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Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

 
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Look what I just found......

Here's the home page:
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OK...this is helpful................

[link to web.archive.org]



Working with the model a bit further and applying context we can discover many things about a unified field:

Matter
is always more attracted to less structured elements (less massive, less particulate) than itself and repelled by more structured elements than itself. Matter of similar structure (similar mass and particulate) eventually group together.

Matter is gravity that has been structured (with particulate).

Gravity's "force" is lessened upon interaction with particles, creating repulsion. Particles more structured than gravity, such as light, it will repel. (Although light is attracted to gravity at the same time.)

When there are more particles in an energy field there is gravitational repulsion. When there are less particles in an energy field there is gravitational attraction. (1+2=3)

"Black Holes" are fields of unstructured potential energy.

When different forces are applied to gravity, we get less interactive expressions such as light waves and sound waves.

When sound is less structured it becomes light. (Particles of energy provide structure)

There are no gravitons. There are, instead, associations of gravity.

Gravity is not a property of matter and space. Matter is, instead, a property of gravity.

Gravity is not constant. The nature of gravitational interaction (i.e., "constant of proportionality") is a constant, however.

The unifying force of all that exists is consciousness. We can only observe what is in our perception. The "unified field" is a field of consciousness.

In its natural state, matter "moves faster" than the observed speed of light (though light is a kind of matter). However, in observation, the speed of light as will appear to be the speed limit.

Everything observed (including photons) is matter.



Mass


Working with a basic model we can discover things about the nature of mass:

Mass is a function of particles rather than a property of either matter or particulate. It is not an element in the 'unified field' model.

Gravity affects matter's mass depending on how it interacts with the particulates.

The amount of matter associated with an object depends upon the gravitational interaction with that object and every other object/space. Its mass increases proportionally according to how unstructured the gravitational interaction is for an object of constant particulate. However, a constant gravitational interaction will decrease mass if it 'combines' with an object of decreasing particulate.

Gravity is everywhere at once. Gravity facilitates particulate, which causes gravitational interaction of particulate and results in matter. Gravity interacting with more particulate results in matter having more mass.

Matter with less mass causes gravitational attraction. matter with more mass causes gravitational repulsion. (This repulsion is more of a lack of gravitational attraction due to matter becoming more structured with particulate. However, a thing can be both attracted to and repelled by something at the same time; due to the dynamism of the universe attraction and repulsion are not in opposition when the gravitational aggregate is considered.)

Constructions of matter will repel other constructions that have more mass, and attract those with less mass. With constructions of approximately similar mass the two constructions will group more together.

Mass is relative and depends on time/space differential. (For example, if there were only two stars in the universe, on opposite ends, they would initially be quite attracted to one-another the closer they became (i.e., the more interactive) the more their mass would repel one-another.)



Time, Space, and Infinity


Working with a model we can discover some things about time and space:

We travel through space by providing more energy than our interactions require (i.e., when we unstructure more potential energy than our interactions require, we perceive the difference as spatial movement). We are attracted to less structured interactions and repelled by more structured interactions.

We travel through time by providing more energy than our interactions require (i.e., when we unstructure more potential energy than our interactions require, we perceive the difference as going forward through time).

This formula can be simplified as: 2+3=5

If we provide less energy than our interactions require, we are more motionless in space (structuring potential energy more than we are not).

If we provide less energy than our interactions require, we go backwards through time (structuring potential energy more than we are not).

This formula can be simplified as: 3-2=1

Now / here cannot be perceived nor experienced. It is an unstructured representation and, for all intents and purposes, does not exist. Because it is unstructured it cannot be perceived. Every perception we have can either be past or future. However, because 'past' is more structured than is 'future' we perceive past much more readily.

When we structure potential energy more, as related to time, it becomes 'past' more. (i.e., providing structure to 'future' makes it more 'past')

When we unstructure potential energy more, as related to time, it becomes 'future' more. (e.g., interacting and associating with 'past' representations expands the potential energy of those representations)

The absolute past and absolute future are the same.

The past is not completely structured and the future is not completely unstructured.

When the totality of something cannot be grasped, it appears infinite.

A clock does not measure time but the speed and movement of its components. We cannot properly ascribe a real physical counterpart to something that is only a mathematical variable.

The key to understanding how the universe works is by understanding the variable of time whose nature is completely and wholly within our perception.

Space is not a substance. It does not curve because space is not physical.

[For commentary and more, please refer to the time section on the consciousness page.]



Particles and Waves

Some conjectures related to particle and wave phenomena present themselves in a basic Ecsys model:

Matter is composed of both particles and waves in the same way that our perception of "now" (i.e., not "absolute now") is composed of both structure and unstructure. The fluctuating difference of the particle/wave phenomena is perceived as matter, exactly as the fluctuating difference between the past/future phenomena is perceived as "now".

A wave minus potential energy is a particle (3-2=1)

A particle plus potential energy is a wave (1+2=3)

Matter is the "result" of structuring and unstructuring potential energy, resulting in a continuous stream of structured, interactive representations.

Light is not spread uniformly throughout the universe. It will interact more with objects/matter that have more mass and interact less with objects/matter or less density. (e.g., celestial objects with less mass will not attract as many unstructured particles such as light as more massive objects do.)"




When I experience now.....when I stop thinking of past or future.....what am I experiencing? I know I've tried and tried to experience nothing.......but there is always something!!!!!!

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I was feeling kind of philosophical, so...

I still don't understand how there is no one here, yet we are learning how to use a Genius for perceptions of our choice.

Talking about a Genius for perceptions of our choice, that concept applies to this forum and thread. I can open a laptop, with the intent of finding information about a particular topic, find a forum discussion with ideas from people all over the world and receive ideas related to what I was thinking about. In theory, a similar way of doing this would be to create a device, like a piece of wire fencing (maybe chicken wire) with leaves woven in and some twine tied to the corners to blow in the wind, tie it to a pole, and stake it in the ground. When activated, it will capture the ideas/thoughts related to what I want to know. Whenever I want to find information about a topic, I can go out, kick the base of it, insert a light bulb in the top of the pole, place my hand on the pole, close my eyes and receive a download of the ideas related to the topic. Of course I would need a clear mind and focus to recognize fleeting thought which could be part of the download. Then, when done, I take my hand off the pole, kick the base, remove the light bulb and process the information. I could leave it with a search request for capturing thoughts related to a different topic, but in Genius theory, this is about the same as using a laptop to browse forums.

I've seen All That Is as a puzzle I put together with Ec strings. In this experience, I understood these puzzle pieces are what I call gods.

I don't understand how I know I am creating past and future right now....yet a bridge is closing and won't be available for another 30 years!

I don't understand how I keep perceiving a "spiritual" leader who keeps disappearing.


You know, I don't understand what you wrote in the puzzle pieces sentence, but your use of these symbols to understand your experiences is just as valid as anything Chaol would say. Someone could read your posts and decide that your experiences are amazing and beyond what they know about so they follow you as their spiritual leader. Because you must have more answers than they do. But perhaps their own experiences are slightly different, their own symbolism slightly different so they have a hard time conceiving of the ideas you present, such as gods and puzzle pieces. But they wrack their brains trying to make it work. Because you must know better. But there are an infinite number of ways into heaven, each way unique to each point of perception, each right in its own way. Instead of fighting their own experiences, trying to make theirs match yours and shove a square peg into a round hole, they may be better off letting go and allowing themselves to be their own spiritual leader, trusting that all that is perceived is just a reflection and all along, they were just looking at themselves. When they look for answers in a reflection, they then realize the answers were just coming from themselves.

I don't understand why I'm told things and have experienced things....that indicate a future experience, that doesn't happen....yet sometimes, they do happen!

In theory, as I understand it, futures are just probabilities. You are magnetizing to yourself at any moment a most likely future based on current beliefs, intent and actions. The next moment, you could holding a stronger focus on a different intent, perhaps have modified a belief or are doing things you've never done before. This changes what you are magnetizing to yourself, creating different most likely futures. You have a certain momentum going toward a future is likely to manifest, such that even if you changed your intent, you may still experience what's coming down the manifestation pipeline until your new state of mind has charged its new beliefs sufficiently. Of course this is just a symbolic way of conceptualizing the process. Beliefs are just a relationship you have with something. So future experiences are not guaranteed unless you are consciously creating them with focus, intent and action.

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Chaol hasn't logged in here for 29 days and I don't think he does it for us....I think he checks the conditions before he leaves.
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Chaol "left" on January 15, 2013. He logged back on a month later on February 11, 2013. This website can be read without logging on. He can "check conditions" by simply typing in the url. He logs on to let us know that he is around. He doesn't have to do this if he doesn't want to.
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...they may be better off letting go and allowing themselves to be their own spiritual leader, trusting that all that is perceived is just a reflection and all along, they were just looking at themselves. When they look for answers in a reflection, they then realize the answers were just coming from themselves.
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This is what is happening. It is all ourselves. Even Chaol. "There is nothing outside of your perspective".

This is what I have noticed: all of the voices of teachers and advisers, and all of the information from books, videos, forums, journals and wherever one gets information from, all of it is really one Voice. It all issues forth from the same source. There really is not a myriad of individuals with a gabillion different ideas. There is only one source, that is interpreted in a gabillion different ways.

Really good response to U3's questions, btw. Your philosophy is much appreciated.
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You have a certain momentum going toward a future is likely to manifest, such that even if you changed your intent, you may still experience what's coming down the manifestation pipeline until your new state of mind has charged its new beliefs sufficiently.
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This is a really good point. Seth said something along the lines of "no energy projected can be recalled". Meaning, that once the energy is put out there, it grows and there's no stopping it. Even if someone modifies the initial intent so that they don't experience the full force of the energy, that intent will be experienced somewhere in the universe.

...and if it happens anywhere in the universe, you're still going to get a taste of it, eventually.
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Chaol hasn't logged in here for 29 days and I don't think he does it for us....I think he checks the conditions before he leaves.
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Chaol "left" on January 15, 2013. He logged back on a month later on February 11, 2013. This website can be read without logging on. He can "check conditions" by simply typing in the url. He logs on to let us know that he is around. He doesn't have to do this if he doesn't want to.
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Wow, this is a great example of the duality idea. In one quote the glass is half empty, in the other, half full. One reflects self confidence, the other self-doubt. Each sentiment helps to clarify the other. You guys are a good complement to each other.
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I was feeling kind of philosophical, so...

I still don't understand how there is no one here, yet we are learning how to use a Genius for perceptions of our choice.

Talking about a Genius for perceptions of our choice, that concept applies to this forum and thread. I can open a laptop, with the intent of finding information about a particular topic, find a forum discussion with ideas from people all over the world and receive ideas related to what I was thinking about. In theory, a similar way of doing this would be to create a device, like a piece of wire fencing (maybe chicken wire) with leaves woven in and some twine tied to the corners to blow in the wind, tie it to a pole, and stake it in the ground. When activated, it will capture the ideas/thoughts related to what I want to know. Whenever I want to find information about a topic, I can go out, kick the base of it, insert a light bulb in the top of the pole, place my hand on the pole, close my eyes and receive a download of the ideas related to the topic. Of course I would need a clear mind and focus to recognize fleeting thought which could be part of the download. Then, when done, I take my hand off the pole, kick the base, remove the light bulb and process the information. I could leave it with a search request for capturing thoughts related to a different topic, but in Genius theory, this is about the same as using a laptop to browse forums.

I've seen All That Is as a puzzle I put together with Ec strings. In this experience, I understood these puzzle pieces are what I call gods.

I don't understand how I know I am creating past and future right now....yet a bridge is closing and won't be available for another 30 years!

I don't understand how I keep perceiving a "spiritual" leader who keeps disappearing.


You know, I don't understand what you wrote in the puzzle pieces sentence, but your use of these symbols to understand your experiences is just as valid as anything Chaol would say. Someone could read your posts and decide that your experiences are amazing and beyond what they know about so they follow you as their spiritual leader. Because you must have more answers than they do. But perhaps their own experiences are slightly different, their own symbolism slightly different so they have a hard time conceiving of the ideas you present, such as gods and puzzle pieces. But they wrack their brains trying to make it work. Because you must know better. But there are an infinite number of ways into heaven, each way unique to each point of perception, each right in its own way. Instead of fighting their own experiences, trying to make theirs match yours and shove a square peg into a round hole, they may be better off letting go and allowing themselves to be their own spiritual leader, trusting that all that is perceived is just a reflection and all along, they were just looking at themselves. When they look for answers in a reflection, they then realize the answers were just coming from themselves.

I don't understand why I'm told things and have experienced things....that indicate a future experience, that doesn't happen....yet sometimes, they do happen!

In theory, as I understand it, futures are just probabilities. You are magnetizing to yourself at any moment a most likely future based on current beliefs, intent and actions. The next moment, you could holding a stronger focus on a different intent, perhaps have modified a belief or are doing things you've never done before. This changes what you are magnetizing to yourself, creating different most likely futures. You have a certain momentum going toward a future is likely to manifest, such that even if you changed your intent, you may still experience what's coming down the manifestation pipeline until your new state of mind has charged its new beliefs sufficiently. Of course this is just a symbolic way of conceptualizing the process. Beliefs are just a relationship you have with something. So future experiences are not guaranteed unless you are consciously creating them with focus, intent and action.

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Ahhhh! I so enjoyed reading this. TY.

I'm thinking about the first paragraph....I understand I use a Genius in many ways....but it's not conscious. This is what I am trying to learn at this point. But, the question is....if I don't exist (or I'm illusion), who is it that's learning the Genius?



Yes, I fight being my own spiritual leader..... and also letting go of expectations based on my "manifestation pipeline!" (kewl analogy there, thank you) This paragraph explains much to me, Mr/z philosophical! hf


Bottom line: I want someone else in charge! verysad
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Chaol hasn't logged in here for 29 days and I don't think he does it for us....I think he checks the conditions before he leaves.
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Chaol "left" on January 15, 2013. He logged back on a month later on February 11, 2013. This website can be read without logging on. He can "check conditions" by simply typing in the url. He logs on to let us know that he is around. He doesn't have to do this if he doesn't want to.
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Not to split hairs, but Chaol didn't go a month before logging back in. He logged in and out for quite a while after telling us good bye. Sometimes he went several days without logging in and sometimes it was 10 days between times.

He said he was leaving and he did....in that he didn't post. But he kept an eye on us for quite some time. Sorry I didn't keep records...had no idea I'd even end up discussing it, LOL!

I don't agree he does this for us though (if meaning he does it to comfort us or something like that)...but that's ok. It doesn't matter and if he wishes to address this at some time, he will.

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Chaol hasn't logged in here for 29 days and I don't think he does it for us....I think he checks the conditions before he leaves.
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Chaol "left" on January 15, 2013. He logged back on a month later on February 11, 2013. This website can be read without logging on. He can "check conditions" by simply typing in the url. He logs on to let us know that he is around. He doesn't have to do this if he doesn't want to.
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Wow, this is a great example of the duality idea. In one quote the glass is half empty, in the other, half full. One reflects self confidence, the other self-doubt. Each sentiment helps to clarify the other. You guys are a good complement to each other.
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Funny. I don't see the 1/2 empty/full here....but the conclusion of self-doubt.....is right on!
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Look what I just found......

Here's the home page:
[link to ecsys.tumblr.com]
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Thank you so much for this. I can't believe we haven't seen this before, well I haven't. I've been missing Chaol so much lately and I appreciate that I have him in this form. Did anyone know Chaol actually had a Tumblr account? He's been out there all along....
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...they may be better off letting go and allowing themselves to be their own spiritual leader, trusting that all that is perceived is just a reflection and all along, they were just looking at themselves. When they look for answers in a reflection, they then realize the answers were just coming from themselves.
 Quoting: U3

This is what is happening. It is all ourselves. Even Chaol. "There is nothing outside of your perspective".

This is what I have noticed: all of the voices of teachers and advisers, and all of the information from books, videos, forums, journals and wherever one gets information from, all of it is really one Voice. It all issues forth from the same source. There really is not a myriad of individuals with a gabillion different ideas. There is only one source, that is interpreted in a gabillion different ways.

Really good response to U3's questions, btw. Your philosophy is much appreciated.
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Love this, thanks.
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You have a certain momentum going toward a future is likely to manifest, such that even if you changed your intent, you may still experience what's coming down the manifestation pipeline until your new state of mind has charged its new beliefs sufficiently.
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This is a really good point. Seth said something along the lines of "no energy projected can be recalled". Meaning, that once the energy is put out there, it grows and there's no stopping it. Even if someone modifies the initial intent so that they don't experience the full force of the energy, that intent will be experienced somewhere in the universe.

...and if it happens anywhere in the universe, you're still going to get a taste of it, eventually.
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This goes right along with the books I posted a link to a few days ago.....Right Use of Will. She tells in the series what happens to some of the projected energy!

I like how the original poster fit it in with the "manifestation pipeline." Very helpful!!!

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OK...this is helpful................

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Very helpful indeed. Thanks hf
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Look what I just found......

Here's the home page:
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Thank you so much for this. I can't believe we haven't seen this before, well I haven't. I've been missing Chaol so much lately and I appreciate that I have him in this form. Did anyone know Chaol actually had a Tumblr account? He's been out there all along....
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Me too! Even though I know he's a puzzle that I put the pieces together....I still miss him, LOL!

When I read he dropped out of high school, I once again had to laugh. The parallels with my husband are too much.


My husband dropped out, hates this world so much, he has found another place he'd rather be....same as Chaol but who would rather be here.

They are the same age, neither of them do well at ordering at restaurants, both are magical... although Chaol is definitely 2.0 and there is other stuff. All I can say is I know I've put the puzzle pieces together but not consciously.

What really tickles me is both of them are a bit "square" and they are on opposites sides of duality as far as "God" goes, LOL!

As Marshwiggle has told us...it's all so comical!

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Bottom line: I want someone else in charge! verysad
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I understand why you would feel this way. We are raised from birth to defer to authority, beginning with parents to teachers to the 'law'. Schools train us to look to others for answers. But to break free of this, to develop a sense of faith in yourself, a knowing that you are all that you need as guidance, just take small steps to begin. Bear with me. First you need to get yourself a student. Proclaim yourself a spiritual leader and make yourself a student. Remember that movie with Tom Hanks stranded on an island with a ball on which he drew a face? Just make something like that for yourself and talk to it. Spiritual leader to student. When you are contemplating ideas, get your student out and try to teach the idea to him. Any questions that pop into your mind, treat them as if the student asked them. This, in a sense, is practicing to be a leader. It helps to hash ideas out, clarify them, speak them out loud and solidify them. When your idea is expressed to another, especially as teacher to student, it gives it more strength, allows you to explore it more. Think of Chaol as a resource, like a book in a library, or a colleague you may consult from time to time. Sometimes you may agree, sometimes not. But as you explore and develop your own ideas/perspective, you bring your own unique contribution to the universe. Your perspective is unique, never aligning completely with any other perspective but just as valid.

If you would feel funny talking to a ball or some other inanimate object, I will be your student. Just give me a lesson. Your perspective is just as alien to me as Chaol's is, so you might as well be Chaol, same difference.
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Look what I just found......

Here's the home page:
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Thank you so much for this. I can't believe we haven't seen this before, well I haven't. I've been missing Chaol so much lately and I appreciate that I have him in this form. Did anyone know Chaol actually had a Tumblr account? He's been out there all along....
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Ok looks like someone created a tumblr account from the contents of this thread and original ecsys website. Might not actually be Chaol himself. Still helpful though.
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I don't think this has been mentioned before but is an important point.

You have to remember that everything is EVERYTHING... that's alot.... or nothing ;)

We think in terms of concepts generated by language so naturally we will never be able to think in a complete enough way to understand anything.

Thus let go of belief, many deeper "truths" exist in paradox form.

Sure there may really be nothing that exists, but also everything exists.

YOU may really be nothing, but you are also everything. Both the leader and the follower. Thinking in any one concept is a trap of the ego, because it cannot actually be true from another perspective.

There is no truth, there are ideas that seem to point at this truth, but nothing that could ever contain its totality.

Remember from the perspective of "I am unworthy" you will ALWAYS be unworthy. You cannot win, you can only surrender. Even if you get what you want that defies that belief. You are unworthy unless you climb a mountain and then you finally climb it and scream from the mountain tops. You are still unworthy or else you wouldn't be celebrating. There is no escaping, only surrender. Admit defeat and be free.

When stop playing the game, stop thinking from the mind and starting thinking with the heart and feeling with the mind. Start using EC to define new sensations, new feelings, new experiences and then let them become stronger in your perspective. We could do more for our happiness by simply thinking how happiness feels and defining it more than anything accomplished by thinking.

Start living, start exploring what it is like to be and live and experience more and more.
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Bottom line: I want someone else in charge! verysad
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I understand why you would feel this way. We are raised from birth to defer to authority, beginning with parents to teachers to the 'law'. Schools train us to look to others for answers. But to break free of this, to develop a sense of faith in yourself, a knowing that you are all that you need as guidance, just take small steps to begin. Bear with me. First you need to get yourself a student. Proclaim yourself a spiritual leader and make yourself a student. Remember that movie with Tom Hanks stranded on an island with a ball on which he drew a face? Just make something like that for yourself and talk to it. Spiritual leader to student. When you are contemplating ideas, get your student out and try to teach the idea to him. Any questions that pop into your mind, treat them as if the student asked them. This, in a sense, is practicing to be a leader. It helps to hash ideas out, clarify them, speak them out loud and solidify them. When your idea is expressed to another, especially as teacher to student, it gives it more strength, allows you to explore it more. Think of Chaol as a resource, like a book in a library, or a colleague you may consult from time to time. Sometimes you may agree, sometimes not. But as you explore and develop your own ideas/perspective, you bring your own unique contribution to the universe. Your perspective is unique, never aligning completely with any other perspective but just as valid.

If you would feel funny talking to a ball or some other inanimate object, I will be your student. Just give me a lesson. Your perspective is just as alien to me as Chaol's is, so you might as well be Chaol, same difference.
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Astute^^^^^^^^^^^!



Well, how sweet. I don't want to be a spiritual teacher...I'm more like Choal....just an average person, living a life.

Anyway....be someone else...so I'll give it a shot, thanks.

Okaaaaaay, um.......okay, I get hung up on how everything is alive and is everything...and also nothing. So, here's my reply to that........


All is alive and has the potentiality to be anything. It becomes some thing when I/you group it into a relationship with another thing.......to form a perception.

You then see the perception in a certain way.....you can see it in another way according to your choices of putting puzzle pieces together.

It is all alive....no matter what geometry you choose to perceive because it's all made up of the same nothing/everything.


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I don't think this has been mentioned before but is an important point.

You have to remember that everything is EVERYTHING... that's alot.... or nothing ;)

We think in terms of concepts generated by language so naturally we will never be able to think in a complete enough way to understand anything.

Thus let go of belief, many deeper "truths" exist in paradox form.

Sure there may really be nothing that exists, but also everything exists.

YOU may really be nothing, but you are also everything. Both the leader and the follower. Thinking in any one concept is a trap of the ego, because it cannot actually be true from another perspective.

There is no truth, there are ideas that seem to point at this truth, but nothing that could ever contain its totality.

Remember from the perspective of "I am unworthy" you will ALWAYS be unworthy. You cannot win, you can only surrender. Even if you get what you want that defies that belief. You are unworthy unless you climb a mountain and then you finally climb it and scream from the mountain tops. You are still unworthy or else you wouldn't be celebrating. There is no escaping, only surrender. Admit defeat and be free.

When stop playing the game, stop thinking from the mind and starting thinking with the heart and feeling with the mind. Start using EC to define new sensations, new feelings, new experiences and then let them become stronger in your perspective. We could do more for our happiness by simply thinking how happiness feels and defining it more than anything accomplished by thinking.

Start living, start exploring what it is like to be and live and experience more and more.
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And I'll make up a word for giggly happy for no reason......right now...!!!!!!!!

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Funny, today's lesson in ACIM.....meditate on:

"Beyond this world there is a world I want." (Oh yes)
"It is impossible to see two worlds." (Oh really!well, it's one world!)

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Hi my friends!
Sorry I don't participate more, but I've been very busy creating the new, and last,pope.
But I discover recently this blog and I wanted to share it [link to perceptionmap.blogspot.de]

Have you ever saw this?
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Hi my friends!
Sorry I don't participate more, but I've been very busy creating the new, and last,pope.
But I discover recently this blog and I wanted to share it [link to perceptionmap.blogspot.de]

Have you ever saw this?
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As a matter of fact, yes, I have seen this blog before. It cracks me up because I drag links in here all the time, never expecting to see someone posting mine here. lmao


You'll find a new post just for you, miqq. And thanks for the pope, heh! Is he the last one? (according to Cayce and Malachy prophecies, this is supposed to be the last pope)
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are you ready for pi day?
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Seth, The Early Sessions, Book 7, Session 312

"Now. To arrive at any real understanding of human personality several prerequisites must be met."

"For one thing, you are not dealing with one linear self. The self is indeed multidimensional, and the driving force behind the self does not reside in the ego or in what you refer to as the subconscious."

"Any such divisions are of course arbitrary to begin with. Practically speaking a self can be defined as an energy gestalt whose perceptions are organized under the auspices of apparent identity. The more of reality that is perceived the large the dimensions of the self, or identity."

"Now I mean this literally. Reality is on the one hand the product of perception. On the other hand that which is, is always present as the basis for any perception. That which is perceives itself, you see. The unitary self is basically an illusion and yet individuality is no illusion."

"Diversity is a necessity even for that which is. To some extent, that which is must always be lost within itself. Lost in a multiplicity of numberless selves. The selves are self-directing units, however. As you know there are no limitations to any identity. The limitations are illusions. And yet the extent to which the illusions are shattered represents on your level the sparks of the expanding consciousness."

"Until this is realized your psychology will raise more questions than it answers. The basis for all experience is depth perception and value fulfillment. The self organizes data basically in a manner that psychology has not found. The organization of such data is not simply the result of preadulthood tendencies, inclinations or experience. Such tendencies are highly colored by previous existences, by past lives and this prehistory, existing as the electromagnetic property of the whole self, is the blueprint which is followed by the structure of the chromosomes."
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You have a certain momentum going toward a future is likely to manifest, such that even if you changed your intent, you may still experience what's coming down the manifestation pipeline until your new state of mind has charged its new beliefs sufficiently.
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This is a really good point. Seth said something along the lines of "no energy projected can be recalled". Meaning, that once the energy is put out there, it grows and there's no stopping it. Even if someone modifies the initial intent so that they don't experience the full force of the energy, that intent will be experienced somewhere in the universe.

...and if it happens anywhere in the universe, you're still going to get a taste of it, eventually.
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Chaol wrote about this:

9/19/2012
Whatever you miss you will experience at an other time.

Whatever you don't choose will choose you later, in some way.
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a poster tells about the new pope.....2/17/13



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You have a certain momentum going toward a future is likely to manifest, such that even if you changed your intent, you may still experience what's coming down the manifestation pipeline until your new state of mind has charged its new beliefs sufficiently.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1571103

This is a really good point. Seth said something along the lines of "no energy projected can be recalled". Meaning, that once the energy is put out there, it grows and there's no stopping it. Even if someone modifies the initial intent so that they don't experience the full force of the energy, that intent will be experienced somewhere in the universe.

...and if it happens anywhere in the universe, you're still going to get a taste of it, eventually.
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Chaol wrote about this:

9/19/2012
Whatever you miss you will experience at an other time.

Whatever you don't choose will choose you later, in some way.
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Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking. (Page 159)
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THANK YOU! Found this in the same post:


"That is the only battle that will ever be, and is not really a battle at all.

If you don't wish to see everything else as you you have all of eternity to redecide.

1, 5, a thousand, or a billion years... it does not really matter.

Eventually you will know that you can only perceive of what is you.

And that is the only purpose of anything that exists. To point the finger back at you long enough for you to see it."




I'm glad to finally see Chaol's perception on things.....
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I'm glad you went to the link and read the rest of that post. It is all very educational!

I am reading some old print-outs this morning, and came across some further points that seem to respond to questions you've asked lately, U3.

The symbol does not change. An interpretation of the symbol's relationship with other symbols changes.

Really, there is no symbol. None of these symbols (from which you perceive the relationships) actually exist. A symbol only has value in relation to other symbols. So we're not perceiving of the symbol itself but the relationships between them. (What I call the geometry of relationships.)

Really, there is no need to concern yourself with anyone else in the sense that you see a separation. (This is why, oftentimes, when we help someone else it evolves that our help makes them worse off. Because at the time, in these cases, we had not realized the separation between us and them is an illusion. The less you realize that you and an other person is the same thing the more conflict you would experience.)

Also, "logical right now" and "logical" are a bit different. This one is a bit tricky because we tend to think we know what would logically come next.

You'll notice that I normally append 'all things considered' when I mention 'the next logical step'. Because a more total perspective must be considered.

So something may happen to you that does not make sense. We can say that this is completely logical, all things (in your perspective) considered, but perhaps not logical for a few values in your perspective.

There is different kind of logic, of course. Each perspective is a logic.

It's not about goals at all. It is only about relationships. So it is possible that your relationships with money [I'm not sure if this is how you defined 'income', though] had changed. As your relationships change so would your reality.
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And here is the post for the Expanded Perception Exercise. Good stuff!

Though we are only at the beginning of what you may call the 2nd level of Ecsys, what we can do is apply what we have learned in new ways.

I believe you can use the following exercise for a more advanced illustration of Ecsys.
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