stuff can have value as well if you remove the label, 'religious' and read it as stuff written from a different perspective.
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No argument there! I find plenty of value from studies that are regarded as being "religious". It is not difficult at all to see that it comes from a different perspective, which, of course, would be a part of my perspective.

I am simply interested in going past those perspectives. That is all. One gets filled up with the religious view points and begins to want to explore further. "Religion", after all, would be a representation of something else.
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I'm a big ACIM fan too. What always caught my attention is it says it works even if you don't believe in it!!!!! It dovetails nicely with what we're learning here. Well, it does if you skip the religious stuff.
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The religious stuff can have value as well if you remove the label, 'religious' and read it as stuff written from a different perspective.
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Yes!
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I'm a big ACIM fan too. What always caught my attention is it says it works even if you don't believe in it!!!!! It dovetails nicely with what we're learning here. Well, it does if you skip the religious stuff.
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The religious stuff can have value as well if you remove the label, 'religious' and read it as stuff written from a different perspective.
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Yes!
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sorry....wasn't logged in. I was an AC for a minute there!!! BECOME SOMEONE ELSE!
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I'm a big ACIM fan too. What always caught my attention is it says it works even if you don't believe in it!!!!! It dovetails nicely with what we're learning here. Well, it does if you skip the religious stuff.
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The religious stuff can have value as well if you remove the label, 'religious' and read it as stuff written from a different perspective.
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No argument there! I find plenty of value from studies that are regarded as being "religious". It is not difficult at all to see that it comes from a different perspective, which, of course, would be a part of my perspective.

I am simply interested in going past those perspectives. That is all. One gets filled up with the religious view points and begins to want to explore further. "Religion", after all, would be a representation of something else.
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Btw, were any of you in the PalTalk ACIM chat room? If so, we might know each other, heh!
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Update:

Have been studying neuronicons a lot.

Working with LeKing on getting a base dictionary and app out.

However, since neuronicons is more about a certain way of thinking as opposed to a translation from english to ecsys, I really want to release it with a better explanation of how ecsys works and how to think in it. Otherwise releasing a base dictionary will cement your thinking in english, which would impede progress.

Will keep yall posted.

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