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Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

 
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Why did you use the movie Avatar appearance as visual bodies for your website?

It makes it less authentic - blurrs the lines of believability lacking it's own unique interpretation when it's a copy of an already done movie.

Or are you implying that these gods depicted on your page look like the movie avatar b/c the director Cameron was there and copied the visual?

Otherwise I can't see a purpose in it.
Did you have a purpose in it?
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Hi. Thanks for your comments. They're quite helpful.

The idea was to use elements of this world that people on the web were already familiar with. So not only using easy-to-understand words and phrases* but also graphical concepts that can be related to.

As has been noted on the website, the depictions have nothing to do with Ecsys.

But since our dream+world has a somewhat-blue hue I thought that such images would serve multiple purposes. However, it may be a good idea to not use them for the website until such time that the purpose of them is more obvious.

It's actually not a copy of Avatar but pretty close. Though each depiction is specific to Ecsys, I can see how it could distract from the central message of Ecsys without it being obvious why they appear to look the way they do.

*Although. Sometimes. I. Confuse. EvenMyself.
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I did not know Chaol's world has a blue hue. This is very interesting to me because I have been attracted to blue for quite a while. I see it a lot in inner space.

I wonder if Chaol will build another website when he gets back?
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My educated guesses are as follows:

* Over the next 5 seconds what I perceive will be at least 90% the same as what I perceive at t=0. About 10% of the elements I perceive may change, and those that can may appear completely random to me. Ex: I'm sitting near a phone, 2 actually, either could ring within the next 5 seconds.

* A glass the falls to the floor and shatters will follow the pattern close to what I've observed before. Roughly the pieces will spread out evenly, in a circular distribution, but some may shoot off in what appear to be random directions and length. The distributions of piece sizes would probably follow a bell curve type distribution but with completely random spatial distribution (regarding side by side size comparisons).

Thanks.
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Hi.

There's a couple of ways to look at this:

1) [As external events] The conditions that will exist in the next 5 seconds are highly relative to the conditions of the present. And, the paths of the broken pieces are their "paths of least resistance" considering all factors.

2) [As internal events, or perception] The conditions that will exist in the next 5 seconds are highly relative to the conditions of the present. And, the paths of the broken pieces are their "paths of least resistance" considering all factors.

For #1 you need a pretty big computer to calculate the paths and future possibilities. You don't see that the source of the motion is you so you need to make complex that which isn't really there (motion).

For #2 you need only yourself. The glass does not shatter in 3 dimensions, only 1. The way something will move in future is inherent in how it is moving now. (It is the same thing.) In order to predict the future we measure only the present perspective rather than future probabilities.

Randomness does not actually exist. Every event and thing has cause/effect, except one did not come before the other. In one sense the shattering glass is caused by it slipping from a hand. In another sense the hand 'remembers' the glass slipping because of the way the glass is positioned on the floor. In another sense the shattering glass is 'caused' by a slip of the tongue.

Prediction looks for cause-effect probabilities when it does not exist.

What we should predict, instead, is perception.

When we look at the price of a stock we can ask either "where is it going?" or "what is it?"

I realize this doesn't help much. But I hope you get the idea. I cannot provide a mathematical model of stock prediction. I can only teach you how to control the movement of stocks through your perspective. The former is more exciting, of course.
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Verrrrrry interesting, esp. thinking about some of the things Chaol has done that I know of.
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This past Wednesday, I was in a terrible mood. Nothing was going right for me. I finally gave up, went into my room and locked the door, just so I would not bite off anybody's head. I fumed for the rest of the day about three things that I wanted.

The next day, Thursday, I started off kind of cranky, but then each of the three things over which my panties were so twisted the day before, fell out of the sky and into my lap.

I was so stunned that all I could do was stand there and stare in astonishment.

Here it is, two days later, and I am still dazed with wonder at how those things were delivered so effortlessly. In fact, I got more than what I actually wanted.

No genius. No neuronicons. Not even an expectation (well, other than the brute force which I intended to exert, but ended up not having to use). I did not even SAY anything to anybody about my wishes. They simply appeared.

I don't want to have to get angry enough to burn down cities in order to get a few little things, so I am still a bit mystified as to what I did right.
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I think you said it.....you INTENDED brute force. You had strong intention. I remember Chaol telling us to will something. (don't remember the context)

We already use a Genius, we just don't exactly know how yet.
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This past Wednesday, I was in a terrible mood. Nothing was going right for me. I finally gave up, went into my room and locked the door, just so I would not bite off anybody's head. I fumed for the rest of the day about three things that I wanted.

The next day, Thursday, I started off kind of cranky, but then each of the three things over which my panties were so twisted the day before, fell out of the sky and into my lap.

I was so stunned that all I could do was stand there and stare in astonishment.

Here it is, two days later, and I am still dazed with wonder at how those things were delivered so effortlessly. In fact, I got more than what I actually wanted.

No genius. No neuronicons. Not even an expectation (well, other than the brute force which I intended to exert, but ended up not having to use). I did not even SAY anything to anybody about my wishes. They simply appeared.

I don't want to have to get angry enough to burn down cities in order to get a few little things, so I am still a bit mystified as to what I did right.
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This is something that annoys the heck out of me. It always works for me. When I get so *angry* about everything going wrong, that's when I get exactly what I want. It has to be genuine though. I feel like it's something to do with that raw feeling - because it really isn't so different from that "bliss" feeling, if you know what I mean? It's like I'm not blocking it any more and the "energy" underneath doesn't have a label, it's the same as the "bliss" feeling, it's just easier not to contain it.

Anger seems easier to use, and I don't know why that is as I think of myself as a "love and light" kind of girl...
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Maybe Chaol uses this stargate?

[link to www.traveltoenlightenment.com]

Aramu Muru... the Ancient Stargate?

Not many people heard about Aramu Muru, one of the World's most unique creations, a wall-like stone construction in eastern Peru.

It resembles a gate, but its sheer size stuns even the researchers. Nobody has any idea about who built it and what its purpose was.

The doorway, a squarish stone cut-out in a flat, cliff outcropping, is surrounded by mystery. Hidden in a land full of Inca ceremonial chulpas and other rock-carved temples, the doorway is purported to be a passageway to another dimension. Locals have claimed that people have dissappeared and reappeared near the door. Many refuse to get close to the door claiming it to be a portal for the ancient gods. Some have noted strange, tall men accompanied by glowing balls of lights and walking through the doorway.

The huge monumental structure is not an Inca creation, but a much older one, built by a pre-Inca civilization.

Is it possible that stargates really exist? Could this be a dimensional gateway or just an interesting ancient carving in a megalithic rock?

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This past Wednesday, I was in a terrible mood. Nothing was going right for me. I finally gave up, went into my room and locked the door, just so I would not bite off anybody's head. I fumed for the rest of the day about three things that I wanted.

The next day, Thursday, I started off kind of cranky, but then each of the three things over which my panties were so twisted the day before, fell out of the sky and into my lap.

I was so stunned that all I could do was stand there and stare in astonishment.

Here it is, two days later, and I am still dazed with wonder at how those things were delivered so effortlessly. In fact, I got more than what I actually wanted.

No genius. No neuronicons. Not even an expectation (well, other than the brute force which I intended to exert, but ended up not having to use). I did not even SAY anything to anybody about my wishes. They simply appeared.

I don't want to have to get angry enough to burn down cities in order to get a few little things, so I am still a bit mystified as to what I did right.
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This is something that annoys the heck out of me. It always works for me. When I get so *angry* about everything going wrong, that's when I get exactly what I want. It has to be genuine though. I feel like it's something to do with that raw feeling - because it really isn't so different from that "bliss" feeling, if you know what I mean? It's like I'm not blocking it any more and the "energy" underneath doesn't have a label, it's the same as the "bliss" feeling, it's just easier not to contain it.

Anger seems easier to use, and I don't know why that is as I think of myself as a "love and light" kind of girl...
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Come to think of it, yesterday, I had the house to myself for a few hours. I got to thinking how my emotions always to be on an even keel........so I screamed. Last night and today, a couple of things fell into my lap.

But, this explanation seems so linear...cause and effect. I dunno!
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/snips/

Chaol, a question:

I understand the concept of energy conservation in the sense that we will perceive that which takes the least amount of energy, and I read you stating that something we desire to perceive might be expressed in an other way from the particular form that we 'want' to perceive [whatever thing] we intend with, say, a Genius Model--such that, for example my new job might be expressed in an entirely different way than how I would normally perceive (or intend) for that new job to be expressed and perceived in my current perspective.

This leads me to think that we are at the mercy, so to speak, of this 'Law of Energy Conservation' and that we are as likely not to get the desired perspective (thing) as we are to get it despite our best efforts via Genius Model Creation.

How can we best accomplish a desired (as we see it in our conscious mind's eye) perspective in lieu of this? Or perhaps a better way to state this is how can we position ourselves to perceive exactly what we envision?

Scenario: Say that my new job has already been delivered to my perspective (and I know that it's there/here now, but not the way I want or recognize) in the form of some other thing...am I just spinning my wheels by continuing with the current Genius Models, or do I need to keep adding new Models until I perceive that my initial, desired intent has been satisfied?

Thanks in advance for your continued help.
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I believe you know the answer to this all ready.

Let's say that the Genius brings you closer to what you want but not in the way that you want it 'yet'.

You may think that if you wanted a box of cookies and you got a picture of a box of cookies, instead, that the Genius is not working for you and you are at the mercy of the most efficient cookie concept.

The picture of the cookie is a feature of the map and is not intended as the final destination. You are not at the mercy of this because it is you who is making it relative.

It is bringing you closer to your desired perspective by illustrating the path to the perspective in real time.

Some of us give up at the picture of the cookie and try to eat it, to no avail.

But as a real-time perspective map (journey) it works fine.

You can use the old model once you get the photocookie but really it won't be as effective as making a new model with the 'new' value of the photocookie in mind.

(That is to say, the new model you create is influenced by the result of the old model... thus illustrating the path.)

I would recommend making as many sequential models as you can for a particular desired perspective until it becomes second nature. Until it becomes a mental process.

But one model per desired perspective until you see the desired perspective symbolized in your current perspective. So it's like turning the map around to get your bearings as you continue a long the path.
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Very cool! And I've got some work to do!!!!!

Thank you very much, Chaol and XWon!

hf
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OK, I see now I need to make 2 new Genius plans, even though I got the opposite results.....they are still results. I just need to help guide the perspective in better.
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(in other news: I saw an ad for the dream car of mine by the same orginal seller.
Apparently he still has it and has not sold it yet...)
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where's Chaol? ;-;
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where's Chaol? ;-;
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(warning: programming mumbo jumbo ahead)

I'm learning myself some programmatic answering, so that I don't have too think to hard about answering certain questions. So there are certain rules I made...

One of them is:
if(question.contains("where")) { answer = "somewhere else"; };

This allows me to answer in a fraction of a second!

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One of the other routines forces the asker of the question to think first some more.

I don't like being asked to chose from more than one option, but rather had that people asked me if I am ok with the option they prefer...

And so we get:

if (question.contains("or")) { answer="yes"; }

This one drives my wife nuts! My son likes it a lot though...
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(in other news: I saw an ad for the dream car of mine by the same orginal seller.
Apparently he still has it and has not sold it yet...)
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He, he! Sounds to me that it's still yours!!! rockon
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where's Chaol? ;-;
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Didn't you know..he's right here! sigh

Good question! Seems like he's been gone forever.
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That is a witty way to handle questions, Tuuuuur. Thanks for the advice.

I get asked rhetorical questions that don't make any sense, and so I can't respond. It is like I will say, "The sky is very blue today", and someone will ask me, "So, you don't think that aliens wear hats?"

How would you handle questions that don't make any sense?
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where's Chaol? ;-;
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Chaol has asked very plainly, "If I am you, then what am I?"
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...the obvious question knocks on the door.

Where is your dream self right now?
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Chaol has told us a couple times that he only exists on this forum, because that is the only way that he needs to exist.

When he said that he might be different when he returns, he may not have necessarily meant that his personality will be different. It could mean that he will "exist" differently in our perspectives.
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That is a witty way to handle questions, Tuuuuur. Thanks for the advice.

I get asked rhetorical questions that don't make any sense, and so I can't respond. It is like I will say, "The sky is very blue today", and someone will ask me, "So, you don't think that aliens wear hats?"

How would you handle questions that don't make any sense?
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Ah, but that is a negative question, which always is nice, because if you answer 'yes', the person that asked the question can't know for sure if it is 'yes, I do believe aliens wear hats', or 'yes, I don't believe aliens wear hats'.
So I answer those with a very ambigue 'yes'!

Mostly I answer rhetorical questions with equally illogical phrases that don't answer anything, but sound as if they do.

There is a stupid absurd childish joke in Holland that goes like this:
Q: why does a rabbit?
A: because he behind a tree.

That answer is what I use a lot... In my previous workplace my colleagues got so used to it they started saying it themselves.
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That is a witty way to handle questions, Tuuuuur. Thanks for the advice.

I get asked rhetorical questions that don't make any sense, and so I can't respond. It is like I will say, "The sky is very blue today", and someone will ask me, "So, you don't think that aliens wear hats?"

How would you handle questions that don't make any sense?
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Ah, but that is a negative question, which always is nice, because if you answer 'yes', the person that asked the question can't know for sure if it is 'yes, I do believe aliens wear hats', or 'yes, I don't believe aliens wear hats'.
So I answer those with a very ambigue 'yes'!

Mostly I answer rhetorical questions with equally illogical phrases that don't answer anything, but sound as if they do.

There is a stupid absurd childish joke in Holland that goes like this:
Q: why does a rabbit?
A: because he behind a tree.

That answer is what I use a lot... In my previous workplace my colleagues got so used to it they started saying it themselves.
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Oh, Tuuuuur! How funny!

"Yes, because he behind a tree."

Such a simple solution! I'm going to use it. Thank you.
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where's Chaol? ;-;
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because he behind a tree
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Does the number 9 have any particular relevance to you ?

deep purple ocean a rose;n hue
wisdom of numbers , words song and rhyme
colours , dance eternal time .
coded inscription like spiral stars ,
knowledge of history stored within
building the future from were we have been
a silent watcher, who's always been there


when you sleep and your heart, is free to fly ,
when you see with the hearts eye
when you sit atop of that crest of time
heart in front eyes behind
a moment to see parallel lives
tomorrow you see what you saw last night
as your heart took you on that flight hf
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a force that is within you and i
as like an ocean and sea
a timeless eternity
a parallel universe thats known inside
a force from which no one can hide
a unity of consciousness,
a light thats brings together all
light that twists and turns
not always traveling straight
the stairs from the past opening tomorrows gates
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xonal transport and in maintaining the organization of the cytoskeleton. ..... septate-like junctions (purple), cytoskeletal linkers (light blue), micro- tubules ( green) ... molecules composed of antiparallel a and b chains that laterally associate to form ... supramolecular organization of these elements at the node of Ranvier will ...



purple ,blue and green ,chains
linking life together
molecules in form
organisation of life
a lateral fence linking holding together
a pale blue light blue
and a skeleton is born
a single node
a bud of life
a stairway of information
not consciousness but knowledge
a key in numbers
is there if you see
rivers that run through you and me
so when you feel
that ocean surge
as you lay your head to rest
and a wave of sleep covers
the ocean tides from were you came
is the calling of your brothers
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From the website:

[link to web.archive.org]

"Perception is simply what we experience when two or more things relate. We perceive this "geometry" of relationships and it is really all we ever knew."


I have 2 questions.......

1)What "things" that relate?


2) He says we perceive geometry.....and THINK we perceive the rest. Has anyone here perceived the geometry only?

I've perceived puzzle pieces of a person........made of neuronicons....but I have not perceived this.....

[link to web.archive.org]
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Just from reading on this thread, changing perspective is quite easy. Example: while sitting in front of a computer screen, that has real time data of a stock I'm trading, I can put a cup of hot chocolate next to it. The sight, smell and temperature of the chocolate all change the environment - and thus my perspective. Easy.

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Not so much as change as reflect. There is no cause-effect in the usual sense.

The relationship of the hot chocolate being next to the monitor (among other things) is reflected in other parts of the perception, such as the movement of stocks.

Mapping what a change in relationships between elements in my perspective will do to another element I'm trying to "control" in a desired way? Hard.
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How are some people able to 'predict' the future when the future does not actually exist?

They perceive 'future' values in the present.

The map is difficult to see when you think of things are cause-effect. It is hard to think of what causes something else to happen because there is no cause.

There is a single perception and more of a flat perspective. When you think of it as a single perception rather than cause-effect then the map becomes much easier.

The question then becomes, "What am I perceiving" instead of "How did this happen" or "What will happen?"
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i was thinking for a relationship to exist there must exist two of something

perception = information

what does the information (perception) travel/transmit through between the two

how does it get from one to the other ?
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There only seems to be two of something. This illusion is enough to form the relationship.

In that sense, you could say that perception is information about the relationships.

Between two things it transmits through nothing because you're really only perceiving one thing.

I guess you could imagine a geometrical shape with an infinite number of sides. Two sides form a specific relationship (and perspective), but nothing transmits the data because it is already there. In effect, there is no data.
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Double Ha!^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I can't believe I ask a question and then start reading where I left off and there's the answer. Guess I should read first!!!!!!!!!!
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im confused, when using drugs or even alcohol it will alter the mindstate thus create a false fiction.
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Using drugs or alcohol (or anything else) influences your perspective.

It's all "false fiction" regardless of what you take, if anything. You're never not taking something.

The question is more, "how relative is the perspective of the alcohol to my current perspective?"

The perspective of clean water is quite relative to your perspective. When you drink it you are influenced by it, but it's so close to your own perspective that you don't realize anything is happening.

The perspective of an alcohol is not relative to your perspective (unless its perspective has consumed you). When you drink it you are influenced by it, and you realize the difference because it is so different.


in reality this means false perception of very real things.please explain.
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How real are those things?

oh ye example. if i should drink and drive. my perception would tell me, im focused dont make mistakes. But the science tells me when doing beer,it will cost more time to counter-react. when things are based on perception, and perception alone your society is flawed. but do explain, im curious. R
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Perception is not the same as opinion or belief.


If you believe that you will be focused while driving after drinking that wouldn't be your perception. That's more of your thinking for the moment.
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Wow! I thought our perceptions are made up of our beliefs.
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Chaol

does my symbol drawn on a post it note in pencil constitute a symbol?

Thank you
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Hi.

Not really.

A symbol is a representation, not just something that can be drawn. The most effective symbols are those which you make. A drawing could be effective, but it would then be a bit difficult to allow this symbol to interact* with your physical environment.

Look around you. You are surrounded by symbols. In fact, the only things you can perceive are symbols (representations).

*An example would be to take a banana, cut the top, and wrap speaker wire around it. You could allow it to interact with your physical environment by carrying it around in your bag and placing it down whenever you sit. The Genius sounds crazy, indeed, but when done properly it works.
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I threw my symbols out in their spaces today. Will the one symbol (for each Genius) work for a while? I went all over town, lol! I can't go all over town every day. gaah
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Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.
John Titor. World Lines/ Multiverse = Perspectives. Point taken?

John: " UFO's? My guess it they are just very advanced distortion units/dimension travelers." = Chaol?

Thoughts?
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I don't know anything about John Titor but not much of it makes any sense. Maybe it's how some people feel when they read what I write ;)

There is actually but one perspective, but for the sake of illustration I may say that your perspective is different from your friend's, for example.

A "world line" seems more like another string of possibilities or probable worlds.

Perspective is more like a family of perceptions in the "here and now".

"Advanced distortion units" sounds like non-sense but I guess I would need to know what he's talking about.

Most 'UFO's that I've ever heard of are from Earth, not an other dimension outside of Earth. Many aren't even traveling but just going about their business.
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Verrrrry interesting. ^^^^
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Hi, all.

Just a note...

Apps will continue to be released when I am gone. I will still be 'here' in a sense. All questions will be answered, but not in the usual way during this time.

3 are in production. The first (the game) is nearly done. The next is the Magic Mirror of Chaos, then comes the Ec translation tool.

2013 is approaching, but you have much more time than you think. Time is becoming more abstract, along with the world in which it operates.

"2012" is just a primer.

The problem with the future is that we can't see how things are done. It is 'different' from how we currently do things.
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Nice!!
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