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Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

 
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Anybody think we got the bridge wide enough....so lots of folks will get through it?

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If anyone has had success in making something "not relevant", I would love to hear about it. I'm still thinking about this, myself.

As he says, ignoring it isn't the answer. I already know this, it doesn't work!
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Yes, definitely! It happens all the time and what is key is non-resistance. Thing is, I can hardly remember the things I have now made non-relevant!
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Do you remember HOW you made them non-relevant?
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I remember how I make things non-relevant....just let go.
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I just wanted to make a post so that I have a record of my progress/process with Neuronics and Genius Models. I've seen a constant development of my perceptual mapping over the last month using Genius Models that build on each other every step of the way through to my final desired perception.

The awesome job is still my final goal, and so far I've used progressive successful Genius Modeling to accomplish the successive steps of: Application, Application Acceptance, Invitation to Test for the Position, Successful Testing, Invitation to Interview, and finally--Successful Interview.

Now I'm just waiting on completion of B.Sun.Th.K.Ong-O.Z.J(dge) and have multiple Genius Models for 'up to' B.Sun.Th.K.Ong-O.Z.J(dge) and after B.sun.Th.K.Ong-O.Z.J(dge).

I'm getting there.

G.Dua
Or.En.B.K
Or.B.Sun
O.Z.J(dge)
B.Sun.Th.K.Ong-O.Z.J(dge)

YEAHHHHHH Buddy!!!!!
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Don't make me put a Genius on you....to get you back here to tell us what happened, heh! j/k or am I??????
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Seth: "Now there is a point within each of you, at this moment, in this room
at this time, that is a connection with all of reality that you can ever know
and this point is a point of feeling. Not of words, not of concepts, not of
trial and error, but the point of existence within you that is now present and
of which you are all aware. The point from which you run from morning until
evening. The point of reality within you that you try to escape because you are
afraid of reality and unwilling to accept the responsibilities of it and so you
form pseudo-realities.
>
> Now, this point is within you at this moment and each moment and it is a point
of feeling and awareness. Consciousness poised between exquisite points of
imbalance. A knowledge that sings above non-existence. A joy beyond all concept
and its threshold is your own feeling. You must learn, therefore, to accept the
feeling of any moment. To cut down the barriers, not between yourselves and
others, so much as the barriers that you have set up against yourselves. To
recognize within yourself the power that exists within you at any given moment
of your time, and do not look away from it. To examine one instant of your
feelings clearly, to some extent, is to realize what truth is and the truth is
emotional." ESP Session, Mar. 2 `71
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I found this and it kinda goes with that ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^



The Early Sessions, Book 7, Session 309




"Other psychological structures beside your own have their being in realities you will find difficult to comprehend, even though they may be connected with your own, and you unknowingly, may be part of them. What you may term the reality of possibilities is an example. There are many yous in that system, and each you is related psychologically to a personality structure. The you that you know is a part of this. In this system, all the other yous seem to exist in a probable reality."

"To any of them, the others would seem to exist in a probable universe. Yet all of you are psychologically connected. This is literally endless. All of you did not have the same parents, for example, and these are portions of probable situations existing in your own parents' separate lives, as you think of their lives."

"In two probable realities, your mother, for example, did not have children. You do not exist in these. In some she married but not the man you know as your father. A psychological connection exits between the first son in that reality, and yourself."

"In some probable systems, you and your mother would both exist, do both exist, but as complete strangers, you see. Now these psychological connections are valid and not merely symbolically so. This self that you know has also set up and initiated probable realities of its own. I mean this literally, you see. I want to make this clear."

"Emotional charged feeling immediately set up what you may think of a tangent. It is expressed in some reality system. This is the inner nature of action. Those inner thoughts or desires, impulses not made physically real in your terms, will be made real within other systems."



I have no idea why I'm reading the Seth material instead of the rest of Chaol's threads, but I'll get back to it.
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VERY interesting...

[link to 67.55.50.201]
 Quoting: TechDodec 20177375





Emerald Tablets offers the same thing (but a different path) as the Lilly organization:

[link to crystalinks.com]



"Now ye assemble, my children,
waiting to hear the Secret of Secrets
which shall give ye power to unfold the God-man,
give ye the way to Eternal life.

Plainly shall I speak of the Unveiled Mysteries.
No dark sayings shall I give unto thee.
Open thine ears now, my children.
Hear and obey the words that I give.
First I shall speak of the fetters of darkness
which bind ye in chains to the sphere of the Earth.
Darkness and light are both of one nature,
different only in seeming,
for each arose from the source of all.
Darkness is disorder.
Light is Order.

Darkness transmuted is light of the Light.
This, my children, your purpose in being;
transmutation of darkness to light.
Hear ye now of the mystery of nature,
the relations of life to the Earth where it dwells.
Know ye, ye are threefold in nature,
physical, astral and mental in one.
Three are the qualities of each of the natures;
nine in all, as above, so below.

In the physical are these channels,
the blood which moves in vortical motion,
reacting on the heart to continue its beating.
Magnetism which moves through the nerve paths,
carrier of energies to all cells and tissues.
Akasa which flows through channels,
subtle yet physical, completing the channels.
Each of the three attuned with each other,
each affecting the life of the body.

Form they the skeletal framework through
which the subtle ether flows.
In their mastery lies the Secret of Life in the body.
Relinquished only by will of the adept,
when his purpose in living is done.
Three are the natures of the Astral,
mediator is between above and below;
not of the physical, not of the Spiritual,
but able to move above and below.

Three are the natures of Mind,
carrier it of the Will of the Great One.
Arbitrator of Cause and Effect in thy life.
Thus is formed the threefold being,
directed from above by the power of four.

Above and beyond man's threefold nature
lies the realm of the Spiritual Self.
Four is it in qualities,
shining in each of the planes of existence,
but thirteen in one,
the mystical number.

Based on the qualities of man are the Brothers:
each shall direct the unfoldment of being,
each shall channels be of the Great One.

On Earth, man is in bondage,
bound by space and time to the earth plane.
Encircling each planet, a wave of vibration,
binds him to his plane of unfoldment.
Yet within man is the Key to releasement,
within man may freedom be found.

When ye have released the self from the body,
rise to the outermost bounds of your earth-plane.
Speak ye the word Dor-E-Lil-La.
Then for a time your Light will be lifted,
free may ye pass the barriers of space.

For a time of half of the sun (six hours),
free may ye pass the barriers of earth-plane,
see and know those who are beyond thee.
Yea, to the highest worlds may ye pass.
See your own possible heights of unfoldment,
know all earthly futures of Soul.

Bound are ye in your body,
but by the power ye may be free.
This is the Secret whereby bondage
shall be replaced by freedom for thee.
Calm let thy mind be.
At rest be thy body:
Conscious only of freedom from flesh.

Center thy being on the goal of thy longing.
Think over and over that thou wouldst be free.
Think of this word La-Um-I-L-Ganoover
and over in thy mind let it sound.
Drift with the sound to the place of thy longing.
Free from the bondage of flesh by thy will.

Hear ye while I give the greatest of secrets:
how ye may enter the Halls of Amenti,
enter the place of the immortals as I did,
stand before the Lords in their places.
Lie ye down in rest of thy body.

Calm thy mind so no thought disturbs thee.
Pure must ye be in mind and in purpose,
else only failure will come unto thee.

Vision Amenti as I have told in my Tablets.
Long with fullness of heart to be there.
Stand before the Lords in thy mind's eye.

Pronounce the words of power I give (mentally);
Mekut-El-Shab-El Hale-Sur-Ben-El-Zabrut Zin-Efrim-Quar-El.
Relax thy mind and thy body.
Then be sure your soul will be called.

Now give I the Key to Shambbalah,
the place where my Brothers live in the darkness:
Darkness but filled with Light of the Sun
Darkness of Earth, but Light of the Spirit,
guides for ye when my day is done.

Leave thou thy body as I have taught thee.
Pass to the barriers of the deep, hidden place.
Stand before the gates and their guardians.
Command thy entrance by these words:

I am the Light. In me is no darkness.
Free am I of the bondage of night.
Open thou the way of the Twelve and the One,
so I may pass to the realm of wisdom.

When they refuse thee, as surely they will,
command them to open by these words of power:
I am the Light. For me are no barriers.
Open, I command, by the Secret of Secrets
Edom-El-Ahim-Sabbert-Zur Adom.
Then if thy words have been Truth of the highest,
open for thee the barriers will fall.

Now, I leave thee, my children.
Down, yet up, to the Halls shall I go.
Win ye the way to me, my children.
Truly my brothers shall ye become.
Thus finish I my writings.

Keys let them be to those who come after.
But only to those who seek my wisdom,
for only for these am I the Key and the Way."
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New dream meet anyone? With a twist this time too. The main reason for my creation of this device is because we gain the ad- vantage of having a definite physical plane basis, and being a more stable link than a purely mental image.
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New dream meet anyone? With a twist this time too. The main reason for my creation of this device is because we gain the ad- vantage of having a definite physical plane basis, and being a more stable link than a purely mental image.
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Count me in....and I'm headed over to the other thread! I like the idea of group events...one of the reasons being that when we put our minds together, I think we can come up with something that will really work....besides the obvious of being connected at some level.


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any luck with assigning values to your perceptions?
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any luck with assigning values to your perceptions?
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what do you mean?

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These are supposed to be WW2 monuments in Yugoslavia...but that's not what they look like to me. You be the judge.
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Anyone else completely amused by how ridiculous the reality being presented to us by the media is these days?
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have you seen the commercial on tv about chickenpox and shingles?
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REMEMBER:

Chaol told us to ask why we see lying in our perspective!
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I don't understand. You said that you can only interact with the representation of a Ferrari, never with the actual Ferrari, because the actual Ferrari doesn't exist. You also said that when you look at the moon (or something or SOMEONE else) you are just perceiving a value/relationship with the thing (or person)... I assumed that's because the person doesn't acutally exist. You also said that when you're in your living room, nothing exists outside your living room until you perceive it. That would mean that my husband and child don't really exist until they enter the living room where I can perceive them. In other words, other people don't actually exist. Am I getting this wrong? I'm totally confused now.
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To clarify!

It would mean that everything exists within your current perspective.

A "holographic universe", if you will.

The entire physical universe exists within your perception.

... you can say, because there is only perception.

Perception is real. Nothing exists outside of your perception.

Your husband is always in your perception. Every touch, smell, taste, thought, etc., entirely within your perception.

He exists as much as he could possibly exist and is as real as he could possibly be.

Everywhere you 'go', you bring your perception with you.

That is why nothing need exist outside of your perception.

It is not that your husband walks into the living room, but he is "walking into your perception". Or, better yet, you are changing your current perspective back to one with him in it.

Hope this helps a bit.
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First time I've seen Chaol use "holographic"...very helpful to me.

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Why do you choose to perceive this reality instead of the relatively enlightened reality where you come from?
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Greetings!

Perhaps the same reasoning behind a person who can afford to buy the biggest house but not doing so because it probably isn't in line with their values, desires, etc.

I don't think of it as a more enlightened reality. It's just different. I actually find this world more interesting. The possibilities are also more known to me than in some other places.

Also, the fifth element is the number 8 correct? The representation of infinity or that which cannot be perceived.Like a projection that will never have the ability to perceive the projector.
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The fifth element doesn't really exist. It is no number. If it was a number it would be 0.

Is there meaning attributed to the next set of numbers such as 13, 21, and so on?
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No meaning besides proportional value-within-value, to infinitum.

If you multiply a Fibonacci number by the first 3 values of Ecsys in sequence (123) you get an other, currently unknown, Fibonacci number series hiding inside of it.

For example the 33rd Fibonacci number (3,524,578) plus the 13th number (233) divided by 123 is the 23rd Fibonacci number (28,657). Within that there is an other hidden series, and so on.

The meaning of the Fibonacci series is not really in "13, 21, 34, 55" etc., but in these hidden values.

Is the golden ratio a part of our perspective or all possible perspectives? Meaning that the is a universal constant.
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The golden ratio represents a value that other perspectives interpret for themselves. Even within your perspective it is this way, and not called such.

Other than that I can only say that most perspectives that I know about do not use mathematics as we know it. I cannot begin to explain how this is possible using English.

Though...

We think we are measuring time when we are actually measuring the movements of a clock.

We think we are measuring space when we are actually measuring the yardstick.

And maths is the structure of our perception, not the ultimate reality.

Also, it seems with your vast perspective experiences you would be able to move into the next level of perception, why do you remain here?


Love your thought process btw
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That's the same thing I could ask all of you.

We're all capable of so much more, but there is value in each reality. And life can be interesting anywhere. Sometimes you can just decide to stay in the place most comfortable to you, not necessarily the most advanced.

Thanks.
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MATH POST, MATH POST!!!!!!

According to Chaol, math is the structure of our perception, not the ultimate reality!!!!! (I thought math is the ultimate reality!)

Edit: Look what I found:
Thread: I found a pattern in Fibonacci numbers....this is probably known already, but it not, here you go....

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<<What happens when you die? Does your perspective end and a new one begin? Is it on the same "Earth"? Or do you experience a completely new perspective? I will ask this specific question since a person who posted awhile ago was too vague. Clearly there are dimensional or probability travelers like yourself. Lets just call you a perspective slider. Is it possible to physically travel to another reality through a wormhole or other spatial fold? Are there extraterrestrial beings in this reality? Meaning beings that evolved on other planets and travel here on ships. Are there extraterrestrial dimensional travelers visiting this reality? Meaning they evolved on another planet besides Earth in a parallel reality then discovered the technology to travel dimensionally.

Thanks!>>
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Hello!

"Death" is a drastic change of perspective. Nothing ever truly dies, as perspectives don't die.

When you "die" you just change perspective. Or, rather, "float" from one relative perspective to the next. You're doing it at each moment. But sometimes these shifts line up with other shifts and then it seems like the spirit is gone from the body.

If you mean me, I'm not sure. There's no one set experience of "death" so there's no one answer.

About wormholes or spatial folds, I know next to no thing. Such things aren't necessary to travel to other places. But when things haven't been invented "yet" then all manner of fantastical solutions are invented. Any point in your perspective can be highly relative to an other point seemingly far away.

What do you mean by extraterrestrial beings? Are clouds such beings? How about certain kinds of light? Air pressure? Other phenomenon? All these things are ignored while the search for extra-terrestrial life continues. It's all right under our noses. We're probably looking more for ourselves rather than beings from other worlds. This world is far, far from ready for such revelations. Better to discover the 99% of life on Earth that has not yet been.

"Planets" only matter when you come from planets. But visitors from other worlds similar to Earth don't really make it here that often, save for those from Earth and its relative worlds. The vast majority of "extra terrestrial beings" that visit are from Earth, technically-speaking. There are many, many Earths.

Some Earths are quite relative. You could be from an other yourself and not know it. Some Earths are not so relative to this one. All are linked.

Hope this helps a bit
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Why do you find this reality interesting?
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Good question!

Basically, I like the people. I've met some really nice people here. Not to say there aren't nice people in other places but I've got to live somewhere, I suppose.

Thanks.
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Interesting!
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Chaol doesn't talk about emotions much. I'm just now realizing I don't find posts about it.

Hmmmmmm, will write a note to look for that while I read his threads!
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Chaol doesn't talk about emotions much. I'm just now realizing I don't find posts about it.

Hmmmmmm, will write a note to look for that while I read his threads!
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They are potential energy.
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Chaol doesn't talk about emotions much. I'm just now realizing I don't find posts about it.

Hmmmmmm, will write a note to look for that while I read his threads!
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They are potential energy.
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What do you mean?


Here's something I found that Chaol said.....
Thread: Neuronics: The future of humanity (Humanity without physicality) (Page 3)


"Perceptions are feelings.

The most-relative parts of you may not feel these things because the less-relative parts already express these feelings.

They're still your perceptions, even if you don't agree with them.

You don't need to feel it, as other 'parts of you' are feeling it for you."
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There is a series of books called, Right Use of Will...it's all about clearing emotions so your will is free......ACIM teaches the same thing but these books go into what happens to the energy when it's not released....and it's not a pretty sight, let me tell ya.

Remember Chaol saying we are making the crop circles? That's just a small hint about what happens to the energy. And, you have to read the books to find out more. I don't remember anything except it seems like dinosaurs were mentioned. (I read some of them years ago.)


Seth talks about it too:

"When the ego impedes such expression, then the emotions are translated into other actions, and can turn into impediments."

Anyway, this video is a reading of a small part of the first book:







Edit: Btw, I'm not saying I agree with everything in this series. And the books have to be read in order. Also, they are written to trigger our emotions. Many people throw the books away, etc:.

Here's the website:
[link to www.rightuseofwill.com]

Someone else talking about it:
[link to summerjoy.com]

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Have you seen the film, Mr Nobody? The story could have been written by us on this thread.
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Just thought I'd mention......this movie is funny and freaky watching it, this time around. Thanks for bringing it to our attention!
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Hi all!
Remember what Chaol said about a magnet in your hand?
I think this is similar.

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Hi all!
Remember what Chaol said about a magnet in your hand?
I think this is similar.

[link to www.youtube.com]
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That's cool...sign me up!
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Ah, okay. So in the case of looking at "what I really want" is it accurate that you are speaking in terms of the dissolution of lack, or, in the negative? As in, "what I really want" being "no bills" or "no walls"?

Let's say what I really want is a chocolate mint ice-cream cone. Should I look at this and make the choco mint ice-cream cone irrelevant? Or are you suggesting I look at the lack of the ice-cream cone (What I want being "not not having the ice-cream cone") and make that irrelevant?

Thanks for sticking through this, I realize how convoluted it is. Again, appreciate clarity!
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To add...

remember that a chocolate mint ice cream cone is an illusion. So when you, for example, 'wish' for it you are not really wishing for anything because there is no ice cream cone.

You have to wish around it. Meaning, you are bringing the perspective about that contains the ice cream cone relationships.

What does it mean to engage new ice cream cone perspectives? Well, think about what it means. Maybe someone else wants to have a bite.. who is it? You need napkins. What do they look like? It makes you thirsty. What's your drink? Darn, it fell on the carpet! What do you need to use to clean it up? It makes you feel happy and bloated afterwards. What is that like and when else have you felt that way?

The ice cream cone exists only in these relationships.

Perceive the relationships and the cone will begin to be experienced.


(The cone itself is irrelevant. However, the cone can become more relevant by perceiving its relationships. Don't think about the cone directly.)

Hope this helps :)
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Review post!!!
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One thing you may want to prepare for, psychologically, is the possibility of having people from an other world make themselves known on Earth.

I do not know if it is by craft, teleportation, car, bus, or train. But it should be before the year is out.

"How far do I go?"
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For the curious...

the recent events in the skies and below ground are the 'logical steps' before this kind of contact (as noted in the quote above).

We are redefining what is above our heads and below our feet as we expand our perspective, and this is a part of that. We are growing in all directions. Some of us are even getting plump and juicy! lol

There are tremendous seas of lava now shifting below your feet (as I've pointed out in the Farpoint Station thread) and tremendous seas of 'space lava' shifting above your head, too.

These are representations of course. As we progress we will redefine what they are.

The lava under your feet will be reinterpreted as something else, as will the symbols above your head.

The 'return of the gods', indeed. That is to say, re-membering your expanded perspective.
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Aha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Hi, all. I was banned for awhile. I am surprised I can get back on this quickly.

While banned, I went in another direction. My soul is singing to me!

I am seeing really wild stuff, as if it is leaking through the regular scenery. When I close my eyes, I see beautiful things! Just beautiful!

Don't know if I am going crazy. Maybe. If so, it's a lot of fun. Kind of like a mild LSD trip.

I had a cool dream last night where I was hanging out with Michelle and Barack Obama, and their daughters. Had a great time! Lots of laughing!
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Hi, all. I was banned for awhile. I am surprised I can get back on this quickly.

While banned, I went in another direction. My soul is singing to me!

I am seeing really wild stuff, as if it is leaking through the regular scenery. When I close my eyes, I see beautiful things! Just beautiful!

Don't know if I am going crazy. Maybe. If so, it's a lot of fun. Kind of like a mild LSD trip.

I had a cool dream last night where I was hanging out with Michelle and Barack Obama, and their daughters. Had a great time! Lots of laughing!
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Welcome back! You were missed. hf


Your soul went in another direction? Funny you say this. I was reading in ACIM today and realized how it is about going beyond perception altogether!

Anyway, sounds like things are great and I'm happy for you.

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Hi Choal,

A sensory deprivation tank is a sound proof and completely dark tank. It is filled with salt and water heated to the temperature of your body. There is enough salt to float so that your ears are under water, greatly decreasing hearing. When introducing meditation to silence thought then there is nothing being perceived. If it worked perfectly what would the implications of this be?

 Quoting: Dodec 20177375


Hi. Thanks for your patience regarding this. (I've been thinking of a more advanced application that I can easily illustrate in English, per your last line.)

But for sensory deprivation, I would say that it is not possible to deprive the senses. As I mentioned before there is one 'sense' that is interpreted in various ways such as thought, dreams, and what is called five senses of taste, touch, hearing, etc.

If you 'deprive' one of these interpretations your total sense is not affected. That is to say, you are still perceiving at the same level. However, if you decrease your 'hearing sense' then you will increase an other interpretation.

(It is not that it increases. It is more that you pay more attention to the other interpretations.)

It is the same thing when you drift into sleepyland. If you decrease a certain kind of thinking ('alert thought', for example) you will probably become more aware of your dream sense (your dream interpretation of your reality).

However, you were dreaming all along. You just did not interpret your relationships that way so much. (i.e., you weren't really paying attention to it)

So if your sensory deprivation chamber worked perfectly then you would just become more aware of one of your other interpretations of reality. Perhaps you'd pay more attention to your dreams, for example.

Can a symbol change? Let's say I had a symbol that represented automated income, could it change into something like a symbol that represents a golden era of happiness for all? Does this mean that I logically view a golden era as the most relative and logical way to achieve some sort of automated income. Or maybe because my goals have changed and I have little use for money that it is allowing me to continue on my path.
 Quoting: Dodec 20177375


The symbol does not change. An interpretation of the symbol's relationship with other symbols changes.

Really, there is no symbol. None of these symbols (from which you perceive the relationships) actually exist. A symbol only has value in relation to other symbols. So we're not perceiving of the symbol itself but the relationships between them. (What I call the geometry of relationships.)

But for your example, the "golden era of happiness for all" symbol would be quite difficult to represent. You would be representing it from your current perspective. However, you may not be aware of how your other perspectives see it. Thus, it is not likely that you are interpreting your symbol as having changed into it. It is more likely that you are not paying attention to how it is working in your perspective.

Not that you did, but if you created a "golden era of happiness for all" symbol it may turn into the "parade of monkeys from hell" 10 logical steps down the road. In fact, I'm guessing it would because then your total perspective would respond to your passive declaration of, "I know what happiness means for everyone."

Really, there is no need to concern yourself with anyone else in the sense that you see a separation. (This is why, oftentimes, when we help someone else it evolves that our help makes them worse off. Because at the time, in these cases, we had not realized the separation between us and them is an illusion. The less you realize that you and an other person is the same thing the more conflict you would experience.)

So it may be that you view but you are seeing a 'golden era of happiness for all' and are missing how it logically applies to your intention.

Also, "logical right now" and "logical" are a bit different. This one is a bit tricky because we tend to think we know what would logically come next.

You'll notice that I normally append 'all things considered' when I mention 'the next logical step'. Because a more total perspective must be considered.

So something may happen to you that does not make sense. We can say that this is completely logical, all things (in your perspective) considered, but perhaps not logical for a few values in your perspective.

For example, George may wonder why he got hurt when he asked his best friend for help. "It doesn't make sense", he may exclaim. "I did everything I could. I tried to see how I could best help my friend and I asked nicely. But he just got upset and me and said I was treating him like a baby."

But George is forgetting that there are more values in the geometry of relationships than what is most on his mind at this moment. He is also not considering that both he and his friend are his interpretations.

When he desires to help his friend, does he realize that he wants to help himself? Does he believe his motives to be self-less. It may seem a noble thing, to help someone else, but it may actually work against him if he does not consider that his friend is him. All of what he knows and feels about his friend exist entirely within his own perception.

Also, of course, there may be a lot of things he is ignoring in his own perspective. Perhaps it was not easy to help his friend. He had to jump through hoops to position himself to help his friend. He was actually working against the natural course of things, which creates further conflict.

He then sees nature putting him back into place (putting himself again in the path of least resistance) as a kind of punishment or conflict in his reality.

He focuses on help but ignores the more valuable Relationship. Instead of interacting with him he communicates to himself about how he can best help him. He seeks to be the hero (further resisting himself as his friend) if only for a short time. Again, all the while ignoring the value of the relationships and also basic interaction.

So, again, something may be logical in a more expansive way but may not make sense to you if you are ignoring certain relationships. (Your relationship with more things.)

There is different kind of logic, of course. Each perspective is a logic.

If you have a symbol that represents 'automated income' you should probably further define that that is and what it means. (Automated how, and income of what?)

You may get exactly what you wanted but it may not make sense to you because you did not realize that there are different kinds of perspective. Perhaps you'd win a lifetime supply of peanuts or every Monday at 6pm your neighbor visits you (automated income).

Or perhaps it would become 'a golden era of happiness for all of what I am', depending on your interpretation.

So basically you would do well to define 'automated income' for more than your current perspective. Find out exactly what you mean. If you need multiple representations that's fine. At least you will have then focused your perspective on it.

If it appeared that your symbol changed into 'golden era of happiness for all' perhaps it is because that is how your your more expansive perspective interpreted it.

It's not about goals at all. It is only about relationships. So it is possible that your relationships with money [I'm not sure if this is how you defined 'income', though] had changed. As your relationships change so would your reality.

Would the golden era of happiness for all have to include some sort of automated income for it to become relative and the symbol to change. Or does automated income have to become irrelevant for it to become relative.

I guess I am just a little confused on how symbols transform.

 Quoting: Dodec 20177375


Something is relative through its relationships with you.

If you are a classical pirate searching for buried treasure, for example, you would begin by creating relationships with what you perceive to be the reality of the buried treasure.

You begin to 'perceive' the buried treasure is in a dark cavern with a waterfall with bats perched above it, for example, in a daydream. (The pirate begins to see it in his current perspective. You current perspective, of course, would include your thoughts, dreams, senses, etc.)

He can then develop a relationship with waterfalls and bats in order to bring the reality of the buried treasure nearer.

Think 'six degrees of separation'. You want to meet Kevin Bacon so you start by meeting the person that is closest to you in order to get there. Each logical step is a degree of separation.

You would not start out by finding buried treasure. That would probably not work. You need to uncover the logical path to it. You find it, in a way, through peripheral perspective.

Is there only one symbol needed initially, or should we always be trying to transform that symbol until the symbol is the representation? In the case of the table to spaceship, at first the symbol for the space ship is the table, but after the table drawer is opened and the science paper is found, does following the path of least resistance mean that the spaceship is now symbolized in the paper.

I believe this is where most people are stuck in ecsys. Perhaps you can elaborate on the path of least resistance and relativity.

Following a symbol I made a few months ago has led me to take a year off of Dental school. I am enjoying the ride but I would really like to take my understanding of ecsys to greater levels.
 Quoting: Dodec 20177375


When using symbols be sure to begin with a new symbol that has little value to your current perspective. (If you use a plain table then the table all ready has a value associated with it in your perspective, and would thus cloud your experience.) Usually this is accomplished by creating a new thing.

If you want to transform the table into something new in order to uncover the spaceship, that can work too. This is because you are re-interpreting what the table is. You are realizing the nature of perspective. That there is no time or space between the table and the spaceship, only your illusion of the separation.

At first the table is the table. Then you re-interpret what the table is, creating logical steps to your spaceship. You don't need to know what the 5th step will be or how it will make sense later. Your map need only include the next step, not the total steps.

(This is because if you are at 'Step 1' it is impossible for you to interpret 'Step 5' from the perspective of 'Step 4'. Your interpretation of Step 5 would then be from Step 1's perspective, and that would be useless because it would change by the time you got there.)

When you open the drawer you are already re-interpreting it as something else. You begin to see the table as the spaceship itself. You then de-anchor it from its tableness and see more of how it is connected with all things. Perhaps you'll just see that it's composed of wood and then observe the pieces of wood and think about how wood can be made into other things. Perhaps it is the shape. Perhaps if you bring it close to your nose and absorb the scent that it will smell like cookies and you will think about how the table is a giant cookie and there are cookies on your spaceship.

It's all about relationships and creating a logical path to an other perspective.

Any chance for some more advanced topics?
 Quoting: Dodec 20177375


Yes. It will be in my next post.

I hope the above has helped in some way. Thanks.
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